The Syndicate

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Very enjoyable game Epi.

Sorry i kept posting under the wrong name.

No more sockpuppet games for me!

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Absalom wrote:Jonathan: "Don't lynch me!"
Absalom: "Who should we lynch instead?"
Jonathan: "There are lots of cases out there."
Absalom: "Okay, which one looks good to you?"
Jonathan: "Doesn't matter. Just not me."

Voting Jonathan.

I never said "Doesn't matter. Just not me." You totally made that up. Is that what you do now to make sure someone is lynched?

I probably won't be back on before the lynch so all I can say is I hope you all learn something from this lynch. One thing that I think is important is you just can't look at someone's vote record and say look at the mistakes here, here and here. They must be heathen. My vote record was really not that bad for a civ who doesn't know who is bad when they are voting. I voted Uzziah once and I voted him again when he was lynched - 4th I might remind you - and somehow those two votes got turned into something bad. You are going to lose this game if you continue on this track. Lot, thank you for looking at your gut and realizing I didn't feel guilty on a gut level. I think you were the only one but I say going forward people should look a lot closer at what you have to say. Enjoy the build up to the lynch because you won't enjoy the aftermath.

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Rahab wrote:Hey, got a few free moments and some wifi! I'll go ahead and vote now since I'm not sure if I'll be back again closer to the poll end. The cases on Jacob and Jonathan look extremely similar to me, except Jonathan missed more votes, yet people aren't as apt to vote Jacob today because he sounds "genuine" and convinced people otherwise. I still don't see what's so convincing with him besides the role hinting, and I already went on my mini-tirade regarding that. While the cases look similar in my read-through, I've got Jacob on the mind more strongly and I think I'll go in that direction today.

Linki - Ah, agreement! Except that the hint makes the case even stronger for me.

You may have our names backwards. I haven't missed any votes.

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Absalom wrote:
Jonathan wrote:
Absalom wrote:
Balaam wrote:I'd like to hear input from Belshazzar, Rachel, and Absalom regarding the Jacob v. Jonathan issue. I think one of them (Jacob or Jonathan) needs to die today so we can move forward instead of sideways like we did Day 7.
Here's my input. I think they both look bad, but I think Jonathan looks worse for the following reasons.
1. He has missed fewer votes than Jacob, giving him a more complete voting record to analyze, and the votes look worse, in my opinion. I also think that people with teammates are less likely to miss votes than people without, although I know some people disagree with me on this.
2. When I suggested voting for him the first time, he made the bizarre comeback of something like "if you lynch me, you'll get lynched next." This was directly after I led the Ruth lynch, so I find it a very strange line of defense to take.
3. I offered him the chance to present an alternative to his lynch, to persuade me that someone else looks worse than him. He hasn't done it. He just says "I am not bad" over and over, as if that is supposed to mean something.
You offered me a chance to present an alternative that I saw last night. I am busy with family as I think I made obvious and have no time to present a case. Besides, and most importantly, many people have presented cases on many other people. Are you saying you didn't find any of those other cases compelling? I am your only suspicion? You are just trying to trap me by setting up something you know isn't necessary at best and knew i didn't have time for at worst.

I don't know what words I used but i didn't mean you would get lynched next. I already explained that to Rachel, surely you saw it.
No, you are not my only suspicion, but you are my strongest suspicion, and you refuse to take any action to change my mind on that. How hard is it to understand that saying "I am not bad" is not a convincing defense?

You have been a major suspect for the better part of a week now, and the best defense you have is "read someone else's case and latch onto that"? Really?

I understand that you are busy today, but you knew this was coming, and you have had many days in which you could have offered a real defense. You have not done so.

I have defended everything that has been brought up which to my knowledge is just my voting record which is no worse than some others who even readily admit there's is terrible. If you think about it that's whats at the crux of this suspicion. If there is anything I missed which I did not explain I will be happy to do so. But I'm not going round and round in circles today with things I have already addressed. I have spent the last few days defending myself or trying to convince people that a decision to vote for me is just the wrong decision if you are a civ. I am not in the position to be able to convince you someone else is worse than me without just repeating what others have already said.

