The Syndicate

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu Apr 09, 2020 3:05 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu Apr 09, 2020 3:01 pm i'm gonna design a mafia game where players need to communicate via pheromones.

cumming soon

Wtf this is from a year ago and I didn't know it existed. Foul. There are children on this website.

ts account wrote: ↑Thu Apr 09, 2020 3:01 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu Apr 09, 2020 2:58 pm Wagonomics is terrible.

Equity is terrible.

EV is terrible.

Sticking an exclamation mark into a two-word phrase to indicate a hypothetical e.g. scum!JJJ is terrible.

"____ is always mafia here" is terrible.

WIM is terrible.

Lingo is terrible.

Mafia is a terrible game, so I see no problem with this.
Due to wagonomics, Epignosis is always mafia here. We have higher EV from lynching them over any player with partner equity.
I agree with the exclamation point thing, that always has struck me as weirdly over-the-top.

It's from fanfic culture I'm pretty sure, so yeah, over-the-top is accurate.

Funnygurl555 wrote: ↑Thu Apr 09, 2020 3:00 pm is anyone on the same wavelength as me rn in that tsp's claim sounds hella flawed

i'm thinking he might have a role where he could kill characters or certain characters instead of being a cop. what he's saying is way too convoluted and i don't understand how he couldn't have had anything from n1

what did you try to do n1 tsp? how did you come up with nothing?

i'm starting to get a mini epi in my head saying "what? what does x or why even mean?" and i'm starting to erase the filler words in my posts. oh no... oh no this game is changing me. i just added 2 periods in

Yeah, or it could be a role cop which would make sense as a mafia role.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu Apr 09, 2020 2:58 pm Wagonomics is terrible.

Equity is terrible.

EV is terrible.

Sticking an exclamation mark into a two-word phrase to indicate a hypothetical e.g. scum!JJJ is terrible.

"____ is always mafia here" is terrible.

WIM is terrible.

Lingo is terrible.

I like some lingo. But most of these are pretty cringey yeah

ts account wrote: ↑Thu Apr 09, 2020 2:55 pm Things? As in, you have given other players items?

No, there were other things we were given the option to do but Sloonei's gift is the only one we did.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu Apr 09, 2020 2:53 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu Apr 09, 2020 2:50 pm

nutella wrote: ↑Thu Apr 09, 2020 2:48 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu Apr 09, 2020 2:46 pm

ts account wrote: ↑Thu Apr 09, 2020 2:45 pm Sorry I did not refresh in time. But yes, you mentioned it in the thread. If you had not, how would I have known you had an apple? Unless we were scumbuds...

I have reason to believe the mafia team was aware of the apple before I used it.

Why and how?

Details of the message in which it was delivered to me.

This wouldn't surprise me. Our Things were often portrayed as being of a give-and-take nature -- there's some risk involved.

Yeah... I hope we didn't screw up.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu Apr 09, 2020 2:48 pm I think the best thing going for Tony had been his interaction with Turnip Head. That will need another look.

I remember disliking TH's mentions of Tony, fwiw.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu Apr 09, 2020 2:46 pm

ts account wrote: ↑Thu Apr 09, 2020 2:45 pm Sorry I did not refresh in time. But yes, you mentioned it in the thread. If you had not, how would I have known you had an apple? Unless we were scumbuds...

I have reason to believe the mafia team was aware of the apple before I used it.

Why and how?

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu Apr 09, 2020 2:44 pm If ts account wants Sloonei to be a mafioso so bad it hurts, then ts account is a civilian.

This is subject to interpretation, obviously. So: interpret.

I've already concluded that speed and tony are the remaining mafia.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu Apr 09, 2020 2:43 pm How did you know it was an apple, michael?

You said so in the thread at some point. Even Jay and I didn't know that

ts account wrote: ↑Thu Apr 09, 2020 2:41 pm Okay, so Tony is likely not referring to the apple here then. Rats.

...so?

