The Syndicate

I think we need a Colossal Titan emoji.

I can't help but shake the feeling I was wrong about zebra. I'm changing my vote.

agleaminranks wrote:

a2thezebra wrote:The reason I'm not voting for MM is because like you said, everyone else is on board with him. It shouldn't be everyone if he's actually bad.

You're probably right that they wouldn't bus a teammate when all they need to do is secure one more mislynch. If Marmot is bad, and I think he is, they're bluffing. If two of us put our votes on the person we think is most likely to be bad, they can't outnumber our vote.

Or the other possibility is that Marmot is the Titan who can survive a lynch and they'd be willing to sacrifice the odds to even out suspicion. Although I seriously doubt that would be a good strategy for them to take at this point in the game. That's playing a serious gamble on the next day turn.

I guess they still wouldn't risk actually bussing a teammate on the vote.

Sorry, mostly just thinking aloud here...

a2thezebra wrote:The reason I'm not voting for MM is because like you said, everyone else is on board with him. It shouldn't be everyone if he's actually bad.

You're probably right that they wouldn't bus a teammate when all they need to do is secure one more mislynch. If Marmot is bad, and I think he is, they're bluffing. If two of us put our votes on the person we think is most likely to be bad, they can't outnumber our vote.

But zebra's post that I highlighted pinged me. Grr. This is our last effin' chance to send the Titans packing.

Two of the following three people are bad. Bullzeye, zebra, Marmot.

I'm most convinced about Marmot and he will get my vote for time being.

a2thezebra wrote:The main thing people seem to be agreeing on is that MM is bad. I won't be voting for him today.

?? I am hella confused. You've been pushing for a Marmot vote for I don't know how many days now. Once everyone else is on board with it you suddenly abandon voting for him?

Bullzeye wrote:So... INH may have just won us the game there. Good work!

Quin wrote:Without going into any particular detail, here's a rainbow list based entirely on my vibes on everyone as of right now. Why am I posting a rainbow list based entirely on vibes? Why not? Also, I intend to go through the thread and point out any discrepancies in how I perceive players and what actual evidence I can find.

Why am I disclosing this information?

Because I expect pure vibe rainbows lists from each of you as well. Thankies.

gleam

zebra

marmot
bullzeye

I can't understand why Gleam would be at the top of anyone's rainbow list. I can't think of a single thing he's done all game. Zebra is funnily enough the only person other than me that I actually believe to be a civ. At this point I'm sure MM is bad and that someone did vote Sig in a bid to save him early on. Here's why it wasn't me: Knowing what we know now about Wilgy, if I'd been a baddie during the previous lynch I latched on to INH's case for distancing purposes, safe in the knowledge that MM would show up to vote Sig and save himself. No saving necessary.

And you've done much more? I understand being busy and such, I'm in the same boat myself, but you haven't done a whole lot other than prod players for opinions and give some very neutral reads on people, only to fan for arguments on reasons to vote for others.

Looking at Wilgy's attack pattern, Day 4's vote seems like a clear attempt at distancing. I was inclined to agree with Zebra that MM seemed like a skirty mafia, but it looks pretty clear to me that in such a situation, Wilgy was attempting to put some distance between him and Marshie by that throwaway vote. I think Marmot is all but confirmed baddie at this point. He's tentatively getting my vote.

That being said, he has to have a teammate. Bullzeye was never voted for by Wilgy, and he additionally shares one vote train with Bullz, myself, Marsh, and zebra. I think Quin is the only one I can feel good about being a civilian.

This is absolute bullshit.

I feel like both siggy and MM are doing the same thing and just skirting around the discussion. It has to be mafia at this point.

Call it gut, but I feel a little bit better about the marmot than sig. At least based on play history, MM can be a little whimsical. Sig at least tries to help. That I know of.

sig.

Serge wrote:I think we should votr INH. If he's town, rabbit8 and DrWilgy are teammates. Boom.

Yeah, but this sort of lynching people for information policy is scummy as all hell.

Serge and rabbit are both advocating lynching for information. I think they might be teammates and trying to distance. I'm voting for Serge today.