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Absalom wrote:
Balaam wrote:I'd like to hear input from Belshazzar, Rachel, and Absalom regarding the Jacob v. Jonathan issue. I think one of them (Jacob or Jonathan) needs to die today so we can move forward instead of sideways like we did Day 7.
Here's my input. I think they both look bad, but I think Jonathan looks worse for the following reasons.
1. He has missed fewer votes than Jacob, giving him a more complete voting record to analyze, and the votes look worse, in my opinion. I also think that people with teammates are less likely to miss votes than people without, although I know some people disagree with me on this.
2. When I suggested voting for him the first time, he made the bizarre comeback of something like "if you lynch me, you'll get lynched next." This was directly after I led the Ruth lynch, so I find it a very strange line of defense to take.
3. I offered him the chance to present an alternative to his lynch, to persuade me that someone else looks worse than him. He hasn't done it. He just says "I am not bad" over and over, as if that is supposed to mean something.

You offered me a chance to present an alternative that I saw last night. I am busy with family as I think I made obvious and have no time to present a case. Besides, and most importantly, many people have presented cases on many other people. Are you saying you didn't find any of those other cases compelling? I am your only suspicion? You are just trying to trap me by setting up something you know isn't necessary at best and knew i didn't have time for at worst.

I don't know what words I used but i didn't mean you would get lynched next. I already explained that to Rachel, surely you saw it.

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Belshazaar, this was the line I was questioning. I don't understand how we know he has been compelled to bring something against Lazarus from this Day onward. Aren't these curses only for a day? If not, do we know it because others have been cursed for longer than a day? Or am I completely misunderstanding what you are saying here?

Belshazzar wrote:I'm a leader?

Jonathan, it's not so much about being appropriate to talk about that, although I think we're already way past subtleties about Lazarus' actions by now. It's just that Lot's theory can be debunked, however misfortunate, since he apparently was compelled to bring something against Lazarus from this Day onwards.

I'm keeping Jonathan in mind as well, although he's still not really my top choice, based on evidence. He's not saying much by using the same "you lynch me, you'll see your mistake" card Isaac and Jacob have used (I mean, seriously, this is basic mafia defense in any game, regardless of context), but if he's decided to say no more, we'll have to go back and maybe read him once more.

If his role hint wouldn't be so damn hard to get by, I'd still go with Jacob. From Balaam's new technicolor lists, I still think Day 3 is the best we can analyse, regarding how Uzziah's save may have been achieved, and maybe Day 5 too, if Uzziah's teammates mostly threw him to the lions, but Day 1 is becoming almost as interesting, now that it shows that Uzziah and Lot have both voted late for Cain (who ended up 2nd wagon, but only just, because at that point he only had 2 votes, as many as Uzziah, Absalom, Samuel). Could this mean the other teammates worked on lynching Samson? Or did they partially give even more spreaded votes?

I'll try to find something in the other Day polls as well, but so far I'm not seeing anything concrete.

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Belshazzar wrote:
Jonathan wrote:
Belshazzar, i actually wasn't talking about the Lazarus stuff when I said it might not be appropriate to talk about. I don't mean to make this a big mystery because it's not that big of a deal but I still don't want to say it. How do we know he has been compelled to bring something forth every day about Lazarus? Or would you rather not say, which I could understand.
I don't get the underlined part. If it's about Lot, then the theory is he got afflicted starting this Day, not every day.

Belshazzar, I was responding to something you said but now I can't find it. I'm about to start dinner for this group and I don't have time to search carefully but I will when I come back tonight. I know my interpretation was you were saying from this day forward he would have to bring something forward about lazarus but that didn't make sense to me, hence my question. I'll be back.

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Belshazzar wrote:I'm a leader?

Jonathan, it's not so much about being appropriate to talk about that, although I think we're already way past subtleties about Lazarus' actions by now. It's just that Lot's theory can be debunked, however misfortunate, since he apparently was compelled to bring something against Lazarus from this Day onwards.

I'm keeping Jonathan in mind as well, although he's still not really my top choice, based on evidence. He's not saying much by using the same "you lynch me, you'll see your mistake" card Isaac and Jacob have used (I mean, seriously, this is basic mafia defense in any game, regardless of context), but if he's decided to say no more, we'll have to go back and maybe read him once more.

