The Syndicate

Lot wrote:I'm glad you are defending yourself! I really am.

I just think Pilate was the wrong choice to go after. Rahab went after Pilate too. For me, the thing about Pilate is this: I can't see his teammate. It doesn't make sense that he has one, to me.

I see your point, but I disagree.

One more thing. All these civs we've lynched. And after we lynch them we say, man, why didn't they speak up and defend themselves? It would have been really nice if they would have so we could have moved on and lynched someone else. Now that I AM defending myself, you think that's baddie behavior?

Lot wrote:As I said to Bathsheba - everyone alive I trusted.

I trusted you
I trusted Rahab
I trusted Pilate
I trusted Samuel

I was wrong about someone. Probably two someones.

That's why I needed to revisit voting records and thread reads. By the way, I did that for everyone who I did the voting record of, I just posted the things on you because I think you came out looking worst.

I'm not 'so confident' - not in any way. But your posts today make me feel a lot better about our chances.

I understand. I still think your posts were ridiculously contradictory and that your analysis of my vote record was poor. But, I guess I am not convincing you to vote pilate over me. Its time for me to do the dinner thing. But, for civ sake, look over me and Pilate one more time. Please. I think you will see Pilate is the way to go today.

Lot, I honestly do not know your role. And I wasn't trying to build a CASE on you, that was a side note while I was talking to Sam. I just said I am pinged by how you steamrolled this thread the past 20 hours or so even though your posts don't seem logical to me.

I hate that you can be so confident in me being bad when it isn't true. Especially after I trusted you so much before.

Lot wrote:

Lot wrote:But overall, I suggest that out best option would be to lynch Esther today, and then if we get that one correct we can regroup for tomorrow. Thoughts? Agree? Disagree?

After the whole analysis, this is what I said.

How can you say I didn't reach a conclusion?

right, but you still contradicted yourself throughout. then, you say, "in conclusion, we should vote Esther." Okay, so...please lay it out to me like I am a kindergartener. Why is voting me the best option. and...why NOT vote the others? You gave reasons to vote everyone in those posts. Why me and why NOT them, since you already stated why you would vote them.

There is nothing to SOLVE right now. We have two more voters, right? We can't solve anything at the moment. All I can do is try to get the reaming votes off of me b/c I am civ. You have made a mistake Lot.

Samuel wrote:I am leaning towards Esther today. The other two seem like a riskier move and I'm not sure that we can afford a risky move at the moment.

Also, Sam, can you explain what you mean by this? How are the other two riskier moves? I've been helpful in the game and my voting record is not bad. Lots explanation of my voting record is incorrect. He thinks its bad b/c I voted early or late. But earlier analyses of my voting record reported that there was nothing bad about it. I really think you ought to look into all of this for yourself Sam.

Linki: Pilate, I am starting to wonder about Lot too now. I really am. I think he has turned this around in one crazy contradictory swoop of posts. I am so worried he is bad and we have just lost.

You only went ahead and voted me cause you saw everyone else display their loyalty to Lot in the thread

My voting record was brought up. Lot says I look bad b/c I vote early or late. First of all, I wouldn't say I vote "early", I would say i vote before most of the others. I don't like to bandwagon. I think its cheap. I think for myself, decide who I see as bad and I go for it. There is nothing wrong with that. The times I voted late (I think it was once or twice) it was b/c RL stuff. Lot says my voted never really MEANT anything. Sure they did. They pointed to my opinion of who was bad. So Lot, are you saying my opinions are worthless?

Pilate wrote:
You can count on me to vote for Rahab or Esther. I won't choose now, but I will not split the vote between those two when I do vote... just mentioning it so that someone else can be confident in casting the first vote.

This is shit. You just don't want to look bad if the person you vote for is civ. So, you are going to vote late and bandwagon.

give me something to defend against Sam.

Samuel wrote:Laz, why do you trust me more than anyone else?

I'll vote Esther.

Why? Please don't go along with Lot and Bath just b/c. This is an important decision right now. Why do I look worse than Pilate?

