The Syndicate

Night 3 was also the night I was able to use a roleblock. I used it on Quin, intending to clear him somewhat from being bad. Then you guys tried to kill me, and since the Host was too cruel to reveal WHO didn't get targeted, I had to go with the idea that Quin was a blocked killer. My bad! Quin, I promise not to roleblock you for a whole year.

I never doubted you, Ep.

Great job guys! I should have stuck with my Llama suspicion.

G-Man wrote:Current (not including Night 6 Poll) Hillary Points Standings:

+19 Points: notsawyer540, S~V~S
+16 Points: Marmot, thellama73
+15 Points: Long Con
+14 Points: DFarady
+13.5 Points: Epignosis
+13 Points: DrWilgy
+12 Points: MacDougall, TheFloyd73
+11 Points: Jackofhearts2005
+9 Points: FZ., Scotty
+7 Points: Elohcin
+6 Points: Quin

Would anyone be opposed to me ending the night phase at 3:30 (aka the PM submission deadline)? My end-of-work-day might involve a meeting and I'd rather post an hour earlier than usual than a few hours later than usual.

End it as soon as all PMs are in. No reason to prolong this.

Epignosis wrote:And now there's this new person, colonialbob, judging me.

I saw that too.

Let's hope we can grab this lynch like a pussycat and stroke it into submission.

I do find it highly unlikely that this will happen though. I am 93% sure that the game will be ending at roughly 5:30 pm EST.

Two baddies left, and they're within notsawyer, Llama, and Wilgy. I'd say Llama and Wilgy, but WTF do I know? Nothing. Unless someone has some sort of protection, the baddies have already won. Oh well.

No Llama. I vote you now.

thellama73 wrote:

Long Con wrote:

thellama73 wrote:I do not like this passive LC. It is unlike him. Since when does he let other people drive?

Blah blah blah so unlike LC blah.

This is baddie Llama gently nibbling low hanging fruit.

You don't believe that. You haven't believed it all game.

Wrong.

thellama73 wrote:I do not like this passive LC. It is unlike him. Since when does he let other people drive?

Blah blah blah so unlike LC blah.

This is baddie Llama gently nibbling low hanging fruit.

Epignosis wrote:

Long Con wrote:Llama is very likely bad. Just through POE if nothing else, if Epi is good. A suspect of mine since way back.

Why did you wait until I said anything about him to express this?

Because I'm letting you drive. I drive into the ditch when I take the wheel.

Whatever. You voting me yet?

Llama is very likely bad. Just through POE if nothing else, if Epi is good. A suspect of mine since way back.

DrWilgy wrote:

Long Con wrote:

notsawyer540 wrote:

Long Con wrote:

notsawyer540 wrote:You took that last bit as an accusation and you're getting a little too close to defensiveness for comfort, but I'll grant you a pass because I think it's a simple misunderstanding.

How is this not an accusation? How is this not worthy of a response from me??

notsawyer540 wrote:What discomforts me is not that part, but the part the next day where he evened up the votes between four people and said he was waiting to see who would flinch. Seems to me DF may be guilty because he was the first to flinch, LC may be guilty because he was trying to gain civ points by seeing who would or otherwise mislead us...

The suspicious part here is where I evened up the votes because I evened up the votes. Or I was trying to gain Civ ppints by doing the thing that makes me suspicious. Or a) tie up vote b) ??? c) mislead d) ???

Cool.

You changed your vote at the last moment. Along with Wilgy iirc. Whille I do appreciate not being lynched and not having a tie, don't tell me that doesn't seem odd.

A tie is good for the baddies. Breaking the tie isn't odd, and doesn't "seem" odd. It's what had to be done.

Unless Marmot couldn't move his vote there was no reason for you to nreal the tie. He hadn't thrown a defensive vote yet.

It would've been a tie had I not moved.

Ok, well "nreal" not being a word aside...

Are you actually criticizing me for that when you did the exact same thing at the exact same time???

thellama73 wrote:The thing thta has me spooked about LC is his "have pity on me, I'm confused" moment. That seemed really out of character to me, as I'm used to him being confident. I have a hard time buying that it was sincere.

I have a hard time buying that your face is sincere.

notsawyer540 wrote:

Long Con wrote:

notsawyer540 wrote:You took that last bit as an accusation and you're getting a little too close to defensiveness for comfort, but I'll grant you a pass because I think it's a simple misunderstanding.

How is this not an accusation? How is this not worthy of a response from me??

notsawyer540 wrote:What discomforts me is not that part, but the part the next day where he evened up the votes between four people and said he was waiting to see who would flinch. Seems to me DF may be guilty because he was the first to flinch, LC may be guilty because he was trying to gain civ points by seeing who would or otherwise mislead us...

