The Syndicate

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Thu Dec 12, 2019 12:33 am

Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu Dec 12, 2019 12:26 am

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Thu Dec 12, 2019 12:23 am

Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu Dec 12, 2019 12:15 am

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Thu Dec 12, 2019 12:13 am

Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu Dec 12, 2019 12:10 am

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Thu Dec 12, 2019 12:08 am I’m here for fifteen minutes. Please say things I can react to so I can feel like a participatory member of this game.

You’re scum for lying low yesterday.

This is a WIFOM trap and I don’t like it.

Interesting. Explain.

There is basically no normal response I could give to the post that I (and presumably you) wouldn’t be able to read and create an argument for in either direction. Now you’ve played with me a few times and so I’m not doubting that as best as I try to hide it I’d give off a sort of meta tone read but I don’t think it’s consistent.
So like:

General list of defenses

Angry response
apology
Shrug off
Meta defense


I can’t say which of these I’d be more likely to give as scum or town. Probably depends more on my mood and like whatever comes to mind first. There are players who I think I would have a better idea of what they’d do but that can be manipulated too.

So what do you think of me for asking the question?

It’s an interesting, if not good, question. You’re a better townie than me but have a more similar playstyle as town than the average player. I have a penchant for WIFOM questions when I’m town. So I’m not going to straight up call it scum, but because you didn’t build a stupid case (yet I suppose) it looks a little better.Therefore, NAI on the first question with slight town read on the follow-up direction.

I'm honestly so lost and not in a good way.

maybe Tony is w/w with either one of sloonei or speed and that's why he asked me if I still thought they could be

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Thu Dec 12, 2019 12:23 am

Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu Dec 12, 2019 12:15 am

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Thu Dec 12, 2019 12:13 am

Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu Dec 12, 2019 12:10 am

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Thu Dec 12, 2019 12:08 am I’m here for fifteen minutes. Please say things I can react to so I can feel like a participatory member of this game.

You’re scum for lying low yesterday.

This is a WIFOM trap and I don’t like it.

Interesting. Explain.

There is basically no normal response I could give to the post that I (and presumably you) wouldn’t be able to read and create an argument for in either direction. Now you’ve played with me a few times and so I’m not doubting that as best as I try to hide it I’d give off a sort of meta tone read but I don’t think it’s consistent.
So like:

General list of defenses

Angry response
apology
Shrug off
Meta defense


I can’t say which of these I’d be more likely to give as scum or town. Probably depends more on my mood and like whatever comes to mind first. There are players who I think I would have a better idea of what they’d do but that can be manipulated too.

I don't get this post and I kinda think it's scummy

speedchuck wrote: ↑Wed Dec 11, 2019 10:41 pm

Spoiler: show

nutella wrote: ↑Wed Dec 11, 2019 10:25 pm

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Wed Dec 11, 2019 6:39 am

nutella wrote: ↑Tue Dec 10, 2019 9:55 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue Dec 10, 2019 9:54 pm

nutella wrote: ↑Tue Dec 10, 2019 9:53 pm I think Rej is fitting what little I understand of his town meta. Drago I haven't seen enough from yet to feel strongly about.

I feel like i have seen more proactive version of Dragomir in previous games. But that includes Day 1 of Inception, when he was mafia.

True.

I might hop on just for funsies/so that my vote matters more than it does now and bc I don't really see a reason for Dom to be lynched

That sounds like a weak motivation to jump on the drago wagon which you also don't feel strongly about.

If I couldn't see the poll as I'm making this catch up I would get no indication that you suspect drago more than Dom. Or that you suspect dragon enough to give up on the speed thing you were pushing before.

Sorry, the speed thing you were moaning about before. Because the only thing you did about it was vote speed early on poorly explained grounds when spend the whole day crying "why you aren't voting speed with meeee" to people.

Wow

nutella wrote: ↑Mon Dec 09, 2019 2:01 pm

speedchuck wrote: ↑Mon Dec 09, 2019 10:54 am

nutella wrote: ↑Mon Dec 09, 2019 1:27 am

speedchuck wrote: ↑Mon Dec 09, 2019 12:23 am really though jack could have let us grill creature for a bit before nullifying it. INTERESTING

??? What is this

What do you think it is?

