The Syndicate

^^

Also, making that crazy long theory about Dom, JC, and Llama is probably my favorite all time post ever. Honestly surprised I wasn't lynched for that.

Oh, and awesome job Lasers. Gotta hand it to BDH and borok, the new guys did very well.

I absolutely loved this game. Great one, Daisy, can't wait for your next.

One thing, uh...

AP, there was a day when I went all crazy against you, and then afterwards, I felt like a d*ck, and told Daisy I would apologize after the game. Here is my apology. I didn't even know if you were good or bad, but I believe people were speaking Bea and Timmer's name that day, and I was like "NO WAY GOTTA GO AFTER SOMEONE" hahaha.

Good times, also, I will be wearing the cwapface banner.

I love you too, MP. Not as much as Daisy does, though.

You must be losin' it, AP.

Anyway, I can no longer play guys, something's come up.

I had fun, Daisy, thanks for letting me play.

For the record, if the Girlies kill me tonight, I wouldn't know who to blame.

Kind of wishing I didn't announce in the thread that I had a one time night protect only. Lasers, Girlies, and Troggy, I was lying! I am protected always! Don't do it! NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!

Btw, BDH, you're funny when drinking. I suggest you do it more often.

Why does Llama want to kill Daisy's sister? Does Llama think MP is civvie now?

FYI Goose, I reread my above post, and it didn't come across as I thought it would, which was jokey. No need to explain.

Mongoose wrote:

Matt F wrote:

RIP Lizzy, it is apparent to me I should just stop talking in this game. Thus far, my only real contribution in this game has been Day 1, when I got lucky voting Elo.

I've tried real hard to be helpful, but that isn't happening.

Just a note, btw, before I said I had a role pegged for Devin. I thought he was King of Town. I can't know for sure, but since King of Town eats an object each night, I figured that meant he got a different power each night. Devin said he rezzed Bullz, and at one point, cleared Snowdog of any wrongdoing, saying he was civvie. Because of this, I figured Devin got a rez power and Devin got a rolecheck power on different nights as King of Town.

But, now I see I was wrong on that too.

linki Llama - He is wrong about me too but just doesn't know it yet.
Derp.

This is Goose's quote of mine earlier. I did not have that line in bold in my OP.

I can see that maybe it was supposed to be part of your post, but why is it in between my line about being wrong and me saying derp?

Gaah! Crazy...theories...building...in...head...must...STOP!

Gaah!

Nooooo, my big work weekend is about to start.

Borok - How do I want Llama dead? I feel like posting the Chewbacca Defense again. I will probably vote for you or DP next day period.

A Person - Not that Lizzy being civvie clears you, but...I kinda feel like an idiot going after you like that yesterday. Sorry dude!

da Goose - Fuel in Finland what? Is that a code? Should I be examining this post for clues?

Good luck tonight peeps, don't forget to send in your Troggy PMs! (omg maybe I'm Trogdor!)

Bullzeye wrote:

Matt F wrote:Alright Mongoose, well, my head hurts. I'm gonna go watch some more Supernatural, and hope Vomps doesn't find my address, come to my house, and murder me.

Well if you're watching Supernatural there's probably an equal chance that it'll be the vengeful spirit of Lizzy who comes for you!

Just watched Route 666 last night. Killer truck. Worst episode ever. I certainly hope the truck doesn't become a main player in later seasons.

Alright Mongoose, well, my head hurts. I'm gonna go watch some more Supernatural, and hope Vomps doesn't find my address, come to my house, and murder me.

OTOH, Lizzy thought Llama was a baddie, too.

Gaaah! Gaaah!

This game is f*cked up.

Question to everyone besides MP and Llama...

Do you think these two would go after each other, the way that they did, so early and so often in the game? I mean, isn't that risky?

I know some of you may say "well maybe they're on opposite baddie teams"...nuh uh. If they are bad, they are bad together, and even if it's not true, both Llama and MP know exactly what I mean by this.

Okay, I really need to stop.

Mongoose wrote:

Matt F wrote:

RIP Lizzy, it is apparent to me I should just stop talking in this game. Thus far, my only real contribution in this game has been Day 1, when I got lucky voting Elo.

