The Syndicate

Also, to make things crystal clear, @Akemi Homura for your own sake you would best do to get here sooner rather than just at EoD.

I really hate that you haven't been here for any input what-so-ever for this phase other than SoD.

If we're going to CFD someone in the next 5 hours, I would like for it to one of these:

Quokka
PonyStarkPrime

Otherwise, please maintain the top wagon.

My Shell wrote: ↑Sun Dec 20, 2020 2:58 pm No one else thinks paprika thinking there are VTs is sus?

Honestly if it comes down to it I'll probably vote him if the wagon doesn't move at all by EoD though he's not super close to my FoS.

Personally though, I think every setup has "VT's" unless its explicitly a role-madness without any words attached to it. Here we have a "light" role madness, which implies there are roles that are so power-less or have abilites with so very few uses or utility that those roles may as well be considered as VT anyways.

My Shell
2
18%
Voters: Akemi Homura, Paprika
nutellaphant
3
27%
Voters: Maid, MartinWP69, Quokka
Paprika
3
27%
Voters: 1337, My Shell, nutellaphant
PonySparkPrime
2
18%
Voters: NurseWilgy, Fuskdall


Vote-count for the record. Seems it could be useful in the future.

NurseWilgy wrote: ↑Sun Dec 20, 2020 2:54 pm

MartinWP69 wrote: ↑Sun Dec 20, 2020 2:50 pm Nutellaphant and My Shell are both scum and their only motive today is distancing.

Disagree.

At most 1 wolf in there fmpov, which is where I currently am at.

After all they're both voting the same person, Paprika lol

If they're distancing why vote the same person; they would be more self-aware of that I would argue

MartinWP69 wrote: ↑Sun Dec 20, 2020 2:50 pm Nutellaphant and My Shell are both scum and their only motive today is distancing.

Disagree.

At most 1 wolf in there fmpov, which is where I currently am at.

Quokka wrote: ↑Sun Dec 20, 2020 2:11 pm This four wagon formation bothers me, I don't have confidence today is a hit either due to that. Between the four I would rather nutellaphant because of yesterday and the fact that their entrance was unreadable. I don't understand why they are suspecting Martin either.

[VOTE: nutellaphant] aubergine

I've stared at this

And my gut/instinct is really telling me to scum-read this

Maid wrote: ↑Sat Dec 19, 2020 5:21 pm

NurseWilgy wrote: ↑Sat Dec 19, 2020 5:09 pm

Maid wrote: ↑Sat Dec 19, 2020 7:24 am

nutellaphant wrote: ↑Sat Dec 19, 2020 6:05 am forgot to remove dodo from my d1 reads.

When did you make the reads list?

nutellaphant wrote: ↑Sat Dec 19, 2020 8:05 am i made the readlist as i went and i updated it as my thoughts changed

Maid wrote: ↑Sat Dec 19, 2020 3:59 pm I didn't have much time to analyze the game, but I had a question, and Nutellaphant's answer is not what I expected from a villager.

This looks like the definition of a playstyle difference, possibly NAI.

Derp clear for Nutphant is denied, other than that, I have no problem with playstyle.

Maid wrote: ↑Sun Dec 20, 2020 2:37 am Second, reading the day 1 without checking who is dead and what roles are flipped affects the accuracy of the reads, what kind of villager do that?

Its not necessarily a derp clear that I was suggesting.

If I were to personally catch up a whole day phase that I missed then I would have done the same thing as they did, though I don't know if I would format it like they did or put all of my thoughts out there.

Reason being, if it is a miselimination then I would like to know if I felt they were suspicious as well; that way perhaps I could gauge as to whether how plausibly I feel that there were villagers on that wagon or not.

Having TMI on a flip because I read their flip might bias me to think their villageriness was more obvious, and thus make it seem like the people pushing her (villager or not) seem scummier then I actually would have if I had read the flip after catching up.

My Shell wrote: ↑Sun Dec 20, 2020 2:21 am Is there any vt? I thought setup is all prs

There may be roles that are effectively VT via having a very low-utility ability.

After all, this is a

tutuu wrote: ↑Mon Dec 14, 2020 5:48 pm Closed Setup Low Power Role Madness

Paprika wrote: ↑Sat Dec 19, 2020 5:44 pm

NurseWilgy wrote: ↑Sat Dec 19, 2020 4:50 pm

Paprika wrote: ↑Sat Dec 19, 2020 2:05 am I didn't even ask you but you answered anyways, ooh I like that I think. Thought you were a werewolf to be honest but we'll see. I feel like your reads on dodo was TMI and that you were pushing Nutella for no reason besides lack of content. I asked because Maid behaved strangely during the EoD and I did not like it either, I agree. I was hoping Akemi or Martin could take a look through but thank you for answering.