I assumed he was referring to the Ted kill that most of us decided was probably by Mac

ts account wrote: ↑Thu Apr 09, 2020 2:31 pm When exactly was Sloonei given the apple?

To my knowledge, Sunday around 4:30-5 my time (7:30-8 Eastern) so about a day before the end of Day 2 (though he could only use it during the night)

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Thu Apr 09, 2020 2:09 pm Targeted at someone who was about to be mechanically cleared?

Once again I need you to help me out here. What?

Tony been done did outed his dang self.

Wait yeah what??

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Thu Apr 09, 2020 2:02 pm

nutella wrote: ↑Thu Apr 09, 2020 1:55 pm

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Thu Apr 09, 2020 1:54 pm I think LC is town. Likely if I were scum my scum partner has taken the target of me or LC. I’m not helping the case by defending LC.
Only speed has
oh I see a problem here

Now I'm just more confused.

my argument doesn’t hold if my teammate is speed because he also has voiced suspicion of FG but I figured that halfway through

......

Hot take: "Wagonomics" is an even worse term than "equity"


It's just awful

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Thu Apr 09, 2020 1:55 pm

nutella wrote: ↑Thu Apr 09, 2020 1:54 pm I think he's saying he should look good for defending LC/removing him from the poe? Remind us of your reasoning for doing so?

Self vote, general town spirit

K

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Thu Apr 09, 2020 1:54 pm I think LC is town. Likely if I were scum my scum partner has taken the target of me or LC. I’m not helping the case by defending LC.
Only speed has
oh I see a problem here

Now I'm just more confused.

I think he's saying he should look good for defending LC/removing him from the poe? Remind us of your reasoning for doing so?

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Thu Apr 09, 2020 1:49 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu Apr 09, 2020 1:48 pm Just a general concern regarding Tony:

If the mafia are being squeezed out by POE, they need to expand that pool to stay viable. Maintaining FunnyGurl as a high suspect may fit that idea.

to be honest thought about the optics of this.
Given that this is WIFOM, but I don’t think I’d be so high to defend LC.

I don't understand this post.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu Apr 09, 2020 1:48 pm Just a general concern regarding Tony:

If the mafia are being squeezed out by POE, they need to expand that pool to stay viable. Maintaining FunnyGurl as a high suspect may fit that idea.

Yeah, this is part of my icky feelings about him.

I'm being dramatic. Maybe not. Maybe Tony is okay. His posts here just don't feel right.

Mikey is definitely still a major candidate.

Tony and speed are scum I'm locking it from this page alone.

ts account wrote: ↑Thu Apr 09, 2020 2:40 am Maybe Jay and nutella decided to prank us by saying we are in lylo, when there really are only three wolves, for some reason. That would not be too unusual, I think.

The numbers we provided are the numbers to our knowledge. But it's interesting that you want to put this idea forth.

ts account wrote: ↑Thu Apr 09, 2020 12:42 am I have signatures disabled. (As well as avatars, emotes, and image embeds.) What is it?

First of all how do you read anything/distinguish who posted at a quick glance, second of all and more important you are so missing out on our amazing emotes

Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu Apr 09, 2020 12:23 am Let’s do a trustfall

I'm a freaking god. I don't need anyone to catch me.

ts account wrote: ↑Thu Apr 09, 2020 12:01 am

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Wed Apr 08, 2020 11:57 pm When you say it feels like Sloonei is slimey and whispering in your ear, what exactly do you mean by that? Can you expand somehow upon that perception?

I realize we're operating a hypothetical and evidence-free zone. I have a reason.

Obviously since it is a gut read I cannot really quantify it. I can stamp it with [Agenda] or [Trying to control the thread] and yet sloonei's behavior is slightly more insidious than either of those?
I feel I do not understand why sloonei says any of the things they say, and I cannot see myself asking the same questions. As though they are intentionally leading a puppet of themselves toward their desired outcome.

