The Syndicate

Phoebe Buffay

For some reason I was under the impression that we had until tomorrow, but I see the poll ends tonight. I'm going to try to catch up properly

Phoebe Buffay

Sorry for the typos in my last post, my spellchecker isn't working for some reason and I'm writing fast, so I miss letters
Here it is, I wasn't sure it was Deborah or Ruth

Ruth wrote:
Jephthah wrote:And Lot, do I need to quote your flip floppiness where you start by thinking I'm bad and choose me as your top suspect, continue with saying you completely changed your mind, only to come back and accuse me again?
I thought changing your mind is not allowed. It's a baddie tell.

And now I'm really out.
Since when is changing your mind always bad? As things change, new evidence comes to light, perhaps colored by night results as well. Or if someone puts up a good defense. Lots of valid reasons for mind changing. I get your point, flopping like a fish is not the same as just mind changing. Do you really think he's bad, or is this a No U sort of thing?

And wow, the WIFOM in Uzziahs post.

Here Ruth takes one part of my post and ignores the context which it was said in. Maybe I should have used Saecastic orange, but if you read the entire post, you wouldn't make that mistake. I was sarcastically replying to Lot who accused me of changing my mind by reminding him that he went back and forth on me as well.

Could Ruth be subtly adding another bad thing to paint me as a baddie? I wonder

Phoebe Buffay

Lot, you're right, I was calling you a heypocrit, but I sure as hell wasn't doing a NO U.
If it's not changing my mind or showing a "schizophrenic" behaviour like you call it, what exactly is it that you're accusing me of?

If like you say, I knew they were both civvies, which is something I still don't know, why appear so wishy washy?
Yes, I said I wasn't ready to vote Balaam, and if I were a baddie, why the hell would I do something that was so conradicting? Why not just put my vote on Samuel who had no votes and appear much better to everyone?

Why? Because I genuinely thought it was an attempted save. I wrote the post you quoted about Ballam because while he seemed good to me most of the times, I've been fooled by those doing and saying exactly the "right" things, and I thought Absalom and especially Nico were bringing up logical points. I was acknoledging that this might be the case, yet I wasn't ready to vote him. But then, when Samuel did what he did, it was like an alarm went off, and I saw things differently.

And again, Samuel didn't try to save the person Absalom voted for. He voted for someone he never said he was suspicious of, so when the person Absalom voted for had only 3 votes, and all was open, why vote for Job? Why not look for a better option? All it would take is 2 more votes to tie it, not to mention there was Job who already had 4 votes. So Balaam at that time wasn't at such a risk of being lynched.
Why didn't I vote earlier? If you look at all my posts before the lynch, you will see that I tried talking about it ever since Samuel voted. I was even annoyed with people voting without addressing what I said and wasting their votes. So don't you dare tell me this was the same as Samuel, who just came in, threw out his ridiculous reason and voted without waiting a second to discuss this with others.

And whoever reads it, don't read 2 sentences and then take them out of context to try to manipulate it like someone who I'll find in a minute did.

Phoebe Buffay

And Lot, do I need to quote your flip floppiness where you start by thinking I'm bad and choose me as your top suspect, continue with saying you completely changed your mind, only to come back and accuse me again?
I thought changing your mind is not allowed. It's a baddie tell.

And now I'm really out.

Phoebe Buffay

I really don't want to be here now and do this, but it's annoying me.

I wanted to vote Samuel. People kept coming in and voting for other people. No one listened to me. I didn't want to waste my vote, so I ended up voting for Balaam who I thought Samuel was trying to save.

As for the Paul thing from the beginning of the game, I was trying to enjoy the game. I was not defending Paul, but rather questioning those going after him, as well as questioning Paul himself. Excuse me for doing what I think civvies should do in a game of mafia

Phoebe Buffay

Hi, Real life has taken a turn lately, so I don't know how much I'll be here, but I'll do my best.

I see I'm the number one suspect. I find it laughable that defending Job and saying I wouldn't vote for him because I didn't feel he's bad, and then watching others come in and vote for him for very dubious reasons, making me believe that was an attempted save thus voting for the one I thought was being saved, makes me bad.
I'm a flip flopper, deal with it. I don't come into the day thinking x is bad, I'm going to vote for x and then do it no matter what happens. I judge by the minute and I watch interactions, and that's how I decide.

I'm going to argue with anyone who claims I did exactly what I accused Samuel of doing. I thought Samuel was saving Ballam, and was therefore bad, but I didn't vote for him because by that time Job already had 5 votes and I wanted to save him. By my judgement, if Balam and Samuel were both bad, voting for Balam who had 3 votes was more likely to save Job, because Samuel had none and most people had already voted.