I honestly don't know. Explain to me why you didn't want to hear a townread on creature this early. Disappointed that he's not going to be an easy target of suspicion?

yeah

nutella wrote: ↑Mon Dec 09, 2019 2:55 pm

speedchuck wrote: ↑Mon Dec 09, 2019 2:44 pm

nutella wrote: ↑Mon Dec 09, 2019 2:01 pm

speedchuck wrote: ↑Mon Dec 09, 2019 10:54 am

nutella wrote: ↑Mon Dec 09, 2019 1:27 am

??? What is this

What do you think it is?

I honestly don't know. Explain to me why you didn't want to hear a townread on creature this early. Disappointed that he's not going to be an easy target of suspicion?

That 'townread' was Jack neutering an early-game source of conflict, suspicion, and actual content by appealing to meta. It's the beginning of the game. Everything should be as volatile as possible.

But it's not a conflict if there isn't disagreement. Stating a townread should be fine for that, if you disagree you can continue on that topic.

you're

nutella wrote: ↑Mon Dec 09, 2019 2:56 pm Speed discouraging people from contributing their townreads is bad.

right

nutella wrote: ↑Mon Dec 09, 2019 3:03 pm

speedchuck wrote: ↑Mon Dec 09, 2019 2:58 pm

nutella wrote: ↑Mon Dec 09, 2019 2:55 pm

speedchuck wrote: ↑Mon Dec 09, 2019 2:44 pm

nutella wrote: ↑Mon Dec 09, 2019 2:01 pm

I honestly don't know. Explain to me why you didn't want to hear a townread on creature this early. Disappointed that he's not going to be an easy target of suspicion?

That 'townread' was Jack neutering an early-game source of conflict, suspicion, and actual content by appealing to meta. It's the beginning of the game. Everything should be as volatile as possible.

But it's not a conflict if there isn't disagreement. Stating a townread should be fine for that, if you disagree you can continue on that topic.

I assumed Creature would disagree, and then I could say he is biased and defending himself, and we could whirl down a spiral of blame and recursive arguments and THEN Jack could stop us.

And people like you would comment on it and be all like "how scummy" and we'd have a lot to work with.

I guess that's happening anyway now, so thanks. [VOTE: nutella] aubergine

No. This is total bullshit lmao. I don't see the scenario you're describing ever happening like that, and look we are still talky about this so clearly someone successfully generated content. Your assessment of my role in this makes no sense though. Are you just openwolfing?

[VOTE: speedchuck] aubergine

I haven't

nutella wrote: ↑Mon Dec 09, 2019 6:58 pm

speedchuck wrote: ↑Mon Dec 09, 2019 6:32 pm

dunya wrote: ↑Mon Dec 09, 2019 6:03 pm oh, i think nutella is town. don't lynch her.

speedchuck is another option for me. i feel something intentional and careful in his posts and tone towards others. don't like it.

I agree with half of this post

The other half is like, what. Why.

So you don't suspect me? What did you gain from that exercise? I don't see you commenting on reactions or whatever, you seem to have just moved on.

given my reasons

nutella wrote: ↑Tue Dec 10, 2019 2:23 pm

speedchuck wrote: ↑Tue Dec 10, 2019 2:21 pm

Rej wrote: ↑Tue Dec 10, 2019 1:53 pm

speedchuck wrote: ↑Tue Dec 10, 2019 10:24 am

Rej wrote: ↑Tue Dec 10, 2019 8:44 am

wow you really give zero fucks this game, you must be a civ, you would never fuck up your mafia brethern like that? playing this jaded?

did anything else in this DP caught your attention? I haven't seen many reads about Mac. He just seems to carry some energy with him, energy I haven't seen in much of his D0/D1 plays.

Is the first half of this post a sarcasm? Because it seems like one to me.

tbh I am 50/50, it's true that Dragos overall behaviour in mafia changed, from game to game he gives less a fuck, that is reasonable if you busy yourself with other things, but still a mafia drago wouldn't make himself such an easy target I feel, tho town drago tends to do help town in any kind of form

Those two fifties have completely opposite meanings

[VOTE: Rej] aubergine

So?

for suspecting speed

nutella wrote: ↑Tue Dec 10, 2019 3:15 pm Speed isn't thinking critically on enough levels he's just calling things scummy that aren't really. He's scum

ever at all,

nutella wrote: ↑Tue Dec 10, 2019 3:26 pm basically he's calling rej scum for not having a coherent stance on drago. I don't have a coherent stance on drago either so idk why that's sus

you got me

This post is trash.