If his role hint wouldn't be so damn hard to get by, I'd still go with Jacob. From Balaam's new technicolor lists, I still think Day 3 is the best we can analyse, regarding how Uzziah's save may have been achieved, and maybe Day 5 too, if Uzziah's teammates mostly threw him to the lions, but Day 1 is becoming almost as interesting, now that it shows that Uzziah and Lot have both voted late for Cain (who ended up 2nd wagon, but only just, because at that point he only had 2 votes, as many as Uzziah, Absalom, Samuel). Could this mean the other teammates worked on lynching Samson? Or did they partially give even more spreaded votes?

I'll try to find something in the other Day polls as well, but so far I'm not seeing anything concrete.

Belshazzar, i actually wasn't talking about the Lazarus stuff when I said it might not be appropriate to talk about. I don't mean to make this a big mystery because it's not that big of a deal but I still don't want to say it. How do we know he has been compelled to bring something forth every day about Lazarus? Or would you rather not say, which I could understand.

Also on your day 1 theory other teammates could have worked on lynching Samson but that obviously wouldn't in include you and it doesn't include me either. I would say this makes more sense than them partially giving more spreaded votes. That's just my opinion.

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Pilate wrote:
Absalom wrote:Quiet today. I'm getting concerned that fewer and fewer of us are actually discussing things. Does anyone have anything to say? If not, I'm going to vote for Jonathan and hope he dies.
I'm in for a Jonathan vote. *fingers crossed*

Your crossed fingers are not going to make me a baddie. I've told everyone every way I know how that I'm not a baddie. I've said it over a period of days. I know that doesn't mean I'm not a baddie but I think you and absalom are looking at what I've voted and said through the prism of a baddie. Put on a civvie lens and look again.

Belshazzar i think you're right on with your analysis of the lazarus vote. I don't want to talk about why because I don't know if it would be appropriate. But I do know that though I value Lot's opinion I won't be voting for lazarus today. Chances are i will be voting for a save.

With that said, there is really nothing more I can do but answer any questions people have. I don't have the time or energy today to say I'm not a baddie over and over again. Everyone has heard it, it's just nobody believes it. You will know from now on when you see me fighting back this hard that I am truly not a baddie. I will check in every so often to see if there are any questions for me.

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Absalom wrote:I told you guys it was Jonathan!

RIP Geoff.

Just because it wasn't Jeph doesn't mean it is me. I'm telling you, it's not me. Your nose for baddies is off right now.

RIP Jeph. I didn't feel like I had a real choice who to vote for because I was so close to getting lynched. You played the game very well and if I live I'll consider what you said about others.

As a reminder, I won't be in the thread at all today but will be back in tomorrow catching up.

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I am voting Jeph.

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Oh I completely missed that, I don't know how. Then never mind everything I said.

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never mind. I was thinking Herod silenced you but you could vote but Herod both silenced the person and their vote. There are those other silences that we never figured out so that could be the case with Pilate. Other than that a drive by vote looks bad.

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Pilate voted me without saying anything about it? Herod is dead so what's the reason for the vote? You guys, I'm telling you are wasting your votes voting for me. Remember I told you this ad nauseum over and over and over. I know this is WIFOM but I would never do this if I were bad. I would say to hell with it and enjoy my memorial day weekend.

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Balaam wrote:Yeah, still not feeling great about Jonathan either. My gut tells me that Jacob and Jonathan are two of the remaining three Heathens. Is that so far fetched?

Day 1:
-Uzz does his thing thing, succeeds at confusing us all
-Jacob joins the Samson train early
-Jonathan makes Samson more of a sure thing (3 vote lead)
-Uzz & Ruth vote for the other bandwagon after Samson has been put away
-Heathens split their votes between two civvie bandwagons

Day 2:
-Uzz continues his thing thing
-Everyone piles on the Cain train again because he was a sourpuss
-Jonathan votes for Uzz late to get some cred
-Jacob & Ruth miss the vote...