Lot wrote:

Samuel wrote:Laz, why do you trust me more than anyone else?

I'll vote Esther.

I was wondering that too, and I hope he is right.

Sounds like Esther is the way it's going. I'm really sorry if I did all that analysis and came to the wrong conclusion, guys. Although honestly Esther's reactions today don't make me feel any better about her.

What I am trying to say is that you never really came to a conclusion. You threw out all sorts of possibilities (many that contradicted one another) and waited for someone to latch onto something. I don't know how anyone could see that as civ behavior. Bath, Sam, you both really think Lot's post was helpful?

Lot wrote:
I'd sooner figure out who is bad through actual analysis than guess and hope for the best.

But your analysis said absolutely nothing. You went back and forth contradicting yourself sometimes even within the same post. I have been saying Pilate is bad news all game. I've stated cases on his voting record and gave an "actual analysis" of his behavior. I didn't waver or contradict myself when I did it either. I thought you were good just about all game. But in the past couple phases, you have just been acting weird. Maybe you lost your confidence in a heathen win and you are just showing your fear through your posts. I am starting to wonder if the last two baddies are Pilate and YOU.

Lot, you are out of your mind and all over the place. First you say Rahab is the ONE to lynch today ant that you should have thought that yesterday. Then you say that I am the one to lynch. Then you say, Nah, Rahab may be good and me and Pilate are bad together. Then you say, nah, I can't see Esther and Pilate bad together. Stop giving us word vomit and actually be of help.

How in the world could you think Pilate and I are on a team (even if you went back on what you said later) I have been saying all game how I think he is bad news!

Rahab wrote:Both Pilate's and Esther's records make them candidates for Judas; however, I think Pilate's behavior in combination with the record make him the more viable candidate. I said I didn't want to ignore what I saw as blatantly baddie behavior anymore, and I want to get this one right so badly. I know you're trying to create an option that's not Pilate vs. Rahab to prevent splitting of votes (because I'm sure as hell not voting myself), but I really think Pilate is the way to go today. But I will be good and hold out to see what others have to say.

Well, I am not Judas, so it must be Pilate then. I agree he is a good vote for today.

Bathsheba wrote:Lot, thank you for doing the voting analyses and I can see right away why Esther stands out on your list. Esther got mad at me for asking questions of her but later apologized and asked if we could be buddies.

Actually, it was friends. And I was just being cute. I realized I was wrong and said so. The "lets be friends" thing was just my personality shining through my post. Seriously, nothing to read into.

Alright...I am all caught up. How in the world do I go from trusted civ to definitely bad overnight? You will be making a mistake if you vote me.

I am getting the ball rolling here. I am voting Pilate. Again. I really think he is the the one who ought to go today.

Man, TWO?! And only 24 hours. I am going to go back and read and look at voting records.

Wow. I am shocked. And I agree, I wish Rebecca would have cared enough to at least defend herself. What a wasted lynch. I'm most likely to vote Pilate next, but I am sure that goes without saying.

Stephen wrote:I have cast my vote for Rebecca. Normally, I would argue that we wait longer, but I believe we've discussed it sufficiently. I really hope she isn't just a terribly disengaged civilian, but I highly doubt it.

Great minds think alike. I just came into the thread about 2 minutes ago and wondered, hmm, I thought we were mostly in agreement on Rebecca and no one's voted. I am going to go ahead and place my vote as well.

I cut down your quote a bit just to keep post length shorter.....

Stephen wrote: If we lynch Pilate, Rebecca, and Rahab and the game isn't over, then we should reevaluate. Of course, that's my opinion.

Does that answer your question, Esther?

Yes...what you say makes sense.

Are you sure you're not Stephen 2.0? Hehe.

Stephen wrote:Thanks, Lot. I would agree with you that Rahab is the #2 after Rebecca, but what do you make of Pilate spearheading the move against you this past lynch? That's what put him above Rahab for me.

I see Lot's perspective on Rahab being #2, but I have had bad feelings about Pilate ALL game and this is actually some evidence to back up my gut.

