The Syndicate

Well played, poisondudes. Was pretty fun aggravating to watch the town tear itself apart from deadchat. You tried :P (Seriously though, really impressive effort level from everyone)

Assuming you're not still gonna refuse to do anything I say to do just because

Yeah. Makes sense.

i just skimmed jack's iso and half of it is on the boring johann wrongtown topic and the other half is pure fluff. Yeah shoot the man.

I don't really remember anything from Jack and that is probably a bad sign so I'm cool with it

MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed May 13, 2020 7:16 pm

nutella wrote: ↑Wed May 13, 2020 7:14 pm Effen theorem is a concept mu people toss around (I believe named after a player from a few years ago) that basically states that town are more likely to care at EOD and be influential during the crazy vote-changing times // scum are more likely to let EOD happen without their influence. It's a sweeping generalization and yeah also RL reasons for not being around often contribute as well

MU needs to stop coining vernacular

Jay would agree with you, idk I like it because I get to feel like one of the cool kids and because sometimes certain concepts are just nice to have a name for (but it is silly to use them when a lot of people don't know the terms, I concede that lol)

But again idk how much that applies in this setup since deciding who to give a gun is a lot different from lynching. Particularly in that nobody is afraid of being (or their scummates being) the lynch, because nobody will die until night.

Effen theorem is a concept mu people toss around (I believe named after a player from a few years ago) that basically states that town are more likely to care at EOD and be influential during the crazy vote-changing times // scum are more likely to let EOD happen without their influence. It's a sweeping generalization and yeah also RL reasons for not being around often contribute as well

nutella wrote: ↑Wed May 13, 2020 7:10 pm Maybe not idk this unusual game format makes everything weird

also (im gonna be a cool kid and use lingo), ~*effen theorem*~ i guess

MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed May 13, 2020 7:04 pm Maybe not the most likely to flip wolf but he's the most likely to flip wolf in a way that destroys the scum team if he is one.

hmm this is... a take I guess, but not entirely sure if it's a good take since he doesn't really have much in the way of interactions that I can remember anyway

Maybe not idk this unusual game format makes everything weird

I think if Jack were scum he would have been here for EOD lol

Funnygurl555 wrote: ↑Wed May 13, 2020 12:31 am

Funnygurl555 wrote: ↑Wed May 13, 2020 12:29 am i slept and woke up and slept and woke up again. i trust that mac'll do the right thing. down to give it to dusk next

nutella, g-man, hyena, maybe wilgy are my poe anyways

there could be a deeper wolf in jack or sloonei but that's not a d1/n1 thing

this list looks stupid glad i don't gotta gun LOL

That sure is a low-hanging fruit salad

MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue May 12, 2020 10:40 pm Alright I'm done. Thanks for playing minds made up now. See you tomorrow.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue May 12, 2020 10:18 pm You are both being very mean, hypocritical, and unhelpful and should retreat to your bathrooms and dwell on your behaviour.

Meanwhile Duskfall over here doing the lord's work.

I am in fact about to leave the thread and as I've said, leave you to do your own goddamn homework. I do think that Dusk is making great points about Drago however and would endorse that execution.

You chose this burden.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue May 12, 2020 10:14 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue May 12, 2020 10:13 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue May 12, 2020 10:10 pm Interesting. Rather than trying to help me find the right shot you're just going to scum read me. How pointless.

I told you who I think you should shoot and you immediately uh... shot me down.

Be Mac.
Have a town read on Funnygurl.
Have a scum read on Nutella.
Ask for some ideas on who to shoot.
Nutella and Sloonei suggest funnygurl with no explanation or case.
... accept it?

This string is broken somewhere.

Dude.
Read.
The.
Goddamn.
Thread.


The case on funnygurl is there. I'm not doing your homework for you.

boo wrote: ↑Tue May 12, 2020 10:12 pm

nutella wrote: ↑Tue May 12, 2020 10:11 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue May 12, 2020 10:10 pm Interesting. Rather than trying to help me find the right shot you're just going to scum read me. How pointless.

I tried to help. I suggested funny. You refused. Maybe try bussing your other teammate then.

