The Syndicate

Gonna be occupied for most of the weekend starting very soon. Peterman, that vote on me is as rotten as a week-old herring. I didn't think you were bad, and I know I'm not bad, so why go for me other than that I'm the number two suspect on Jerry's list and thus the easiest mislynch?

It's got to be either George or Peterman, then. I'm good, and Uncle Leo's weirdo self-vote actually worked to help lynch a baddie.

Jerry Seinfeld wrote: ↑Wed Oct 18, 2017 8:24 pm

Frank Costanza wrote: ↑Wed Oct 18, 2017 8:22 pm It looks like nobody else is going on George, so I'll switch to Whatley. I can see the argument for him being bad, even though my gut says he's not. And obviously my gut has been wrong on several different occasions this game.

Is there anyone for whom you cannot see the argument for their being bad? Disregard Elaine, Steinbrenner, and I.

Other than me? I think Peterman is having fun roleplaying and isn't worried enough to be mafia. Anyone else is fair game, particularly Leo for that self-vote nonsense.

Linki: WTH?
Linki: And my gut was wrong! Hooray for listening to people!

It looks like nobody else is going on George, so I'll switch to Whatley. I can see the argument for him being bad, even though my gut says he's not. And obviously my gut has been wrong on several different occasions this game.

Tim Whatley wrote: ↑Wed Oct 18, 2017 7:23 pm Regarding this, would you say that this makes sense following my reveal of this being a pressure vote or not? How was my vote supposed to be transparent, when I had no real reason for it other than for observation? I want to know why you are valuing transparency here as it seems to be irrelevant to me.

Your vote would have been transparent if you said up front that it was for pressure, rather than for some unspecified reason about Peterman's 7 posts that had been "said already." I'm valuing transparency because mafia have more reasons to lie in this game.

Jerry Seinfeld wrote: ↑Wed Oct 18, 2017 7:00 pm

Frank Costanza wrote: ↑Wed Oct 18, 2017 6:56 pmThe part of the Jackie ISO I liked best was this:

I like that he's willing to state disagreement with Jerry unprompted here, but I would like to hear more on why Jackie had these thoughts about Estelle at the time. There is no prior mention of her in his posts.

That got me thinking about Jackie trying to lead Jerry further down the road to incorrect suspects. Because all of the people in his "What's Up With" tier at that point (including me) are/were civ. Jackie might have thought that, if he flipped bad, that interaction with me and Estelle would create more follow-up interest.

I don't follow exactly -- you say "best part of the Jackie ISO", but the quote features Jackie's name. I don't think he spoke in the third person. Whaddya mean?

That quote came from Steinbrenner; I meant that's the part of Stein's thought process I liked the most.

Jerry Seinfeld wrote: ↑Wed Oct 18, 2017 6:38 pm Frank, I don't understand what's happening in that post. Do you trust Whatley or not?

Ah, I realize my quote placement there wasn't clear. My statements apply to the quotes below them. Which means that, in the balance, I trust Whately.

Jerry Seinfeld wrote: ↑Wed Oct 18, 2017 6:42 pm Frank, please talk to me about Steinbrenner.

I haven't read through all of his material, but I feel like his effort is genuine. His thought process on Whately is similar to my own ("his two claims of reaction baiting don't really address the underlying thought process of his gameplay"), but he ends up on the other side of the coin based on his own gut judgement. He's correct with his ID of me as civilian, and that's a hard claim.

The part of the Jackie ISO I liked best was this:

I like that he's willing to state disagreement with Jerry unprompted here, but I would like to hear more on why Jackie had these thoughts about Estelle at the time. There is no prior mention of her in his posts.

That got me thinking about Jackie trying to lead Jerry further down the road to incorrect suspects. Because all of the people in his "What's Up With" tier at that point (including me) are/were civ. Jackie might have thought that, if he flipped bad, that interaction with me and Estelle would create more follow-up interest.

Alright, I'm back, SERENITY NOW'ed, and ready to vote for George now that Jerry has also seen the light. Will look at Whately just to be fair.

He looks to me like a civilian being thrown into the game and wanting to engage with the main posters, make sure they didn't escape suspicion. That both of those main posters have turned out to look eminently civ is just the way the game unfolded.

Joining in Day 2 I was very much fixated on Elaine and Jerry. So much so that I've decided to take a step back and review other leads and questions I have.

The thing that looks worst to me is this.

