The Syndicate

Golden wrote:I'm also kind of proud that when nacho kept pushing me for an lc read, I kept saying I didn't read him specifically as bad or town. Nailed it again!

Long Con wrote:Sigh... something you should know about Long Con... I can be careless and make mistakes...because I'm bad. Bad at paying attention, especially when I'm having a few drinks in the evening...because I'm bad. Well, I guess it's not so bad to have a few drinks, especially on Christmas holidays, and I shouldn't blame the booze - it's my responsibility to monitor my own situation and do things right, and when I make mistakes, it's not...because I'm bad.

I have made a mistake in this phase, and it was unintentional, but I want to apologize to the player that knew it all along...because I'm bad. My intentions were to play it as straight as possible, and I messed it all up...because I'm bad. I'm sure most of you will fully understand what I'm talking about, and it's not a point I wish to belabor - in fact, the only reason I would even acknowledge the existence of the point is that it was my personal careless mistake that brought it up...because I'm bad.

Sorsha wrote:

DFaraday wrote:

Long Con wrote:You protected Epignosis, which stopped my rolecheck?

That doesn't jive, my rolecheck would have helped Epi.

Sorsha blocked you.

Dom wrote:

Long Con wrote:If I could have gotten Epi out of the way night 3, and checked Dom Night 5, he wouldn't have OMGUS voted me and I could have survived.

why wouldn't i have voted you?

Snow Dog wrote:

Long Con wrote:You protected Epignosis, which stopped my rolecheck?

That doesn't jive, my rolecheck would have helped Epi.

Ok I am probably wrong. Not sure what protect does.

insertnamehere wrote:... Golden was Mr. Poe, (still laughing at that name-based irony) ...

Epignosis wrote:First, I will share with you why I thought Long Con was good. Due to his "Don't count your chickens" remark about getting lynched, I interpreted that to be a signal that Long Con was Hector. However, when the tied lynch was neither stopped nor switched, I determined that Long Con is not Hector, because he would not have taken such a risk. He would have either stopped the lynch or switched it to the person he voted for. He may yet be Justice Strauss, but that doesn't explain his comment about chickens. I do not suspect him, but I don't believe he is Hector.

Long Con wrote:

Golden wrote:Yeah, the only possibility we had left which wasn't sorsha was Dom as Olaf.

What I was hoping would happen is the other five voted Dom. That way, if I was right about Dom, we would win by lynching sorsha, and if I were wrong about Dom, we'd win by lynching dom.

That's what was going to happen, but DF cut it short because Dom wasn't Olaf.

Golden wrote:Yeah, the only possibility we had left which wasn't sorsha was Dom as Olaf.

What I was hoping would happen is the other five voted Dom. That way, if I was right about Dom, we would win by lynching sorsha, and if I were wrong about Dom, we'd win by lynching dom.

DFaraday wrote:

Scotty wrote:

DFaraday wrote:I do think I had too much potential for BTSC and role knowledge in this game. Something I'll try to avoid in future games.

Oh no DF you do you. That's just the baby of the beast.

I'm just saying it's like ordering a coffee and receiving a Venti Mint-Jive mocha chai tea latte with added whip, chocolate drizzle and coconut shavings for "Garth". My name ain't Garth, ms. barista, but I'll still drink it.

Well I mean, the last few days of the game had a lot of, "I'm just really really sure about him, you guys," which is something I don't like to experience when I'm playing, especially when someone ends up lynched just because nobody is vouching for them. Less BTSC and role checking would help with that, I think.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote:

Long Con wrote:What was the case on Sorsha, by the way?

Everyone but Dom in the civvies had BTSC with someone and the VFD and cult were known.

That left Sorsha and Dom. Dom managed to lynch you so the town figured he was the super voter.....though with as many votes as you bid on the bowl, a single voter would have made it a coin flip.

I held out basically waiting for Dom. I was pretty dang sure it was Sorsha but Golden was eyeing me. I would have sided with the scum/cult if it was up to me cause I trusted Sorsha, Quin, Daisy and MP not to kill me more than I trusted Sig, Golden, Dom and DDL not to. If Sorsha had a buddy or was innocent, her lynch would have potentially lost me the game and I was willing to take 100% tomorrow over 99% today. Plus, if Dom was Jerome, I figured it wasn't up to me and the town would win. I had Sig pegged as the other townie mason after DDL basically vouched for him. Didn't realize it was a temporary BTSC. Golden didn't know how right he was about there being trust or not. I wanted Quin to win but I wasn't gonna sacrifice my win to help him. I just trusted him more. Figured the town would (perhaps rightly) sacrifice me to win with the cult while cult would (perhaps also rightly) sacrifice the town to win with me.