The suspicious part here is where I evened up the votes because I evened up the votes. Or I was trying to gain Civ ppints by doing the thing that makes me suspicious. Or a) tie up vote b) ??? c) mislead d) ???

Cool.

You changed your vote at the last moment. Along with Wilgy iirc. Whille I do appreciate not being lynched and not having a tie, don't tell me that doesn't seem odd.

A tie is good for the baddies. Breaking the tie isn't odd, and doesn't "seem" odd. It's what had to be done.

notsawyer540 wrote:You took that last bit as an accusation and you're getting a little too close to defensiveness for comfort, but I'll grant you a pass because I think it's a simple misunderstanding.

How is this not an accusation? How is this not worthy of a response from me??

notsawyer540 wrote:What discomforts me is not that part, but the part the next day where he evened up the votes between four people and said he was waiting to see who would flinch. Seems to me DF may be guilty because he was the first to flinch, LC may be guilty because he was trying to gain civ points by seeing who would or otherwise mislead us...

The suspicious part here is where I evened up the votes because I evened up the votes. Or I was trying to gain Civ ppints by doing the thing that makes me suspicious. Or a) tie up vote b) ??? c) mislead d) ???

Cool.

notsawyer540 wrote:LC: I've had a civ read of him the entire game. Perhaps I'm mistaken and perhaps he's pulled a ruse on me, but he still strikes me as civ. The mistaken day thing is extremely disconcerting, and it'll factor heavily into my vote, but it won't DECIDE my vote.

There is no "mistaken day thing". That didn't happen.

DF or Wilgy will likely get my vote. Despite my read on him, I'm not against voting for LC because of the wrong day thing. What discomforts me is not that part, but the part the next day where he evened up the votes between four people and said he was waiting to see who would flinch. Seems to me DF may be guilty because he was the first to flinch, LC may be guilty becuase he was trying to gain civ points by seeing who would, or they both are by setting up a way to subtly clear one or the other.

Evening up the votes is a baddie thing now? I thought we might see some real shit in a situation like that. Guess I'm just a baddie and I was wrong about that idea.

No.

Epignosis wrote:

Long Con wrote:

Epignosis wrote:

Long Con wrote:Mac, you really were that good.

Go ahead and vote me. I didn't mess up any times, Epi. I said I was voting you "for now". That's not a last-minute vote.

I'm not going to say the things that should convince you I'm Civ. You should already be convinced. Do what you will. I'll vote someone who is not me.

Why should I be convinced?

Because I'm so good lookin'.

That isn't helpful.

Two options:

a) you're bad, you dropped the Eloh thing forever, great job, go on and win. Vote me now, they'll follow you.

b) I told you to drop the Long Con suspicion.

These are the seriously fucking true only options available to you. Read them and know them. I don't have a defense for you. I have sucked ass all game and I already apologized for it. You can win or lose now, I can't help you.

'Cause, you know, that "time forgetting" thing you are saying about me now is so good. Damn, I almost had a BRILLIANT baddie plan but I forgot what day it was! No.

Epignosis wrote:

Long Con wrote:Mac, you really were that good.

Go ahead and vote me. I didn't mess up any times, Epi. I said I was voting you "for now". That's not a last-minute vote.

I'm not going to say the things that should convince you I'm Civ. You should already be convinced. Do what you will. I'll vote someone who is not me.

Why should I be convinced?

Because I'm so good lookin'.

Mac, you really were that good.

Go ahead and vote me. I didn't mess up any times, Epi. I said I was voting you "for now". That's not a last-minute vote.

I'm not going to say the things that should convince you I'm Civ. You should already be convinced. Do what you will. I'll vote someone who is not me.

If you're bad, Epi, it's worth it to cash in your Elohcin chips forever. If you're Civ... then you were as terrible as I was, and hopefully we'll do better next time.

Ok lynch me tomorrow.

Wilgy did the same thing I did.

Sorry Marmot, I broke it.

Marmot wrote:His accusations against me are weak, and often off-the-cuff and unfounded. Why? He doesn't need to make a strong case against me; I'm an easy lynch.

Get off your damn "Epignosis is a civilian, because he's always civilian" mentality and get your shit together civilians.

That's not what I'm doing. I just think he made some really good points about why he's a Civ. I think he'd rather have a golden gem in his pocket about never killing Eloh, than give it up for a Heist.