There are actually only four 'reasons' in there, despite the ridiculous number of posts that nutella has supposedly implicated me in.

1. Speed is discouraging townreads. Bullshit. We've covered that in earlier posts.
2. Speed didn't fully follow up on his supposed pot-stirring. Somewhat fair. I am a busy man. All I have time to do is stir the pot, and rarely can taste the noodles.
3. Speed's read on Rej is just for him not having a coherent stance on Drago. Bullshit. It was about his say-nothing appeasement of an answer, that only makes sense if he's trying to play both sides of his statement. Weasel words.
4. Speed isn't thinking critically enough to make good scumreads, so he's scum. Bullshit. I shouldn't have to explain why this is bullshit. I've gotten scum player of the year before, and I get accused of not being SMART enough about my reads to be town in this game?

Nutella tunneling me is NAI but it does grate after a while.

0. Sure I admit I slightly exaggerated with the quotes, not all of them really have contentful accusations but they're pretty much all relevant in some way.
1. Have we? I don't think I was ever properly convinced that what you did with Jack was not discouraging townreads (or since apparently it wasn't a townread in the first place, discouraging Jack from providing input on a player being discussed) -- you said some rather incoherent stuff about keeping things volatile, and I didn't understand why Jack stating his disagreement was counter to that.
2. Yeah that was a weaker point, I'm not super invested in it but I still don't really get what you were doing with the vote on me and subsequent backoff
3. I can understand the perspective that Rej was kinda weaselly about not having a real opinion to state, but I maintain that the general wishy-washy-ness in itself can be townie.
4. I'm not trying to say you're not being smart. It was more that you were trying to capitalize on what could be an easy reason to set someone up for suspicion (maybe banking on the hope that other players wouldn't see through to how shallow it was). (this was again I'm pretty sure in relation to the idea that Rej was scummy for being wishy-washy, which you've qualified a bit more here tbf.)

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Thu Dec 12, 2019 12:11 am

Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu Dec 12, 2019 12:09 am

nutella wrote: ↑Thu Dec 12, 2019 12:01 am I'm done doing your homework for you sloonei. Have some ketchup with your paprika

speedchuck responded to your big post. Do you have any thoughts on that?

I am still inclined to disagree with the one point you made about his Rej suspicion. He articulated the same response that I did earlier. I have an easier time grasping your point about his handling of Creature (though I’m unclear on the exact context of that whole exchange. Please regurgitate it for my helpless baby bird brain). I’ll get around to developing my own independent read on speed eventually. I don’t have the mental energy for it.

Can you see an angle where speed is town?

Nutella, given exactly this post please tell me if you think your two voting targets are w/w.

I think it's possible, yeah. Should this post specifically make me think otherwise?

Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu Dec 12, 2019 12:09 am

nutella wrote: ↑Thu Dec 12, 2019 12:01 am I'm done doing your homework for you sloonei. Have some ketchup with your paprika

speedchuck responded to your big post. Do you have any thoughts on that?

I am still inclined to disagree with the one point you made about his Rej suspicion. He articulated the same response that I did earlier. I have an easier time grasping your point about his handling of Creature (though I’m unclear on the exact context of that whole exchange. Please regurgitate it for my helpless baby bird brain). I’ll get around to developing my own independent read on speed eventually. I don’t have the mental energy for it.

Can you see an angle where speed is town?

yeah I'll respond to his response. I can of course see an angle where he's town and am probably falling victim to a bit of confbias/tunneling but basically his entire presence in this game has consistently reeked to me.

boo wrote: ↑Thu Dec 12, 2019 12:07 am

nutella wrote: ↑Wed Dec 11, 2019 11:59 pm

boo wrote: ↑Wed Dec 11, 2019 11:56 pm

Long Con wrote: ↑Wed Dec 11, 2019 11:51 pm

boo wrote: ↑Wed Dec 11, 2019 11:36 pm

Long Con wrote: ↑Wed Dec 11, 2019 11:35 pm

boo wrote: ↑Wed Dec 11, 2019 11:27 pm [VOTE: LC] aubergine the other one.