When's the AtE going to start?

You keep expecting me to behave the same as I would in a normal game. This is very different. If I'm on the table to be shot, I will protest, of course, but it's not gonna look the same as being mislynched because Mac's ultimate choice is still private. Sure there will be deliberation in thread and if I'm a leading candidate I will defend myself. But I'd like to see what he comes up with first after we give him some space to actually do some research.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue May 12, 2020 10:11 pm

nutella wrote: ↑Tue May 12, 2020 10:11 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue May 12, 2020 10:10 pm Interesting. Rather than trying to help me find the right shot you're just going to scum read me. How pointless.

I tried to help. I suggested funny. You refused. Maybe try bussing your other teammate then.

So the extent to the help you wish to offer is to throw out one name and that's it.

Cool.

Dude it's been like ten minutes. Plus I've read the game and you haven't, so I'm gonna give you some time. You chose this burden.

Duskfall wrote: ↑Tue May 12, 2020 10:10 pm Btw reversing my drago read good chance he's scum

Yeah I'm cool with this. Shoot Drago, Mac?

MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue May 12, 2020 10:10 pm Interesting. Rather than trying to help me find the right shot you're just going to scum read me. How pointless.

I tried to help. I suggested funny. You refused. Maybe try bussing your other teammate then.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue May 12, 2020 10:08 pm

nutella wrote: ↑Tue May 12, 2020 10:07 pm When Mac can't take a joke he ain't town.

Yall fucked up.

Nutella.

I have the gun.

It's too late to scum read me.

I have the gun.

I'm going to shoot a wolf with it.

Hush child.

It's not too late to scum read you. Just too late to do anything about it. Until D2.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue May 12, 2020 10:08 pm

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Sun May 10, 2020 3:05 am Hi everyone my name is nanook and I’m here to shoot some people

Give me gun plz bb

Why didn't we give this guy the gun?

Because you came in here and powerwolfed your way to victory?

Duskfall wrote: ↑Tue May 12, 2020 10:07 pm

nutella wrote: ↑Tue May 12, 2020 10:06 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue May 12, 2020 10:05 pm It's false logic so it triggers me.

WTF did Boo and Dragomir do to you in scum chat?? Where is Mac?

You gave this man a gun 7 minutes ago and now you are saying he's scum?

I didn't vote for him.

When Mac can't take a joke he ain't town.

Yall fucked up.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue May 12, 2020 10:06 pm

nutella wrote: ↑Tue May 12, 2020 10:06 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue May 12, 2020 10:05 pm It's false logic so it triggers me.

WTF did Boo and Dragomir do to you in scum chat?? Where is Mac?

What a strange and reachy horrible scummy post this is lol.

It's a goddamn joke sit your ass down.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue May 12, 2020 10:05 pm It's false logic so it triggers me.

WTF did Boo and Dragomir do to you in scum chat?? Where is Mac?

Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue May 12, 2020 10:04 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue May 12, 2020 10:04 pm Aright well we have an open night phase so like, rather than play games about who gets the gun can y'all scum hunt and shit and give me ideas for who I should ass blast?

funnygurl, for real.

Agree

Mac just read the whole game now that you have time and I'm sure you'll get it right unless you're really just powerwolfing here which I have not ruled out

MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue May 12, 2020 10:02 pm

nutella wrote: ↑Tue May 12, 2020 10:00 pm Mac you read me wrong in the other direction last night. Quit with the 100% bullshit or I might think you're scum.

You should know better than to plea with me by pointing out that I am dumb. I have too fragile an ego for that. If you want to pocket me you have to be super nice and complimentary.

So the thought of being proven dumb doesnt sway you at all? This makes little sense

Mac you read me wrong in the other direction last night. Quit with the 100% bullshit or I might think you're scum.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue May 12, 2020 9:58 pm

nutella wrote: ↑Tue May 12, 2020 9:57 pm

Duskfall wrote: ↑Tue May 12, 2020 9:56 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue May 12, 2020 9:53 pm

Duskfall wrote: ↑Tue May 12, 2020 9:52 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue May 12, 2020 9:51 pm I'm bored with all of this now. Don't shoot me if you get the gun I'm obviously town. After all this bs the only person I actually trust anymore is boo. Gg boo.

