ts account and speedchuck
ts account wrote: ↑Tue Mar 31, 2020 4:10 pm
speedchuck wrote: ↑Tue Mar 31, 2020 10:36 am
@ts account never voted Sloonei through all of this.
Why not?
I surprisingly think funnygurl is wolfier than sloonei at this juncture.
Generic banter. I wonder why the funnygurl read was surprising.
ts account wrote: ↑Tue Mar 31, 2020 4:16 pm
Dragomir- scum lean
Epignosis- null
Funnygurl555- scum lean
leetic- town
Long Con- light town
MacDougall- null
Master Radishes- null
Sloonei- scum lean
speedchuck- null
tedxtr- light town
ts account- town
TonyStarkPrime- null
Turnip Head- null
There are a few players who are likely town who simply have not posted enough for me to get a reasonable read on them- speedchuck and epignosis I would GTH town.
Ted is a problem because their reads don't make sense. Radishes sounds towny in a vacuum but this weird concept of me backtracking must have come from somewhere and I am leery of that. I am probably wrong on sloonei but I will take to task the dismantling of his case anyway. Overall I see a lot of "probably town" simply doing scummy things.
The lord compels me to rage against the null read, but then ts counteracts that by giving a town GTH read on speed. So there's that.
Still null a little while later.
ts account wrote: ↑Wed Apr 01, 2020 4:00 pm
leetic wrote: ↑Wed Apr 01, 2020 3:53 pm
ts account wrote: ↑Wed Apr 01, 2020 3:37 pm
Dragomir- scum
Epignosis- null
Funnygurl555- null
leetic- town
Long Con- null
MacDougall- town
Master Radishes- town lean
Sloonei- scum lean
speedchuck- null
tedxtr- town lean
ts account- town
TonyStarkPrime- null
Turnip Head- town lean
Who do you think would be the most likely third scum in a team with Dragomir and Sloonei?
Long Con is a possibility for a few reasons but I do not think they are worth saying. I think it is unlikely to be speedchuck or tsp. If somehow I am right on both Dragomir and Sloonei then it is possible that one of my town reads is wrong, and it could be perhaps radishes? I am not too concerned with building 3 man teams on day one, so take this with a grain of salt. I did not think too hard about it.
Speedchuck is "unlikely" for no given reason.
ts account wrote: ↑Thu Apr 02, 2020 3:28 pm
Dragomir- scum
Epignosis- null
Funnygurl555- town lean
leetic- town
Long Con- scum
MacDougall- town
Master Radishes- town
Sloonei- scum lean
speedchuck- null
tedxtr- town lean
ts account- town
TonyStarkPrime- null
Turnip Head- town lean
I am feeling a lot better about my reads today. I have plenty of town to work with, that I am confident in. I still do not commit to the hard ted town read, even though it is probably my strongest town lean of the three I have. But ted is an extraordinarily good player if they are able to fake the mindset they have been showing while solving. Epignosis plays similarly to Mantichora, in my opinion, but possibly without the pedigree of the latter? Speedchuck is a curious case, because I remember liking both their tone and them as a person, yet I do not feel so emotionally attached to them here.
I would like to see more from Tony as I believe the null read there is due to their content not really impressing upon me. I find that they have made a few good points but lack any sort of followup or worldbuilding.
Continued null read, but this time he gets a shruggish blurb. "Curious case" "I remember liking them" "I do not feel emotionally attached." That's not very substantive, but it's a negative enough read that I think I'd lean toward it not being indicative of teammates.
ts account wrote: ↑Fri Apr 03, 2020 11:32 pm
So, I still do not like Long Con's behavior last EOD. I also do not like the leetic wagon very much; however... I believe speedchuck is likely to be mafia just due to the tendency for a single mafia to stay off lead wagons. Epignosis or Turnip Head could both be mafia as well for this reason, but I have liked Epignosis' play much less.
Starts Day 2 off by naming speed as a suspect due to wagonomics. Good look.
ts account wrote: ↑Sat Apr 04, 2020 1:28 am
Dragomir wrote: ↑Thu Apr 02, 2020 4:56 pm
Its gonna be hard for me to participate in these remaining hours. I'm quite busy right now so EoD activity is a no go from my side.
My reads right now still have LC as scum but it's not as strong as before. Leetic has creeped up in my scum reads, but it's not very strong either. My reasons don't felt good enough to support a vote on him and I have had a couple mindmelds with him. His defense against my recent accusations were just as well.
Speedchuck is probably my strongest scum read atm doubt that's not saying much as it's still kinda weak, just barely above the other two. I don't think I'll be voting anybody for this phase.
My town reads, on the other hand, are quite strong. max, Sloonei, and FG are the highest; all three equal with each other. Turnip Head, TS, Ted, and Epi follow behind.
Radish and TSP are my remaining null reads.