Just to make it clear, when Samuel voted, Job had 4 votes, Balam had 3, Absalom had 1. Not that much of a difference, and if you notice, 10 people voted after Samuel had, so convincing people Absalom was bad and getting them to vote for him was not that far fetched. Yet he chose to vote for Job, thus making the difference between Job and Balaam bigger.
In contrast, when I voted, it was much later and closer to the end of the day. Only 4 people voted after I did. How was voting Samuel going to help Job and get a baddie?

linki: Sure, not being sold on a player and actually contemplating while you go, makes you bad. Good job Stephen, you caught me

Phoebe Buffay

I'm out of town and cant post. Will be back tomorrow. Dont vote for me. Not bad

Phoebe Buffay

I have to go out. I voted Balaam. If I'm wrong, I'm sorry, but Samuel's vote just reaked scumminess.

linki: I hope so too

Phoebe Buffay

Ruth, I don't think Rachel is bad either. I do think Samuel is, just because of how he chose to vote and excused it, but there's not point in voting him now. We need to get a baddie and if Job is a civ, we need to save him.
I'm hoping I'm wrong and all his voters are right

Phoebe Buffay

I'm voting Balaam. Mostly because I think there was an attempted save by Samuel. I don't think Job is bad. If he is, you'll happily go after me.

Judah: Because that vote won't matter now with so many votes for Job. Maybe Balaam would get more votes.

Rachel: What do you mean?

Phoebe Buffay

Job wrote:I can't believe I'm being lynched before Uzziah but I hope you'll finally lynch that bastard and his scum buddy Rachel the next two days.

I voted for Rachel.

You know you're good, and should have no idea what Balaam is, yet you're voting Rachel who has very little chance of getting lynched? What the hell?

I'm done. I have no idea what people here are doing. Whatever. If Job doesn't care that he's lynched, then I don't either.

linki: Definitely bad form. I said he was rude. Based on his vote, maybe he's even bad, and I' have no idea what I'm talking about

Phoebe Buffay

Balshazzar, being rude to people is not what most people do to gain credit and make them trust you. So the fact Job did that, just makes me think he's a frustrated civvie.
This is great. If he turns out bad, I'm going to be lynched next, but I don't think he's bad

Phoebe Buffay

Rachel wrote:
Jephthah wrote:If there's anyone who hasn't voted yet, how about we vote Samuel?
How has this gone with Cain and Mary Mageline?
Jephthah wrote:I'm almost tempted to think Samuel voted with that awful reasoning in an attempt to save Balaam. If he was so suspicious of Absalom, why not vote for him? Job only had 4 votes and Balaam 3 when Samuel voted. And notice how Balaam never talks about Samuel
A lot of people haven't talked about Samuel because Samuel hasn't been relevant for days.

Nicodemus wrote:If Job flips civ, it will be worth considering a possible save of Balaam was in effect.
True.

This is not the same as Mary and Cain, and I didn't even vote for Cain. This is different because there was almost a tie, and it was just 3 to 4. Absalom had one vote already at that time. Samuel could have easily voted for Absalom if he distrusts him so much. Yet he voted for Job. You think Job is bad, so you're blinded by that

Phoebe Buffay

Ruth wrote:
Jephthah wrote:
Ruth wrote:I am going to vote Uzziah. I think he's bad, and have for a while.
HOw's it going to help? Why are you not dealing with the issue at hand?
How is voting for someone you suspect not helpful? We have a voting record, and we can use that info.

I am voting for the person I most believe to be guilty. I understand the case on Job, but i just don't think he's bad. And I think most of the other suspicions are mountain/molehill stuff. That's cool when you can change votes and unvote, but for a permanent vote, I prefer to vote for someone I actually suspect. I do the voice in the wilderness thing quite a lot, actually. I think Uzziah is bad news.

If by the issue at hand you mean Balaams fucking question, I answered that.

No, I meant the two top suspects, and what I said about Samuel maybe trying to save Balaam

Phoebe Buffay

Where is Balshazzar? I want to hear his thoughts on this before I vote. I kind of trust him

Phoebe Buffay

I don't believe I'm doing it, but I think I'm voting Balaam. I am so freaking pinged by Samuel's vote

Phoebe Buffay

Ruth wrote:I am going to vote Uzziah. I think he's bad, and have for a while.

HOw's it going to help? Why are you not dealing with the issue at hand?

Phoebe Buffay

I'm almost tempted to think Samuel voted with that awful reasoning in an attempt to save Balaam. If he was so suspicious of Absalom, why not vote for him? Job only had 4 votes and Balaam 3 when Samuel voted. And notice how Balaam never talks about Samuel

Phoebe Buffay

If there's anyone who hasn't voted yet, how about we vote Samuel?