Ok there, now we see who flinches.

thellama73 wrote:

Long Con wrote:Marmot cannot vote DFaraday, because that would force DFaraday to switch to Marmot, resulting in Marmot's lynch. Marmot is forced to vote notsawyer.

True, but if Metalmarsh votes DFaraday and DFaraday votes Metalmarsh, that still leaves me with a spare vote. Oh the power.

What would you do with your power?

Marmot cannot vote DFaraday, because that would force DFaraday to switch to Marmot, resulting in Marmot's lynch. Marmot is forced to vote notsawyer.

Right now we're forcing Marmot to choose who to make tied with him. Once that happens, someone else will have to un-tie it. Who will be the one to make the ultimate decision? It's a big responsibility.

It's no longer in effect - pretty sure apparent ties will be actual ties.

Marmot wrote:

Long Con wrote:

Marmot wrote:

Long Con wrote:

Marmot wrote:That's two posts that suggests that Long Con is a power role. Why is he still alive? Why haven't the mafia killed him?

Two different power roles. And that's not counting the lie detector stuff. As Mafia, I've been trying to draw out that last, crucial Civ power role all game, and they're just so darn stubborn that they won't counter my so-called suggestions... and so timid that they won't try to make a case against me. Even though they know I'm the last baddie.

Oh, sorry, is that what you are doing, Marmot? If so, carry on.

How many mafia are there? Was that an intentionally placed slip?

No, just an assumption based on the numbers.

Check out last year's RED vs. BLUE.

Three baddies. And Scotty was a Seemer and you didn't know you got a baddie Night 1? Fun.

Marmot wrote:

Long Con wrote:

Marmot wrote:That's two posts that suggests that Long Con is a power role. Why is he still alive? Why haven't the mafia killed him?

Two different power roles. And that's not counting the lie detector stuff. As Mafia, I've been trying to draw out that last, crucial Civ power role all game, and they're just so darn stubborn that they won't counter my so-called suggestions... and so timid that they won't try to make a case against me. Even though they know I'm the last baddie.

Oh, sorry, is that what you are doing, Marmot? If so, carry on.

How many mafia are there? Was that an intentionally placed slip?

No, just an assumption based on the numbers.

Marmot wrote:But there's also the fact that Floyd was nightkilled last night.

Would Long Con nightkill a player he said something incredibly rude to? That's double the rude.

That is a great point.

Marmot wrote:That's two posts that suggests that Long Con is a power role. Why is he still alive? Why haven't the mafia killed him?

Two different power roles. And that's not counting the lie detector stuff. As Mafia, I've been trying to draw out that last, crucial Civ power role all game, and they're just so darn stubborn that they won't counter my so-called suggestions... and so timid that they won't try to make a case against me. Even though they know I'm the last baddie.

Oh, sorry, is that what you are doing, Marmot? If so, carry on.

Epignosis wrote:LC- I'm still waiting to hear your big thing on MM.

I don't have one. I just told you I was making that up as a baiting technique.

Nah guy, I'm someone you want there on Endgame Day. There's obvious reasons I'm Civ. Obvious to me anyway. You think I'm trying to deceive you about something?

Epignosis wrote:You use me as bait when I'm already the front-runner for being lynched? No. Not your biggest fan.

Convince other people to save you.

I don't even believe you are getting lynched today.

thellama73 wrote:I will say, I'm having trouble buying the "oh, I'm so confused" defense from LC. He's one of the most confident and capable mafia players I know. This doesn't seem like him. It seems like a ploy.

I don't really feel like it was a defense. More like an apology. And I don't think I'm confused, I just can't tell who to believe right now.

Epignosis wrote:

Long Con wrote:

Epignosis wrote:It's Day 5. I don't see the value of that kind of weak sauce reaction baiting.

MM said he was going to vote you and named reasons he would cite later.

You said you were going to analyze MM and vote him.

I'm not impressed.

Yeah, sorry I'm not impressive. I just get ideas in my head and try them.

How do you figure out who's bad? I don't even know. Sometimes, there's some stuff that looks bad, but everyone's so good at giving reasons for their behaviour, convincing reasons! So, what do you do, automatically ignore those reasons? That's tunnelling. If that's the case I should be voting Llama.

I don't know how to figure out who's lying. So I try things. Gambits, though that's a grandiose name for some of the attempts. I don't think you believe that makes me bad. I'd like to hear Marmot's case anyway though.

You've tried multiple ideas.

What have you done with them?

You defended llama acting like you were a power role.

You said you were going to put up a huge case on MM.

You voted me to get reactions.

I don't see you doing anything with any of that.