I think my gut scum-read on paprika is mostly a pet conspiracy theory at this point.

I'm judging this a towny post/reaction to me, all things considered.

Though I do wonder where they thought I was pushing Nutella for lack of content.

nutellaphant wrote: ↑Thu Dec 17, 2020 4:39 pm Vote on me aside, NurseWilgy is sus. They're asking for a case on dodo (who I personally am okay with at the moment), and they're voting for me due to lack of content. They don't know where they're at in the game.

But then again, that's the words coming out of past-nutella rather than a push from you, who I townread from the little content they gave (wack reasons for it though).
And good news, nutella is now townreading you which I think looks good for them.

Why were you voting Nutella though Nurse? I think this is a waste of time question since I am probably leaning more town for you now but yeah, lack of content vote seems soooo easy which is why I agreed with nutella that you were scum for doing it.

Yeah, that's past nutella's words not mine.

I never said that it was true that I was pushing her for lack of content; I said for her to !@#$ off with her shading there. Furthermore, I specifically said, in my response to that, that a past post of mine had a two-fold answer (See here):

NurseWilgy wrote: ↑Thu Dec 17, 2020 3:54 pm I'm also voting nutellaphant out of my trust for Fuskdall so far, and that I wish to prevent a Dodo wagon.

THIS is not a push due to lack of content. The fact they even brought that up as "a push due to lack of content" looked self-conscious. As for whether that was scummy self-consciousness or tangentially related to uh a certain event on D2, we'll never know and I don't want to dance around that subject as that may be toeing the line.

Maid wrote: ↑Sat Dec 19, 2020 7:24 am

nutellaphant wrote: ↑Sat Dec 19, 2020 6:05 am forgot to remove dodo from my d1 reads.

When did you make the reads list?

nutellaphant wrote: ↑Sat Dec 19, 2020 8:05 am i made the readlist as i went and i updated it as my thoughts changed

Maid wrote: ↑Sat Dec 19, 2020 3:59 pm I didn't have much time to analyze the game, but I had a question, and Nutellaphant's answer is not what I expected from a villager.

This looks like the definition of a playstyle difference, possibly NAI.

My Shell wrote: ↑Sat Dec 19, 2020 3:36 pm Nutella made notes before reading up to flips and typed her reaction to dodo being killed but did not acknowledge bodyguard reveal. She has dodo but not 1337 in summary list.

I quite often forget a player or two in my (posted) reads list, especially if they're low-posting.

I don't think its that big of a deal.

NurseWilgy wrote: ↑Sat Dec 19, 2020 5:04 pm I may be slightly biased but I think Nutella's wall is fairly good or redeeming.

Though they might not be aware that some things may be done solely for role-play purposes.

I may be slightly biased but I think Nutella's wall is fairly good or redeeming.

Quokka wrote: ↑Sat Dec 19, 2020 5:52 am I'm sorry I do not have high WIM this day phase. I should have paid more attention to my observation yesterday that the thread got a lot more excited after I arrived, in hindsight it's probably because the mafia stirred things up because they saw an opportunity to create chaos or save a buddy due to my entrance.

I would try to stay away from just blanket suspicions here for EoD1.

That could be easily mistaken as wolves being comfortable and villagers jump in to try and save the day depending on how one looks at it.

Paprika wrote: ↑Sat Dec 19, 2020 2:05 am I didn't even ask you but you answered anyways, ooh I like that I think. Thought you were a werewolf to be honest but we'll see. I feel like your reads on dodo was TMI and that you were pushing Nutella for no reason besides lack of content. I asked because Maid behaved strangely during the EoD and I did not like it either, I agree. I was hoping Akemi or Martin could take a look through but thank you for answering.

I think my gut scum-read on paprika is mostly a pet conspiracy theory at this point.

I'm judging this a towny post/reaction to me, all things considered.

Though I do wonder where they thought I was pushing Nutella for lack of content.

Paprika wrote: ↑Sat Dec 19, 2020 1:14 am Can you explain this one?

I knew I was forgetting to check something on that EoD.

I'll explain it fmpov, since I do find Maid's EoD to be bad as well and that I wish to comment on it. This is the entirety of the last hour and 20 minutes prior to EoD. They're not participating much in CFD/flash-wagon discussions (much less pushing them), and on the single post or two where they're hinting that Nutella's wagon looks bad, it looks as if they're positioning for a bit of white-knight town cred. For a player I had a fairly decent town-read on D1, that EoD was underwhelming a bit at best and scummy at worst.