Phoebe Buffay

Stephen wrote:
Samuel wrote:Well I am going with my gut here... Frankly, I don't trust Absalom. I would like to vote there but I think that would be throwing my vote away, so instead I am voting for the other option getting votes that Absalom did not vote for. I don't wish to vote the same way as him.

Voting Job.
Does not compute.

DOES NOT COMPUTE.

What the hell are you saying here, Samuel?

Wouldn't it be fucking funny if Samuel is wolf, after Paul's "suspicion" of him?

At least we agree on this

Phoebe Buffay

Samuel wrote:Well I am going with my gut here... Frankly, I don't trust Absalom. I would like to vote there but I think that would be throwing my vote away, so instead I am voting for the other option getting votes that Absalom did not vote for. I don't wish to vote the same way as him.

Voting Job.

This seems like a very contrived excuse. You're voting for whoever Absalom isn't voting? For real? BS

linki: I backpedaled because I'm not sure. Duh

Phoebe Buffay

Stephen wrote:Seriously, I think excellent points have been raised by both Paul (deceased, RIP my brother) and Rachel regarding Job.

I don't think the cursed theory makes sense.

Yes, he could be a townie with terrible tunnel vision, but it seems almost contrived, as if he came swinging out of the gate at the very beginning throwing out all these names, then backing off of them, and it's all just strange. I wondered earlier if scum would that easily evade pursuing other suspects, but why wouldn't they, if the natural reaction is for players to say it's townie of him (like Jeph just said)?

I do not feel good about Jeph or Ruth, so both of their defending Job also make me feel vindicated.

VINDICATED, I SAY!

Meh, I'm defending him because I don't feel he's bad. Whatever

Phoebe Buffay

Nicodemus wrote:
Rachel wrote:
Nicodemus wrote:Rachel, here let me elaborate:

Pointless, elaborate, massive speculatory distraction, check. - The big posts of Balaam that really don't say much (the Horsemen speculation, for example) that make it look as though he's actively contributing, helping, etc. Wall-of-text posts are easy to hide behind.

Hollow, drop-of-a-dime suspicion on Laz, checkarino. - I don't believe for a second he "forgot" about his Lazarus suspicion. If it were genuine, he wouldn't "forget" it. If he were concerned about finding mafia, he would not "forget" to address a suspect, especially if he genuinely felt that the game was in as much jeopardy as he was saying.

Cavalier attitude in the face of suspicion, waiter, check please. - His response to Absalam has read as "Oh yeah I guess you suspect me that's fine dude." Which I don't associate with a civvie who is interested in preventing a town loss.
I can get with point 1. I've said it before too. I think #2 is reaching given someone asked him for his opinion on the matter. #3? Eh. Not so sure. I mean, if he freaked out, we'd be just as suspicious, right?

Mordecai wrote:I just spent the better part of an hour tearing apart the voting results, and I have no noteworthy patterns to use in determining who could be a heathen. Normally there is something noticeable, like 2 or more people ALWAYS voting together, but I have nothing. The only things that stand out are players making consecutive votes on the same player day after day such as Lazarus voting for Absalom 3 straight days, the results of Job vs Uzziah voting for one another without fail, and that Belshazzar still hasnt broken the trend I initially thought of him being on the popular vote choice every single poll since preface.

I'm going to really start digging into the people who havent been posting practically at all. Especially if today's lynch turns up a civ. We've been looking at the people who are talking, and 3 days of that has gotten us nothing but mislynches.

For now though, due to lack of a better alternative, I am going to stick with my opinion from yesterday and vote for Lazarus once more. He still seems bad to me, though I find myself second guessing that decision somewhat.

Work schedule is still kinda nuts. Havent been able to monitor the game 24/7 like I usually try to
Can you explain to me how lynching CAIN and SAMSON were lynching players that were talking?
Or lynching Mary Mageline, for that matter?
You say you don't think we should continue looking at people who are talking, but here's the thing: we haven't lynched ANYONE who's talking.
Point #2 I'll concede could have been lost in translation. #3 I stand by. A civvie so concerned with a near-Heathen win would fight tooth and nail if they were being suspected.

Again, you might have a point. He's acting very cool about it. Most times civvies get really annoyed when others keep telling them they're bad.

Phoebe Buffay

Rachel wrote:
Nicodemus wrote:Rachel, here let me elaborate:

Pointless, elaborate, massive speculatory distraction, check. - The big posts of Balaam that really don't say much (the Horsemen speculation, for example) that make it look as though he's actively contributing, helping, etc. Wall-of-text posts are easy to hide behind.

Hollow, drop-of-a-dime suspicion on Laz, checkarino. - I don't believe for a second he "forgot" about his Lazarus suspicion. If it were genuine, he wouldn't "forget" it. If he were concerned about finding mafia, he would not "forget" to address a suspect, especially if he genuinely felt that the game was in as much jeopardy as he was saying.