Does anyone want to shoot you?

I'm just making sure ok. Why are you so obsessed with me. Who do you even think is scum? Nutella is a wolf because she said you had good gut reads but you're scum reading her and have hardly made any reads. This whole thing is asinine. Why isn't Sloonei powertowning? I surrender shoot me.

Gonna be a no from me

I've mostly been poeing top town rn is Jack Johann drago

Never shooting you/Nanook/funny everyone else will be on the table unless I'm forgetting someone who I probably am

Wait no funny should be on your shortlist to shoot

Shit maybe dusk is the wrong choice

THIS IS A CODE RED. THIS IS A CODE RED. NUTELLA IS 100% ALWAYS A WOLF.

i swear to god if you shoot me imma be so mad.

just please keep your promise about reading the game and evaluating the options fairly. don't fuck this up

Duskfall wrote: ↑Tue May 12, 2020 9:56 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue May 12, 2020 9:53 pm

Duskfall wrote: ↑Tue May 12, 2020 9:52 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue May 12, 2020 9:51 pm I'm bored with all of this now. Don't shoot me if you get the gun I'm obviously town. After all this bs the only person I actually trust anymore is boo. Gg boo.

Does anyone want to shoot you?

I'm just making sure ok. Why are you so obsessed with me. Who do you even think is scum? Nutella is a wolf because she said you had good gut reads but you're scum reading her and have hardly made any reads. This whole thing is asinine. Why isn't Sloonei powertowning? I surrender shoot me.

Gonna be a no from me

I've mostly been poeing top town rn is Jack Johann drago

Never shooting you/Nanook/funny everyone else will be on the table unless I'm forgetting someone who I probably am

Wait no funny should be on your shortlist to shoot

Shit maybe dusk is the wrong choice

MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue May 12, 2020 9:56 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue May 12, 2020 9:55 pm

nutella wrote: ↑Tue May 12, 2020 9:55 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue May 12, 2020 9:53 pm

Duskfall wrote: ↑Tue May 12, 2020 9:52 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue May 12, 2020 9:51 pm I'm bored with all of this now. Don't shoot me if you get the gun I'm obviously town. After all this bs the only person I actually trust anymore is boo. Gg boo.

Does anyone want to shoot you?

I'm just making sure ok. Why are you so obsessed with me. Who do you even think is scum? Nutella is a wolf because she said you had good gut reads but you're scum reading her and have hardly made any reads. This whole thing is asinine. Why isn't Sloonei powertowning? I surrender shoot me.

Dusk has implied reads and I meant gut in more than just straight up town and scum reads, I meant in how he is reacting to posts in the moment. His takes in general. He has good intuitions, I can tell. If he's wrong about me that's an exception but I'm not too worried about getting shot atm.

I no longer trust you therefore I will not be reading the words you right. They are just blurry pixels above what I am typing lalalala.

Damn it I couldn't help myself and read it. It's bs. Nutella is a wolf.

Take off your goddamn goggles. I meant what I said.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue May 12, 2020 9:53 pm

Duskfall wrote: ↑Tue May 12, 2020 9:52 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue May 12, 2020 9:51 pm I'm bored with all of this now. Don't shoot me if you get the gun I'm obviously town. After all this bs the only person I actually trust anymore is boo. Gg boo.

Does anyone want to shoot you?

I'm just making sure ok. Why are you so obsessed with me. Who do you even think is scum? Nutella is a wolf because she said you had good gut reads but you're scum reading her and have hardly made any reads. This whole thing is asinine. Why isn't Sloonei powertowning? I surrender shoot me.

Dusk has implied reads and I meant gut in more than just straight up town and scum reads, I meant in how he is reacting to posts in the moment. His takes in general. He has good intuitions, I can tell. If he's wrong about me that's an exception but I'm not too worried about getting shot atm.