Good game, town, especially Sig and Golden.

Fist bump to LC and Quin. So glad to get teammates and also not be scum for my first game. Too bad we didn't know Dom was Jerome or we could have still lynched Sorsha yesterday and got a win for Quin.

MovingPictures07 wrote:I'm done with this vague bullshit. Any possible role-based info anyone could have on me being bad is incorrect.

Golden wrote:I'm trying to think of a single good town explanation for why LC, Jack and Quin would all be protecting each other with little more than 'trust me, you're wrong' to go on with.

sig wrote:...and LC not voting for sprityo....

Epignosis wrote:

Long Con wrote:

Epignosis wrote:

Jackofhearts2005 wrote:

Epignosis wrote:The zebra kill puzzles me a good deal.

Elaborate.

Of everyone alive, why would Olaf want zebra dead? Zebra was hardly participating and apt to miss additional votes.

Also, zebra was one of the more likely lynch candidates. I found it very puzzling, and a poor decision on Olaf's part. There are a few players that are seen as very Civ and are not likely to be lynched that would have been smarter choices in my opinion.

Maybe that kill got redirected.

Epignosis wrote:

Jackofhearts2005 wrote:

Epignosis wrote:The zebra kill puzzles me a good deal.

Elaborate.

Of everyone alive, why would Olaf want zebra dead? Zebra was hardly participating and apt to miss additional votes.

MovingPictures07 wrote:Epi, interesting thoughts; I'll mull over them. Not sure what immediate conclusion to take regarding sprityo's treatment of LC... I'm torn between him treating LC as a teammate and as a target.

MovingPictures07 wrote:Are we allowed to talk about missing night PMs?

Jackofhearts2005 wrote:

MovingPictures07 wrote:

Long Con wrote:

Golden wrote:Voted Quin. Hopefully it's a better bet than MP.

Goddammit Golden!

Why, Quin? Why couldn't you just drop it? Fucking pointless argument... about sig?! Sig is not on the plate today!

You're going to have egg on your face.

This post will become really funny at midnight.

MovingPictures07 wrote:

Long Con wrote:

MovingPictures07 wrote:

Long Con wrote:

MovingPictures07 wrote:I realize this is going to be ironic given the conversation I had earlier with Epi, but let me just say one thing about this and then drop it:

Do you all really think, especially those who know me, as a baddie I would have behaved as cavalier about this game as I have for most of this game if I i here bad?

Absolutely.

MovingPictures07 wrote:

Long Con wrote:

Golden wrote:Voted Quin. Hopefully it's a better bet than MP.

Goddammit Golden!

Why, Quin? Why couldn't you just drop it? Fucking pointless argument... about sig?! Sig is not on the plate today!

You're going to have egg on your face.

I already do. But you don't know why.

Then you don't know how to read me that well.

I never claimed I do know how to read you that well.

I don't know what that has to do with my egg. I think we're talking about different eggs.

Oh yeah, I stopped talking about the egg thing because I was confused.

MovingPictures07 wrote:

Long Con wrote:

MovingPictures07 wrote:I realize this is going to be ironic given the conversation I had earlier with Epi, but let me just say one thing about this and then drop it:

Do you all really think, especially those who know me, as a baddie I would have behaved as cavalier about this game as I have for most of this game if I i here bad?

Absolutely.

MovingPictures07 wrote:

Long Con wrote:

Golden wrote:Voted Quin. Hopefully it's a better bet than MP.

Goddammit Golden!

Why, Quin? Why couldn't you just drop it? Fucking pointless argument... about sig?! Sig is not on the plate today!

You're going to have egg on your face.

I already do. But you don't know why.

Then you don't know how to read me that well.

MovingPictures07 wrote:

Golden wrote:I think you're doing the exact opposite. Trying to avoid having much impact on who is chosen for a lynch, or on having any strong opinions on who troupe members might be.

You're too busy arguing why sig could be Troupe even though you think he isn't, for example. Why should this be seen as townie? What's the function of it from a civilian mindset? All it does is cast doubt on someone who we have every reason to trust...

Bingo. I would like to lynch Quin.

MovingPictures07 wrote:I realize this is going to be ironic given the conversation I had earlier with Epi, but let me just say one thing about this and then drop it:

Do you all really think, especially those who know me, as a baddie I would have behaved as cavalier about this game as I have for most of this game if I i here bad?

MovingPictures07 wrote:

Long Con wrote:

Golden wrote:Voted Quin. Hopefully it's a better bet than MP.

