The Syndicate

It was nice to have you, FZ! Keep playing stuff k!

Kudos on your promotion, Dom! (don't ban me k)

And if I haven said it, thanks Robignosis for this amazing game, even though I sucked at it!

WOW! Congratz, Dom! I know I was rooting for the sisters, but this one is even more impressive. I can't recall a single game where a SK LMS won. Zupah!

Right, I guess I need to explain my logic, or lack thereof - butt it seemed pretty logic to me k since I got everyone wrong except Matt as Andy, and even there I wasn't completely sure.

Like I said, I honestly thought JJJJJJJJjjjjj was civ because I've chosen to ignore Elo's direct accusations (sorry Elo ). I simply could not wrap my head around someone (especially a n00bie) being so out there like he was and have his teammates allow that to happen, unless 1. he was either coached; 2. simply couldn't comprehend how the game and the BTSC work and his partners just got tired of his shenanigans and started going after him. Of all these possibilities I've chosen the former. Another thing that made me somehow consolidate this belief was the fact that just when I really started to defend him, I received contraband (Cheers, MR! ). And from what I've read in JjjjjjjjJjj's posts, the only roles he mentioned were Red and the SK. So hah! He must be Red! Which would make sense to have the baddies after him. If he's not Red, then it has to be someone who agrees with me either on JjjJJj or SVS! That other person was Russti. Now my confidence was more than okay at this point since Boo and Goosey flipped bad. Naturally, I was shocked (and super impressed)when JJJJjj was revealed. So option no. 1 was out. Then I turned to option #2. He was coached. Why would someone be coached to act that way unless it made the people who vote for him look good? Who was his main pursuer? SVS! Now another thing that made me (again) confident in regards to SVS's allegiance was the fact that she was still alive and had not been targeted at night by any of the baddie teams. I don't know about you, but when you have civ SVS on on fire like she was now, I would not have kept her alive, especially when you had another idiot civ (me) going after her, who'd look especially bad in the aftermath. I knew better than anyone that I looked like the mother of all sisters. My only defense was that I'd never defend a teammate, which is ture.

Also, not really surprised with KRussti and Bullz, which reinforces the theory that those who look the most civ are super baddies k. Why do some people get all the cool roles? Who do I have to sleep with around here? :P

A Person wrote:yes really, and i am ok

You scared the living carp out of me k. (and I don't even have living carp :A:A:A)

Go sisters!

Dom wrote:

Lizzy wrote:

Dom wrote:

Lizzy wrote:

Bullzeye wrote:
Not entirely sure, I can see the case against Lizzy but I'd been leaning civ for her. In light of the JJ lynch she does look like she could be a Sister. I'm also becoming suspicious of MR based on the way he acted in the last lynch. I just don't get what he was trying to do but I feel like he was trying to save JJ without actually voting against him, if that makes sense.

One cvestion: have you ever seen me defend a teammate? It's ture that I've been bad in only two games coz that's just my luck, but has any of you seen me do that? SVS hosted me when I was bad, Dom was also playing, Bullz has been my teammate yadda yadda yadda

Lizzy, I don't remember who was any role in AG. I just know I was Chronos and Hinzelmann.

I was Ceres and the last baddie standing. Good read on me then too. Not really.

How did I read you? I seriously don't remember.

honestly, you and AP (and players that are similar to you) give me pause. I am always unsure how to read you all. I don't see a civvie intention, coming from you, though. I see you trying, actively, to lynch someone I very much trust.

You read me exactly like I wanted people to read me: as the ultimate civ, although that was a rather dangerous approach. Worked though.
... and I very much trusted JJJJjjj. Did that make him civ?

Dom wrote:

Lizzy wrote:

Bullzeye wrote:
Not entirely sure, I can see the case against Lizzy but I'd been leaning civ for her. In light of the JJ lynch she does look like she could be a Sister. I'm also becoming suspicious of MR based on the way he acted in the last lynch. I just don't get what he was trying to do but I feel like he was trying to save JJ without actually voting against him, if that makes sense.