Hey, what did I do?

Killed Dom.

I believe that would make me the vigilante. Why would the Mafia kill Dom after he came very close to getting lynched?

I didn't kill anyone.

I didnt mean you were literally the triggerman. But Omar (more likely than a vig, imo) bought into your Dom suspicion and killed him for it and that didn't work out, which makes me double down on my belief in your insincerity on the case against Dom.

.....ohhh

so you think LC is mafia who tried to bait a vig/3p kill onto a townie?

It seems like something he'd do in a situation where he didn't care about the lynch result. So since both Drago and Dom were civ, I think LC was bad and was using a bad civ D1 to sow chaos. It's what he does best.

fair enough

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Thu Dec 12, 2019 12:05 am

nutella wrote: ↑Wed Dec 11, 2019 11:59 pm

boo wrote: ↑Wed Dec 11, 2019 11:56 pm

Long Con wrote: ↑Wed Dec 11, 2019 11:51 pm

boo wrote: ↑Wed Dec 11, 2019 11:36 pm

Long Con wrote: ↑Wed Dec 11, 2019 11:35 pm

boo wrote: ↑Wed Dec 11, 2019 11:27 pm [VOTE: LC] aubergine the other one.

Hey, what did I do?

Killed Dom.

I believe that would make me the vigilante. Why would the Mafia kill Dom after he came very close to getting lynched?

I didn't kill anyone.

I didnt mean you were literally the triggerman. But Omar (more likely than a vig, imo) bought into your Dom suspicion and killed him for it and that didn't work out, which makes me double down on my belief in your insincerity on the case against Dom.

.....ohhh

so you think LC is mafia who tried to bait a vig/3p kill onto a townie?

hmm my gut is to super not like this. Maybe too w/w to be w/w but explaining ideas like this is something I generally see as scum.

can you clarify what you're referring to here? who are you implying could be w/w? me and boo? or am I misreading

boo wrote: ↑Thu Dec 12, 2019 12:00 am

Sloonei wrote: ↑Wed Dec 11, 2019 11:53 pm

boo wrote: ↑Wed Dec 11, 2019 11:51 pm

dunya wrote: ↑Wed Dec 11, 2019 11:43 pm I feel worse about nutella today too. So much changes after 3 dead town.

Like you immediately somehow feeling better about Sloonei? You're wrong to have changed your mind on that, imo. If @Zemmi actually shows up I'll be happy cause then I can move from her to Sloonei.

You’re incapable of moving to me now? Why do you want to?

No, but with two votes, I'm going to use one as a policy vote for at least the time being.

that's a bad policy

I'm done doing your homework for you sloonei. Have some ketchup with your paprika

boo wrote: ↑Wed Dec 11, 2019 11:56 pm

Long Con wrote: ↑Wed Dec 11, 2019 11:51 pm

boo wrote: ↑Wed Dec 11, 2019 11:36 pm

Long Con wrote: ↑Wed Dec 11, 2019 11:35 pm

boo wrote: ↑Wed Dec 11, 2019 11:27 pm [VOTE: LC] aubergine the other one.

Hey, what did I do?

Killed Dom.

I believe that would make me the vigilante. Why would the Mafia kill Dom after he came very close to getting lynched?

I didn't kill anyone.

I didnt mean you were literally the triggerman. But Omar (more likely than a vig, imo) bought into your Dom suspicion and killed him for it and that didn't work out, which makes me double down on my belief in your insincerity on the case against Dom.

.....ohhh

so you think LC is mafia who tried to bait a vig/3p kill onto a townie?

Sloonei wrote: ↑Wed Dec 11, 2019 11:53 pm

nutella wrote: ↑Wed Dec 11, 2019 11:49 pm

dunya wrote: ↑Wed Dec 11, 2019 11:34 pm

boo wrote: ↑Wed Dec 11, 2019 11:32 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Wed Dec 11, 2019 11:27 pm

boo wrote: ↑Wed Dec 11, 2019 11:27 pm [VOTE: LC] aubergine the other one.

Why?

It's provocative. It gets the people going.

It's empty and safe.