Cavalier attitude in the face of suspicion, waiter, check please. - His response to Absalam has read as "Oh yeah I guess you suspect me that's fine dude." Which I don't associate with a civvie who is interested in preventing a town loss.
I can get with point 1. I've said it before too. I think #2 is reaching given someone asked him for his opinion on the matter. #3? Eh. Not so sure. I mean, if he freaked out, we'd be just as suspicious, right?

Mordecai wrote:I just spent the better part of an hour tearing apart the voting results, and I have no noteworthy patterns to use in determining who could be a heathen. Normally there is something noticeable, like 2 or more people ALWAYS voting together, but I have nothing. The only things that stand out are players making consecutive votes on the same player day after day such as Lazarus voting for Absalom 3 straight days, the results of Job vs Uzziah voting for one another without fail, and that Belshazzar still hasnt broken the trend I initially thought of him being on the popular vote choice every single poll since preface.

I'm going to really start digging into the people who havent been posting practically at all. Especially if today's lynch turns up a civ. We've been looking at the people who are talking, and 3 days of that has gotten us nothing but mislynches.

For now though, due to lack of a better alternative, I am going to stick with my opinion from yesterday and vote for Lazarus once more. He still seems bad to me, though I find myself second guessing that decision somewhat.

Work schedule is still kinda nuts. Havent been able to monitor the game 24/7 like I usually try to
Can you explain to me how lynching CAIN and SAMSON were lynching players that were talking?
Or lynching Mary Mageline, for that matter?
You say you don't think we should continue looking at people who are talking, but here's the thing: we haven't lynched ANYONE who's talking.

Agree on all.
Do you have any other suspects other than Job right now, because where Job is concerned, I agree that his suspicions are too easy and that he's been tunnel visioned to one player. But I'm not sure it makes him bad. It could make him a not so good civvie, or even a good one since we don't know Uzziah's role. I get a genuine vibe from him

Phoebe Buffay

Nicodemus wrote:Well he damn sure didn't forget to get back to you about a peach cobbler recipe.

The emphasis is that it wasn't someone he was talking about, but rather someone I talked about and asked people to give me their opinions on. He said he'll get back to me later on that.
Whatever.

linki: No, I want you to say what you think of Job when considering this. I thought that's what you thought of Job

Phoebe Buffay

Balaam wrote:
Jephthah wrote:Balaam, thanks for answering regarding Lazarus. Do you not see a possibility of explaining what he's doing?
From his posting pattern- no. From other things, perhaps. That's why I'm conflicted on him still.

He didn't vote on the first day, and ever since, has been voting for Absalom

Phoebe Buffay

Nicodemus wrote:
Balaam wrote:
Job wrote:Linki w/ Balaam - dude, you're reading too far into it. Cupid didn't shoot an anti-arrow at me. Uzziah is scummy and I want to lynch him. Ever heard of occams razor? Cute theory but not what is happening.
That's why I said it's a lot of if's but intriguing nonetheless.

Belshazzar wrote:Not just vote. That would be the Pharaoh's doing. Jonah said "feud" and I think that's the better word. It can encompass voting, of course.
Yeah, that's a much more sensible interpretation of it. I was letting my imagination run a little too wild I think.

Jephthah wrote:I'm still waiting to hear your thoughts on Lazarus like you promised Balaam.
Oh crap! I forgot about that since yesterday. Gimme an hour or so- need to get some work done at work today. :P

Absalom wrote:So no one else is with me on Balaam, huh? Well I don't care. He's my top suspect and I'm voting him, despite his heroic efforts to talk me out of it.
Okay. To each his own.
He said he forgot about it.

Forgot to get back to me, not to talk about his own suspect

Phoebe Buffay

Nicodemus wrote:Rachel, here let me elaborate:

Pointless, elaborate, massive speculatory distraction, check. - The big posts of Balaam that really don't say much (the Horsemen speculation, for example) that make it look as though he's actively contributing, helping, etc. Wall-of-text posts are easy to hide behind.

Hollow, drop-of-a-dime suspicion on Laz, checkarino. - I don't believe for a second he "forgot" about his Lazarus suspicion. If it were genuine, he wouldn't "forget" it. If he were concerned about finding mafia, he would not "forget" to address a suspect, especially if he genuinely felt that the game was in as much jeopardy as he was saying.

Cavalier attitude in the face of suspicion, waiter, check please. - His response to Absalam has read as "Oh yeah I guess you suspect me that's fine dude." Which I don't associate with a civvie who is interested in preventing a town loss.

He didn't forget to talk about his suspect. I asked him to tell me what he thought about Lazarus, and yesterday he said he'll get back to me. I don't know if he forgot, but he didn't get back to me, so I asked him today to do so, and he did

Phoebe Buffay

Balaam, thanks for answering regarding Lazarus. Do you not see a possibility of explaining what he's doing?

