The Syndicate

S~V~S wrote:This is a good point this has to mean SOMETHING for game purposes, or Golden would not have done it. Kind of like why I think Cain is not just another civvie as LC would have us believe; why havea super secret role thatis just another civvie? Golden has put an insane amount of thought (and I do mean insane, Golden, you need help) into this game. Those locations mean something. Canon people, any ideas?

There's a chance the Galactica will be destroyed in a Cylon attack. I'm not sure there's any more significance regarding location than that.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:I called DFaraday / Dex a GTH bad read, so I'll do an ISO and see why I'm such a hater.

Clearly, this can only have been based on your impression of DFaraday.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:This guy literally just joined the game and he already has a strong enough opinion about LoRab to say this.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:This guy literally just joined the game and he's ready to participate in a GTH reads exercise.

But this is a good thing, yeah? I could have coasted for a while on the typical (and understandable) "I'm just trying to catch up" posts that replacement players are prone to post, particularly in this avalanche of a game. I was ready to hit the ground running and did so. Otherwise this would be a rather dull ISO.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:First mention of suspects beyond just Long Con (not including the GTH bad reads). Dex, is there reasoning behind your inclusion of these names beyond just the cylon claim controversy?

While I find the Unclaimers to be inherently suspicious, particularly those with weak reasons, I am not relying on solely on this for my reads. That particular post which you quote, however, was just the list LC+Undeclared, on where I was inclined to place my vote today.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:Popular names to refer to as suspects. The total consensus on these names in itself is suspicious to me, and Dex is a part of that.

If it was a total consensus, then everybody would be "part of that". But these are all undeclared players whom I had already said I was willing to vote for. Wilgy's name had already come up a few times, so I listed him first in an attempt to foster more civ coordination. In the end, however, I decided to try and get a muntiny going.

Long Con wrote:What's the latest tally... did DrWilgy claim yet?

No. The Sinister Six are Zebra, Glorfindel, Vomp, Obscure, Rico, and Wilgy.

Polo wrote:I hope there's no such thing as a Resurrection Hub.

So say we all.

Matt wrote:The theory goes...

A bad cylon who sends in a sortie and takes down a rezz ship, gets a bittersweet "reward" by killing a nugget.

Sounds far-fetched. As it so happens, I'm the opposite if a bad cylon.

Matt wrote:Hi! What do you think of my theory on you?

That Jules died because I sent that sortie? I sent other sorties without anyone dying.

Epignosis wrote:I'd be down with lynching DFaraday at this point.

Me too, man. Mos def.

I do hope Madam President repeals the Amnesty law now. It would be fun lynching our way through that list of non-declarers. I'd like to hear what they had to say for themselves then.

Dammit, RIP Juliets. What a sucky way to go, just when we were wrapping up, too.

I guess I'm going to have to vote now. It kind of sucks because I have no sense of any concerted civ effort. But if I'm awake now, I doubt I'll be awake at seven in the morning when Cain can jump the fleet, and I want my vote to count whether or not she does.

I'd like to vote LC, because at this moment I think the biggest obstacle to a civ victory is Cain's Martial Law, and I believe LC is Cain. But there doesn't appear to be enough support just now for a mutiny.

I'd like to vote sig, but he declared today, and we'd just have to lynch him a second time, and I think we can ill afford to take two lynches to eliminate anybody, particularly while Martial Law is in effect.

I'd like to vote Zeebs, but she's not on the poll today. She's also one of the Suspicious Seven, and might need lynching twice.

I'd go along with voting Wilgy, Glorfindel, Rico, or Sok, three of which have received a vote, but none about which a consensus has formed. Additionally, they are all members of the Suspicious Seven, and so could declare to be cylons, and if they are, which I think quite possible, we're back to needing to lynch them twice.

So it's mutiny for me. I vote Long Con.

Half-way point for the DAY I mean. Derp.

I also want to remind people that 10:03 EST marks the half-way point for this night, and after that time Admiral Cain can jump the fleet. If she does, any votes cast after the jump won't count. So you can bet that if LC likes how the votes stand at that point, he'll jump us. Assuming LC is Cain. And I do.

I intend to cast my vote before then, but, as that is 7:30 on a Saturday morning for me, we'll see.

Let us all sortie sector C6 together. According to my notes, only sector F1 remains.