Day 3:
-Uzz does his thing thing again
-Not seeing enough bloodlust for Rachel to vote there, Jonathan and Jacob split their votes between two other interesting options to keep others close to Uzz's tally
-Mary Mag proves to be as pleasant as Cain
-Civvies pepper her with votes
-Ruth piles on at the end once Uzz is only 1 vote shy of tying Mary for the lead

Day 4:
-Uzz...
-Ruth throws a vote onto her teammate because we've forgotten about him in the Job v. Balaam trains (cred grab)
-Jonathan can pick either civvie train to ride again and says someone else's case has him convinced on Job (shrugging responsibility)
-Jacob missed the vote

Day 5:
-Uzz gets three of the first five votes
-Heathens see the writing on the wall
-Jonathan votes early because early voters on a baddie aren't usually suspicious
-Ruth votes Uzz to keep his lead up (team Heathen hoping to score some serious cred by not letting a civvie comeback happen)
-Jacob misses the vote

Day 6:
-Jonathan votes Jacob in an attempt to build cred for when Jacob gets lynched
-Jacob tries to keep the Rachel train alive
-Ruth votes in desperation hoping that Lazarus is Simon
-Last minute votes trump possible Simon shenanigans

Yes it is far fetched. Maybe there is one heathen but it isn't me. And on your above set of "facts" you are ascribing meaning that isn't there. For example, and most importantly that I voted Uzziah early on day 5 so that my vote wouldn't be suspicious. I vote when I'm ready to vote - some days that is late and some days that is early. And I did not vote Jacob for cred when Jacob gets lynched as you say on Day 6. I voted him because the info we had on Ruth at the end convinced me she wasn't on Uzziah's team. You twist things like this all through your presentation. I don't think you are bad, I think you want to believe I am bad so are finding things that could fit the bill if you give those things meaning that isn't there.

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Please note I have amended that opinion to "some MAY see you as bad, others WON'T". We won't know until/unless I am lynched.

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I will be in and out tomorrow getting ready to go out of town and then on Friday I will be unable to post. I do not expect nor do I want anyone to hesitate to vote me because I'm not in the thread. I just don't have much time in the thread if you want to ask me questions beforehand.

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Balaam I was not trying to flatter you nor was I trying to set you up. You made a point in the past I considered it a good point - that was my decision not yours to consider it a good point - and I then made a vote. The vote was mine and mine alone. The comment that I have taken your thoughts into consideration all game is true of you and a couple of others so take that as you will.

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Rachel wrote:I don't understand how that's a defense?

It's not a defense. It's just the truth. I already defended my voting.

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Yes, except it should be lynching me might make some think he isn't civ. Or, as I said before, maybe not - maybe everyone would think 'every civ makes mistakes'. This is a side point though. The main point is that lynching me will not make the rest of the civs happy. I wouldn't just throw that out there if it wasn't true.

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I'm not implying they can't. I've been wrong this game and I'm a civ. But if he votes for me he is wrong on this round.

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Rachel wrote:
Jonathan wrote:I've looked at my past thoughts about Absalom and can't find anything that's a baddie read for me. But I know not everyone agrees with me on that. If he's good I don't know why he has chosen to attack me without reading my posts. There is a running diary of why I voted some people and not others and Uzziah is mentioned throughout the days - maybe not everyday I haven't checked that but his name pops up a lot in my thoughts about the game. He would get a fuller perspective if he would consider the two in concert.
So why would lynching you have any bearing on Absalom's alignment?

Sorry I missed this. Maybe I worded that wrong. Lynching me could have a bearing on his perceived alignment in that I am good and it could/would be seen as a black mark on his record. Maybe I'm wrong though. Maybe when I flip civ if I'm lynched people will forgive him for getting it wrong. I just don't want anyone to be able to say "she should have defended herself more".

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Absalom wrote:
Jonathan wrote:I've looked at my past thoughts about Absalom and can't find anything that's a baddie read for me. But I know not everyone agrees with me on that. If he's good I don't know why he has chosen to attack me without reading my posts. There is a running diary of why I voted some people and not others and Uzziah is mentioned throughout the days - maybe not everyday I haven't checked that but his name pops up a lot in my thoughts about the game. He would get a fuller perspective if he would consider the two in concert.
I read Cain's posts, and thought he was bad. He wasn't. I read Balaam's posts and apparently came to the wrong conclusion about him. I based my case on Ruth solely on voting record and I caught a baddie. I'm taking the voting analysis approach for now. Besides, I did read your posts. I think your mentions of Uzziah are wishy washy and don't mean anything.