Ohhh I'm proud of myself for this one.

im proud of u too

[VOTE: speedchuck] aubergine and [VOTE: sloonei] aubergine

gottem

Talk to me some more about speedchuck?

Ffs nobody reads my goddamn posts. I quoted a bunch of my takes on him just a bit before the night post

Long Con wrote: ↑Wed Dec 11, 2019 11:51 pm

boo wrote: ↑Wed Dec 11, 2019 11:36 pm

Long Con wrote: ↑Wed Dec 11, 2019 11:35 pm

boo wrote: ↑Wed Dec 11, 2019 11:27 pm [VOTE: LC] aubergine the other one.

Hey, what did I do?

Killed Dom.

I believe that would make me the vigilante. Why would the Mafia kill Dom after he came very close to getting lynched?

I didn't kill anyone.

I figured it was a vig too but maybe a somewhat-town-friendly 3p? Boo knows the show and is probably assuming it's Omar?

boo wrote: ↑Wed Dec 11, 2019 11:51 pm

dunya wrote: ↑Wed Dec 11, 2019 11:43 pm I feel worse about nutella today too. So much changes after 3 dead town.

Like you immediately somehow feeling better about Sloonei? You're wrong to have changed your mind on that, imo. If @Zemmi actually shows up I'll be happy cause then I can move from her to Sloonei.

why does zemmi have any bearing on whether you vote for sloonei? vote for sloonei if you damn well want to my guy. zemmi will get replaced if need be

dunya wrote: ↑Wed Dec 11, 2019 11:43 pm I feel worse about nutella today too. So much changes after 3 dead town.

why?

sig wrote: ↑Wed Dec 11, 2019 11:40 pm Tin foil theory like super tin foil, but could Dom be mafia that flipped civ?

linki: Look through Mac's post lynch one of his top suspects assuming they have meh behavior. USe the other lynch to pursue someone unrelated to NKA analysis since they can be hit or miss. MY first thoughts go to people who hopped on either wagon without good reasoning. Mafia would potentially wanna hide among those voters. I'm also minorly pinged by Rej, Nanook, and Nutella.

who flipped role blocker (and flavor wise a "good" character)? no lol u high

dunya wrote: ↑Wed Dec 11, 2019 11:34 pm

boo wrote: ↑Wed Dec 11, 2019 11:32 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Wed Dec 11, 2019 11:27 pm

boo wrote: ↑Wed Dec 11, 2019 11:27 pm [VOTE: LC] aubergine the other one.

Why?

It's provocative. It gets the people going.

It's empty and safe.

Ohhh I'm proud of myself for this one.

im proud of u too

[VOTE: speedchuck] aubergine and [VOTE: sloonei] aubergine

gottem

Sloonei wrote: ↑Wed Dec 11, 2019 11:13 pm

dunya wrote: ↑Wed Dec 11, 2019 11:11 pm Well there goes my dom theory. I'll try better

Can I be town now?

Y

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oh we get to lynch two people hm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Wed Dec 11, 2019 11:04 pm

dunya wrote: ↑Wed Dec 11, 2019 10:57 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Wed Dec 11, 2019 10:51 pm Here is me talking about speedchuck.

I meant an actual opinion on speed. The last para of that post is someone who doesn't want strong conflicting opinions being attached to him imho.

I literally had not read the thread at that point. I replaced into this game midway through Day 1 after skimming lightly for the first few pages. I didn’t have time to really get involved until just before the deadline yesterday. I could only really deal with the content that was in front of me.

For the sake of taking a stance, I’ll say speedchuck is town. That one post in question that nutella highlighted looked like a civilian trying to put pressure on a player to me.

blah

Sloonei wrote: ↑Wed Dec 11, 2019 10:51 pm Here is me talking about speedchuck.

...Not really lol.

Damn all the good characters dying.

dunya wrote: ↑Wed Dec 11, 2019 10:34 pm

nutella wrote: ↑Wed Dec 11, 2019 10:27 pm also that final quote is extra fun in light of the drago flip. scum speed would be biased toward assuming one would have a "coherent stance" on drago since he would have had tmi

Sloonei and speed make sense as teammates. I dont see sloonei pick up anything from speed despite him being a central piece of attention vs u on day 1. If they're teammates, sloonei would actively avoid talking about him and reminding us. He keeps choosing names like rej and drago and boo as names "people have been talking about" "Tell me more about these names"

Feels like focusing the narrative away from Dom etc.

mmm yeah

dunya wrote: ↑Wed Dec 11, 2019 10:31 pm Sloonei's iso is made up of 100 shooting questions with about 5% follow up rate. Bad.

