The Syndicate

Long Con wrote:

Epignosis wrote:Also, Mafia tried to Night kill me THREE times that game.

Sounds like my Civvie wins. Great game, Epig, nice checks and balances on the info-to-baddie-deception ratio. I'm looking forward to hosting Arkham Mafia with you!

So, Llama... on Night 3 (?) Elohcin was targeted by BR (Delores) and that made her 'have a threesome' in her Jessica Rabbit temp BTSC. Llama and I were her choices.

I had to roleclaim, so I chose Eddie Valiant, because I had just found out that Bass was a baddie due to his fingersplints vote, so I pretended that I tacked him and he targeted juliets, the NK victim. Solid, right? Llama claimed Marvin Acme, and his reveal of the secrets made a lot of sense with the character, who was dead all movie, as I recall, with his Will being the Macguffin to drive the plot.

Not too long after I told them about Bass, two things happened. First blindfaeth (a little) and Canucklehead (a LOT) came out after Bass, with some solid evidence that he was a baddie. Next, Bass pulled his little phony-slip against me.

What am I supposed to think? It seemed clear that Llama was a baddie, and had told his team that I am obviously the Judge, so they mobilized to take me out. I also heavily suspected Canuck as a teammate, because she was the vehicle that got it going. If the baddies KNEW that I had outed Bass, then a good move would be to send one of their own to take him down themselves, for supreme distancing. Most of the thread didn't understand how the baddies could know who I was, and I couldn't reveal it - even though it could easily seem to Elohcin that the baddies were framing Eddie Valiant, instead of The Judge.

Hilarious now that I explained to MP07 that there's things he could not know that would lead to Bass wanting to set me up... little did I know the truth. I think I must have confused MP a little with what I was saying, since he knew the actual truth: the baddies had roleblocked me Night 1, and there had been no vote-forcing, so they had me pegged as Judge Doom from the get-go.

Ironically, I actually chose to not use my power on Night 1 because of Eddie Valiant's tracking. I figured I didn't need to manipulate the lynch so early, so why risk getting tracked? Only during Day 2 did I think about my role more, and realize that it meant I could pinpoint the baddies and try to take them out at my leisure while killing Civs every other night. If the baddies had roleblocked ANYONE else that night, then they would have assumed that person was Judge Doom, and my game would have been drastically different.

I DID want revenge for Bass' setup move, and I was sure that Llama was to blame, so I did what I could to get him lynched. Sorry, sir! Now that you see my perspective on it, I'm sure you understand.

I sent in Elohcin for my kill on Night 4, because she was going to pull BR in next... I had told her that I tracked BR night 1 and she didn't target, but it was too much of a risk to let her BTSC with BR and find out I was lying. Eloh changed to fingersplints instead of BR, so I sent in Sophie's name later as an updated kill, but Zomba roleblocked me anyway. I REALLY didn't want to kill Elohcin though, because she was so nice, but I'm glad that it was my choice to not kill her rather than the roleblock doing it for me. Little did I know that splints was the real Eddie Valiant. I thought Splints just talked some sense into Eloh about me and Bass and lying, now I see that it was much more dire.

So wow... is this right?? Sophie tried to target me - to kill me as a baddie - on Night 4. She would have died as a result, but she was roleblocked, saving her life. The same night, I tried to kill HER, and I was roleblocked, saving her life! HOW DOES THAT HAPPEN??? That's, like, so awesome.

Zomberella12 wrote:

thellama73 wrote:

Golden wrote:RIP sophie!!! I'm sorry you didn't win, clearly you deserved to.

Nope. Only I deserve to win.

If you deserve to win then I deserve to win.

P.S. I know who ALL the baddies are - dead and alive

Golden wrote:RIP sophie!!! I'm sorry you didn't win, clearly you deserved to.

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Zomberella12 wrote:Llama! I'm glad you're finally dead! All of my wildest dreams have come true!

I love you too, Zomba.

Lena Hyena wrote: Except, right now, I think rabbit is right that lynching llama will probably end the game, or at least nab us a weasel, and that's what matters to me for now.

Sophie wrote:And i understand how rabbit would be frustrated if someone not playing would came and say he is a baddie. I know I would feel frustrated too

blindfaeth wrote:I'm tempted to crusade your lynch just to get rid of all the negativity, bad or not.

rabbit8 wrote: No, I agree with LC who knew what votes he caused to be made. Pay attention at least. If you're going to be an idiot about it I can't engage with you.

Lena Hyena wrote:I was just posting my thoughts. I was not expecting all out war or attack. Apologies, I'm not going to engage in a spitting match.