One cvestion: have you ever seen me defend a teammate? It's ture that I've been bad in only two games coz that's just my luck, but has any of you seen me do that? SVS hosted me when I was bad, Dom was also playing, Bullz has been my teammate yadda yadda yadda

Lizzy, I don't remember who was any role in AG. I just know I was Chronos and Hinzelmann.

I was Ceres and the last baddie standing. Good read on me then too. Not really.

Bullzeye wrote:
Not entirely sure, I can see the case against Lizzy but I'd been leaning civ for her. In light of the JJ lynch she does look like she could be a Sister. I'm also becoming suspicious of MR based on the way he acted in the last lynch. I just don't get what he was trying to do but I feel like he was trying to save JJ without actually voting against him, if that makes sense.

One cvestion: have you ever seen me defend a teammate? It's ture that I've been bad in only two games coz that's just my luck, but has any of you seen me do that? SVS hosted me when I was bad, Dom was also playing, Bullz has been my teammate yadda yadda yadda

Dom wrote:

Lizzy wrote:

Dom wrote:Why would SVS lead the lynch on her teammate?

Seriously?

.....yes?

Honestly, I have no idea. Lucky you Bogs killed Vomps while you were taking a nap, because I would change my vote to you without blinking. I'd like transcripts from the BTSC after this k.

Dom wrote:Why would SVS lead the lynch on her teammate?

Seriously?

Oh and there was also KRussti, but I have no idea what on earth he was.

Dom wrote:

Lizzy wrote:

Dom wrote: Even if you haven't pieced together what is happening (if you are civv-- which you probably aren't), explain this to me: how is it possible that SVS is bad? I asked for you to earlier and you refuse to do so. I see no explanation for how SVS would lead lynches on both baddie teams and be bad.
But if you want to delude yourself, have fun.

http://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/viewto ... 360#p48036
So who was the one not paying attention? It was only 2 pages back...

I saw this post.
I don't see how it makes SVS bad.
Explain what team you think SVS is on.

Via elimination I think she's Bogs, thus a sister. The only other options for Bogs are MR and Bullz - the former might be the last Shawshank - thus not a priority for me, and Bullz - I'm starting to lean civ on him though.

Anyway, I don't know why you guys are even trying to be convincing at this point - you've earned it. You deserve to win. This should be me trying to cling to this as much as I can towards the end.

slinki -

Dom wrote: Even if you haven't pieced together what is happening (if you are civv-- which you probably aren't), explain this to me: how is it possible that SVS is bad? I asked for you to earlier and you refuse to do so. I see no explanation for how SVS would lead lynches on both baddie teams and be bad.
But if you want to delude yourself, have fun.

http://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/viewto ... 360#p48036
So who was the one not paying attention? It was only 2 pages back...

S~V~S wrote:let me put it to you like this, MR. If there are 3 baddies left, worst case scenario, 1 Staff, 2 Sisters, and an SK, that is 4. There are 7 of us.

If this is ture, I encourage people to vote for me because that'd end the game either today or tomorrow after the sisters finish the SK off.

there is no way in hell i am gonna vote for Dom

Of course not since you're on the same team. Luckily for Dom he's not a priority at the moment since he's not Bogs. I have to agree with MR that no civ in their right mind would chose to rezz you. However, just in case, for Dom - remember how we had the same beer options? I learnt nothing from them.

So if you want to lynch a baddie, and you are a civ, we need to get on the same page, capice?

You're not even trying anymore. :\

So why am I not super civ all of a sudden?

S~V~S wrote:Lizzy, in your picking random posts to reply to you kinda missed this one, the last part is aimed at Bullz but the first two are for you.

S~V~S wrote:For tomorrow, other than the suspicion of John, I would like to know the salient points in the case against me.

I also would like to hear about why John was so NOT suspicious that a vote for him=instant votes for those who vote for him. Also what I missed in his past games that might have led someone to that conclusion. Oh wait, he had no past games. Hmmm.