Also the desperation to lynch someone that isn't Dom comes through. What's worse for a mafia team than losing an absent teammember on day 1? Nothing. I'm not at all convinced he was convinced drago was the best option. He actively tries to persuade himself to.

Also I sense serious defensiveness or hesitation. He says LC is the person he trusts most. When questioned about why, he answers meekly and then follows it up with "but he's gone quiet so...". Not a fan of that part.

ya this is good

I'm not totally ready to make associative reads without knowing Dom's alignment and I could see Sloonei as scum here regardless of it, but this is a strong take

also that final quote is extra fun in light of the drago flip. scum speed would be biased toward assuming one would have a "coherent stance" on drago since he would have had tmi

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Wed Dec 11, 2019 6:39 am

nutella wrote: ↑Tue Dec 10, 2019 9:55 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue Dec 10, 2019 9:54 pm

nutella wrote: ↑Tue Dec 10, 2019 9:53 pm I think Rej is fitting what little I understand of his town meta. Drago I haven't seen enough from yet to feel strongly about.

I feel like i have seen more proactive version of Dragomir in previous games. But that includes Day 1 of Inception, when he was mafia.

True.

I might hop on just for funsies/so that my vote matters more than it does now and bc I don't really see a reason for Dom to be lynched

That sounds like a weak motivation to jump on the drago wagon which you also don't feel strongly about.

If I couldn't see the poll as I'm making this catch up I would get no indication that you suspect drago more than Dom. Or that you suspect dragon enough to give up on the speed thing you were pushing before.

Sorry, the speed thing you were moaning about before. Because the only thing you did about it was vote speed early on poorly explained grounds when spend the whole day crying "why you aren't voting speed with meeee" to people.

Wow

nutella wrote: ↑Mon Dec 09, 2019 2:01 pm

speedchuck wrote: ↑Mon Dec 09, 2019 10:54 am

nutella wrote: ↑Mon Dec 09, 2019 1:27 am

speedchuck wrote: ↑Mon Dec 09, 2019 12:23 am really though jack could have let us grill creature for a bit before nullifying it. INTERESTING

??? What is this

What do you think it is?

I honestly don't know. Explain to me why you didn't want to hear a townread on creature this early. Disappointed that he's not going to be an easy target of suspicion?

yeah

nutella wrote: ↑Mon Dec 09, 2019 2:55 pm

speedchuck wrote: ↑Mon Dec 09, 2019 2:44 pm

nutella wrote: ↑Mon Dec 09, 2019 2:01 pm

speedchuck wrote: ↑Mon Dec 09, 2019 10:54 am

nutella wrote: ↑Mon Dec 09, 2019 1:27 am

speedchuck wrote: ↑Mon Dec 09, 2019 12:23 am really though jack could have let us grill creature for a bit before nullifying it. INTERESTING

??? What is this

What do you think it is?

I honestly don't know. Explain to me why you didn't want to hear a townread on creature this early. Disappointed that he's not going to be an easy target of suspicion?

That 'townread' was Jack neutering an early-game source of conflict, suspicion, and actual content by appealing to meta. It's the beginning of the game. Everything should be as volatile as possible.

But it's not a conflict if there isn't disagreement. Stating a townread should be fine for that, if you disagree you can continue on that topic.

you're

nutella wrote: ↑Mon Dec 09, 2019 2:56 pm Speed discouraging people from contributing their townreads is bad.

right

nutella wrote: ↑Mon Dec 09, 2019 3:03 pm

speedchuck wrote: ↑Mon Dec 09, 2019 2:58 pm

nutella wrote: ↑Mon Dec 09, 2019 2:55 pm

speedchuck wrote: ↑Mon Dec 09, 2019 2:44 pm

nutella wrote: ↑Mon Dec 09, 2019 2:01 pm

speedchuck wrote: ↑Mon Dec 09, 2019 10:54 am

nutella wrote: ↑Mon Dec 09, 2019 1:27 am

??? What is this

What do you think it is?