If anyone has been tunneling so far this game it's rabbit, even after the replacement. What's with the change of heart to Serge?

Something seems a little off.

a2thezebra wrote:I'm not tunneling anyone. I'm the one who opposed the horrible last two lynches. We need to lynch Metalmarsh89.

What's your thought on MM? He hasn't made a whole lot of posts so far in this game. I could see him being a lackadaisical Mafia member trying to skirt attention, but otherwise I don't know. The lynch results have been shit so far. I don't want to risk one more bad vote.

a2thezebra wrote:

agleaminranks wrote:Zeebs, I'm confused. Not being able to read a player makes them likelier to be civilian?

Where did I say that?

a2thezebra wrote:

leetic wrote:

a2thezebra wrote:I also think that sig is bad but I've been wrong about sig too many times to put my vote there...for now.

Why are you relying on meta reads? Keep this post in mind if sig flips scum.

I'm not relying on meta reads, I'm relying(?) on my failure to read a particular player.

This was also right after defending Wilgy as being good. Maybe I misread your intentions.

That being said, I don't feel great about Wilgy, and I don't see whatever patterns you are. I feel like he's more been skirting the outside for too long.

I have to go into work so I will vote Wilgy before I do so. I think I might be reading you two as teammates.

Zeebs, I'm confused. Not being able to read a player makes them likelier to be civilian? I think at this point in the game, an unclear read is more worrisome for me.

Leetic has been playing solid and consistent game so far. I voted for him earlier because of the MP confusion but now MP is gone and has said very little since then. I'm leaning towards a good read on him.

Zebra and Wilgy I still cannot get a good read on.

Argh, I cannot keep track of all these 2.0 players

MovingPictures07 wrote:I don't understand why I'm getting votes. How else do you all propose we figure out Dizzy's alignment then? Anyone?

This just seems like a really scummy thing to do. I understand the no-shower isn't contributing atm, but just lynching him gung-ho sounds like a real mafia thing to do. Given that we're picking blindly because we have no interactions to go off of, the odds are much more likely they're civ. I could picture a baddie pushing this agenda and claiming it's just policy.

leetic, if I can answer your response, you're right, I did not provide much justification for your vote. In all truthfulness, I placed my vote on you because you were the only other name with any votes on you by day-end. One of them was Epignosis, someone I mentioned I had good feelings about, and I'm sad to say the night period confirmed this. I also did not feel good about the vote against Quin/Silver, which I previously mentioned as well. Going off of that, and bearing in mind that people I felt decently good about putting votes against you, swayed me to place a hesitant last minute vote.

I don't know if I feel comfortable voting Quin. I didn't feel incredibly pinged by what I could read of Silverwolf's defensiveness. It sounded more character oriented than role.

Voting leetic.

DrWilgy wrote:Yo MP!

What caused your townread on leetic? What caused your townread on Ikanosis?

Wilgy, the entirety of your game has been fluff or joke so far up until this. And even then it's not much.

I've expressed frustration at trying to get a read on you in the past. I'm just as frustrated now.

MovingPictures07 wrote:I don't have long, sorry folks, but a few more thoughts/questions:

@gleam: Can you elaborate upon your leetic/me thoughts? Sorry, you lost me a bit there. To elaborate, I am slight town reading those four individuals not purely because of their activity, but because of the fact that I have consistently seen it as genuine activity. I haven't seen any questionable behavior from any of them just yet.

I guess my concerns were that I didn't get your reasoning for why you felt you had townreads on the people I mentioned. It felt to me like you had said some things to the contrary, or your level of interaction with them made your read feel a little baseless, or even contradictory. But you've just clarified that you feel your reads are based on your gut-reaction in seeing them interact with each other. I guess that's fine, for day 1 at least. Your clarification helps me feel a bit better.

EBWOP: erm, just a page ago, I guess.

insertnamehere wrote:

agleaminranks wrote:I was going to bring up the same on leetic, but there was less interaction between the two. In fact, MP asked them a question twice which I don't think got answered. It also confuses me on MP's part, then, why he would feel good about leetic.