Stephen wrote:As long as we all are in a consensus for voting Rebecca, I think we should do that.

I'm in.

So, apparently I am not good at reading the rules. I went with Samson b/c he has a way with the ladies.

Stephen wrote:Thanks for replying, Esther, I understand that. It just seemed weird that you would throw off since your vote literally had no impact on the lynch.

So... somewhere in Pilate, Rebecca, Esther, and Rahab are likely our wolves.

Well, even though I wasn't a part of it, I'm glad we got another one And....now we have another day!

I've always had bad feeling about Pilate, I haven't looked too much at Rebecca. I will do that. Rahab, like I said, seems helpful even though her posts are fewer than some.

Stephen wrote:If I do die tonight, I can 99% vouch for Lot and Samuel at this point. Also feeling very good about Bathsheba and Jacob. Town needs to stick together and really put in 100% to win this game. It is now possible, with Lot's survival.

It would be very silly for the wolves to eat me tonight though, lest they want to completely ruin their potential conquest.

I'm glad you are speaking up more now, Stephen. What makes you so sure about Lot, Samuel, Bathsheba, and Jacob. I am not saying I disagree with you (although I may on one or two :P) I am just curious to get a more detailed analysis. Or is it just by process of elimination b/c of who you say is bad?

Absalom for the win!

Stephen wrote:I don't understand. If you think Lot is good why didn't you save him? Your vote is worthless.

Gosh, I don't know. I guess b/c I don't necessarily think Deborah is bad. I am not sure enough about her and would feel bad if I lynched her and she was good.

Stephen wrote:Esther and Malchus are the only ones who haven't voted.

All "day" I've been thinking the day ended in the PM, not AM! I am on my way out the door and I see its AM! I feel bad b/c I don't even know how far behind I may be. Last I was in here was about 18 hours ago. I wish I could make a more informed decision. *sigh* I still think Lot is good from what I have read anyway. I am not sure of all the Deborah votes, except that she has been a quiet one, not much to go on there. I am going to vote for Samuel. I have posted my suspicions of him previously.

As the game is progressing, I feel its more difficult to spot the baddies. Samuel's defensive behavior was a big ping and at the time he did not answer the question on who he thought was bad. Eventually he did though. And he continues to surprise me by pointing out tidbits of info that seem helpful. So I am on the fence about him.

As I realize it was "my bad" about the Bathsheba thing...I find myself agreeing more ad more with her. posts I feel good about her atm.

You know how I feel about Pilate.

Lot, I have thought he was civ for a while now. Here is a look at his voting record as I said I would look at it b/c of Samuel's post. He voted for Uzz and Ruth pretty early, something I am not sure a baddie would do.
Day 11 - Laz (first player to vote)
Day 10 - Laz (first player to vote)
Day 9 - Laz (second player to vote)
Day 8 - Laz (first player to vote)
Day 7 - Laz (first player to vote)
Day 6 - Jephthah (9th player to vote, but first vote for Jeph)
Day 5 - Ruth (6th player to vote, 3rd to vote for Ruth)
Day 4 - Jephthah (8th player to vote, 2nd vote on Jeph)
Day 3 - Missed Vote
Day 2 - (first vote on Rachel, 3rd player to vote)
Day 1 - Uzziah (2nd vote on Uzz, 10th to vote overall)

Rahab's posts are few, but helpful. And in that statement a light just came on. I think I know who she may be behind the sock! Haha.

Deborah, Jacob, Malchus, Rebecca, and Stephen all seem to be in the background not playing too much of a part, IMO. I'd like to hear more from them.

I don't think I missed anyone.

Samuel wrote:
What about the fact that Lot pulled hard for us not to lynch Ruth because it might be a trap, while he voted Laz and then when Ruth got lynched without incident he proceeded to talk about suspecting those who voted Isaac invested of Ruth?

Hmm, you are correct about this. I do suppose a baddie could have been very vocal/helpful throughout this whole time to appear civ. I think I will take a look at his voting record after I fold all this laundry.

RIP Abs and Jonah. Absalom, you contributed so much, I'm surprised you stuck around as long as you did.