What you're trying to say is "beep boop"

*Parrot*

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Wed Apr 08, 2020 11:44 pm
I don't think Mikey looks terrible in that exchange. I don't know that he looks good either. I appreciate the assertiveness of his tone. I don't think the points he made were sound. So there's an interplay there and something's gotta give.

I agree with this. Well put.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Wed Apr 08, 2020 11:29 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Wed Apr 08, 2020 11:28 pm @ts account @Sloonei What is your experience playing together to your knowledge?

I can only remember one Bulbagarden game the three of us played when I was a mafioso shot by a serial killer.

I have no distinct memory of him as a player, but I know I have been in at least one game with him in the past. If it was the bublagarden game, then I was surrounded by unfamiliar faces so

He was also in World Flags

Skimmed the beginning of the sloonei/mikey dispute again. It started as an overblown misunderstanding over sloonei's "mechanical speculation" that was hardly even speculation to begin with. I can easily imagine a world where scum!mikey took advantage of this as an easy thing to jump on early. Idk. I find it largely inconclusive, but I haven't examined the rest of it in detail because the back and forth posts just get longer and longer

Sloonei wrote: ↑Wed Apr 08, 2020 11:16 pm @nutella @JaggedJimmyJay the first Big Event in this game was a disagreement between myself and mikey. I can't read it without any personal bias. Would appreciate your thoughts, if you have the time. It begins on page 1 with leetic's vote for me.

I was sort of reading it while it was happening. At the time I came away from it with the impression that you were probably both town. I may have to read it again with a new perspective.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Wed Apr 08, 2020 10:55 pm I'd like for everyone to please rank every other living player in order of least-to-most suspicious purely based on your gut feelings about them. Don't worry about "evidence" or whatever. Just ask your instincts.

JaggedJimmyJay
Sloonei
funnygurl555
TonyStarkPrime
Long Con
ts account
speedchuck
Epignosis

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Wed Apr 08, 2020 10:48 pm

nutella wrote: ↑Wed Apr 08, 2020 9:54 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Wed Apr 08, 2020 9:40 pm I am hardly distracted by anything in here by the way. I am playing a game with some lads at the moment and can't do any work in here anyway. So banter is super.

I just played some Avalon and Secret Hitler over a video conference. I won my first ever game of the latter (as Hitler), then proceeded to throw the second one

It's fun playing that game with new acquaintances who don't anticipate a decade of Mafia experience to be puked out so loudly.

Haha. I also had that experience with Coup at a party last fall -- I won my first ever game of it after which my boyfriend announced to the other players that I had been to the mafia world championships.

Epignosis wrote: ↑Wed Apr 08, 2020 10:38 pm

Except that you need to find my minion too. And my minion is very good.

This is a fun little puzzle.

moved my vote to speed

ts account wrote: ↑Wed Apr 08, 2020 10:03 pm

nutella wrote: ↑Wed Apr 08, 2020 9:52 pm
I think you're missing some of the nuance that goes into Jay's interaction analyses. It's very possible to spot fake townreads.

It is hard to see what I am faking

Uhh what

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Wed Apr 08, 2020 9:40 pm I am hardly distracted by anything in here by the way. I am playing a game with some lads at the moment and can't do any work in here anyway. So banter is super.

I just played some Avalon and Secret Hitler over a video conference. I won my first ever game of the latter (as Hitler), then proceeded to throw the second one

ts account wrote: ↑Wed Apr 08, 2020 9:37 pm

Epignosis wrote: ↑Wed Apr 08, 2020 9:32 pm Remember folks that all you have to do to fool JaggedJimmyJay is

1) post as much as you can

2) act believably mean to your teammates

That's it. That is all you have to do to beat JaggedJimmyJay.

Or you could simply fake a genuine town read on your partner. If it is detailed and careful enough, nobody will suspect it of partnership anyway.

I think you're missing some of the nuance that goes into Jay's interaction analyses. It's very possible to spot fake townreads.