Regarding my Peterman vote without much reason, truth is there was none other than me wanting to gauge reactions. I figured if Peterman was bad, I should pressure vote and see who scrambles. This didn't happen

That's after previously defending the vote with this:

Interesting. What should I say over his 7 posts that hasn't been said already?

That strikes me as a lack of transparency, which isn't a great look at this point in the game, when we're all really scrambling to solve and avoid LYLO. My gut says it's good for him to come clean rather than fabricate a reason, but I realize that's open to interpretation.

In summary, I still think George is a stronger suspect based on what he's said about Estelle and Jackie.

VENGEANCE IS OURS! Estelle can rest in peace tonight. Now to get started on the rest of you hoodlums.

I honestly think George is a good target for the next lynch based on interaction reads with Jackie, and I'll tell you why:

George Costanza

Jackie Chiles
Cosmo Kramer
George Steinbrenner
Uncle Leo
Jerry Seinfeld
Jackie Chiles
Elaine Benes
The Soup Nazi
Estelle Costanza
Frank Costanza
Estelle Costanza
Jerry Seinfeld
Elaine Benes
Uncle Leo
J Peterman
Jackie Chiles

Pretty even number of positive and negative stuff here. In contrast to my previous two analyses, this amount of 'vouching' makes me feel suspicious. Mafia know who's not bad, and I could see him finding it easier to be honest when giving opinions, if he's bad. On the other hand, Estelle was his biggest suspect, so why night kill her in that case? Where would that leave him?

That bit about Estelle now reads like pure covering. George never said anything about Estelle being his "biggest suspect." That's exaggeration by a teammate, buried in a long post with analysis of several others. Then, he later starts distancing from George, calling him his own strongest suspect.

If Elaine is telling the truth, we have a cut and dried case. If she's not, we at least get more intelligence from a Jackie flip than a Peterman flip. *votes Jackie*

Jerry Seinfeld wrote: ↑Sun Oct 15, 2017 3:48 pm Frank Costanza's post history has become quite frustrating. The tunnel on son George is hard to understand given that he hasn't explained it much apart from George's periods of absence. Moreover, it's all he's bloody done lately. I really hope that's not civilian work. Come on y'all, the game can easily still be won.

I gave you a hypothesis, Jerry!

It's just the kind of sick, twisted thing he'd do after putting her on his baddie list, especially after providing no reason. She was a suspect he couldn't defend if he got asked, so he knocked her off to avoid being asked about her. And he was even the last one seen at her bedside!

And as far as I can tell, George still hasn't given a good reason for that baddie listing. Too buys moving on to the next victim, probably.

You and the Soup Nazi seem to have gotten in quite the wrestling match yourselves. One of you've got to be civ, because there's no way two mafia would spend all that energy putting on a show. Given the effort you're both showing, you may even both be civ.

I think Big Stein's analysis of the lawyer has a lot of merit. And not just because he's black. I mean, not because he's black at all! But one thing you missed, Steinbrenner: he did mention Estelle before challenging Jerry.

On another not, rereading Estelle's three posts, I find it satisfying to read them in her roleplaying voice. It works despite her admission that she doesn't know how.

Not sure what to make of that, other than that he's mentioning her to mention her.

Jerry, you're dead wrong and I know it. Doing a hell of a job ordering the town conversation to bad ends there.

My son hasn't said a thing today. Maybe he needs to get wrestled?! *votes George Costanza*

George Steinbrenner wrote: ↑Fri Oct 13, 2017 9:14 pm

Frank Costanza wrote: ↑Fri Oct 13, 2017 9:07 pm ESTELLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE?!?!?!?!?!?!?

No! It can't be! My wife is dead because of you animals! She would drive me up a wall, but she was being quiet around you people, and now someone thought it was worth shutting her up even more.

Only people she mentioned before she passed that might get up to such a thing were Jerry, David Puddy (who I agreed with), the lawyer, and George. She even put in a good word for the Soup Man! The Soup Nazi, who people think is as bad as the actual Nazis!

SERENITY NOW!

I gotta take a breather. Right now, my gut says there's something in looking at those mentions, but I don't know what yet.

The Soup Nazi? Who thinks the Soup Nazi's bad. I don't see anyone gathering up their pitchforks to go after that man, Frank. I welcome your investigations though. It can't be easy to lose such a fine woman, that Estelle. Look into your suspects and tell Big Stein what you think.

SERENITY NOW! SERENITY NOW!

Now that I've gained a little bit of perspective back, I realize the Soup Nazi's been knocked down a few rungs on the suspect list, especially by Jerry and Uncle Leo.