Rachel, I get why you feel Job was rude, but I also think maybe he's frustrated. Doesn't excuse being rude, but we've all done things we wish we hadn't out of frustration.
I'm sorry, I can't bring myself to vote for Job. He seems genuine in his frustration. That said, I also feel good about you. I hope this is a civvie vs. civvie thing.

Not sure what to think of Balaam. Mostly, he's one of the most productive players in terms of talking about others, bringing up theories and questioning everyone. But this is what I really expect from a good baddie. A good baddie is never easy to find, so I realize I might be fooled by him. That said, I'm not at a point where I'm remotely ready to vote for him. He's too important to the civvies if he is one.

I'm pretty sure there has to be a moderate to high poster among the baddies. They can't all be low posters lurking in the shadows. I'd love to take out that baddie. Question is, who is it.

The most vocal people, at least the way I view the thread, are Ballam, Balshazar, Rachel and Absalom. None of them look baddie to me at the moment, but I could be wrong.

I don't want to lynch another civvie. I don't know who to vote for

Phoebe Buffay

Absalom wrote:
Judah wrote:I apologize my friends for not being available the past few days. I'm going to read some posts by those that have votes and come back with some thoughts, if I have any. If someone wants to give me a quick recap, that would suffice too. lol
Recap:
Job and Uzziah hate each other. Rachel thinks Job is bad for having tunnel vision, although some people have suggested that the feud may be an act of War rather than organic. I think Balaam is bad because of his faux-helpful lists and pessimism about the civvies' chances, and Nicodemus agrees for reasons unclear.

Lazarus thinks I'm bad because reasons.

Everyone is busy and not posting.

Wow, you could have saved me so much time...

What do you think of Nicodemus?

Phoebe Buffay

Nicodemus wrote:
Jonathan wrote:
Nicodemus wrote:
Scummy post.
I don't understand what you see scummy about it.
Pointless, elaborate, massive speculatory distraction, check.

Hollow, drop-of-a-dime suspicion on Laz, checkarino.

Cavalier attitude in the face of suspicion, waiter, check please.

I can see what you're saying.

linki: I did not ask what you would do after finding what he is. Never mind, just wanted to check something. I' guess I'd do the same thing.

Phoebe Buffay

Not sure it is Balaam who thought of a way Job could be a civvie doing what he's doing, but as you can see, there are other players going that route. So we're either assuming wrongly, or maybe some players want us to think this is the reason for their vote.

linki: Okay Lazarus. Can you still mention other people you're suspicious of?

Phoebe Buffay

Lazarus wrote:I will be putting my vote on Absalom. Just the way he has been playing seems kinda shady since day one.

What will you do after Absalom is lynched (let's assume he does)

linki: Yeah

Phoebe Buffay

Belshazzar wrote:Partially so, Jeph. Maybe "goes on for days" has a meaning to it. On the other hand, I also wondered in my big post what would stop both Job or Uzziah to focus on other things, suspects, etc. even if they're supposed to hate each other and push for each other's lynch. It doesn't sound like a plausible curse: "Bicker with X. Do nothing else."

No, it doesn't sound like a plausible curse.

Any thoughts on Lazarus? What do you think about his vote for Absalom last day?

Phoebe Buffay

Belshazzar wrote:
Jonathan wrote:
Belshazzar wrote: Balaam speaks of several theories on what could influence both Job's and Uzziah's obstinate gameplay and I can think what some of them might be myself. Jonah also brought up a theory of their feud "not being of their own making" and, while this may not be clear to all the players, suffice to say I'm also aware of this possibility. The problem, however, is that neither of these cases, if they're true, would force Job and Uzziah to focus solely on each other, instead of performing more than that. And yet, they both aren't doing anything besides that and are not helping in any other way, which is still a very questionable thing.
I'm unsure what you are talking about regarding Jonah's theory of the feud "not being of their own making". That sounds like a forcing role but i didn't see anything in the roles that could force, much less force two players. Am I missing something there? And if they are being forced couldn't the force say they cannot suspect others during the time they were forced? And also this has been going on for days and a force is usually just for a day or a day and a night. So in the end, I'm not sure he's talking about a force or something else. Can you give any kind of clue that doesn't info dump or give your role away?
I doesn't have anyway to do with my role or info dumping on myself or anyone. The reason why I said some players might not understand this has more to do with the fact that most probably are still unaffected or untargeted(...yet). Jonah brought this theory up by suggesting he might also be affected by it (separately), right? I acknowledged that such a theory sounds at least plausible, because ... well, complete the sentence. Clearer now? Since you asked, I believe it's a forcing role that has not been revealed to us (...yet?).