I am sorry I can't remember everything about the game Bathsheba, but I find as we get to fewer people I am able to keep up a lot better. I'm sorry I accused you of not telling the truth about being replaced. I hope we can be friends

So, going forward. I don't see the see the suspicion on Lot at all. I have been pinged by Pilate the whole game and now that he is trying to drum up suspicion on Lot makes him look more suspicious IMO. I think Lot looks and acts very civ.

Samuel wrote:The reason I suspect Isaac is because when it ended in a tie between Mordecai and Isaac, Mordecai threw his vote off instead of using it to save himself. This makes no sense to me if Isaac is civ. It only makes sense if Mordecai and Isaac are on a team.

THIS is interesting and it is enough to convince me to let Samuel alone for at least another day. Good eye Sam. I have to vote now. the end of the lynch period will end before I am able to get into the thread in the morning. I am voting Isaac. I've been suspecting him a while but just by gut....I think Sam brings up some real evidence against him here.

Absalom wrote:
Who do you think is bad and why, Sam?

Samuel wrote:I feel certain that Jonah is not a heathen. Either he is horseman or he is civ. Bit I think it is extremely unlikely he is heathen. I don't feel any need to vote there ay the moment.

And come on, why would a heathen vote for Ruth? That is the stupidest thing a heathen could have done. It would be an easy vote for her team matters to use to look civ. I voted the way I decided in that split second and I have no regrets about my vote. You are declaring isaac good based on my late vote in part. Consider if I am civ, what does that mean for isaac? I am civ.

I have to agree with Absalom and Bathsheba. You didn't answer the question. Your lack of defense is very suspicious too.

Samuel wrote:No. You all have already decided to lynch me so do it. Then see how badly you have played this game. The mafia deserve to win frankly. I'm done talking.

Absalom wrote:What I don't get about Samuel is why he is SO quick to throw in the towel.

Stephen wrote:It's because Samuel isn't bad.

Or is it b/c he wants us to THINK he isn't bad. Feel sorry for him and think he is civ.

Jacob wrote:
@Esther- I really would recommend reading the thread. It's essential for participating and contributing reasonably, and it just ends up awkward for you when you comment on stuff you didn't pay attention to. For instance, if you had been paying attention you might have noticed that Spacedaisy actually voted by accident, and so Absalom was commenting on that. I wasn't going to fault you for not remembering that Isaac mentioned replacing in several days ago, and I understand being busy and having to skim a page or two, but you could at least try your best to read as much as possible before posting and having no idea what you're talking about.

I mostly read, partly skim, I never totally skip posts. I don't always retain all the info I read either, sorry. I am not always around at the end of the day to see the results in the poll. Also, to see the results, I have to click "view results" and I don't always do that as I am reading.

Absalom wrote:I am happy now. Who are we lynching today? Lazarus? Isaac?

I'll be honest, the late train on Isaac (looking at you, Spacedaisy) makes me not want to vote for him very much.

Spacedaisy? This made me think maybe Absalom is MP. Which made the next couple of posts hilarious to me picturing MP talking to himself through separate accounts

MovingPictures07 wrote:Seriously, that song starts playing in my head every time I see your name, Absalom.

Bathsheba wrote:
Esther i think you are just mad at me because i directed Absalom's question to you. I thought it was the fair thing to do - give you a chance to answer first. You seemed defensive at the time and now you just seem to be trying to find reasons to find me bad. I don't understand why you would doubt Epi subbed me in for Bathsheba 1.0. This happens all the time in games. And now you doubt Isaac is a replacement? Funny you never mentioned that before now.

No, not mad at you at all. What did Absalom ask that you directed at me? And no, i think my case on you is legit.

I am not now doubting Isaac's replacement. I don't remember reading of his replacement, honestly. I know its not honorable, but I don't read every word, every post made in a game. I just simply don't have the time. I skim if I am behind and I do miss things.

Lot wrote:Also, it's possible Lazarus is tactically not voting some days, such as yesterday. The Zealot's role says:

"for each Day in a row that he votes the same person, his vote increases by one."