Awww, shucks! I was going to save this for tomorrow, butt since I'm not sure I'll make through the night, why not?
Welllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllll, you know that one and only VERY opportunistic vote for me? You hosted me as the last baddie standing in AG and as far as I can remember I was one of the blendiest civviest civs in that game. I'm about to be one now apparently. The idea is, you voted for me because of a self vote when Vomps and Matt had done the exact same thing, and because I already had 2 (two) votes k, followed by 'oh lol'

My main experience of her is hosting her in AG, and she played a well developed, involved game there, and was active and involved. So I have not seen this Lizzy of whom you speak, lol, or don't recall if I have.

Never forget.

Then yesterday was pretty cool too:
1. You were SO shocked that Sorsha was lynched although you yourself admitted that you too thought she was Shawshank staff. If she was, it was anything but shocking; that kill had perfect timing.
2. Pushing for JjJJJjjjjj because Boo 'thought' he was a sister? You knew he was one. The only reason I would have had to believe JJJjj was a sister was that Elo was indeed that role checking dude, but that we couldn't know because she was NK'd k. As for Boo, of course he'd go after him - he was the easiest target in the game.
3.

Either you or Lizzy is getting my vote. Tell me why her and not you?

so what happened to

You and i should have gotten past that silly tiff earlier in this game and started talking, not threatening each other. i will never underestimate you again.

This is the civviest thing i have seen this entire game from anyone.

4. You knew JJjJJJJJ was going to be lynched, which is why you decided to stay and enjoy the show and in the mean time throw some 'I'm a civ' stuff around.
5. JJJJjjj's behaviour was deliberate, maybe not at first, but it was brilliant strategy as the game progressed. You're one of those who would attempt to pull this off. It's a compliment k. The others might be Bullz, Russti or Dom.

Well, the BBC iplayer keeps buffering and I have to wait another hour to properly watch Sherlock, so I've come to argue with SVS.

johns2jj wrote:wow I'm surprised how many days I survived after being outed. This was fun and a good learning experience. Till next time.

You were stupendous! Had you lived longer I still would have defended you to the very end (mine or yours). Honestly, I'm kinda sad you had to die now. It would have been great to be unmasked at the end of the game. I think I'm in love...

Ahem! So who were you working for? Who was the mastermind behind this? Speak! *slap*

Dom wrote:da fuck lizzy?

Da fuck why I still defended jjjjjjjjj? Da fuck I still think SVS is the criminal mastermind of this game (if it's someone else, sorry )? Da fuck why you chose the same options I did? or da fuck lizzy in general? I more used to the latter k.

I hate beer! I had mostly Oirish whisky and some not very fancy champagne. :\

Russtifinko wrote:And it's ok Lizzy, I'll take being a bad civvie over a good baddie any day.

This is absolutely fantastic! You know what else would be fantastic? SVS being a baddie too.

Well, bugger me sideways! SVS, sorries!

Russti, sorries to you too, you're no longer the most amazing baddie I've ever seen. I'll start a JjjjjJjjj fanclub! WOW!

Nah! I randomised.

S~V~S wrote:No I really am not, Lizzy, if the Staff really is gone, the Sisters know who is "not them".

It's not about that and you know it. What use am I to them if I'm a confirmed civ?

Russtifinko wrote:
And if one of them is lynched and flips bad, when I could've decided it, very much not yay me.

But whatever, if i must die for the capital crime of having voted MR, so be it.

If SVS flips baddie, somewhat yay you, because you took her in account. Nay you if jjjjjj is bad. But on average, yay you!

S~V~S wrote:

Lizzy wrote:

Russtifinko wrote:

Bullzeye wrote:

Mister Rearranger wrote:Russ and Bullz: did you use any cigs today?

No, smoking is bad! If I had some (which I may or may not do) I'd save myself with them.

Linki: Kinda agree with Lizzy there.

I'm not sure we're allowed to discuss this.