@S~V~S or anyone else, the next time slot is 8:07 AM EST if you want to complete this task.

bea wrote:
Dex wrote:
bea wrote:I'm not sure how a sig vote is wasted?
If we vote to lynch him today and he's a cylon, he doesn't get lynched. If we vote to lynch him on any other day from now on whether he's a cylon or not, it's a lynch.
but again - isn't that WHY everyone was pressuring people to claim? So that we could take someone like sig and vote him and make him pressure claim and see if he lives or dies by his "I'm a cylon" claim? Isn't that how we're supposed to stop cavil??? You do see what I'm saying? How is his non lynch a bad option if we REALLY think the non-claimers MUST be bad for not claiming? Doesn't that do EXACTLY what everyone pressuring everyone to claim says it was supposed to do? Make cylons burn their lynch protect? If we catch a cylon while they are burning it how is that bad or a waste?

It was good enough for D'anna/Lorab. Why isn't it good enough for sig?

I just think we should avoid having to lynch people twice as much as possible. With martial law, we already need to do 12 successful lynches to win, and if we have to lynch seven of them twice, that makes 19 successful lynches. I don't like those chances at all.

Dex wrote:
bea wrote:I'm not sure how a sig vote is wasted?
If we vote to lynch him today and he's a cylon, he doesn't get lynched. If we vote to lynch him on any other day from now on whether he's a cylon or not, it's a lynch.

Silverwolf wrote:
Polo wrote: Look at the poll. a2thezebra is not an option.
Wow, I just looked and noticed this. Is it something new that happened with the secret role being revealed I wonder? Like they can remove someone from the lynch pool?

I suspect its a prize for winning a contest but I'm just guessing.

bea wrote:I'm not sure how a sig vote is wasted?

If we vote to lynch him today and he's a cylon, he doesn't get lynched. If we vote to lynch him on any other day from now on whether he's a cylon or not, it's a lynch.

S~V~S wrote:I said I would give him time,which to me means until the end of the day. If nothing Cain related happens,I can then more to the next day and wait.

In terms if the show, btw, there isn't any Cain-related event to wait for. She shows up, takes over, declares martial law, ignores Roslin or any pretense of civil authority, shoots her XO in the head for insubordination, summarily arrests and courtmartials some of Galactica's crew, regularly tortures a 6 for kicks, and gets killed. I conclude that as long as Cain's in charge there's going to be martial law, and it won't go away until Cain does, and LCs pleas for time are just that, an attempt to buy time.

And seeing how no one else is here, I'll just do it myself. Goldama, please send Kat and Hot Dog to Sector C2. Happy Hunting!

6 minutes after the hour we can launch a sortie. Our last three sectors are C2, C6, and F1.

S~V~S wrote:@Dex, who are your top three? Before you subbed in Faraday would have been one of mine, but you are doing a good job of redeeming him.

Do you mean outside of LC? I could get on board with Wilgy. I could also go Glorfindel, Rico, or the crazy klingon.

Silverwolf wrote:I'd also still be willing to lynch Long Con. Black Rock's support of him holds some weight and he definitely is showing a lot of effort and not knowing about certain things that'd I'd expect him too seems genuine but I have a bad feeling about him I can't shake.

Is anyone else willing to vote LC? Can I convince you, S~V~S? It might be good to have the most votes on him before the night is half over, to ensure he won't jump the fleet early and all the votes will count. Assuming he's Cain. Which I do.

If S~V~S is going to grant LC more time, then I pretty much have to follow her lead. Mutinies need significant numbers to succeed.

Sig hasn't corrected his declaration error, so I could go that way. I wish I could go zeebs. I could get on board with Wilgy. I could also go Glorfindel, Rico, or the crazy klingon.

S~V~S wrote:Sens a Sortie to F3 please.

Sorry, luv, according to my notes this was an hour early. I'm going to resend now.

Please send a sortie to F3 k thx bye.

Long Con wrote:
Dex wrote:Who wants to do a sortie? Only B1, C2, C6, F1 and F3 remain.
WOW! We're that close, eh?

I will send a Sortie to B1 then.

Excellent! I think it's a good idea that the Pegasus flies some of these missions.

Who wants to do a sortie? Only B1, C2, C6, F1 and F3 remain.

Polo wrote:Oh, somebody got insanified.

I guess he won't be declaring today.

SokothQultuq wrote:Anyone have a better argument?

It's what good civs do.