Epignosis wrote: ↑Wed Apr 08, 2020 9:26 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Wed Apr 08, 2020 9:17 pm

Epignosis wrote: ↑Wed Apr 08, 2020 9:16 pm "People without a spouse or kids are objectively better at Mafia than everybody else."

That's not what I said, implied, meant, suggested, or anything else. Boo hoo.

But just so the folks at home are clear though, what were you saying, implying, meaning, suggesting, or anything else?

Epignosis wrote: ↑Wed Apr 08, 2020 9:32 pm Remember folks that all you have to do to fool JaggedJimmyJay is

1) post as much as you can

2) act believably mean to your teammates

That's it. That is all you have to do to beat JaggedJimmyJay.

I believe his thing about Sloonei is specific to Sloonei, not a comparison to other players.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Wed Apr 08, 2020 9:30 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Wed Apr 08, 2020 9:29 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Wed Apr 08, 2020 9:22 pm i stopped for dinner. the prospect of analyzing the combo of ts account + funnygurl is daunting. Do I want to do it?

I avoided Funnygurl after the roller coaster last time.

I think this is nutella's responsibility, tbh

No way.


I'm nearly comfortable almost-clearing FG anyway for the time being. I think we'll be fine if we lynch Epi and then Speed, and then if we need to assess further after that we can look into her.

This chart is silly. If Epi is bad, according to you his most likely teammates are speed and tony, but then you say those two are incompatible.

ts account wrote: ↑Wed Apr 08, 2020 6:40 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Wed Apr 08, 2020 6:37 pm @ts account what did you find problematic about the interactions of Epignosis and Long Con?

There was consistent emotion from Epignosis that I attributed to anger at Long Con self voting. They also voted together at the end of Day 2. I am living in a world where, if Long Con is mafia, his partners cannot wait to get rid of him.

Jay uses colors the opposite way. Green is a good-looking interaction, red is a bad interaction ie they look like teammates.

^Add onto that the observation that speedchuck has done very little this phase. He's tiptoed around the whole Epi situation. His few posts feel out of touch, like he's avoiding getting involved. And I don't mean that in a way that can be waved away with "he's busy" -- he has had plenty of opportunity to comment on what's been going on, and he has not really said anything susbstantial about Epi other than saying he's "lolcatting/obvscumming" -- easy thing for a wolf to say about a teammate whose lynch is nearly a done deal at this point, and avoiding getting himself into particular trouble with regards to the discussion surrounding said teammate.

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Wed Apr 08, 2020 11:45 am Bad news:
Ted has a ship

Why's this bad. This makes stuff make sense. ??

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Wed Apr 08, 2020 3:56 am An announcement:

A clarification has been made to Mac's role PM. This is a clarification that should have been included in his flip.

In addition, it has come to my attention that ship owners were not all notified that they own a ship. If you own a ship and were not notified, you have now been told that you do.

I sincerely apologize for both oversights.

Oh, lol.

(Clarification: the kill only works on other players that possess a ship. The kill and ship action are tied together, meaning they happen on the same night. Any watchers and/or trackers that may exist in the game will still receive results if someone attempts to target you on a night you use your ship.)

....Oh, huh. K.

So FG could have gotten all those results of people who tried to target Mac even if he used the ship N1. (I still think it's most likely that he used it N2 and killed Ted anyway. Ted did have a ship, it was added to his flip.)

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Wed Apr 08, 2020 1:41 am

Sloonei wrote: ↑Wed Apr 08, 2020 1:40 am

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Wed Apr 08, 2020 1:37 am I suppose the next natural hunting course is to investigate the interrelations of my suspects to determine whether any glaring these two don't work together pairings may exist.

That frankly sounds like a lot after I just did that on the baseball diamond. JJJ so tired. I will need help. I can post my usual pretty chart to clarify precisely what investigations I view as necessary.

Do you have any comment on mac’s pirate ship?

I have paid no attention to that conversation. It looked dumb. What's up with Mac's pirate ship?

Invisible to eagles?