What's unclear to me is - epi, you could help her - If the zealot takes a day off from voting the same person, does their vote reset to being worth one?

Does that mean he gains a vote against him or does that mean his vote becomes worth 2, then 3, then 4, etc. Because if his vote increases, then why would he skip voting?

I agree about Samuel's voting record as well and would backup Lot and Absalom by voting there. But I am willing to hear him out as well.

Jacob wrote:What, Esther? We know Isaac was replaced. I'm sure that's what Bathsheba was referring to. With Isaac Epig didn't make any announcement or take him off the poll as I recall, Isaac himself told us that he was "2.0". I have no trouble believing the same is true of Bathsheba.


Anyway I'm gonna go ahead and vote for Ruth. *crosses fingers that she doesn't blow up in my face*

And you believe him?

yeah, so no one is concerned how Bath KNOWS that someone else was replaced? And none of use do?

The whole Ruth thing, should we vote her, should we not? I just don't even know. I could go both ways on it. I understand both points of view. But, I think my final thoughts are that we should leave it be for today.

Rahab wrote:
Also, not that I feel particularly strongly about it, but I was thinking about it on the way home from work: Bathsheba has had an unusual "replacement" situation if she was indeed replaced. She's still up on the poll, and there was no host announcement of her replacement, which is generally the norm. I thought it was weird when Esther asked her where she'd been when Bathsheba had just explained it, but then I considered that slim possibility that Bathsheba 2.0 could be Bathsheba 1.0 sneaking her way back into the game.

THIS. SO THIS! I was wondering if anyone else was thinking this. I did talk about how if someone is replaced that they are not able to be lynched/killed for a whole phase. Then, I think Absalom said something like...well she is on the poll. I think she has to be faking it. I bet she was a baddie laying low and now she feels she needs to step up her game, come out of the woodwork and actually play. And I know she "better explains" in another post but I just don't think its genuine. She also says this:

Bathsheba wrote:There is someone else who is a sub and it was discovered because his style was different than the first iteration (I think it was Isaac but not certain). Epi didn't announce that sub either, you guys just figured it out on your own.

Who are you talking about, and how do you even know this info? Do you have a BTS baddie group and one of your teammates were replaced?

Bathsheba wrote:

Deborah wrote:Only here for a second, but is there any reason not to lynch Ruth? Why are others getting votes?

There is some feeling that voting for her will bring some bad consequence like it might kill one of the people her voted for her. Or that she's really Belsh and has something bad planned. I'm almost positive I'm voting for her though.

Almost positive, eh? I am voting for you today. I can't help but not.

Bathsheba wrote:

Absalom wrote:
What do people make of Esther's top suspects being the people with the best voting records all game? Nefarious, or just not paying attention?

Before I answer the question I would like to know what Esther has to say: Esther how do you explain that your top suspects are the people with the best voting records all game?

I suspected Pilate a lot. And I actually did a breakdown of his voting record earlier on (I don't remember what day exactly). But I explained each vote and why I thought he was bad b/c of his votes and posts.

Who else do you see me suspecting with "good" voting records?

Also, Bathsheba, how do you explain your quiet behavior. You have less than one full page of in topic quotes. You've barely participated this game. And now you are going to come out of hiding and start asking questions? You've actually been in the back of my mind for a while now. I've mentioned you once or twice as suspicious but I haven't developed any case on you b/c you leave us with almost nothing to dissect. You asking me about my suspicions of people has reminded me that you are in this game. Why are you all of a sudden speaking up?

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Well, this sounds fake:

Isaac wrote:Yeaaah. I'm with you there Absalom.

He was agreeing with Absalom that we should vote for Ruth but then he doesn't vote.

Lot wrote:
I think Ruth is probably Heathen, I just think she either a) won't die and we will waste another day or b) one or more civilians will die instead. We are messing with DEATH here.

Isn't it normal practice that when people are rezzed they cannot be killed or lynch fro a whole phase?