Reposting for clarity

Black Rock wrote:In the show, Roslin would never pass such a law. So who ever is playing this role is a human traitor. Roslin was never a huge Cylo9n sympathizer. They killed the human race o9n whole. Epig really does have the best Cylon role.

She worked with Cylons! One example:

The discovery of the Rebel Cylon basestar presents Roslin with yet another difficult decision; the Cylons are willing to help the Colonials destroy the Resurrection Hub, thus rendering all Cylons mortal, in exchange for the identities of the Final Five, which will give them the location of Earth. Roslin agrees to the deal.

Moreover, Adama and Roslin actual consider assassinating Cain. More human treachery?

Black Rock wrote:
Dex wrote:In the show, Roslin would never pass such a law. So who ever is playing this role is a human traitor. Roslin was never a huge Cylo9n sympathizer. They killed the human race o9n whole. Epig really does have the best Cylon role.
She worked with Cylons! One example:

The discovery of the Rebel Cylon basestar presents Roslin with yet another difficult decision; the Cylons are willing to help the Colonials destroy the Resurrection Hub, thus rendering all Cylons mortal, in exchange for the identities of the Final Five, which will give them the location of Earth. Roslin agrees to the deal.

Moreover, Adama and Roslin actual consider assassinating Cain. More human treachery?

Black Rock wrote:Nope SVS. Not that easy. I think you are trying to separate the two but the more I play this game (and the more I understood my role), the more I understand that faction is where we should be unless we're traitors. So are you Cylon or human traitor? They both exist.

Well, President Roslin passed the Cylon Amnesty Act. Is she Cylon or human traitor?

Long Con wrote:I believe Cain needs to kill all Cylons. I don't think, and didn't think back then, that this game is a simple civ vs bad. I think Cain upsets certain factions, and that the Cylons that most humans need dead are the biggest likely voice of those factions. It just makes logical sense.

Back then, however, you used "BAD", "GOOD", and "INDY/NEUTRAL" in bright colors to describe all the characters. I'm guessing that you just don't want to do this with Cain.

LC, you once posted a list of the roles and guessed their alignment. Now that we know who the secret role is, what is your call on Cain?

EBWOP

...a vote today FOR SIG is now wasted...

Polo wrote:Do you not suspect Sig?

Oh, I most certainly do. But he just declared so he is no longer a member of that group, and a vote today is now wasted because he's probably a toaster.

So Say We All!

LC, or one of the Suspicious Seven: Zebra, Glorfindel, Vompati, Obscure, Rico, Sok, or Wilgy.

Um, that was meant to be sector C4...

Goldama actual, please sortie the frak out of sector C$, thx.

Only five to go. I got to say, if they hadn't NKed Indi, we would have accomplished this mission by now.

Polo wrote:I think they have to claim it during a day phase.

Oh, right.

Long Con wrote:I swear to God, S~V~S - give me a little time, and I can prove it to you. I can't do it if you guys just lynch me tomorrow for theories and suppositions about the role you think I am can do.

Why not do it now?

sig wrote:I'll claim tomorrow I said, since it seems it will lift peoples concerns about me.

Why not do it now?

Ricochet wrote:But I'm lynching him for being a Cylon.

That's fine, just vote for him early.

Ricochet wrote:Tomorrow (if alive of cors) I'd like to lynch Long Con.

I'm on board with that. Moreover, anyone of a like mind should cast their vote early. If LC is Cain, as I believe, he has the authority to order a premature jump. Making him the leader in votes before the day is half over will prevent that from happening.

a2thezebra wrote:I consider myself female. Not everyone agrees but just FYI.

I don't see how the last two quotes are related to the question I asked before. In the G2H reads a number of people read me as bad that have barely mentioned me or asked me any questions, so I would still like some elaboration on that. My criticism of the Cylon mass claim plan is completely unrelated.

I knew that, too. Derp. I apologize,

I can't speak for anyone else, but for me my suspicion of you is entirely on account of your criticism of the Cylon mass claim plan, so they are not at all unrelated.

He asks a question:

a2thezebra wrote:More people G2H read me as bad than I would have expected, for shame. Care to elaborate anyone?

Then answers it succinctly himself:

a2thezebra wrote:Not only am I not claiming Cylon, I highly discourage anyone else who still hasn't claimed Cylon from doing so.

a2thezebra wrote:I've been over this. A mass claim will help mafia more than hurt them.