I've tried real hard to be helpful, but that isn't happening.

Just a note, btw, before I said I had a role pegged for Devin. I thought he was King of Town. I can't know for sure, but since King of Town eats an object each night, I figured that meant he got a different power each night. Devin said he rezzed Bullz, and at one point, cleared Snowdog of any wrongdoing, saying he was civvie. Because of this, I figured Devin got a rez power and Devin got a rolecheck power on different nights as King of Town.

But, now I see I was wrong on that too.

linki Llama - He is wrong about me too but just doesn't know it yet.
Derp.

Let's chat about this together -- I think you are right that Lizzy could have had a rez power one night. However, I am not sure poor Dev is exonerated yet. We know he isn't a Blue Laser (since he was killed by them), but it doesn't mean he wasn't a Teen Girl.

And Dev could have been falsely insinuating his roles to prove his civvyness. I think you are probably on the right track with a lot of this, but we should be careful about assuming too much or taking statements as facts when they may not be.

I'm curious as to what role MP had Devin pegged for. And Llama, didn't you believe Devin was civvie?

Goose, is it possible Lizzy also had a rolecheck and checked DP?

DERP I'M GONNA STOP RIGHT THERE

I'm like a dog with a bone, with the tunnel vision, and I just said I was going to stop with theories. I dunno.

thellama73 wrote:Do you think you might be wrong about me as well?

The ONLY way I'm wrong about you...

Is if you and MP are baddie partners. That is the only way. Unless you are supersmart and cracked the code that day all by yourself.

But no, I still believe you are civvie, Llama. I can't see you "cracking the code" by coincidence, either, and I just don't see you and MP going after each other so hard in the thread the way you guys were.

So yeah, I suppose the only thing in this game I am certain of is you being civ.

RIP Lizzy, it is apparent to me I should just stop talking in this game. Thus far, my only real contribution in this game has been Day 1, when I got lucky voting Elo.

I've tried real hard to be helpful, but that isn't happening.

Just a note, btw, before I said I had a role pegged for Devin. I thought he was King of Town. I can't know for sure, but since King of Town eats an object each night, I figured that meant he got a different power each night. Devin said he rezzed Bullz, and at one point, cleared Snowdog of any wrongdoing, saying he was civvie. Because of this, I figured Devin got a rez power and Devin got a rolecheck power on different nights as King of Town.

But, now I see I was wrong on that too.

Derp.

MP, I've played with Dom quite a few times, and though I'm not positive, I think he's civvie (of course, I hope Dom doesn't turn around on me and say "Whut?!" since he questioned Bullz after Bullz said the same thing, but there it is).

Is there a reason other then him suspecting you, that you think he's mafia?

Just seems weird that you think Dom and Timmer are baddie partners, just cuz they both suspect you? Is there more to it then that, am I missing something?

Anyways, I'm tired, gotsta go to bed. Just a note, peeps, tomorrow's Friday, and as always, I work all weekend from Friday night to Sunday afternoon, so feel free to kill me sometime around then, A Person's team!

Linki - Snowdog, after our Smile War earlier, I am now thinking you are telling the truth...about not being a liar.

Wow Timmer,

I can already imagine steam coming from MP's ears when reading this, whether you're right or not.

Still think my theory on A Person and Lizzy holds up, but I feel you've put me to shame.

birdwithteeth11 wrote:Linki: Is there a reason you do not believe Lizzy is Trogdor anymore, Matt? Or did you already explain why and I just missed it?

I believe she and A Person are on a baddie team together.

Linki - Okey dokey A Person. I already made my vote.

Anywho, gotta get ready for work. Peace!

I think both DP and Timmer are good ideas for Trogdor.

FYI, I do not believe Lizzy is Trogdor, not anymore and despite that being the reason I voted for her.

AP in dead red

Generally, I like to keep quiet, I tried the helpful civ thing this time though. Usually for me a self vote means I'm throwing my vote away, but I can't prove that so I guess it's pointless to defend it.

How is it helpful to avoid all lynches thus far, and not have any opinions on anyone...except for Lizzy, of course.