My view is very simple. Someone framed Roger Rabbit. I do not believe it was llama. I believe Zombie's posts could hold the key. If you want to catch baddies, then engage with me instead of trying to discredit me.

blindfaeth wrote:Well yesterday when I reread llama's posts I do recall that they seemed oddly empty of referencing people in general. I could be wrong, but it seemed like he hadn't mentioned a whole slew of people by name at all. Or if he did, very little. There are a couple who he consistently would talk about, Sophie and Zomba, talking to splints, etc. IDK whether that's incriminating, just something I wanted to point out.

Well maybe we all put our top three suspects and we go with who overlaps the most? I'm not sure how to resolve. I think its between rabbit, llama and bea.

fingersplints wrote:And you are on your own now llama. I'm done defending you

blindfaeth wrote:So, I hate to even mention this, but I want to consider all options. How does everyone feel about Fs? I think she feels civ all game to me. Last night as I was trying to fall asleep I was thinking about the game though, and it struck me that we now know bass and his pm slip were in fact faked, because they weren't on the same team. Fs was the one who was grilling bass, and his game Pm was in response to feeling heat from her. "I can't believe how much heat I'm getting for this vote", something like that he said. Is it possible she and bass preplanned the whole exchange? This is the only thing that gives me pause. I still think rabbit is the most likely personally but I'm trying very hard to keep an open pen mind.

Canucklehead wrote:I'm reading through your posts right now, llama, and you're right. You built two big cases against Zombra and Sophie, and have stuck to those suspicions all game. You have given reasons. I retract that statement.


I guess where my concern with you comes in, then, is why you insisted on continuing with those votes even on days where we had obvious baddies to lynch? You voted zomb on Bass day, and Sophie on Ninja day (I know you maintain doubts about ninja's baddiness.....but instead of arguing against her being bad, you just voted early and said practically nothing that day). I get that zomb and sophie are your suspects and you've been consistent, but even if you were right about both of them, there were still always other baddies that needed lynching, why insist on going against the crowd? I know you hate hive minds...but surely you could see the benefit in voting Bass, at least?? I just don't get it. These two votes are the most suspicious ones to me.They obviously couldn't both be forced Judge votes (because of double targetting), but I am worried that one of them might be.

Canucklehead wrote:

thellama73 wrote:

rabbit8 wrote:

fingersplints wrote:I don't buy it. when do you think LC supposedly forced llama's vote? His votes have been very consistant this whole game

I don't know, the ones that the judge who knew he was dying specifically laid out for us.

There was no reason for him to pick Lama over every other player who he had coming at him. He could have laid into me. I have been his biggest naysayer all game. But he chose Lama. Why would he do that? Because he knows what votes he made the baddies cast all game.

Going after someone who is a baddie all games proves nothing. I've done the same thing when bad. So that argument means little to me.

Why do you say these things as if they are fact? My vote has never been forced. I think that's obvious from my voting record. Why are people buying this line of bologna?

Can someone please give actual evidence for why I might be bad instead of just assuming my vote was forced? Why not assume rabbit's vote was forced, or MP's, or Sophie's? I genuinely don't understand where this suspicion is coming from.

Can you give actual reasons for your votes, instead of just smirking and saying "I always have reasons"?

rabbit8 wrote:

fingersplints wrote:I don't buy it. when do you think LC supposedly forced llama's vote? His votes have been very consistant this whole game

I don't know, the ones that the judge who knew he was dying specifically laid out for us.

There was no reason for him to pick Lama over every other player who he had coming at him. He could have laid into me. I have been his biggest naysayer all game. But he chose Lama. Why would he do that? Because he knows what votes he made the baddies cast all game.

Going after someone who is a baddie all games proves nothing. I've done the same thing when bad. So that argument means little to me.

Sophie wrote:

Black Rock wrote:

blindfaeth wrote:

Black Rock wrote:Llama, what do you think of Rabbit8? He seemed to come after LC. Could it be when he hadn't gotten LC lynched yet that he sicked his team on him?

What I want to know is, why did the baddies want the judge dead so bad that they made bass fake a slipped PM? How did it benefit them? We already learned from Epi they don't inherit the kill.

I think they didn't want the Judge to kill them and the Judge could know who they were because he could force their vote. Maybe what we should look into is odd votes. Llama does fit that description.