What kind of intelligence can process this statement as being true? I suggest, an artificial one.

juliets wrote:I saw something in her posts that I believe would have got her punished but I don't think it is wise for me to repeat it. So, I think she's telling the truth.

You did better than I did. Like SD, I couldn't find anything even remotely punishable in her posts prior to her smiley phase. I couldn't find anything that looked like a trigger, either, and I consider her specific claim - that she was punished for triggering an event - just bizarre.

Of all the excuses for not declaring cylon remaining, this may be, to me, the weakest, and therefore the most suspicious.

S~V~S wrote:As I understand it, Cain was like Athena, a literary device of sorts to demonstrate that all was not black/white, yes? Like in the original series, Cylons were unmitigated evil, no wiggle room. In the reboot,not so much (this is totally from the "only read multiple articles on the wiki & saw half of season one" perspective, I am going to bite the bullet & buy the mini series this weekend so season 1 makes more sense). Athena demonstrated that Cylons could be good, and Cain that humans could be bad. Is this correct? She seems somewhat of a tragic figure, but she seems driven by hate & revenge. No one could blame her personally for hating cylons in general, but it seeped into her command decisions, which is what made it bad.

Even if not for canon driven reasons that make me think this role is bad, I am not a fan of our win cons being made more difficult, since even if the remaining cylons seem to be predominantly bad, the Final Five, not so much.

If she backs down & restores our win cons, I am less likely to worry about her. But I view that win con thing as an act of aggression.

Pretty much. The Pegasus originally had an entourage of civilian ships like the Galactica, but she decided to strip them of vital equipment for spare parts for the Pegasus and left the people to die. For Cain, prosecuting the war against the Cylons trumped preserving the human race, which is kind of insane.

Plus, she delighted in torturing people. So... yeah.

I'm surprised you weren't all over the show.

Polo wrote:Do you know who Cain is then? If you knew who were Cain and Cavil, would you lynch Cain first?

I don't know who anyone is, but LC looks awful Cainish to me. And I think I would probably gun for Cain first, because what if D'Anna was civ? What power did she have? Maybe she was an effective anti-Cavil in some way. If not all cylons are mafia, then it stands to reason that the ones that aren't have something to contribute to the civ cause, and I just don't think we should be burning these potential positive resources without a second thought. Lynching Cain first just might make lynching Cavil and his ilk easier.

Polo wrote:I know that lynching 12 people sucks butts, but I believe we should go after Cavil before attempting a coup d'état. Or an impeachment process; as a Brazilian dude I'll be glad to provide y'all with my hands-on experience.

If you know who Cavil is, I'm all for it. Otherwise, a mutiny gives us our best shot at victory. Besides which, although morality on the show was hardly black and white, if there was a character that came closest to pure evil outside of Cavil, it was Cain. I don't think she can possibly be civ. And so I regard her insistence on destroying all toasters suspect.

ObscureAllure wrote:After all, we are out to get all cylons now, not just the *good* ones, right? :eyeroll: Tomorrow will be mighty interesting.

I don't think we should just calmly accept having to pull off (now) twelve successful lynches in order to win the game. What do you think our chances are of winning in those circumstances? To my mind, a better idea is to overthrow Caine (a Caine mutiny, as it were), and bring that number down to a more realistic number. And who knows how these potentially allied cylons might help us in that endeavor?

Ricochet wrote:Final question before heading to work. Did you spectate whilst being a non-player, Dex? I find you were very prompt and knowledgeable right from your first post, in which you Cylonclaimed.

also whats your gender

Yes, I've been following along pretty closely and have formed definite opinions. There were times I wished I could have posted.

And I'm male, or a "pickle" in old HV parlance.

indiglo wrote:Cavil vs D'Anna

Cavil Faction: ones (Cavil), fours (O'Neill), fives (Doral) and Boomer (Cavil also hated the Final 5, wanting them dead and/or boxed), the Hybrid (if it exists) may be in this faction, or work as an indy

D'Anna's Group: twos (Leoben), threes (D'Anna), and Athena, Caprica Six may be in this faction, or work as an indy.

Resurrecting this post from the lovely and intelligent Indiglo. Given that I think it's obvious that there are civ cylons and mafia cylons, we're frakking the wrong toasters.

"Number Three" is a model of humanoid Cylon, female, blonde, and marked by a religious curiosity—notably surrounding the verboten Final Five—that sets her against the other Cylon models, notably the Number Ones.

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