Absalom wrote:
I don't think Lot is a Heathen. I think Lazarus would have been NKed if Lot were a Heathen. But he wanted to protect Belshazzar and now he wants to protect Ruth, both of which are irrational in my opinion. It's very strange.

"Very strange." So what do you take from it?

What an interesting day that was.

Ruth wrote:I object. I have 48 hours to convince you I am reformed. I shall have it

And I live with my mother in law, you should read my book; I am about loyalty. But I still can't get a word in edgewise with that blessed woman; I intend to talk quite extensively, Pilate.

She's right, you know, about the book of Ruth. I just hope we can trust her as she says.

Belshazzar wrote:
Thank you, Esther. Although I'm not sure spreaded votes will do much to not get lynched either. Didn't you vote Isaac yesterday? Do you think he would have been a mislynch?

That being said, if I will be beyond save, I will probably vote Rebecca, maybe that'll raise awareness or something. I remember another good guy, called Jeph, who did just that before dying...



I have been voting Pilate and Isaac, mostly Pilate. I know I should have voted Isaac. That was my fault. I didn't think about the spreading until after voting. I almost mentioned this in another post too, but got busy and haven't been back looking at the thread until now. I'm sorry. I really hope others will come in here and save you. Also, now that I think about it, I should have asked you who you would want me to vote for before voting. I trust you that much.

Bah! I got logged out and lost my whole post!

Belshazzar wrote:
I don't see what's so scummy about Balaam's post. Since I'm not one of them, it's perfectly true that the Heathens will wagon or even push for my lynch. I'll get lynched, they will get to night kill, player field reduced by two.



I'll just say that I agree with this. And other than Absalom, I have had my eye on the players that have voted for Belsh already (Jacob, Pilate, Isaac). I just don't see how Belsh is Heathen. I am voting Pilate. Again.

YAY! Bye Mordy. Another one down!

Samuel wrote:Why did Mordecai throw off his vote when he could have saved himself?

My thoughts exactly.

I am confused by the Samson vote as well.

Lazarus wrote:LOT MUST DIE! So I am voting for him.

Why must he die?

Thanks for the feedback. I will go with Isaac today. I do think his self vote is strange and I like Lot's case.

I hate to spread more votes, but I would like to vote one of my top three. Lot, Abs, Balaam, I am trusting you this game....what do you suggest?

Lot wrote:So Isaac's response to my case is a self-vote.

Stuff like that is frustrating.

I voted Lazarus at the very start of the day. I did mention it (at least I'm pretty sure I did).

I agree. If you are civ, try and defend yourself at least. Help our your team, you know. Don't just give up!

Pilate wrote:I think that a Mordecai vote will give us some good information right now.

Maybe, but I don't trust you at all, so......

Balaam wrote:
Who is everyone's top three suspects right now? Here are mine:

1. Jacob
2. Deborah
3. Mordecai

I feel more strongly about who I trust more easily than say who I suspect. That said,

1. Pilate
2. Isaac
3. Jacob
and I am going to add 4.Mordy only b/c his vote record. I think he's been pretty helpful in the thread though. I have seen civs have shitty voting records and get lynched b/c of it.

Belsh, Balaam, Lot, I appreciate your most recent analyses. I have just skimmed them as of now but will fully read it all by the end of today in time for the lynch. I still think Pilate is bad as I have stated a case on him before. I will read him individually again as well and see if there is anything to add.

Absalom wrote:
Pilate
Day 1: First vote for Uzziah when the highest vote-taker has two. Incredibly ballsy Day 1 play if bad.
Day 2: Missed.
Day 3: Missed.
Day 4: First vote for Rachel.
Day 5: First vote for Uzziah. Clears him in my mind.
Day 6: First vote for me.
Day 7: Second vote for Jonathan.
Day 8: First vote for Jonathan.

Observations
Pilate is unimpeachable.

What do you mean he's unimpeachable?

Absalom wrote:

Balaam wrote: From here, I think what we need to do is make vote analyses for every player left in the game. Then we need to look at those in conjunction with my technicolor lists and see which three or four look the worst or the most likely to be strategically Heathen. Then we need to discuss those players Day 9.