Oh wait wait this is vwry interesting. I went to page 1 to see this, somehow i missed the part that judge could direct a TOON PATROL vote each night. How wasnt this brought up before??
Ive accused of llama vote for me being directed at one point cause it didnt make srnse (he denied it of course cause it would make him baddir if he admited it) but i thought at the time that vote can be directed to anyone, not just toon patrol members. Llama did vote for me lonely the lynch were everyone voted bass, that vote was more than weird. I wanna go check if aces, ninju and zomba voted solo or not the obvious suspect in other lynches, this is interesying to say the least

Sorry for typos im on phone

Sophie wrote:

thellama73 wrote:

Sophie wrote: Zomba has been gunning for llama and the other way around for a while, do u think this is geniune or could have been distancing.

Long Con accused me of distancing from Zomba, and he turned out bad. Stop parroting baddie talking points, Sophie.

So you are saying im teammate with zomba AND lc (a lone serial killer) cause im seeing things in you they already seen?

About the distancing thing, zomba also mentioned me too, so im not assuring anything, just asking bf what he thought of that

blindfaeth wrote:

thellama73 wrote:

Black Rock wrote:Llama, what do you think of Rabbit8? He seemed to come after LC. Could it be when he hadn't gotten LC lynched yet that he sicked his team on him?

I have been suspicious of him all game, but the thing that gives me pause is that Zombrella was the second vote for Rabbit on Day 2, and he was almost lynched. I'm not sure the weasels would have taken that risk.

blindfaeth wrote: Lol this seems vaguely familiar to a previous conversation you had earlier this game :P

When people stop making the same accusations, I will stop giving the same reply. :P

That is a good point. Though, it's also the day the lynch switched to golden out of nowhere. If the baddies were already planning to switch the lynch, what harm could her vote have done?

Linki

Sophie wrote: Zomba has been gunning for llama and the other way around for a while, do u think this is geniune or could have been distancing.

Black Rock wrote:Llama, what do you think of Rabbit8? He seemed to come after LC. Could it be when he hadn't gotten LC lynched yet that he sicked his team on him?

blindfaeth wrote: Lol this seems vaguely familiar to a previous conversation you had earlier this game :P

Sophie wrote:

thellama73 wrote:

Sophie wrote:So, why is no one taking me off the list now?
When mp was unsure about my playstyle i told him to ask people who have played with me if i seemed civvie to them. So far blindfaeth, rabbit, bea and fingersplints (the people who have played with me before) all said im civvie to them. So i will like to know why im on anyones list, please, cause just thrpwing my name outhere wont do any good.

Now we know who the baddies were (aces, bass, niju, zomba) it shouldnt be too difficult to determine the last one

Again, how do we know Nijuu was a baddie? Oh how I hate assumptions.

This makes me want to vote for you.

Im as sure as one can be that niju was a baddie. If you want to vote for me for it, do it, llama. You already did it once, also for no reason, so

Sophie wrote:So, why is no one taking me off the list now?
When mp was unsure about my playstyle i told him to ask people who have played with me if i seemed civvie to them. So far blindfaeth, rabbit, bea and fingersplints (the people who have played with me before) all said im civvie to them. So i will like to know why im on anyones list, please, cause just thrpwing my name outhere wont do any good.

Now we know who the baddies were (aces, bass, niju, zomba) it shouldnt be too difficult to determine the last one

Sophie wrote:Yay! Great result! Only one baddie left


I agree with bf we should rezz golden

MovingPictures07 wrote:I'm all for resurrecting Golden.

thellama73 wrote:I have examined the voting record and have concluded that the most likely remaining weasels are, in order:
1. MovingPictures07
2. Canucklehead
3. Sophie

Zomba's lone vote for MP on Day 4 stands out to me as particularly fishy.

Why do you think I'm most likely bad?

Also, I'm in agreement with others that there is probably only 1 weasel left.

Epignosis wrote:Just remember that all dead posts still have to be "off topic."

Black Rock wrote:

thellama73 wrote:I have examined the voting record and have concluded that the most likely remaining weasels are, in order:
1. MovingPictures07
2. Canucklehead
3. Sophie

Zomba's lone vote for MP on Day 4 stands out to me as particularly fishy.

She was likely a victim of Doom.

I disagree with this list. I think MP and Canuck are both civvies.

S~V~S wrote:Sure it does. Myanmar, for instance, is worse than Canada. But perhaps this is a discussion for another thread

S~V~S wrote:Which One?

rabbit8 wrote:

thellama73 wrote:7 missing votes with 45 minutes to go. I predict a flood of thoughtless "No time, voting LC" posts soon.

And? When he flips Judge and we lynch you next will the same types of votes bother you?
Getting rid of a kill should be first priority, IMO.

LC