I don't find this to implicate them as conclusively scummy however; I had good vibes with them early on for D1 and its possible that they were busy IRL around the time of EoD.

That isn't to say I won't be keeping an eye on them though.

My Shell wrote: ↑Sat Dec 19, 2020 12:58 am

NurseWilgy wrote: ↑Sat Dec 19, 2020 12:54 am

My Shell wrote: ↑Sat Dec 19, 2020 12:49 am

NurseWilgy wrote: ↑Sat Dec 19, 2020 12:48 am [I'm probably not going to RP much this day phase]

For the record,

I would like to point out that My Shell was the only one who reacted to my questioning of the Dodo wagon directly in mid/late D1. While I do see a fair amount of value in eliminating their slot, I hesitate to just chop them here because of that even if its the smallest of details in a pool of evidence and arguments that could be made against them.

I'm curious as to why nobody is bringing up TSP though, and I do hope we don't use the existence of a My Shell wagon as reason to not push our scum reads.

I do not remember much content from Pony Stark and could see them as wolf, what reasoning do you have on them specifically?

As @Quokka hypothesized in EoD1, he said wolves were probably comfortable since it initially wasn't chaotic.

When TSP was there, he was care-free in a sense and while it could be viewed as towny in an EoD I honestly think that's suspicious under the idea that wolves were comfortable with that day's elimination.

Yes I see that. Wolves would be comfortable yesterday if Nutella is town and we had all v/v wagons

Ideally, I would not like to back-track at all against Nutella, but I will admit that in the past 48 hours or so there has been new evidence that would imply their innocence, and I'm not going to elaborate on that further.

They don't really wait for anyone to answer and they just end up voting anyways 2 minutes later.

A specific example of this "care-free" nature is this:

PonySparkPrime wrote: ↑Thu Dec 17, 2020 7:51 pm why boring boe?

PonySparkPrime wrote: ↑Thu Dec 17, 2020 7:53 pm [VOTE: boring boy] aubergine

that was anything but boring

My Shell wrote: ↑Sat Dec 19, 2020 12:49 am

NurseWilgy wrote: ↑Sat Dec 19, 2020 12:48 am [I'm probably not going to RP much this day phase]

For the record,

I would like to point out that My Shell was the only one who reacted to my questioning of the Dodo wagon directly in mid/late D1. While I do see a fair amount of value in eliminating their slot, I hesitate to just chop them here because of that even if its the smallest of details in a pool of evidence and arguments that could be made against them.

I'm curious as to why nobody is bringing up TSP though, and I do hope we don't use the existence of a My Shell wagon as reason to not push our scum reads.

I do not remember much content from Pony Stark and could see them as wolf, what reasoning do you have on them specifically?

As @Quokka hypothesized in EoD1, he said wolves were probably comfortable since it initially wasn't chaotic.

When TSP was there, he was care-free in a sense and while it could be viewed as towny in an EoD I honestly think that's suspicious under the idea that wolves were comfortable with that day's elimination.

Also

Fuskdall wrote: ↑Fri Dec 18, 2020 11:06 pm I plan on sheeping Alison for the remainder of the game

This implies you think your input is or will be of lesser or no value, or that you have no input.

Why is that?

[I'm probably not going to RP much this day phase]

For the record,

I would like to point out that My Shell was the only one who reacted to my questioning of the Dodo wagon directly in mid/late D1. While I do see a fair amount of value in eliminating their slot, I hesitate to just chop them here because of that even if its the smallest of details in a pool of evidence and arguments that could be made against them.

I'm curious as to why nobody is bringing up TSP though, and I do hope we don't use the existence of a My Shell wagon as reason to not push our scum reads.

NurseWilgy wrote: ↑Thu Dec 17, 2020 5:38 pm

MartinWP69 wrote: ↑Thu Dec 17, 2020 5:24 pm I do not see where NurseWilgy asked nutellaphent about dodo. But that said, I would now be interested to know what nutellaphent thinks about the fact that dodo is the leading bandwagon to this point in the day.

I never asked them.

But it really looks not towny of them to avoid talking about the consensus wagon so far, whilst providing very little content.

Her brining up dodo's wagon without actually diving into it, WHILE SHADING ME,

Is suspicious as hell.

She should be trying to figure out if that wagon is good or bad, since clearly she worded things in a way as if that wagon and my questioning of it was related to my alignment.

If she just has a "null" read on it (which she basically just said by saying "I don't think dodo is scummy") then she has made no effort to authentically read me.