Dragomir wrote: ↑Tue May 12, 2020 9:46 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue May 12, 2020 9:43 pm

Dragomir wrote: ↑Tue May 12, 2020 9:42 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue May 12, 2020 9:40 pm

Dragomir wrote: ↑Tue May 12, 2020 9:36 pm

nutella wrote: ↑Tue May 12, 2020 9:25 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue May 12, 2020 8:58 pm Sloonei coordinating to give Wilgy the gun is basically outing.

No that's reactiontesting prob. He doesn't seriously want to give the gun to someone who might not even be here at all. You and I both know Sloonei better than that. And a wolf wouldn't do something that obviously ridiculous.

Don't even try to use that logic.

Nah. I think you should try to use it.

No Sloo. You of all ppl shouldn't use it after what happened in the AC game with Long Con voting for himself.

I don't even see how that's relevant

You town read LC for doing something that you didn't think a mafia would ever do, that being voting for himself to tie the wagons. But LC flipped scum. So because of that experience, you shouldn't ever use the logic of "scum won't ever do something so ridiculous" again.

This ain't relevant. They're different people. Forget the general statement. Play this game.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue May 12, 2020 9:43 pm

nutella wrote: ↑Tue May 12, 2020 9:41 pm I don't even care about Mac's "superior reads" argument anymore. Dusk clearly has the most powerful gut here.

What the heck do you base that on? Doesn't Duskfall scum read you? I don't even know what his reads are let alone whether they are right enough to be called powerful. You've played a hundred games with me. This opinion is proper whack.

Also ... town Nutella abandoning giving me the gun! After all we've been through.

And simultaneously Sloonei wants me to have it again.

Oh ho ho ho.

Merry fucking May 13th or whatever.

Idk if he scumreads me, I guess that's a fair point if he does. But he's made a lot of good snap-intuition judgments in general.

TIL Mac can't read Sloonei for shit.

That's my domain.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue May 12, 2020 9:41 pm

nutella wrote: ↑Tue May 12, 2020 9:38 pm

Dragomir wrote: ↑Tue May 12, 2020 9:36 pm

nutella wrote: ↑Tue May 12, 2020 9:25 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue May 12, 2020 8:58 pm Sloonei coordinating to give Wilgy the gun is basically outing.

No that's reactiontesting prob. He doesn't seriously want to give the gun to someone who might not even be here at all. You and I both know Sloonei better than that. And a wolf wouldn't do something that obviously ridiculous.

Don't even try to use that logic.

As a general statement sure whatever wifom all day. But that is never scum sloonei.

Do you realise how much it triggers people when you make posts like this? Like part of the objective is to convince people to trust you then you go and make reads like this?

Anyway I abjectly disagree. I've played with scum Sloonei a few times and he absolutely posts more chaos as wolf than town. So your read is poo butt.

No. You need to reread GOC. Scum sloonei is a toned-down, bland, spiceless imitation of his town meta. Here we have paprika in full force.

I don't even care about Mac's "superior reads" argument anymore. Dusk clearly has the most powerful gut here.

How is [mention]Jackofhearts2005[/mention] missing this

Dragomir wrote: ↑Tue May 12, 2020 9:36 pm

nutella wrote: ↑Tue May 12, 2020 9:25 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue May 12, 2020 8:58 pm Sloonei coordinating to give Wilgy the gun is basically outing.

No that's reactiontesting prob. He doesn't seriously want to give the gun to someone who might not even be here at all. You and I both know Sloonei better than that. And a wolf wouldn't do something that obviously ridiculous.

Don't even try to use that logic.

As a general statement sure whatever wifom all day. But that is never scum sloonei.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue May 12, 2020 9:27 pm

nutella wrote: ↑Tue May 12, 2020 9:26 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue May 12, 2020 8:59 pm Sloonei I am gonna fucking shoot you in your ass and face. Then ass.

[VOTE: duskfall] aubergine

So it's ok for Sloonei to do a little pod proke reaction test but not me?

Double standards much.

you have given nontrolly indications that you actually suspect sloonei. I cannot trust you not to shoot him. Convince me you won't and I'll consider going back.

Dragomir wrote: ↑Tue May 12, 2020 9:09 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue May 12, 2020 9:08 pm

Dragomir wrote: ↑Tue May 12, 2020 9:08 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue May 12, 2020 9:06 pm Imagine taking a vote for Wilgy seriously.