Goddammit Golden!

Why, Quin? Why couldn't you just drop it? Fucking pointless argument... about sig?! Sig is not on the plate today!

You're going to have egg on your face.

Dom wrote:why not quin

Golden wrote:Voted Quin. Hopefully it's a better bet than MP.

Golden wrote:

Long Con wrote:

Golden wrote:

Quin wrote:

Golden wrote:Sig was entirely responsible for the glorfindel/sprit suspicion from the start, and was the only one out of anyone who gave reasons beyond glorf subbing out (and was on it before glorf subbed out). There is no good reason to have him at orange in your rainbow, it's just bizarre.

Yes there is. We still don't know why Glorfindel subbed out or the conversations he may have had with his team about it. He could have told his team to bus him for the civ cred towards the beginning of the game.
The fact that he was replaced anyway does counter that theory to a degree, but there's no good reason to think that both couldn't have happened.

No team in their right mind would ever say 'yes' to this.

If Glorf comes in to my team and asks to be bussed day one, I tell him 'ask for a replacement, we are not bussing you'. What a waste of a limited resource that would be. Especially in a game where you only get a kill once every second day.

No one is trying to lynch sig. It's just not impossible for him to be bad. It's just one of the most unlikely ones.

It's not impossible for anyone to be bad. What I said is that sig is even less likely to be bad than those who appear mechanically cleared, and I stick by that.

Golden wrote:

Quin wrote:

Golden wrote:Sig was entirely responsible for the glorfindel/sprit suspicion from the start, and was the only one out of anyone who gave reasons beyond glorf subbing out (and was on it before glorf subbed out). There is no good reason to have him at orange in your rainbow, it's just bizarre.

Yes there is. We still don't know why Glorfindel subbed out or the conversations he may have had with his team about it. He could have told his team to bus him for the civ cred towards the beginning of the game.
The fact that he was replaced anyway does counter that theory to a degree, but there's no good reason to think that both couldn't have happened.

No team in their right mind would ever say 'yes' to this.

If Glorf comes in to my team and asks to be bussed day one, I tell him 'ask for a replacement, we are not bussing you'. What a waste of a limited resource that would be. Especially in a game where you only get a kill once every second day.

Golden wrote:

Long Con wrote:LOL, although in the other one (Haiku), I hid you, Golden, in my moderately bad reads, because you were the one I was most sure was Civ. Then you complained about it. And you were bad. How ironic?

I'll always challenge someone who puts me on the bad side!

Dom wrote:

Long Con wrote:

Dom wrote:

Long Con wrote: Who else acted like a certain role?

Aren't you arguing affiliation?
Couldn't you say... I dunno... sig could be bad by the same argument, but replace "indy" with "civvie"?

sig seems to be acting like a supatown, and he expressed shock that he was orange in my list. I thought maybe he was supposed to be Klaus, but then I read him talking about who else might be Klaus. Is he just supatowning off the Gloryo meta read triumph?

That's where I stand with sig. I can point to the specific post where MP tries to REALLY softclaim Indy. You know the one, right?

no

Dom wrote:hey long con why am i suddenly not olaf anymore

Golden wrote:Sig was entirely responsible for the glorfindel/sprit suspicion from the start, and was the only one out of anyone who gave reasons beyond glorf subbing out (and was on it before glorf subbed out). There is no good reason to have him at orange in your rainbow, it's just bizarre.

Long Con wrote:Inseereal

sig wrote:I've never acted like a certain role.

I'm on phone so can't post very well, but lc answered my points so I've gotta think on that.

Daisy did avoid the wagons yes but her being so obviously absent makes her less likely to be mafia in my eyes.

Dom wrote:

Long Con wrote: Who else acted like a certain role?

Aren't you arguing affiliation?
Couldn't you say... I dunno... sig could be bad by the same argument, but replace "indy" with "civvie"?

Golden wrote:

Epignosis wrote:I agree with LC on a few points. I would be viewing the Powdered Women role a liability rather than an asset. It sounds good when you look at it, but it isn't in practice.

I think LC's post is good stuff. If LC was a teammate of sprityo2, and his team knew LC couldn't be lynched, then sprityo's sudden vote against LC wouldn't make any sense.

I am less likely to vote LC now.

Why doesn't sprit's vote against LC make sense in that context? It could be seen as distancing. It would be odd for sprit not to make the vote. Wouldn't he be entirely unafraid to make the vote knowing LC could get lynched and then they both end up not lynched? Especially if LC is honest about his save being for day two only...

Long Con wrote:...from Day to and carefully laid out...