MartinWP69 wrote: ↑Thu Dec 17, 2020 5:24 pm I do not see where NurseWilgy asked nutellaphent about dodo. But that said, I would now be interested to know what nutellaphent thinks about the fact that dodo is the leading bandwagon to this point in the day.

I never asked them.

But it really looks not towny of them to avoid talking about the consensus wagon so far, whilst providing very little content.

nutellaphant wrote: ↑Thu Dec 17, 2020 5:17 pm

NurseWilgy wrote: ↑Thu Dec 17, 2020 4:45 pm

nutellaphant wrote: ↑Thu Dec 17, 2020 4:39 pm Vote on me aside, NurseWilgy is sus. They're asking for a case on dodo (who I personally am okay with at the moment), and they're voting for me due to lack of content. They don't know where they're at in the game.

Okay, I'm going to break off from even remotely RP'ing here.

1. ! @ # $ off with that shade.

2. I'm wisely spending my time to figure out if there's any wolves on that wagon, IN ADDITION to trying to defend my town read.

3. You quite cleanly dodge explaining why Dodo is scummy or why you are okay with that vote here.

Also, if you read my recent posts you will know its two-fold reason for voting you.

Actually, lets make it three-fold:

That was an absolutely terrible post.

I don't think dodo is scummy.

Then why are you okay with them being voted?

Are they a big ol' NULL read of yours?

If you townread them then there shouldn't be any reason for you to not defend them.

nutellaphant wrote: They're asking for a case on dodo (who I personally am okay with at the moment)

In fact, why is this being brought up at all when discussing me on D1?

Its a very bad and awkward comment on the current status quo, when clearly that entire post was meant to shade me.

Anyone who is thinking this:

"BuT NuRsEwIlGy DiDn'T yOu JuSt OmGuS"

Is a fool for thinking scum-hunting and/or town-hunting is so 1-dimensional here.

nutellaphant wrote: ↑Thu Dec 17, 2020 4:39 pm Vote on me aside, NurseWilgy is sus. They're asking for a case on dodo (who I personally am okay with at the moment), and they're voting for me due to lack of content. They don't know where they're at in the game.

Okay, I'm going to break off from even remotely RP'ing here.

1. ! @ # $ off with that shade.

2. I'm wisely spending my time to figure out if there's any wolves on that wagon, IN ADDITION to trying to defend my town read.

3. You quite cleanly dodge explaining why Dodo is scummy or why you are okay with that vote here.

Also, if you read my recent posts you will know its two-fold reason for voting you.

Actually, lets make it three-fold:

That was an absolutely terrible post.

Akemi Homura wrote: ↑Thu Dec 17, 2020 4:24 pm No, it's town's job to find the wolves. Not to create suspects out of innocent villagers.

Akemi Homura wrote: ↑Thu Dec 17, 2020 4:14 pm I'm beginning to think Fuskfall has TMI on dodo.

Fuskdall wrote: ↑Mon Dec 14, 2020 11:54 pm I think nutella is a wolf

Akemi Homura wrote: ↑Wed Dec 16, 2020 8:38 am [VOTE: nutellaphant] aubergine

My first scum read is never wrong.

Didn't you just create a suspect out of a player who, in the past, effectively had the same scum-reads as you?

Akemi Homura wrote: ↑Thu Dec 17, 2020 4:14 pm I'm beginning to think Fuskfall has TMI on dodo.

This is bad.

MartinWP69 wrote: ↑Thu Dec 17, 2020 3:55 pm I still believe that Maid is a good place to vote today.

After looking at yours and their ISO's,

I'm just not feeling it as much as you seem to be. Some operate on a pure scum-hunting basis, some on a pure town-hunting basis. Most of the time both.

But its worth considering to get the ball rolling on if the only alternative is to rid ourselves of dodo, which I disagree much with.

My Shell wrote: ↑Thu Dec 17, 2020 3:48 pm Tell me who is wolf then?

What do you think about paprika

I'm currently hunting for who that is.

One part of that is asking about the dodo wagon.

I still have a gut scum-read on Paprika, though that is mostly feeling. I did make a post with two quotes of his posts in the past that I felt were particularly bad somehow.

I'm also voting nutellaphant out of my trust for Fuskdall so far, and that I wish to prevent a Dodo wagon.

He isn't supremely towny but out of all my reads right now he's at the top.

@Quokka
@Akemi Homura
@1337

Rude.

At least My Shell has the decency to answer some of my questions about the dodo wagon.

Dodo is town.

Either take that read or leave your vote somewhere else.

My Shell wrote: ↑Thu Dec 17, 2020 3:34 pm She seemed to have fake confidence and did not feel like villagery evaluation

She quite clearly had a "confidence" in many people being null for her 189 posts in.