If you'd look at MY voting record, you'd see that your accusations against me are misguided at best and those of an evildoer at worst.

What accusations? The accusation that if you lynch me you'll be sorry? That accusation is downright true unless you're not a civ after all.

As for your voting analysis approach I can understand why if you caught Ruth with it you would use it again. But in my case it just doesn't tell the story of whether I'm good or bad.

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I've looked at my past thoughts about Absalom and can't find anything that's a baddie read for me. But I know not everyone agrees with me on that. If he's good I don't know why he has chosen to attack me without reading my posts. There is a running diary of why I voted some people and not others and Uzziah is mentioned throughout the days - maybe not everyday I haven't checked that but his name pops up a lot in my thoughts about the game. He would get a fuller perspective if he would consider the two in concert.

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Rachel wrote:
Jonathan wrote:Each of those votes was a reasonable vote on the day of the vote. You pointed out I voted Uzziah 4th - that was well before it was obvious he was going to take the day. I also voted him another day because I was suspicious of him. Did you read my posts? Did you see what I was thinking about uzziah? I would bet that you didn't.

You may have caught Ruth and you may get me lynched which will convince some people that are on the fence about you where your allegiance lies.
What does this last line mean?

Absalom is trying to lynch a civ is what I mean which is not likely to be good for him.

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Well, thats exactly what happened. i needed some space to think about Uzziah. Was he really the person I thought he was behind the sock? If so he likely was just saying crap because he doesn't care and it is fun but he was really civ. Was someone imitating him so we would think that? If so, that person was probably bad. Could he be the person I thought he was and really be bad this time around? All those things and more were swirling through my mind in those couple of days.

Like I said before, if you don't believe me lynch me and see where that gets you.

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Cain was presumably silenced and if you read my posts that day you would see I considered him throughout the day. I did flat out admit I would not be part of the lynch because I was not comfortable that he hadn't said anything. I will occasionally vote for people who have been silenced but this was not the case. He had been hanging around in the thread so we could see him for God's sake and see that he wasn't responding to the suspicions being brought up.
And you don't believe me that I was giving Uzziah the benefit of a few days? Then why did I come back and vote him later? 4th, not last or next to last.

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Absalom, after the day I voted for Uzziah Balaam theorized Uzziah was just messing with us and i took note of that observation because I have through the whole game listened to Balaam. Below is my post right before I voted. I had decided to back of Uzziah and try to get a better grip on him.

Jonathan wrote:After giving more though to a Uzziah vote again today I have decided to wait and give that another day or two to develop. He has been silent today (at least I didn't see anything from him) but I don't know if he is laying low or legitimately silenced. I have chosen to go with Lazarus today for the reasons that Mordecai and Balaam brought up today. One thing that does concern me is that maybe he has been silenced but I'm going to take the risk in his case.

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Each of those votes was a reasonable vote on the day of the vote. You pointed out I voted Uzziah 4th - that was well before it was obvious he was going to take the day. I also voted him another day because I was suspicious of him. Did you read my posts? Did you see what I was thinking about uzziah? I would bet that you didn't.

You may have caught Ruth and you may get me lynched which will convince some people that are on the fence about you where your allegiance lies.

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Absalom wrote:Jonathan, why are you so bad?

I am not bad. What would make you think I am?