Here is dragomir's last will. It is not much to go on, since they only had one real scum read that was shared by many other players to begin with. I will assume that Dragomir softed or slipped PR somewhere, as that would be a better reason to kill drago over another person with drago's scum reads.
Sloonei: Have you found that post wherein ted defends macdougall as a partner with a wallpost?
Not a direct mention of speed, but he does some post-mortem reflection on Drago which highlights a post in which Drago scumreads speed, so there's that. That moves the dial a fraction of a percentage point in favor of these two not being teammates, but I barely care.
ts account wrote: ↑Sat Apr 04, 2020 1:50 pm
speedchuck wrote: ↑Sat Apr 04, 2020 8:56 am
[VOTE:
Long Con] aubergine
Today is super busy I'll catch up later.
But I maintain that self-votes are bad.
Why do you think they are bad?
...
Oh brother. Keep moving.
I think I am voting speedchuck today. We will see how they respond.
[VOTE:
speedchuck] aubergine
Two mentions of speed bookend a longer chain post. ts votes mid-Day 2. Cool.
ts account wrote: ↑Sat Apr 04, 2020 6:20 pm
speedchuck wrote: ↑Sat Apr 04, 2020 6:12 pm
I'm not caught up but I'm kinda surprised I would need to quantify that self-voting is scummy. Especially in a close situation like this. Does self-voting accomplish anything other than gambling for town cred?
Are you being serious?
Somewhat mocking tone in response to speed's LC suspicion.
ts account wrote: ↑Sun Apr 05, 2020 3:40 pm
Speedchuck's posts isolated to this page sound fairly genuine, so I am not sure what to think.
Takes a few steps back on the speed suspicion.
ts account wrote: ↑Mon Apr 06, 2020 5:10 pm
I am feeling a little bit dizzy, but not physically. I know that does not make sense. I suppose I will try to share some in depth reads tomorrow, but I do not currently feel inclined to lynch either of the vegetables. However, yesterday we did not get roleclaims from either of the wagons. I suggest we change that today.
Right now I am looking at Epignosis or speedchuck to lynch.
Back on the chuck wagon. That momentary blip above becomes a good look in this context: if they're partners I see no reason for mikey to walk back his distancing ploy in the most insignificant way imaginable before immediately resuming it.
ts account wrote: ↑Mon Apr 06, 2020 6:52 pm
[VOTE:
speedchuck] aubergine
A vote
ts account wrote: ↑Tue Apr 07, 2020 8:42 pm
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Apr 07, 2020 8:16 pm
ts account wrote: ↑Fri Apr 03, 2020 11:32 pm
So, I still do not like Long Con's behavior last EOD. I also do not like the leetic wagon very much; however... I believe speedchuck is likely to be mafia just due to the tendency for a single mafia to stay off lead wagons. Epignosis or Turnip Head could both be mafia as well for this reason, but I have liked Epignosis' play much less.
This post is a fun chug of wine if the team is TH/Mikey/Epi/speedchuck.
Now I understand why this is in your mind, haha. No, it looks like I really just spat out three scum names to me, when I meant to find one.
Okay
ts account wrote: ↑Tue Apr 07, 2020 9:03 pm
As for a case on TSP: I do not have one, but I believe me, sloonei, and funnygurl are lock town, with long con close behind. I would shotgun Epi and speedchuck here, as epignosis is outed and speedchuck does not look good with turnip head scum flip, then re-evaluate on interactions afterwards.
Speedchuck is public enemy #2 today behind Epi. Cool.
More of the same.
ts account wrote: ↑Tue Apr 07, 2020 10:15 pm
TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Tue Apr 07, 2020 10:00 pm
I maintain that speedchuck is the right lynch today, if our interlopers are to be trusted.
I seriously need some character claims from some people. @speedchuck @Epignosis Here’s the defense: it’s role madness and I know nothing about Assassin’s Creed so you’re not losing much.
This is the wolf case.
Funnygurl can back me up on this. We're in the middle of a mechanical dichotomy, and someone wants us to lynch outside the mechanical dichotomy. Somehow, that makes you a wolf.
Tony is suspicious for pushing speedchuck over Epi. speed is incidental here, the focus is on Tony.
ts account wrote: ↑Tue Apr 07, 2020 11:38 pm
Funnygurl555 wrote: ↑Tue Apr 07, 2020 11:33 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue Apr 07, 2020 11:22 pm
Master Radishes [4]: Funnygurl, Epi, Long Con,
Turnip Head
Turnip Head [4]:
MacDougall, Master Radishes, Sloonei, speedchuck
speedchuck [3]:
tedxtr, ts account, TonyStarkPrime
speed's town now right? he was that last vote for turnip 8 min before eod
If we take wagonomics to gospel, then the final three wolves need to be in funnygurl/epi/long con/tsp from my pov.