I didn't say anything because I didn't think there was anything to say. I also didn't vote for her but that doesn't prove I'm good either. I generally don't acknowledge people dying in the game but I tried to that time.

So, you say you never doubted Hedge's civvieness, but you couldn't be bothered with saying so in the thread? As you put it, there was nothing for you to say.

I guess that would make sense, but as I said before, I self/random vote when I don't want my vote to count towards anything.

So you guess it makes sense, avoiding the Elo vote? It almost seems like you've given up here.

No particular reason, really, other than seeing people misinterpret something I know is wrong, but that proves nothing either way.

What are people misinterpreting? Feel free to elaborate, though I admit right now I have the tunnel vision, surely others might believe you if you elaborate.

I don't have any reason to other than the fact that I think she's not bad, if she is she's doing a good job.

No reason? Just "Lizzy aint bad". K

I don't personally think he's bad, but I do think it's one of the better ideas in the game.



This is contradictory. You don't think Llama is bad, but you think Lizzy's idea to lynch Llama is one of the better ideas of the game.

?

Linki

Mongoose and MP

Thoughts on A Person's refusal to comment on my quoted post?

Gotta get ready for work soon, will still be around for about 30.

Mongoose wrote:Linki Matt F - I think the chances of Other Matt and Lizzy being on a team would be as likely as Lizzy and Vomp being on a team. Statistically, I mean. Well obviously that would be true mathwise. Mathhurt. Why you guys want my opinion escapes me. Hippopotamus

How so? What's the difference, statistically, between Other Matt and Lizzy being on a team and say, you and I being on a team?

Linki - Hahaha A Person. When your team kills me, be sure to make it quick and painless, k?

Linki holy moley!!!

A Person wrote:

Matt F wrote:So no response to my post with quotes? Okey dokey.

I will but it's really long and would take a long time to respond to.

Not really. I asked a few questions, all you gotta do is give a few answers. But I get it. Take some time with your team, formulate a plan, and get back to me.

Snow Dog wrote:Who didn't send in their hut PM last night?

I didn't.

If I were targetted, surely Daisy would've said "Trogdor tried to kill Matt, but Matt's such a cool and sophisticated guy, it was a no go".

Anyway, I no longer believe Lizzy is Trogdor. DP could very well possibly be, since he wasn't around either when Trogdor didn't kill.

I believe Lizzy is on a team with A Person.

A Person wrote:

Matt F wrote:

A Person wrote:I think she's good and feel her posts are being misunderstood/twisted to mean something else. Also she's my friend.

Yes, but why do you think she's good? And don't forget to reply to my big post quoting you, I think BWT, among others, are awaiting your response before the lynch today.

Jeez louise linki

Because I don't think she's bad. I've forgot but that's a lot of typing and I'm slightly burnt out now.

So no response to my post with quotes? Okey dokey.

A Person wrote:I think she's good and feel her posts are being misunderstood/twisted to mean something else. Also she's my friend.

Yes, but why do you think she's good? And don't forget to reply to my big post quoting you, I think BWT, among others, are awaiting your response before the lynch today.

Jeez louise linki

A Person wrote:I think she just means that she is suspicious of him but has nothing concrete like the lynch with Llama to prove/disprove her suspicions.

Actually, I just got this. You mean concrete based on Llama surviving the lynch.

So you agree that it's in the threads best interest to waste a lynch on an unlynchable baddie or a civvie?

Also, if you believe Llama is bad, then that means you must not trust MP or myself, who keeps saying that lynching Llama is a bad idea.

Simple if, then scenario. And if that's the case, I look forward to you voting for Llama, MP, or myself today, instead of doing your neutral.

If nothing else in this game, I am convinced Llama is a civvie. I will, as MP says, eat a hat if I'm wrong.

Linki times 10,000

A Person wrote:I think she just means that she is suspicious of him but has nothing concrete like the lynch with Llama to prove/disprove her suspicions. I could be wrong but I am the resident Lizzy expert and can usually understand what she means.

This post is suspicious too.

Also, I will answer that huge post today at some point.

Yup, it is suspicious, how you keep answering for Lizzy.

Also, what's concrete about her case on Llama? Mere speculation, IMO.