Jonathan wrote:
Belshazzar wrote: Belshazzar you didn't comment on Job specifically in this post and I am most interested in what you think of him. Maybe you commented in another post and i missed it. Job holds the most interest for me to vote but i would like to hear more of his reaction to the cases made against him.
I said I would, but I need to finish some work first. Give me an hour more or so.

Jonathan does have a point though that this has been going of for days. It makes no sense that two players could only accuse each other for so many games. I would really hate playing that game if I were them.

Phoebe Buffay

I'm still waiting to hear your thoughts on Lazarus like you promised Balaam.

And here's a suggestion for all those who are so busy. Did you consider finding a replacement?

Phoebe Buffay

Balaam wrote:
Belshazzar wrote:
Balaam wrote:

Belshazzar wrote:Balaam speaks of several theories on what could influence both Job's and Uzziah's obstinate gameplay and I can think what some of them might be myself. Jonah also brought up a theory of their feud "not being of their own making" and, while this may not be clear to all the players, suffice to say I'm also aware of this possibility. The problem, however, is that neither of these cases, if they're true, would force Job and Uzziah to focus solely on each other, instead of performing more than that. And yet, they both aren't doing anything besides that and are not helping in any other way, which is still a very questionable thing.
You're right- I never thought of their feud as being something laid upon them. Could be some Horseplay going on there?
Think so too. If I were to guess...War?
That would seem like the most logical answer.

The Seven Seals
6 Then I saw the Lamb open one of the seven seals, and I heard one of the four living creatures call out, as with a voice of thunder, “Come!”[a] 2 I looked, and there was a white horse! Its rider had a bow; a crown was given to him, and he came out conquering and to conquer.

3 When he opened the second seal, I heard the second living creature call out, “Come!”{b} 4 And out came[c] another horse, bright red; its rider was permitted to take peace from the earth, so that people would slaughter one another; and he was given a great sword.

5 When he opened the third seal, I heard the third living creature call out, “Come!”[d] I looked, and there was a black horse! Its rider held a pair of scales in his hand, 6 and I heard what seemed to be a voice in the midst of the four living creatures saying, “A quart of wheat for a day’s pay,[e] and three quarts of barley for a day’s pay,[f] but do not damage the olive oil and the wine!”

7 When he opened the fourth seal, I heard the voice of the fourth living creature call out, “Come!”[g] 8 I looked and there was a pale green horse! Its rider’s name was Death, and Hades followed with him; they were given authority over a fourth of the earth, to kill with sword, famine, and pestilence, and by the wild animals of the earth.
I know it's Wikipedia, but check this out (no rickrolls, I swear!) for more information on the Horsemen. The purpose of the white horse is disputed in scholarly circles but the red horse sounds exactly like your theory on Job and Uzziah. The Red Rider causes people to slaughter each other. The wikipedia article mention 'civil war' which would make sense for Job v. Uzz. If that is what's going on, then perhaps Red puts two people together like lovers but only opposite. But with lovers, when one dies, the other kills him/herself. I wonder what happens if either Job or Uzziah die? Would Red be able to pit two other players against each other? That's a lot of if's but it's certainly intriguing.

So what you're saying is they have to vote for each other because some horsemen made them? Or did I misunderstand your interpretation?
That theory is proved wrong if Job votes Rachel like he just threatened.

Phoebe Buffay

Job wrote:Here's my thoughts on Rachel's post.

#1. I didn't try and convince you to stop suspecting me at all by trying to equate our situations. If that is genuinely what you think happened, it is because you really are convinced I am trying to manipulate you. I have better things to do with my time. I'm not out to manipulate anyone because I'm not bad. If I wanted you to stop suspecting me, I would have been present in the thread arguing with you days ago. But lets face it, when I have a choice between logging into this website to banter with you and do something at home with my family, I'm going to choose my family. I actually loathe playing this game because I'm tired of listening to you. RE: why I didn't even bother catching up after my vacation.

#2. If Uzziah is bad like I believe, you are the most likely teammate. End of story. You have subtly defended him all game and it hasn't gone unnoticed. Ok - you did not vote for Cain. But you still voted for a civvies that day. Sorry sister.

#3. If I had time to do research, I would have used it on researching Uzziah. Sorry if I didn't get my facts straight, but I'm not sure what you were trying to prove. That I have a poor memory? That I didn't catch up last weekend?

#4. Sharing my thoughts on anyone besides the person I suspect is pointless. No one is listening to me about the person I'm most confident about, so I don't see what good speculating on another non-lynch candidate will do.

Though you are starting to convince me to break my oath to only vote Uzziah. I may vote for you instead. Congratulations!

I like this post.

Phoebe Buffay

^True. What if she did?