And Lizzy: You can say that, but I clearly explained my vote and the reason, and I decided I didn't feel great about the other 2 options I was presented with. I even asked people to switch, though I realize we were short on time by that point. I'd rather make a vote that doesn't decide a lynch outcome than one I can't justify to myself, and if my role guesses are right the lynch was decided without me either way.

Interesting how mad some people are that I didn't join their sides in this vote. I'm starting to wonder if certain people are steering lynches, and if they're mad I didn't blindly follow along.

Ahhhh... perspective. You waited till the last minute to waste a vote. That still stands. If jjjjjjj is lynched and is civ, yay you! If SVS is lynched and is civ, yay you! If it's a tie, yay you! Yay you!

You and i should have gotten past that silly tiff earlier in this game and started talking, not threatening each other. i will never underestimate you again.

This is the civviest thing i have seen this entire game from anyone.

And you're trying to get me NK'd. I like you. :P

Russtifinko wrote:

Bullzeye wrote:

Mister Rearranger wrote:Russ and Bullz: did you use any cigs today?

No, smoking is bad! If I had some (which I may or may not do) I'd save myself with them.

Linki: Kinda agree with Lizzy there.

I'm not sure we're allowed to discuss this.

And Lizzy: You can say that, but I clearly explained my vote and the reason, and I decided I didn't feel great about the other 2 options I was presented with. I even asked people to switch, though I realize we were short on time by that point. I'd rather make a vote that doesn't decide a lynch outcome than one I can't justify to myself, and if my role guesses are right the lynch was decided without me either way.

Interesting how mad some people are that I didn't join their sides in this vote. I'm starting to wonder if certain people are steering lynches, and if they're mad I didn't blindly follow along.

Ahhhh... perspective. You waited till the last minute to waste a vote. That still stands. If jjjjjjj is lynched and is civ, yay you! If SVS is lynched and is civ, yay you! If it's a tie, yay you! Yay you!

FZ. wrote:Anyone wants some popcorn to pass the time? I have to say this shindig is not as fun when you're dead

I'll have some. I have to say, I think you guys have a better view than most of us still playing.

Russtifinko wrote:

Lizzy wrote:

Russtifinko wrote:Anyone wanna change their votes?

Linki: S~V~S. So you do think boo had info? That's news to me, as is stealing books and the idea that books are actually useful for this stuff.

And as I said, I'm not convinced you;re bad yet, S~V~S. It's just been something in the back of my mind, and we're running low on other candidates. As you can see, though, I didn't vote you.

You know that if she gets lynched and is bad, you're next.

... if not, I am

Who, S~V~S? Oh, because I didn't follow the bloc? Well, fair enough I suppose. She's right, I've been more or less saying she's civ all game. I promise we're not baddie teammates, though.

SUPER DUPER ULTRA MEGA INTENSE MIND-BLOWING LINKI

You just wasted a vote. MR was not an option, not at the last minute anyway. Nice way of avoiding accountability.

Russtifinko wrote:Anyone wanna change their votes?

Linki: S~V~S. So you do think boo had info? That's news to me, as is stealing books and the idea that books are actually useful for this stuff.

And as I said, I'm not convinced you;re bad yet, S~V~S. It's just been something in the back of my mind, and we're running low on other candidates. As you can see, though, I didn't vote you.

You know that if she gets lynched and is bad, you're next.

... if not, I am

Oi you two! Last time we formed a neat voting block and it worked. Let's do that again. KRussti, you were also against a JJjjjjjjjJJj lynch, correct?

Who are you looking at?

Dom wrote:
Lizzy, why are you so against voting JJ? This may make me change my mind.

I've been saying this over and over again. If he were bad, I don't think his teammates would allow such a hectic behaviour on the board: voting for someone without justification, changing his votes every 5 minutes, even now, voting for BWT who has been targeted by the sisters and survived, if we assume (and I do) that Shawshank personnel is dead. He's not paying attention to the game overall, just desperately trying to survive. I think he's an easy target and an important civ role, which is why people (baddies ) are all over him k.

S~V~S wrote:I am in the middle of a rousing D & D session, so i am gonna vote now so i don;t forget.