I honestly don't know. Explain to me why you didn't want to hear a townread on creature this early. Disappointed that he's not going to be an easy target of suspicion?

That 'townread' was Jack neutering an early-game source of conflict, suspicion, and actual content by appealing to meta. It's the beginning of the game. Everything should be as volatile as possible.

But it's not a conflict if there isn't disagreement. Stating a townread should be fine for that, if you disagree you can continue on that topic.

I assumed Creature would disagree, and then I could say he is biased and defending himself, and we could whirl down a spiral of blame and recursive arguments and THEN Jack could stop us.

And people like you would comment on it and be all like "how scummy" and we'd have a lot to work with.

I guess that's happening anyway now, so thanks. [VOTE: nutella] aubergine

No. This is total bullshit lmao. I don't see the scenario you're describing ever happening like that, and look we are still talky about this so clearly someone successfully generated content. Your assessment of my role in this makes no sense though. Are you just openwolfing?

[VOTE: speedchuck] aubergine

I haven't

nutella wrote: ↑Mon Dec 09, 2019 6:58 pm

speedchuck wrote: ↑Mon Dec 09, 2019 6:32 pm

dunya wrote: ↑Mon Dec 09, 2019 6:03 pm oh, i think nutella is town. don't lynch her.

speedchuck is another option for me. i feel something intentional and careful in his posts and tone towards others. don't like it.

I agree with half of this post

The other half is like, what. Why.

So you don't suspect me? What did you gain from that exercise? I don't see you commenting on reactions or whatever, you seem to have just moved on.

given my reasons

nutella wrote: ↑Tue Dec 10, 2019 2:23 pm

speedchuck wrote: ↑Tue Dec 10, 2019 2:21 pm

Rej wrote: ↑Tue Dec 10, 2019 1:53 pm

speedchuck wrote: ↑Tue Dec 10, 2019 10:24 am

Rej wrote: ↑Tue Dec 10, 2019 8:44 am

Dragomir wrote: ↑Tue Dec 10, 2019 6:32 am Well in that case, there's not really much for me to do. Could explain my read on Rej or Mac maybe. But...nah.

wow you really give zero fucks this game, you must be a civ, you would never fuck up your mafia brethern like that? playing this jaded?

did anything else in this DP caught your attention? I haven't seen many reads about Mac. He just seems to carry some energy with him, energy I haven't seen in much of his D0/D1 plays.

Is the first half of this post a sarcasm? Because it seems like one to me.

tbh I am 50/50, it's true that Dragos overall behaviour in mafia changed, from game to game he gives less a fuck, that is reasonable if you busy yourself with other things, but still a mafia drago wouldn't make himself such an easy target I feel, tho town drago tends to do help town in any kind of form

Those two fifties have completely opposite meanings

[VOTE: Rej] aubergine

So?

for suspecting speed

nutella wrote: ↑Tue Dec 10, 2019 3:15 pm Speed isn't thinking critically on enough levels he's just calling things scummy that aren't really. He's scum

ever at all,

nutella wrote: ↑Tue Dec 10, 2019 3:26 pm basically he's calling rej scum for not having a coherent stance on drago. I don't have a coherent stance on drago either so idk why that's sus

you got me

No come on man

speedchuck wrote: ↑Wed Dec 11, 2019 6:14 pm

Creature wrote: ↑Wed Dec 11, 2019 5:56 pm Why was Rej even being voted btw?

For being scum, mostly

Rej wrote: ↑Wed Dec 11, 2019 6:30 pm

Creature wrote: ↑Wed Dec 11, 2019 5:56 pm Why was Rej even being voted btw?

I asked it myself too.

I think Drago was policylynching me while Speedchuck had an actual case and was interested in its outcome.

Meoowww

Are you two kitties together again

I would argue that Sloonei looks a lot worse here than I do. But I'm biased.

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Wed Dec 11, 2019 6:46 am

nutella wrote: ↑Tue Dec 10, 2019 9:57 pm Channel the spirit of the Hyena. Make the tie.

[VOTE: dragomir] aubergine

You're bad.

No?

Why is that bad? I thought Drago was a better bet than Dom.

hm ok

boo wrote: ↑Tue Dec 10, 2019 10:51 pm Well that's not great. That was probably our rolechecker?