Is there anyone in particular you feel good about?

Sure. I feel good about Epi/ika. I posted why a few pages ago. Beyond that and what I've already said about MP and yourself (and a slight meta-read on silver/Quin), I haven't analyzed enough about anyone else's interactions to have a solid opinion either way.

Then again, I don't ever have more than like a 10% inclination either way on D1, so take that with a grain of salt.

insertnamehere wrote:

agleaminranks wrote:

MovingPictures07 wrote:For now, I have the following brief thoughts:

- I'm willing to tentatively throw out slight town reads of insertnamehere, leetic, and Epignosis/ika. I don't want to vote for any of them today due to their contributions, which all thus far seem genuine to me with respect to solving the game.

I'm a little worried by this, MP. You said you don't want to vote for them just for contributing? I'm not gonna comment on the ika/Epi situation since I tried to avoid that whole heated debate, but as far as INH, you barely talked to him, and you seemed to only feel good about his stance because you disagreed with rabbit calling a scumread on him. But then you also gave rabbit a town read too?

You also said this:

MovingPictures07 wrote:From where I'm sitting, I'd say insertnamehere is the low hanging fruit of Day 0. ika, Silver, leetic, rabbit, and Gordy all expressed negative views of him. What do others make of that? Easy target or deserving of attention?

Feels like you're pretty damned determined to prove his innocence. I don't know if this is too telling of ally-talk just yet.

I'm interested in why you decided to single me out instead of leetic. If you disagree with MP's read of me, I'd love to hear some reasoning behind that.

Right now, your suspicion of me seems to have as much behind it as MP's townread of me. Guess which one I'm more inclined to trust.

The one who thinks you're good, but that's so implied it's probably the stupidest rhetorical question ever asked.

I actually was feeling pretty good about your contributions. I was only really criticizing MP. You got very quick on the defensive and now I'm feeling slightly less good.

I was going to bring up the same on leetic, but there was less interaction between the two. In fact, MP asked them a question twice which I don't think got answered. It also confuses me on MP's part, then, why he would feel good about leetic.

MovingPictures07 wrote:For now, I have the following brief thoughts:

- I'm willing to tentatively throw out slight town reads of insertnamehere, leetic, and Epignosis/ika. I don't want to vote for any of them today due to their contributions, which all thus far seem genuine to me with respect to solving the game.

I'm a little worried by this, MP. You said you don't want to vote for them just for contributing? I'm not gonna comment on the ika/Epi situation since I tried to avoid that whole heated debate, but as far as INH, you barely talked to him, and you seemed to only feel good about his stance because you disagreed with rabbit calling a scumread on him. But then you also gave rabbit a town read too?

You also said this:

MovingPictures07 wrote:From where I'm sitting, I'd say insertnamehere is the low hanging fruit of Day 0. ika, Silver, leetic, rabbit, and Gordy all expressed negative views of him. What do others make of that? Easy target or deserving of attention?

Feels like you're pretty damned determined to prove his innocence. I don't know if this is too telling of ally-talk just yet.

Epignosis wrote:I don't agree with you. The kind of "information" you propose to gain by lynching somebody who is actually around is easily manipulated and for that reason generally useless. You call it information. I call it potential misinformation.

I am not suggesting a random dart throw. Serge is not random. Serge was deliberately selected.

You propose lynching an active player who might be good just so we have something to talk about Day 2. No thanks.

I quite like this sentiment. It's something I think I've seen a more town-oriented Epi play, and I don't like reading based on metagame, but if I had to, combined with his level of activity, I'm inclined to feel a bit better about his alignment here, and ika's in retrospect.

Bass_the_Clever wrote:Where is agleaminranks have they posted anything this game?
Epi why serge and not agleaminranks ?

I'm here. Work has just been busy is all. I'm caught up, and just trying to do some analysis now.

That was a rhetorical statement, rabbit.

I'm going to do my best to ignore the seemingly personal scrum that has been happening here.

Silverwolf doesn't seem like she's any more defensive than I have seen. I don't feel confident about lynching her.

What in the hell happened in the last six pages.

Boku no Titan.