Looking forward to your rebuttal, good sir!

juliets wrote:I think I'm having trouble understand what half a baddie or half a civvie is. Lizzy do you mean you just don't know if MP is civvie or not?

It's utter nonsense to distract from having to give an actual answer to my question.

IMO, of course.

It occurs to me that since A Person keeps voting himself, he could be an unlynchable civvie or unlynchable baddie. It also occurs to me by constantly voting for himself, and voicing no opinions, he can't be tied back with anyone who has been lynched/NK/whatever.

First, I'm going to jump ahead to the other day after Hedge was lynched...

A Person wrote:RIP Hedge, I personally never doubted your civness

Looking through your posts, there is not one post you made saying this before the lynch. Not one. So, if this is true, why didn't you defend Hedge in thread? And if it's not true, then why did you say this after Hedge was lynched?

Day 1, when Elo was in the running to get lynched...

A Person wrote:I decided to vote for myself because many people are tied with 3 votes and i don't want to accidentally pick one randomly and kill them.

I notice there was one person who voted after you, and I believe some missed the vote Day 1, right? Seeing as how there was a chance Elo could get more votes, I see why you wouldn't want to get involved.

A Person wrote:

Vompatti wrote:NOOOOOOOOO DON'T VOTE FOR LIZZY!111

I won't k

A Person wrote:

MovingPictures07 wrote:A Person, what are your thoughts?

As far as current discussion goes, I'm not getting a baddie vibe from Lizzy. I would agree she seems different lately, but she seems slightly different every game. I assume part of it because she has been sick/away lately and hasn't had the time/energy to devote to the game like she has in previous ones, but otherwise I don't feel like her style is any different. I also don't think she'd play the same card twice and be purposely transparent again so soon.

A Person wrote:

Vompatti wrote:

juliets wrote:

Vompatti wrote:Stop this madness at once!

What are you referring to Vomps?

The Lizzy bandwagon k

ture :'(

So, first you tell Vomps you won't vote Lizzy, that was about a week ago.

Then you defend Lizzy to MP. Saying she's different but she's different all the time, then giving a reason why she might be different this game. Well if she's different in every game, why give a reason for her being different this game?

Then agree with Vomps on "bandwagoning" Lizzy.

And now defending her honor to me, as well.

So, you have no opinions this game, A Person, you've said several times, but you must think Lizzy is civvie? What makes you think so? Specifically?

On top of all that, there was your Trogdor idea about a 1000 pages back, which Llama pounced on you for. Now suddenly, you agree with Lizzy that Llama is someone good to look at? I'm glad you finally found your voice this game, A Person!

Snowdog, if you don't mind, I'm going to move my Smiley War over to A Person and Lizzy.

Btw, not to say I think A Person should get lynched this time around. I don't think that would help at all. But Lizzy's a good bet IMO.

Lizzy wrote:

Matt F wrote:But even having a half case on MP is better then lynching DP, right? Cuz lynching the baddie teams is better then lynching Trogdor.

I'm confuzzled.

In my head Llama is a baddie, DP is Trogdor and MP is half a baddie or half a civvie, just like in your head I am Trogdor and other people are other things.

Nah, no worries, I don't think you're Trogdor anymore. And DP could very well be Trogdor.

Right now I'm seeing you on a baddie team with A Person and the late Elo. Doing a reread on A Person now.

I'm beginning to think I voted Lizzy for the wrong reasons, but it would still be a good result.

But even having a half case on MP is better then lynching DP, right? Cuz lynching the baddie teams is better then lynching Trogdor.

I'm confuzzled.

A Person

Do you find it interesting that Lizzy is ready to move on DP straight after Llama, despite her saying she doesn't want to kill Trogdor until the baddie teams have been vanquished, hence why she is voting Llama today?

Lizzy wrote:

Matt F wrote:Here's a question for you, Lizzy...

You believe Llama is Cheerleader? I believe that's what you said in an earlier post.

If Llama is the cheerleader, what good will it do to vote for him? Being the cheerleader would mean Llama is unlynchable. Which I do not believe he is, btw, but you do...

So why not vote for DP?