I don't remember enough about the character to assume that, but since it's secret I'm guessing it's something a bit complex/weird

[mention]novaselinenever[/mention] just want to check we're allowed to talk during night phase, you haven't locked so I assume yes

ColinIsCool wrote: ↑Tue Dec 10, 2019 9:58 pm

nutella wrote: ↑Tue Dec 10, 2019 9:57 pm Hey guys remember last time Drago was tied on d1 lol wasn't that a fun time for everyone involved hee hee.

So town loses after nabbing the strongest scum role D1, got it.

Shit u rite

Hey guys remember last time Drago was tied on d1 lol wasn't that a fun time for everyone involved hee hee.

Channel the spirit of the Hyena. Make the tie.

[VOTE: dragomir] aubergine

I wish Hyena were here. Now he's fun

Dare I make the tie?

Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue Dec 10, 2019 9:54 pm

nutella wrote: ↑Tue Dec 10, 2019 9:53 pm I think Rej is fitting what little I understand of his town meta. Drago I haven't seen enough from yet to feel strongly about.

I feel like i have seen more proactive version of Dragomir in previous games. But that includes Day 1 of Inception, when he was mafia.

True.

I might hop on just for funsies/so that my vote matters more than it does now and bc I don't really see a reason for Dom to be lynched

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Tue Dec 10, 2019 9:54 pm Here’s a feeling:

Nutes said she was gonna chill and talk and then promptly ignored me and that makes me sad

well you stopped being fun :<

I think Rej is fitting what little I understand of his town meta. Drago I haven't seen enough from yet to feel strongly about.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue Dec 10, 2019 9:32 pm

nutella wrote: ↑Tue Dec 10, 2019 9:32 pm

boo wrote: ↑Tue Dec 10, 2019 9:31 pm Anyone thinking about voting Sloonei? Is that an option?

I would tbh

You always would.

Yeah but like I actually would here. I suspected your slot even before you subbed in. If nobody is going to join me on speed, I'm more likely to hop on a wagon on you than one on dom/ddl/drago/rej/whoever

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Tue Dec 10, 2019 9:32 pm

nutella wrote: ↑Tue Dec 10, 2019 9:31 pm

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Tue Dec 10, 2019 9:30 pm Wait you know him too

oh really

It’s elli lol

haaaaa lolol

boo wrote: ↑Tue Dec 10, 2019 9:31 pm Anyone thinking about voting Sloonei? Is that an option?

I would tbh

I'm just here to chat with nanook, the rest of yall can choose which random non-speedchuck person you're lynching for no reason

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Tue Dec 10, 2019 9:30 pm Wait you know him too

oh really

Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue Dec 10, 2019 9:25 pm

nutella wrote: ↑Tue Dec 10, 2019 9:24 pm I remain staunchly pro-catchup (ambivalent on the similarly named condiment) because this is why I have to explain things to Sloonei after they've already been addressed

But then I'd have to read words and that's boring.

is this the English major equivalent of math majors claiming they can't do basic arithmetic anymore

I remain staunchly pro-catchup (ambivalent on the similarly named condiment) because this is why I have to explain things to Sloonei after they've already been addressed

Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue Dec 10, 2019 9:20 pm Voting for Dom feels like a shrug. I am not inclined to cast a shrug vote on Day 1 for a player like Dom. He's going to give us more content to assess later on regardless of his alginment.

boo's case against Colin seems to hinge upon, or at least imply, that we are bad together. I can't vote for that case. I think I like that boo presented the case, though.

DDL, Drago, and Rej are three names I've seen floated in conversations. Who wants to ketch me up to speed on them?

He actually clarified that he didn't mean you were necessarily Colin's teammate (I had interpreted it that way as well) -- he figured that any scum might have pointed out jay's thing in btsc. Kinda weird thing to assume without the attached assumption that jay was on the team, but whatever, it's what he said.

ColinIsCool wrote: ↑Tue Dec 10, 2019 8:54 pm I could go either way on Dom tbh. I don’t think he looks any different than what I’ve seen as town at least in an early state but it is true that everything he’s posted is easy to fake.

this is about where I'm at. Dom seems to be pretty much his usual self but he is decent at faking it when scum so I don't feel strongly about him either way.