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Balaam wrote:
2) I slightly disagree with Rachel on where to look for the next Heathen. I agree on looking at those who voted for Rachel but the votes for Jacob and Pilate concern me more than the votes for Absalom. Look at my color list and consider this:
-Ruth takes an early 2-vote lead
-Esther jumps on Pilate, adding another name to the spread
-Jeph casts his vote for Ruth, making it a 3-vote lead
-Momentum stops for a while
-Rachel picks up the next 2 votes
-Pilate gets another vote
-Absalom picks up the magical mystery vote from Lazarus
-Two votes suddenly come in for Jacob now that things are pretty spread out and it looks like the Ruth wagon lost its mojo
-Rachel votes to keep Ruth 2 votes ahead of her
-Jacob votes to keep Rachel close to Ruth
-Ruth votes Absalom in the hopes of Lazarus being the Walrus
-Then things pick up again for Ruth as we become wary of the Lazarus Theory

Lots of spreading going on with the votes for Rachel, Jacob, and Pilate. Does anyone honestly have a strong positive read on any of the following:
-Deborah
-Esther
-Isaac
-Jacob
-Jonathan
-Mordecai
-Rahab
-Rebecca

I bet there are two Heathens in that list. But who?

I don't follow your thought process here. There was conversation all through the voting about Pilate and especially Jacob. Jacob was my first selection (and iirc you proclaimed Jacob the most dangerous of them all), I almost changed to Ruth but did not because of the point Jacob brought up, and ended up voting for Jacob after all. When I mentioned changing to Ruth, Lot also gave me an opinion that he wasn't positive about Ruth and that Jacob was a good choice. Whether he's heathen or not he certainly carried a lot of suspicion and I voted him because of it. So how do you get that someone who voted Jacob is bad? Maybe there is a heathen in the group you list but it is not me.

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Awesome! Thanks to those of you who voted for her!

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Deborah wrote:
Jonathan wrote:
Deborah wrote:Im being pushy because I don't have time to be patient. Fact is, this feels like a slip up to me. But at the same time, Pilate pushed hard against Uzziah didn't he? I think that two could be horsemen, but that's not really the target. .. g a h.
What makes you think horseman instead of heathen?
Pilate was strongly against uzziah. Whatever he is, he can't be a heathen. Unless he gunned for his own teammate with little provocation. I don't think it's likely.

ok that makes sense. I'm not sure what to think of lazarus.

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Ok, I'm still going to vote for Jacob though I think we're not quite to the bottom of this pilate/lazarus thing.

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Deborah wrote:Im being pushy because I don't have time to be patient. Fact is, this feels like a slip up to me. But at the same time, Pilate pushed hard against Uzziah didn't he? I think that two could be horsemen, but that's not really the target. .. g a h.

What makes you think horseman instead of heathen?

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Lazarus wrote:I think Pilate read my mind.

Lazarus, what did you mean by this?

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Deborah wrote:
Lazarus wrote:I think Pilate read my mind.
Had you meant to reply to his post?

Deborah, why are you giving him a possible explanation? Let him answer the questions.

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I have decided not vote Ruth because of the point Jacob brought forward about her. I am going to vote Jacob because of some of the things Balaam brought up about him in his post. Jacob said he thought Uzziah was an easy target which sounds to me like a soft defense. He also has only had two votes this entire time, affecting the ability to read him better. I don't know if anyone else will vote Jacob but Jacob if you are not lynched please try your hardest to be here and vote when it's time to vote. The fact that you're not here just makes you look like you are avoiding us so we can't get to know your thoughts better.

linki - what is going on re: Pilate and Lazarus? I may hold my vote until thats straightened out.

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Ok Lot, I got it. Thanks for your response.

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Lot wrote:
Jephthah wrote:Lot, can you say what made you decide to vote Ruth after being torn? I have the same problem, and I'd like to know what sealed the deal for you.
I think Ruth's lynch would give us additional information to work with, especially if she is bad. I'm not sure Isaac or Jacob would be any more than 'yes/no' lynches at this stage.

hmmm. I have been leaning toward Jacob but can you expand at all on what you mean by this? For example, what kind of info would you expect that we get with a Ruth lynch? Maybe a Ruth vote is where I need to be.

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Sorry I haven't participated today. Tbh, my mind is in a tailspin. There has been so much analysis - all of it good - that i can't keep straight what is being said by whom. My other issue is even with the nice lists of who voted when for whom I have to keep looking back at the original vote copy epi takes from the thread. I can just read it better that way. All this means I am very slow today in determining who I think is the most suspicious. If I had to do a quick vote right now I think I would go with Jacob but that may change before the end of the day. Right now I'm correlating the lists to see how much agreement there really is between raters and how it compares to my view of the person. I know that may seem like a convoluted process but its the only way I think I'll come away with a vote I feel good about.

balaam I can say I liked your list and agree with most of what is there. It's the lists that came afterwards that I'm having trouble assimilating. Again, sorry I have not posted today, i just don't feel like I would have added much except possible confusion.