Don't even try to start this with me now.

Why not?

Because I'm correct regardless of your vote on Wilgy being a joke. It was useless.

you are missing so many points

there is so much flying over your head you could be in a trench in wwi

boo wrote: ↑Tue May 12, 2020 9:00 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue May 12, 2020 8:59 pm

boo wrote: ↑Tue May 12, 2020 8:58 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue May 12, 2020 8:56 pm

boo wrote: ↑Tue May 12, 2020 8:55 pm

Dragomir wrote: ↑Tue May 12, 2020 8:55 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue May 12, 2020 8:53 pm [VOTE: drwilgy] aubergine

The steady hand of a doctor is the only on we can trust with a shot like this.

This is the spiciest vote in the entire game. I don't know what to make of it.

That Sloonei is dedicated to his vote not being a relevant factor, apparently?

F-

You just voted for someone currently on track to end the day with being replaced.

Whoa, crazy, are we at the deadline right now?

Do you know something about Wilgy showing up in the next hour you'd like to share with the class?

test failed

think past level one of something for once in your life

Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue May 12, 2020 8:59 pm [VOTE: macdougall] aubergine

huh

MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue May 12, 2020 8:59 pm Sloonei I am gonna fucking shoot you in your ass and face. Then ass.

[VOTE: duskfall] aubergine

Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue May 12, 2020 8:59 pm

boo wrote: ↑Tue May 12, 2020 8:58 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue May 12, 2020 8:56 pm

boo wrote: ↑Tue May 12, 2020 8:55 pm

Dragomir wrote: ↑Tue May 12, 2020 8:55 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue May 12, 2020 8:53 pm [VOTE: drwilgy] aubergine

The steady hand of a doctor is the only on we can trust with a shot like this.

This is the spiciest vote in the entire game. I don't know what to make of it.

That Sloonei is dedicated to his vote not being a relevant factor, apparently?

F-

You just voted for someone currently on track to end the day with being replaced.

Whoa, crazy, are we at the deadline right now?

See.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue May 12, 2020 8:58 pm Sloonei coordinating to give Wilgy the gun is basically outing.

No that's reactiontesting prob. He doesn't seriously want to give the gun to someone who might not even be here at all. You and I both know Sloonei better than that. And a wolf wouldn't do something that obviously ridiculous.

Duskfall wrote: ↑Tue May 12, 2020 8:53 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue May 12, 2020 8:50 pm

Duskfall wrote: ↑Tue May 12, 2020 8:48 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue May 12, 2020 8:46 pm

Duskfall wrote: ↑Tue May 12, 2020 8:46 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue May 12, 2020 8:44 pm

Duskfall wrote: ↑Tue May 12, 2020 8:41 pm I'm actually tilted bird are moving into mac because

"I had to consider long and hard to realise I've played here more"

Really that's the argument we are going with, you could give it literally any player then vote shifts seem to be looking for the excuse of someone else asking for it, why give to mac now but not Nanook earlier

It's not the reason I should have it over everyone. Just you and Hyena.

That aside I have a good early game radar.

It's no offence towards you. Putting the gun in your hands just seems like a bad idea.

And to be honest I don't really trust nutella and Sloonei enough to support them having it.

My problem isn't with you wanting the gun of course you want it, the problem is with the people just giving it to you and wanting you to have it, if anything it makes me believe I've more chance of being correct since there's no a shift off wanting me to have it

What can I say? People love me.

Or you are mafia and people want to give you the gun or k was pushing people correctly and they want an excuse for me to not have it

Do you have a scum read on the three players voting for me?

I don't even know what your reads were. I'm not bothering to read the game in full until night tbh. Live reading here is a waste of time.

I wasn't but Nutella is trending downwards already and her switch was definitely the worst considering she got on looking for anyone to switch to off me, then you said vote me so she voted you

She was happy voting me all day but suddenly she's looking for an excuse to get off me without even saying why

I'd still be ok with you but Mac's point about having better meta/early reads on most players here made a lot of sense and I think he's a safer pick for that reason