I'm with you on this. I'll start, alphabetically, with you, Bathsheba and Belshazzar.

Thanks so much for the vote analyses. I see you skipped your own :P

In all seriousness though, I do believe using voting records is a smart idea as we move forward.

I am on the fence about lynching those who are not active like Bathsheba and Judah? They could possible be bad, but if they aren't then we aren't helping ourselves at at. There is power in numbers even if they aren't helping, right? What do you all think about it?

Hmm, sorry Jonathan.

Absalom wrote:

Esther wrote:RIP Jeph.

Absalom wrote:I'm a little surprised at the late push on Geoff. All day it was all Jacob all the time and then Jacob takes one lousy vote? Where did the enthusiasm for a Geoff lynched come from?

And before anyone jumps down my throat, I know a couple of people have suspected Geoff for a while, but not nearly the number that voted for him. I will have to look into this carefully ere morning comes.

So are you thinking we ought to look at Jeph voters then? Ad do you think they were trying to save Jonathan?

I don't know yet. Give me the night to sleep and think about it. I still think Jonathan is bad news though.

Stephen wrote:I agree completely with Absalom. I still think Jonathan is bad. No idea why we lynched Jep yesterday.

votes Jonathan

I really think Jonathan is a good bet. He was 6th to vote for Jeph but 19th to vote overall. If he turns out bad, it will give us a small number of people (Jeph voters - Lot, Rebecca, Balaam, Sam, Laz) to look at next and and we are sure to catch at least one more baddie right away. Obviously they are not all bad, but if Jonathan is bad, I bet at least one of the others is too. I am going to go ahead and place my vote on Jonathan today.

RIP Jeph.

Absalom wrote:I'm a little surprised at the late push on Geoff. All day it was all Jacob all the time and then Jacob takes one lousy vote? Where did the enthusiasm for a Geoff lynched come from?

And before anyone jumps down my throat, I know a couple of people have suspected Geoff for a while, but not nearly the number that voted for him. I will have to look into this carefully ere morning comes.

So are you thinking we ought to look at Jeph voters then? Ad do you think they were trying to save Jonathan?

I voted for Pilate as I said I probably would.

Absalom wrote:

Jonathan wrote:

Absalom wrote:Jonathan, why are you so bad?

I am not bad. What would make you think I am?

Your voting record.

Day 1: You were the 5th vote for Samson, when it was safe and obvious thta no one else was going to get lynched.

Day 2: The third vote for Uzziah, after 7 votes were on Cain. A safe cover vote on a teammate.

Day 3: The second vote for Lazarus when Uzziah had three. You wanted to lynch Uzziah the day before. Here was your chance, but you voted for someone else.

Day 4: The 8th vote for Job. Safe and bandwagony.

Day 5: The 4th vote for Uzziah. Now that it is clear he's going down, might as well join in.

Day 6: The first vote for Jacob after Ruth had four. This is your least incriminating vote. I think you just wanted to stay away from what was going down.

I caught Ruth using her voting record. I'll catch you the same way.

I can see Jonathan being a good lynch candidate but I think Pilate is better. I've got a feelin' I'm not the only one.

Jacob wrote:Hmm, not sure where I stand on Jonathan. I still feel like I can trust Absalom but I don't necessarily trust his gut, and Jon's defenses read genuine and again I'm afraid he's in a similar boat as I was... Idk, I could see him either way. I don't really like that he's no-u'ing on Abs though.

Pilate though. Pilate is not looking good. Wtf even was that last post of his? So weird.

So Jacob, lets have some fun. I amuse myself.

HAHA....I didn't even see Pilate's most recent post until now. "good job guys, maybe Absalom is okay afterall." Yeah, maybe :P

Alright folks. I know I have been mostly quiet. But like I said, I am an observer in the beginning of full games. I think I can now come forth with my first true suspicion. Pilate.

His behavior in the thread has lead me to reread his posts from start to finish (which didn't take very long actually).