I wanted to see if he survives another lynching and because of this get killed by the other baddie team. But now that won't happen because I've just said it out loud. After that we could have moved to DP and MP.

So essentially, in this scenario...

a) Waste a lynch on a potential unlynchable baddie

b) Waste a lynch on a civvie

Why would you move to DP so soon? If he is Trogdor, surely you would want to wait until after all the other baddie teams die out, didn't you say you wanted to lynch the baddie teams first?

Here's a question for you, Lizzy...

You believe Llama is Cheerleader? I believe that's what you said in an earlier post.

If Llama is the cheerleader, what good will it do to vote for him? Being the cheerleader would mean Llama is unlynchable. Which I do not believe he is, btw, but you do...

So why not vote for DP?

Unfortunately, I cannot go into details...

But I believe you are on the wrong track there, Lizzy. Don't get me wrong, I understand the case, but...

No.

(yeah, brilliant response, I know, but that's all I can say)

Snow Dog wrote:

Matt F wrote:And why was it a technical error that he was rezzed, Snowdog? You seem to know a lot about everyone in this game.

As Vomps said. It seems daisy killed him by error so gave him a rez. It's all in the hosts posts.

I'm going to refrain from saying anything else until I hear MP's response about Devin.

Vompatti wrote:

Matt F wrote:And why was it a technical error that he was rezzed, Snowdog? You seem to know a lot about everyone in this game.

I think Daisy posted that someone else was supposed to die instead so that's why he was rezzed.

Dang it, Vomps, you're intruding in the Great Smile War '13. I was asking Snowdog.

And why was it a technical error that he was rezzed, Snowdog? You seem to know a lot about everyone in this game.

A Person wrote:Also, I don't see why Lizzy wanting to go after someone who can actually chose who they kill before someone who kills more or less randomly is a bad thing.

I might agree with this, if Lizzy's only other suspect wasn't a civvie.

Snow Dog wrote:ebwop...I could say "Why is Matt F posting false information."

So you disagree with my opinion on Borok?

Matt F wrote:

borokkuei wrote:Man, I am so behind. I wish I had the time to read over all of the pages of posts so I can figure out who I hate. I guess the safest option now is to hate everyone and vote at random, eh?

I see you only have seven posts total at the forum, five in the game. In one of your posts, you agreed with me about looking at new players on day 1, are you new at mafia?

Looking through your posts...you haven't really said anything.

What are your thoughts in the game, so far?

Borok, the question still stands.

Oh, and as for low posters, I think Borok should be looked at soon, as well.

This is like the second or third time the dude has latched onto my opinions and ran with them. I am getting increasingly paranoid that if he is on a team, he was told to agree with whatever I say.

borokkuei wrote:I didn't even catch this when it happened, since I'm consistently busy and haven't been reading this thread thoroughly, but earlier in the game I had the suspicion that vomps and lizzy were on a team together, whether good or bad. I assume bad though, but that's mostly because I know vomps' personality I voted lizzy a while ago, and I'm going to vote for her again k

5 Minutes Later

borokkuei wrote:Now that I reread Matt's post, lizzy being Trogdor sounds more likely than her being on a team with vomps. Still, in my mind I have nobody else targeted.

Because I know everyone loves my made up conversations! .....

Borok: I'm gonna agree with Matt in thread about Lizzy!

BTSC Teammate: Go for it, Borok!

Borok: Cool beans, I did it. Check it out!

BTSC Teammate: Dude...pretty sure Matt is thinking Lizzy is Trogdor, so she wouldn't have any teammates. Better go fix that.

Borok: D'oh!

In addition, before Borok was killed and then subsequently rezzed (btw, has anyone even asked Borok why this happened?), I had a post in which I was asking him about his thoughts on the game, etc, in which he never got back to me. Gawd, I have about a million posts, but I'll try to look for it.

Linki linki linki

MovingPictures07 wrote:Matt F, I've thought more about your theory. The only scenarios in which Trogdor did not send in his PM last night could be:
- His target was randomized within his selected hut to be the Blue Laser that survives all NKs.
- Trogdor was blocked.

...........(snipping MP's post)............

and then you pointed out the fact that she so clearly believed DP to be Trogdor and yet didn't vote for him...