Of those remaining, I hate to say it, but my gut says my son. It's just the kind of sick, twisted thing he'd do after putting her on his baddie list, especially after providing no reason. She was a suspect he couldn't defend if he got asked, so he knocked her off to avoid being asked about her. And he was even the last one seen at her bedside!

ESTELLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE?!?!?!?!?!?!?

No! It can't be! My wife is dead because of you animals! She would drive me up a wall, but she was being quiet around you people, and now someone thought it was worth shutting her up even more.

Only people she mentioned before she passed that might get up to such a thing were Jerry, David Puddy (who I agreed with), the lawyer, and George. She even put in a good word for the Soup Man! The Soup Nazi, who people think is as bad as the actual Nazis!

SERENITY NOW!

I gotta take a breather. Right now, my gut says there's something in looking at those mentions, but I don't know what yet.

I ain't changing my mind. Especially when that snot-nosed Puddy thinks he can take a piece of me! *votes Puddy*

I think you're all barking up the wrong tree with the Soup Nazi, and I'll be a monkey's ass if I let him go down. Already didn't like that Puddy guy, so here goes nothing. *votes David Puddy*

The Soup Nazi wrote: ↑Wed Oct 11, 2017 5:54 pm You lack an actual tone.

The soup man has some spunk! I'm getting heated just thinking about it! Serenity now. SERENITY NOW!

David Puddy wrote: ↑Wed Oct 11, 2017 6:45 pm **Squinches nose as Mr. Soup**

And then this guy comes in here, saying he'll have some dirt on the Soup Man, and follows up with a nonsense gesture. You want to put a man in his place, you put up your fists! You don't dodge like a little girl!

Puddy, you've got less content in thread than a Chinese sweatshop T-shirt. And you're tunneling on the Nazi like a rat. I don't like it one bit.

Linki: All suspicious? Even the ones with just pictures? You suspicious of Goodnight Moon too?

Jerry Seinfeld wrote: ↑Wed Oct 11, 2017 4:21 pm Back from an early dinner with Naomi. Good lord that laugh of hers.

Spoiler: show

I have grievances to air about both Costanza parents. We got nothing all day!

I'm sorry I can't be at your beck and call, Jerry. After Assman kicked the bucket, I've been left to work on the man-ziere all by myself. It's enough to drive a person crazy, I tell you!

George, I'm disappointed you. Why don't you stop crying and fight your father face to face, like aman? Listing Kramer as good on Night 1, then knocking him out, would be an excellent way to establish some civilian cred. Especially when you're also buddying up to that goody-two-shoes Jerry Seinfeld.

I think that Mr. Steinbrenner has a good head on his shoulders. Can't manage his team out of a paper bag, but his heart's in the right place. He's following up on questions, asking the right ones about David Puddy and Elaine. Even if it takes him a few minutes to get there in any given conversation.

Anyway, I've been waiting for hours for dinner. Estelle was supposed to make some fusilli, but of course she's nowhere to be found...



ASSMAN! I'LL GIVE HIM ASSMAN!

*votes Kramer*

George Costanza wrote: ↑Mon Oct 09, 2017 2:19 pm Hi, I'm George. I'm unemployed and I live with my parents.

As if we needed any more proof you're a good-for-nothing bum! Didn't bother showing up at all to the Mafia for the first day of it.

Elaine Benes wrote: ↑Mon Oct 09, 2017 5:34 pm

The Soup Nazi wrote: ↑Mon Oct 09, 2017 4:39 pm Hiding? I've been serving soup behind a counter for nine hours already today.

Except for you. Know why?

NO SOUP FOR YOU

You're through, Soup Nazi. Pack it up. No more soup for you. Next!

Vote The Soup Nazi

You leave that Nazi alone. He's a man after my own heart. For the delicious soup, I mean. Not the Nazi part. We used to fight Nazis back in the Army. At least, the Army used to fight Nazis. You know what I'm saying! George, get me some damn soup!

Jerry Seinfeld wrote: ↑Sun Oct 08, 2017 4:00 pm Alright people, let's go, chop chop.

Don't get smart with me, Puffy Shirt man! Although now that I think about it, I haven't heard a peep from my good-for-nothing son. Stop crying and fight your father!

Estelle too, get in here.

Welcome, newcomers! The tradition of Mafia begins with the airing of grievances. I got a lot of problems with you people what killed Susan, and now you're gonna hear about it!