Phoebe Buffay

Absalom wrote:Well, I see that everyone has been as busy as I am, which makes for an easy catch-up, but may not be ideal for baddie hunting.

Rachel, I see your case on Job. I understand it. I don't agree with it. I am not getting baddie vibes from Job.
I also see the case on Rachel having contradicted herself. I don't think she's bad either.
I am a little suspicious of Uzziah for narrowly avoiding lynches day after day. Smells a little fishy to me, but...
I'm going to have to give my vote to Balaam today. Here's why:

1. His lists, while they have become more helpful, initially read to me as a way of saying "look at me! I'm helping! I must be good because I am helping!"
2. His comment about the Heathens having the game all sewed up, besides being untrue, felt a little like wishful thinking on his part.
3. My gut is just screaming at me to vote for him, and I like to listen to me gut.

I'll hold off on actually voting to see if anything else comes up today, but thta is probably what I will do.

I don't get the wishful thinking. He has BTSC to celebrate or wish. I see frustrated baddies slip a lot more often than pleased or hopeful. This is just weird.
As for the lists, I thought so too at the beginning, but his behaviour surounding those lists makes me get a more civvie vibe.

Phoebe Buffay

Rachel wrote:
Job wrote: Let's see... You complain about me hounding on no one but uzziah. But then all you've been talking about for days is me. Then you express the same frustration I am facing, that literally no one is listening and will vote someone else in the end because no one is invested or cares. But yet you don't understand what you're experiencing is exactly what I am facing.

Wisdom about other players? I think Rachel is bad. I think it is ridiculous the ruse she is fronting. But honestly she's right, I just don't care enough. I fought my heart out for a solid day to convince people to vote uzziah and you numbskulls lynch a silenced person.
LOL Job. You're gonna be embarrassed by how wrong you are.

First, let's tackle the idea that I have only talked about you. Here is a list of posts I have made that have NOT addressed you since I announced my suspicion of you on Day 2:
1. http://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/viewto ... 27#p139927
2. http://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/viewto ... 90#p140190
3. http://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/viewto ... 21#p140221
4. http://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/viewto ... 49#p140349
5. http://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/viewto ... 51#p140351
6. http://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/viewto ... 52#p140352
7. http://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/viewto ... 63#p140363
8. http://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/viewto ... 66#p140366
9. http://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/viewto ... 72#p140872
10. http://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/viewto ... 87#p140887
11. http://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/viewto ... 32#p140932
12. http://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/viewto ... 46#p140946
13. http://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/viewto ... 50#p140950
14. http://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/viewto ... 43#p141143
15. http://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/viewto ... 48#p141148
16. http://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/viewto ... 53#p141153
17. http://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/viewto ... 52#p141252
18. http://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/viewto ... 01#p141301
19. http://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/viewto ... 03#p141303
20. http://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/viewto ... 72#p141372
That was after a quick skim of my own posts. I found 20 posts where I talk about something other than you, Job. That's more than what some people have posted the entire game. But let's compare that to your own record, eh?
1. http://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/viewto ... 87#p140287
2. http://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/viewto ... 14#p140314
Going back to a similar point in the game, you have made TWO posts where you don't mention Uzziah. One is saying RIP Paul and the other is saying you'll be away. But Hey! We're doing the same thing, right?

Now you try and convince me to stop suspecting you by trying to equate our experiences in pursuing our suspects. Except... I actively posted for the entire game (minus real time ONE day where I was extremely ill) while you have not. Whatever your reasons may be, you have not. You are trying to get me to empathize with you to avoid suspicion. However, this doesn't work because in the very next bit, you suddenly suspect me. You have yet to express suspicion of me, but suddenly "Rachel is bad." Reason given:"The ruse am fronting". Bull.
Now Job says he really doesn't care because on the day HE wanted to lynch Uzziah (for reasons that are so superficial and banal they don't even deserve mention) "we" lynched Cain. Many people did not vote Cain-- I did not. I voted for Job.

So, please, Job, if you're going to make a post against me, do some basic research because that was a load of malarkey.

BUT WAIT! THERE'S MORE:
Job wrote:
Rachel wrote:I think at least Job is bad and I have a neutral read on Uzz.

Why have you changed your opinion on him? Why, if you previously thought him to be bad, have you continually found reason not to vote him?

What do you even mean?
I have not suspected Uzziah all game.

I guess I was wrong about Rachel focusing mostly on Job.

Phoebe Buffay

Job wrote:
Jephthah wrote:
Isaac wrote:The difference is that Uzziah's focus on Job is revenge, for lack of a better term.
Uzziah was first to go after Job. He went as far as to tell Paul on the first day that he caught a baddie for him, or even 2-3, and the first one was Job. So why would he revenge Job?