First, before the snip...

In either of these scenarios, I would think that the name of Trogdor's potential victim would be named in the night post, even to say "Trogdor tried to kill so and so, but nope, didn't happen!" As it were, it only says Trogdor didn't kill last night.

After the snip...

Not only did she not vote for him, but now she says...

Lizzy wrote:I would prefer to get rid of the killers who can nominally decide who dies first.

^^ After being asked if she would vote for DP anytime soon.

So, despite her believing DP is Trogdor, she has ZERO interest in voting for him any time in the future.

The rest of ya all, can obviously make up your own minds, but this doesn't sit right with me.

MovingPictures07 wrote:Why are you feeling less certain of me, any reason?

Well, let me ask you...

What are your thoughts on Snowdog? I am pinged out of my mind based on his defense of you, and the only reason I let my susp of him die earlier, is because Devin claimed in the thread that "Yes, Snowdog is Civ " . Considering you believe Devin to be civ, and Llama believed Devin to be civ, and even I, myself, had a certain civ role for him if true...I took Devin at his word about Snowdog.

Then I think about way early in the game. You asking about info, Snowdog and Bullz saying "yup i got info", you saying "you guys must be civvie!".

Then I think about Bullz being rezzed. Apparently by Devin. And why? I dunno, no offense Bullz you're my bro from another mo, but I had no read on you before you died, I don't think anyone did really (did anyone?)...in fact, there was even a conversation about the poem player thinking you were bad...then presto chango Bullz was rezzed.

So here we are, all these names keep coming around together in different combinations...Bullz, Snowdog, Devin, MP.

Let me ask you, were you 100% certain that Devin was civvie? You can say without going into details if you were certain...were you?

Linki - I listened to her defense, Vomps, and didn't buy it personally. Speaking of which, gotta go quote another MP post about Lizzy right now...

Dom wrote:

Matt F wrote:I dunno about MP (sorry MP), but I'm fairly certain Llama is civvie.

Unless, to quote what MP has said himself about this very situation..."I'm being played right now."

But the only way I'm being played is if they're on the same team, and I don't see them going after each other the way they have if they were on the same team.

I think MP is trying to imply that unless Llama is playing a very good baddie game, he's likely civv....

Although, I find this interesting because MP dropped Llama in such a contrived way... as if he had given up because no one was biting anymore.... and then he suggested that we look at quiet players and lizzy and snow dog and vomps (I think? Don't quote me on that). So.. basically anyone who isn't him. Basically, MP wants us all to forget that he ever brought up Llama....

I figured he dropped Llama because I pretty much pointed Llama out to him and said "Civ dude. See it? See it yet? Almost there...there ya go!" I know this doesn't help you, or anyone else for that matter, but just sayin'. Only MP could see what I was seeing, and I'm not trying to be cryptic, just the truth.

However, I would agree that he has named nearly everyone in the thread as a possible suspicion of his, but I've never seen that as a baddie trait. So many times, I have suspected nearly everyone in the thread of being a baddie myself, just cuz I didn't know what the heck was going on, in other games. This game too, as a matter of fact. Didn't I suspect you once this game?

On that note, and no offense MP, YOU'RE MY BOY BLUE, I am feeling more "I dunno" when it comes to MP, compared to a few days ago, when I thought he was most likely civvie.

Linki - Daisy, you went green for me! No more disappearing, honest!

BigDamnHero wrote:Not particularly quiet but not very vocal either, and i believe she said smoething about playing multiple games (which I don't see how ANYONE can do without going insane or suffering a pulmonary emoblism in their brain)...

BDH, typically games are not as crazy as this one, with so many posts only after 4 days. In fact, I'm playing another game with Mata over at HV where there are only about 300 or so posts after 2 days.

Oh, and since you're here, I'm leaning civvie on you right now. I don't understand the twisting of words thing brought up by MP and BWT, maybe I'm stoopid?

On the other hand, you seem to have a real nice handle on the game as a rook, however I am willing to give you the BOTD (see what I did there Daisy? See??) for now.

Spacedaisy wrote:Benefit Of The Doubt.

Thanks Daisy!