I do not consider you and epignosis to be compatible partners. I believe you over epignosis currently, which leads me to epignosis/long con/tonystarkprime. Is that a viable wolf team? I do not know, and if you throw turnip head into the mix it becomes even more confusing.
This is still discussion of the future. A majority of our discussion should be focused on who to lynch between Funnygurl and Epignosis
and why it is epignosis
Funnygurl asks a question about speedchuck being "confirmed town" based on votes, and ts account gives an answer that doesn't mention speedchuck. He's done enough to push against speed that this isn't a major concern. There's no direct endorsement of the theory he's proposing here, so it's whatever.
ts account wrote: ↑Wed Apr 08, 2020 12:37 pm
I finished editing the image, but all it really is is a full row of red by my name, and some weird interactions between TSP/Long Con/Speedchuck.
Implies that speedchuck has "weird interactions" with tony and long con. Does not elaborate.
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speedchuck and ts account
speedchuck wrote: ↑Tue Mar 31, 2020 10:57 am
Dragomir wrote: ↑Tue Mar 31, 2020 10:55 am
I don't see ts as civ anymore.
What changed?
Generic question about mikey
speedchuck wrote: ↑Tue Mar 31, 2020 11:55 am
Dragomir wrote: ↑Tue Mar 31, 2020 11:43 am
speedchuck wrote: ↑Tue Mar 31, 2020 10:57 am
Dragomir wrote: ↑Tue Mar 31, 2020 10:55 am
I don't see ts as civ anymore.
What changed?
I see nothing but bullshit coming from his side during our interaction. He is wolf. What do you think about LC?
His third post and initial vote for Sloonei are pretty bad. I agree with that.
Not much else to look at.
Speed wastes no time pouncing once the door is opened. Cool.
speedchuck wrote: ↑Wed Apr 01, 2020 11:30 am
tedxtr wrote: ↑Wed Apr 01, 2020 9:51 am
Epignosis wrote: ↑Wed Apr 01, 2020 12:19 am
ts account wrote: ↑Wed Apr 01, 2020 12:16 am
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Mon Mar 30, 2020 5:19 pm
All Role PMs have been sent! It is now D1, which will end at a majority vote or by
April 2, 7pm EDT.
For somebody opposed to mechanics discussions, you're quick to point out mechanics to people like me.
This is a horrible post for Epi.
You're the second person to say this and I don't know whether either of you are serious.
I believe ts was the first of two people speed alludes to here. Goofy post. Probably not teammates.
speedchuck wrote: ↑Wed Apr 01, 2020 8:46 pm
ts account wrote: ↑Wed Apr 01, 2020 7:20 pm
Dragomir wrote: ↑Wed Apr 01, 2020 7:18 pm
I need an explanation as to how I called out two townies and a scum bud. There has yet to be a single one and it's infuriating.
Would you like me to pull out the big imaginary book of mafia again?
A post that exists.
speedchuck wrote: ↑Wed Apr 01, 2020 9:52 pm
Dragomir wrote: ↑Wed Apr 01, 2020 9:49 pm
speedchuck wrote: ↑Wed Apr 01, 2020 9:47 pm
leetic wrote: ↑Wed Apr 01, 2020 9:46 pm
I am about halfway through my post, but so much has changed in the last two pages that it's now all outdated lol
That's why you gotta just spew
Hey speed, do you have any reads? Ever since you came back online you made several posts lacking substance.
Mac, Ted, ts account town. TH scum. LC back around null. Those are the ones I've been gnawing on.
I want to believe funnygurl is town because she seems like she's having fun, but I don't know enough about her.
ts account is now town. Don't know why.
speedchuck wrote: ↑Mon Apr 06, 2020 12:26 pm
Here's a fun one: A readlist based only on people's current votes:
Good votes - MacDougall, Sloonei, Funnygurl, ts account, Epignosis
Not Good Votes - Turnip Head, Master Radishes, Long Con, TSP, Ted
mikey's part of the "good vote" crew. Noted
speedchuck wrote: ↑Tue Apr 07, 2020 9:23 pm
ts account wrote: ↑Tue Apr 07, 2020 9:20 pm
Oh, judging by vote count, if Epignosis is town, then Long Con and Sloonei both need to be mafia, otherwise mafia would just hammer and win. So Epignosis is definitely outed wolf.
This argument is hilarious but I kinda agree with it.
Goofy, lame post. I could see a universe where these two posts both belong to mafia members, but it's easier to see a universe where that's not the case.
Conclusion
ts account -> speed has some good evidence suggesting no partnership. Mikey went after speed in a pretty meaningful way and cast actual votes against him that didn't look false in any way. speedchuck has had next to nothing to say about ts account, going from one early "looks pretty bad" to a town read on Day 1, and then radio silence (despite receiving pressure from him). The way speed seems to have ignored that pressure is the only significant cause for concern I can pull out of this, but it does not need to be read as bad, especially in light of speed's overall level of activity here.
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