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Uzziah has been on my brain for a long time in this game. As I stated before I've come to the conclusion he wouldn't act the way he's acting, confusing us in the process, if he was civ. So, I am voting Uzziah today.

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Belshazzar are there any of those people you listed who have been quiet people you are thinking about voting for? I had thought about taking a leap and voting for Malchus because of the quotes Deborah found but since he hasn't spoken all day I don't know whether he has been silenced or not. I don't remember him participating very much so I may be ok with it.

I've also thought about Jepth and uzziah for votes. I don't know what to make of uzziah really but his intent seems to be to sow seeds of confusion and that doesn't strike me as a very civ behavior. Then there is your post about Jepth which brought to light some things I hadn't thought of regarding him.

I also second the request - or 3rd it maybe - for an explanation as to the connection between Lazarus and Job that would make a vote for Lazarus a bad thing.

Anyway, I haven't decided anything yet and it could be someone else comes up suspicious more so than any of these. Just looking for your input on those you found silent.

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Deborah, good point about Malchus. He has been completely off my radar but the vote post and post lynch post are definitely suspect. I'll give him a read too - I don't remember him saying much during the game.

Also, thank you for your contributions. You are no longer on my quick vote list (not that it really matters because we didn't quick vote!).

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If we had done the quick vote today my vote would have gone to Deborah. She keeps saying she'll catch up but I still don't see her thoughts and the thread is really not that hard to catch up on.

Stephen, I know there was some talk about Jepth but i never did quite understand why he might be a vote candidate. Why have you chosen to vote for him?

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voting amorites due to Judah's research, and thanks Judah.

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I'm voting for Job. Belshazaar summed up the case very well and he voted for Rachel whom at the moment I think is good. And I don't see the case on Balaam.

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Nicodermus, what happened to your suspicion of Uzziah?

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Nicodemus wrote:
Scummy post.

I don't understand what you see scummy about it.

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Belshazzar wrote:
Jonathan wrote:
Belshazzar wrote: Balaam speaks of several theories on what could influence both Job's and Uzziah's obstinate gameplay and I can think what some of them might be myself. Jonah also brought up a theory of their feud "not being of their own making" and, while this may not be clear to all the players, suffice to say I'm also aware of this possibility. The problem, however, is that neither of these cases, if they're true, would force Job and Uzziah to focus solely on each other, instead of performing more than that. And yet, they both aren't doing anything besides that and are not helping in any other way, which is still a very questionable thing.
I'm unsure what you are talking about regarding Jonah's theory of the feud "not being of their own making". That sounds like a forcing role but i didn't see anything in the roles that could force, much less force two players. Am I missing something there? And if they are being forced couldn't the force say they cannot suspect others during the time they were forced? And also this has been going on for days and a force is usually just for a day or a day and a night. So in the end, I'm not sure he's talking about a force or something else. Can you give any kind of clue that doesn't info dump or give your role away?
I doesn't have anyway to do with my role or info dumping on myself or anyone. The reason why I said some players might not understand this has more to do with the fact that most probably are still unaffected or untargeted(...yet). Jonah brought this theory up by suggesting he might also be affected by it (separately), right? I acknowledged that such a theory sounds at least plausible, because ... well, complete the sentence. Clearer now? Since you asked, I believe it's a forcing role that has not been revealed to us (...yet?).

Jonathan wrote:
Belshazzar wrote: Belshazzar you didn't comment on Job specifically in this post and I am most interested in what you think of him. Maybe you commented in another post and i missed it. Job holds the most interest for me to vote but i would like to hear more of his reaction to the cases made against him.
I said I would, but I need to finish some work first. Give me an hour more or so.

Yes I'm clearer now thanks for the post. And sorry didn't notice you said you had to finish some work first before talking about Job.

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