First of all, he missed Day 0 entirely - didn't post, didn't vote. He comes in Day 1 and says he didn't realize the game had started. So, for over 48 hours he was oblivious that the game had started? Unlikely. He comes in on Day 1 and is the 6th person to vote altogether, but first to vote for Uzziah. Well, Uzz was bad you say? Yes, but Uzz had no votes at the time. Lot had 1 vote at the time, Samuel had 2. I see Pilate's Day 1 vote for a teammate as trying to gain civ cred.

Day 2 - Says if he would have he would have voted Marth Day 2 (but he couldn't 'cause she was then dead). In the same post he says he is still suspicious of Uzz and will probably vote him, but ends up voting Job (Uzz' rival) instead.

Day 3 - misses vote entirely

Day 4 - Votes Rachel. He quotes a case made from Belshazzar and jumps on that train. However, the case that Belsh made wasn't very convincing enough for anyone else or even for Belsh himself as he voted Uzz that day (Belsh did, I mean). I think Pilate was just looking for something to grasp onto so he could keep from voting his own beloved Uzz.

Pilate wrote:I'm shocked that I don't have more suspicion by now. So this is the life of an unforgivably low poster.

This is where my suspicion of Pilate began. This post here made me look into him in the first place. It looks like he is trying to hard to apologize for not being helpful to the cause of getting baddies.

Day 5 - Pilate talks about how he'd been MIA. He wonders where the suspicion of Rachel went.

Pilate wrote:Uzziah has no reason at all to think I'm Civ, unless he's bad.

Pilate wrote:How could anyone "read" me as Civ with the way I've been playing. Hardly here, and when I am here, I say sketchy things.

These quote stands out to me. He admits his behavior thus far should be seen as baddie behavior. I think that he thinks by admitting this we will think he is civ, but not me. And I think he uses the first quote to distance from Uzz again as he is the first to vote for him and the first to vote altogether if you don't count host/non/dead option. It bit him in the ass, however when people began to follow his crazy behavior and Uzz got the most votes that day.

Day 6 - Now he just plays dumb.

Pilate wrote:What happened to the night? We lynched Uzziah, and went straight into another lynch?

AND...he votes for Absalom, the first to vote for his teammate, Ruth.

Pilate will most likely get my vote today.

It's good to look at voting records and I appreciate all the work some of you have done looking into them and reporting your findings. However I I cannot get past Pilate's posts.

Absalom wrote:

Pilate wrote:Epignosis is bigger than Jesus!

Absalom was part of Uzziah's scheme, as I laid out before. He is a Heathen teammate. That's how these schemes work. *votes Absalom*

What trickery is this?

Here's the post where you "laid it out" before.

Pilate wrote:Go ahead and vote me, Isaac, if you wish. I'm a Civ.

Deborah wrote:@Pilate, I'm still catching up, but can you expand on your vote post? So Uzziah says he thinks you and Absalom are civvie, so you think they are bad for it? That's quite confusing, tbh.

Uzziah has no reason to think I'm Civ. How could anyone "read" me as Civ with the way I've been playing. Hardly here, and when I am here, I say sketchy things.

He knows I'm Civ because he is bad. He's planting seeds so that if I get lynched and flip Civ, he looks good... and if he gets lynched and flips bad, I look bad.

If Uzziah were lynched and flipped bad, the intention is for people to return to this post and read it with the knowledge that he's bad. So then Absalom and I look bad. I'm more likely to be lynched than Absalom, that's my opinion anyway. So then I flip Civ, and Absalom isn't an instant target anymore. Maybe even thought of as Civ for it. Could be a distancing thing between Uzziah and Absalom, both baddies. Maybe not, it's my theory.

And yeah, I forgot to vote in the poll earlier. I saw the 'suaded post, and I was like "damn, I forgot!" and went and completed the vote as I had intended to.

You go from "oh it's my theory, maybe not, shrug" to "He is a Heathen teammate" in two posts. Why the sudden increase in certainty? I don't fully understand the convolutions of your theory, but I think it's fairly obvious that I cannot be Uzziah's teammate.

Weak! So weak, Pilate. I am voting Pilate.