I still think John is bad.

Why?

If you vote for John, I'll vote for you, and I was planning on leaving you alone today.

The hosts never announced when a baddie team had been exterminated in any of the games I've played here.

Also, I think you might have missed this:

Epignosis wrote:

Lizzy wrote:Mister Robignosis Host Sir, if Hadley is dead, what happens to the odd NK's? Does HB Haig get them if still alive, or does Bogs get monopoly over the baddie NK's?

Haaaaaaaai

If Bullz is bad, he's a sister! I think Shawshank is kaput for good, that's why we're focusing on the sissies, well, I know I am.

Until MR shows up, what are your thoughts?

Russtifinko wrote:Well I'm all in a kerfuffle. It looks to me as if JJ is probably going down today, but I'd be interested in looking elsewhere if anyone seems inclined to. Even if Elo was right, taking down the Sisters isn't nearly as important as getting rid of Boggs.

Going on a shopping trip, then I'll be back and think about who to vote for.

I agree about getting Boggs, it's just that looking for a specific individual is a bit difficult at the moment. A teammate would do just as well.

If jjjjjjjjjjj is being lynched today and he's a baddie, my god he's the most stupidly brilliant baddie I've ever seen. His vote for BWT who has been targeted by the sisters is the best proof for that thus far. I really really really think he hasn't been paying attention because I have no idea what teammates would let him do that.

Mister Rearranger wrote:I might be down for lynching Bullz.

He helped kill the first me.

I did too, as well as many others. Sorries.

johns2jj wrote:

birdwithteeth11 wrote:So John, did you have a reason for voting me, or did you prefer to do it as a fly-by?

Because I knew no one else would vote for you and I needed to try and stay alive. I really don't know who to vote for at this point because we have had too many ties and I am tired of them quite frankly. I may change my vote late but I felt you where a good placeholder.

Well, I suggest you change it unless you want my vote as well; and we haven't had a tie in a while.

Bullzeye wrote:

Lizzy wrote:Search me...

One other person I was eyeing, but felt like carp about it because I've done the same in the other game, is Bullz. :\ It's his comments on my take on the SK and then his very dubious vote for me that made me see him as Boo's equivalent in the sisters.

You said the SK was civ-friendly, I disagreed. What's wrong with that? Calling SK's civ-friendly is like calling cigarettes lung-friendly. Also I kinda think the SK might be dead (or a non-traditional SK, I could see Epi labelling someone as a Serial Killer and not making them a typical LMS role) anyway since we've never seen them actually kill anybody.

It was your phrasing and the reasoning here...

Just in case I forget, I'm throwing my vote on Lizzy. Her comments about SK's really caught my eye, it seemed like she was almost trying to encourage people to leave the SK alive. I see no reason why a civ would suggest such a thing.

... that bugged the hell out me.

Search me...

One other person I was eyeing, but felt like carp about it because I've done the same in the other game, is Bullz. :\ It's his comments on my take on the SK and then his very dubious vote for me that made me see him as Boo's equivalent in the sisters.

Let's say I'm buying it for now. Who do you think would do that? (I know I'd do it without blinking ;P)

I should totally be a sister then. Are you guys recruiting these days?

S~V~S wrote:Now THAT is not what I expected.

rip Sorsha, iywg

Orly? I had her as the 3rd member of the Shawshank personnel, so killing her would mean that the sisters have monopoly over the baddie NK's.

Oi jjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjj! What's with the bwt vote?

Dom wrote:

Lizzy wrote:

Dom wrote: The last sentence is very interesting, I think.

Care to elaborate? I think he's actually right.

How do those two thoughts connect?
"As for me being bad, yes, I've been an awful participant."
Perhaps I'm misunderstanding, but his syntax seems to tell me that he's bad.

I believe his syntax tells us exactly what he is: neither and/or both. That being said, he should not be a priority.

Dom wrote: The last sentence is very interesting, I think.

Care to elaborate? I think he's actually right.