But I agree that focusing on Uzziah alone makes me doubt Job more. I get that he's still pushing for Uzziah's lynch, especially after watching him escape every lynch and being sure he should be lynched. But you can both do that, and still say what you think of other players as well.

Job, can you please come in and give us some thoughts other than Uzziah?

Ballam, sorry to hear about your allergies. I know how you feel, so I hope the pills help, because they never help me
Fwiw this is a lie. I went after uzziah first and he tried to act like he was fishing for reactions with his rooting for scum post.

Sorry, I was under the impression that he said you were bad first.

Jonah wrote:Got some comments but first off

Jephthah wrote:Rachel, if I were a baddie, I'd make sure to post enough to not be considered laying low, so Job not being here yet, means nothing. He can come in at any minute.
What is the meaning of this Jep. First half of the sentence has nothing to do with the second half so you have me wondering why throw it in at all? Subtly make us think ye aren't a baddie?

I was just to lazy to quote Rachel's post which was right above me and asked about why Job was now laying low. He was absent at the time. I said that if I were a baddie talked about, I would make sure to not seem like I'm laying too low, so I'd post something. It might not be a good way, but that's how I judge people- by how I would act as a baddie.

I just don't know how much I agree Job is bad . He seems genuinely frustrated that we're not going after Uzziah. Yes, there's the fact that he didn't really focus on other people, as well as how easy it is to go after Uzziah, but like he said, Rachel has focused mainly on him as well, and if you really feel someone is bad and not sure about others, you push for him.
So I'm still on the fence when it comes to him. And just for the record, Rachel, I'm sorry you felt like I didn't do the work when I asked you to say again why you're suspicious of him, but I did see Paul's case. I asked for yours. You could have just said you agreed with Paul's case.

Phoebe Buffay

Isaac wrote:The difference is that Uzziah's focus on Job is revenge, for lack of a better term.

Uzziah was first to go after Job. He went as far as to tell Paul on the first day that he caught a baddie for him, or even 2-3, and the first one was Job. So why would he revenge Job?

But I agree that focusing on Uzziah alone makes me doubt Job more. I get that he's still pushing for Uzziah's lynch, especially after watching him escape every lynch and being sure he should be lynched. But you can both do that, and still say what you think of other players as well.

Job, can you please come in and give us some thoughts other than Uzziah?

Ballam, sorry to hear about your allergies. I know how you feel, so I hope the pills help, because they never help me

Phoebe Buffay

Sorry for coming in late. And RIP Gideon and Hagar.

Rachel, if I were a baddie, I'd make sure to post enough to not be considered laying low, so Job not being here yet, means nothing. He can come in at any minute.
That said, can you state again the reasons you think Job is bad, other then the fact he's focusing on Uzziah? Uzziah is only focusing on Job, how is that different?

I'm still pinged by Lazarus' vote for Absalom last day.
Also, what are people's thoughts on Deborah. Just went to look at her reasons for voting Cain (twice) and Mary. Enough to not look bandwagoning, but something feels off to me there.

Phoebe Buffay

Damn. I want to say I'm sorry Mary, and I am, but I really wish you'd have come in and defended the accusations instead of throwing it back at us. I don't care. Noah can leave me out of the boat. If the smite comes, it comes. This game is hard enough when you have to remember all the names and who said who. The fact that half the players are low posters and barely say anything just takes out the fun of the game. Bah the Bah is growing on me

Phoebe Buffay

Okay, I'm voting Mary too. I hope we finally get a baddie

Phoebe Buffay

Jonah, in case you missed it, why did you vote Rahab? And since you voted for Mary on the first day, anything new regarding that suspicion? Are you no longer suspicious?

Phoebe Buffay

I don't know where to place my vote. Mary Magdalene is tempting, since I've suspected her from day 1. In addition, a few hours back, when we had our short onversation, she vanished in the middle without saying anything and she hasn't replied to me when I asked why she didn't vote last day nor to Balaam or Belshazzar who asked her if she thought her posts and actions so far should be percived as helpful to the civvies.

But I really don't want another civ to die, so this is a tricky one

Phoebe Buffay

Jonah wrote:Voting Rahab and gauging reactions like a boss

Can you please remind me of your reasons for voting her?

Phoebe Buffay

I admit that Uzziah rubs me the wrong way, no matter his role. I don't like it when players try to cause chaos and be unproductive as they can, but I guess it's part of the game. Each player plays differently. I just think it's too easy to play that way every game so that others struglle to read you. I admire players who give it their all on both sides.

So, while I wouldn't push for an Uzziah vote, I have no problem with others trying to take him down, and if I don't find a solid alternative, I can see myself bandwagoning on him if it came down to it. It's the kind of player who'd do what he does when goor or bad, so I can't read him. Sorry.

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