And what counts as "villagery" evaluation here?

Has she done anything that's more suitable for a wolf to do rather than a town to do?

My Shell wrote: ↑Thu Dec 17, 2020 3:32 pm For me I feel dodo does not really believe in any of her reads

Also she had odd interaction with paprika. I think one of them is probably wolf

Is that not an inherent aspect for many towns on on D1?

They did have many nulls on their readslist, which inherently implies a great level of uncertainty.

I would extrapolate the timing and awkardness of that to be plausibly towny.

Maid wrote: ↑Thu Dec 17, 2020 2:36 am Regarding the activity, I doubt that the low posters are wolves, but I have no reason to call them villagers, so I hope their activity will increase.

Apologies, but I can't really be more active if none of the dodo voters are interested in convincing me and others to vote dodo.

None of them decided to interact with my question 14 hours earlier. So I still don't understand the dodo wagon and its reasons.

My Shell wrote: ↑Thu Dec 17, 2020 2:36 pm

Fuskdall wrote: ↑Thu Dec 17, 2020 2:03 pm Dodo is so obviously Town that all votes on Dodo should be considered wolfy.

why? I don't agree

When did your "pressure vote" turn into a real vote?

You have not once directly called her wolfy.

Why is that?

Fuskdall wrote: ↑Thu Dec 17, 2020 2:03 pm Dodo is so obviously Town that all votes on Dodo should be considered wolfy.

This.

My Shell wrote: ↑Wed Dec 16, 2020 2:55 pm I am not understanding Dodo posts, think she is waving around wild and random opinions that don't make sense

Let me put some pressure
[VOTE: dodo] aubergine

Akemi Homura wrote: ↑Wed Dec 16, 2020 4:09 pm

dodo wrote: ↑Wed Dec 16, 2020 3:21 pm

Quokka wrote: ↑Wed Dec 16, 2020 3:13 pm

Paprika wrote: ↑Wed Dec 16, 2020 2:59 pm im just waiting for dodo's real reads
i don't think dodo is that scummy

Hold on.

How would you know if dodo is usually scummy or not? Nobody knows each other's real identities. Are you slipping that you know dodo's real identity because she told you in your mafia chat together?

this is an odd take.

here is where i am at

paprika/t
Quokka/m
Alison/t
1337/ n
Boringboi/n
nutella/bff/n
Martín/n
PSP/n
My shell/n
Maid/ t
Wilgy/ n

You have 3 town, 1 wolf and 7 null?

You name me as town, despite throwing shade my way just moments earlier for "hiding behind roleplay". This list doesn't feel genuine, and if it was GTH, it's just as bad with 7 null reads.

Question, how does this make it necessarily bad?

Can we talk more about Dodo wagon?

I fail to understand it.

Paprika wrote: ↑Wed Dec 16, 2020 2:14 pm

1337 wrote: ↑Wed Dec 16, 2020 2:11 pm WTF IM NOT MEMEING I am actually miller the post says no untold millers I was told the post was specific for a reason LMAO

OH BRUH WTF
Okay there goes my theory of him memeing as town but I guess I still want to believe his miller claim.... or should i?
i have never played with a self-aware miller so I don't really know how this plays out but I don't know, I feel like he's town

Paprika wrote: ↑Wed Dec 16, 2020 2:17 pm 1337 the way things are going, either Maid is correct town and they are right on you, or they are tinfoil town and you're both town

I don't see Maid doing this opportunistic play if you are indeed town. I will cry if this is some beautiful distancing but I don't see you either as mafia

This feels bad

NurseWilgy wrote: ↑Wed Dec 16, 2020 6:07 pm 1337 looks good
Akemi is decent
Boring is boring
Dodo shouldn't be made extinct
Fuskfall looks good
Maid serves the town
N in Nutellaphant stands for null
My Shell is rude
Quokka looks good

Gut scum-reading Paprika and I'm not sure why.

Ponystarkprime is forgettable.

1337 looks good
Akemi is decent
Boring is boring
Dodo shouldn't be made extinct
Fuskfall looks good
Maid serves the town
N in Nutellaphant stands for null
My Shell is rude
Quokka looks good

Gut scum-reading Paprika and I'm not sure why.

Paprika wrote: ↑Wed Dec 16, 2020 3:13 pm @Boringboi666
@Fuskdall
@MartinWP69
@nutellaphant
@PonySparkPrime
@1337

Thoughts on Dodo? Looks like there is quite some traction on them all of a sudden.

Rude.

Hello everyone!

I am NurseWilgy and I am most definitely a Nurse.