Epignosis wrote:

Lizzy wrote:Mister Robignosis Host Sir, if Hadley is dead, what happens to the odd NK's? Does HB Haig get them if still alive, or does Bogs get monopoly over the baddie NK's?

Mister Robignosis Host Sir, if Hadley is dead, what happens to the odd NK's? Does HB Haig get them if still alive, or does Bogs get monopoly over the baddie NK's?

Dom wrote:

birdwithteeth11 wrote:

Dom wrote:

birdwithteeth11 wrote:Yeah, I haven't been participatory in either game I'm in right now on TS. I just haven't been able to mentally get into either one, no matter how hard I try. I don't blame anyone who looks at me as suspicious today and decides to vote for me. God knows I've deserved it.

do you care if you're lynched?

Honestly at this point, not really. My head's been up my ass this entire game, and I don't feel like I'll get anywhere. So I would be perfectly okay with getting lynched if you all so desire it.

As for me being bad, yes, I've been an awful participant.

Interesting.

What's so interesting?

With the risk of making a pact with satan ;p I shan't flip my apparently not so lucky coin and vote for Goosey today.

I'm off to watch the new Sherlock episode. omfogogoggjh :O:O::O:OOOooO

Russtifinko wrote:

Lizzy wrote:There are 2 (two) roles with secrets in this game - a civ and a cereal killer, and the latter would make more sense to survive a NK attempt. Now then now then, I would, again, advise you to NOT go after the SK because he's NOT the one killing people at night; not when there are baddie candidates roaming freely in the thread. There's enough time to get him later. Bringing up a non-active player is your average baddie leitmotif so I'll be keeping an eye on those so bring that forth. Also, please don't vote for jjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjj. Today I'll have the usual: SVS or Mongoose.

Thanks for this post, Liz. You make some really good points. I will say I think we should get the SK sometime soon, but I agree it's not top priority.

I'd love for us to be able to form a voting bloc, because I don't think JJ should be lynched, as I said. However, I am not on board with lynching S~V~S. I think it's a bad idea. I don't feel super amazing about voting Mongoose, but I'm less against it than an S~V~S vote.

I'm fine with either SVS or Mongoose. I don't think you'd defend SVS if you two were on a team together, but dammit, mate, I don't think I'll ever be able to trust you after Meat Boy. Plus the nice helpful thing you're doing just now is driving me bananas. Also, I believe Hadley already took care of FZ.

S~V~S wrote: whatever works for you, she might be bad, but this game will teach you you have zero clue about me. Sorry i offended you with my Day One vote, it is what it is.

So is this~

Just an FYI~ Last night I took a fall down a set of stairs (alcohol not involved , laundry WAS involved). I am OK, just a twisted (sore, swollen) knee, BUT I spent quality time in the er last night, and now I have to go to work (out of sick days, our work year ends of the FRIDAY OF New Years Day, clever me I thought i had it timed so well, lol) in a blizzard, so sorry, but i will most def be home tonight

1. I never get offended in games. They're just games. (all right, I was a tad annoyed in the Sherlock game, but that involved the host and I've been over that for a while ;P) If I did take them seriously and get offended that easily I would have stopped playing long ago given the times I've been lynched, and always as a civ.
2. With the above in mind, I'm after you because I thought you were extremely opportunistic when you voted for me then and then quickly backed off when I called you out on it. I think I have been quite clear before in regards to my reasons.
3. Being emotional and making me feel guilty about it won't let you off the hook. Quite the contrary; I don't negotiate with emotional terrorists.

I'm sorry to hear about that. Get well soon, and get as much rest as possible when you get home k

There are 2 (two) roles with secrets in this game - a civ and a cereal killer, and the latter would make more sense to survive a NK attempt. Now then now then, I would, again, advise you to NOT go after the SK because he's NOT the one killing people at night; not when there are baddie candidates roaming freely in the thread. There's enough time to get him later. Bringing up a non-active player is your average baddie leitmotif so I'll be keeping an eye on those so bring that forth. Also, please don't vote for jjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjj. Today I'll have the usual: SVS or Mongoose.