Well, I was a leader in the Quin lynch. You don't have to see me doing stuff for me to be doing stuff. Leave me alone. I'm not bad, you don't have to do this. I'm sorry for not being effective.

Linki: Come on, man, don't do this. I'm not smearing my views, and I'm not writing right now for some sinister after-lynch smearing plan. That's crazy talk, Epi, I'm just posting real shit.

thellama73 wrote:Wow, this is the most uncertain and vulnerable I have ever heard Long Con. It's kind of endearing, but I don't know what to make of it.

Sometimes everyone just seems so Civ. I'm also following the Game of Champions. bea? What a land mine. I think maybe I've been burned too many times recently, lynched too many Civs. I'll get my groove back at some point, but I really feel useless right now in this game.

Mac maxes out my suspiciometer every time he posts. You, llama, made me really suspicious earlier, and I do feel like lynching you is something I will take part in, if it happens.

Marmot has given me a couple of good pings, including voting for me.

DFaraday? Maybe Macdougall really is just plain that good, and I should be listening to him. It has crossed my mind.

Epignosis wrote:It's Day 5. I don't see the value of that kind of weak sauce reaction baiting.

MM said he was going to vote you and named reasons he would cite later.

You said you were going to analyze MM and vote him.

I'm not impressed.

Yeah, sorry I'm not impressive. I just get ideas in my head and try them.

How do you figure out who's bad? I don't even know. Sometimes, there's some stuff that looks bad, but everyone's so good at giving reasons for their behaviour, convincing reasons! So, what do you do, automatically ignore those reasons? That's tunnelling. If that's the case I should be voting Llama.

I don't know how to figure out who's lying. So I try things. Gambits, though that's a grandiose name for some of the attempts. I don't think you believe that makes me bad. I'd like to hear Marmot's case anyway though.

I did?

Long Con wrote:@Epi: I am actually preparing a nice ISO on MM that should be quite convincing that he is bad.

Oh yeah, that! I was just baiting him. I didn't really mean I was going to do it. I actually forgot I said it.

It would be people who voted you after me.

Also, I meant MM voting me. Read the last two sentences as "I see it makes me get lynched. MM cozied right up to that idea though..."

thellama73 wrote:That's sorta basic and predictable, Long Con. I expect better of you.

Really?

Epignosis wrote:

Long Con wrote:

Epignosis wrote:Long Con has phrased his reason for voting me in a way that places the blame at my feet when I am lynched and shown to be a civilian. Now consider:

Epignosis wrote:

Long Con wrote:

Epignosis wrote:

Long Con wrote:

How many times have you killed Black Rock Night 1?

I believe that the correct answer is zero.

I think so too.

Q.E.D.

If Long Con has not and presumably would not kill Black Rock Night 1, why does he think I would kill Eloh Night 1 to win a damn Heist?

MM had two votes, tied with me, and LC gives a demonstrably insincere reason for voting me to put me in the lead over MM. I wonder why.

Hey LC, who would be more likely to kill Eloh Night 1: MM or me?

MM, of course. I was just kidding, Epi, I'm not voting for you. I just wanted to see what reactions there were to me voting you. I see it makes me get lynched. MM cozied right up to that idea though, so I'll vote for him.

I would say that the Presidential Order means we won't be able to post on Night 5. Probably.

I don't believe that. What other reaction do you think would happen?

Opportunistic baddies?

Epignosis wrote:Long Con has phrased his reason for voting me in a way that places the blame at my feet when I am lynched and shown to be a civilian. Now consider:

Epignosis wrote:

Long Con wrote:

Epignosis wrote:

Long Con wrote:

How many times have you killed Black Rock Night 1?

I believe that the correct answer is zero.

I think so too.

Q.E.D.

If Long Con has not and presumably would not kill Black Rock Night 1, why does he think I would kill Eloh Night 1 to win a damn Heist?

MM had two votes, tied with me, and LC gives a demonstrably insincere reason for voting me to put me in the lead over MM. I wonder why.

Hey LC, who would be more likely to kill Eloh Night 1: MM or me?

MM, of course. I was just kidding, Epi, I'm not voting for you. I just wanted to see what reactions there were to me voting you. I see it makes me get lynched. MM cozied right up to that idea though, so I'll vote for him.

I would say that the Presidential Order means we won't be able to post on Night 5. Probably.

Epignosis wrote:

Long Con wrote:What's your ideal endgame scenario?

I don't know. All I'm saying is that if I lose because Wilgy or MM honestly think I killed Eloh Night 1, that will be a new level of boneheadedness on their part.

You're pushing that point so hard, it's starting to have the opposite effect on me. I'm going to place a vote on you for now.

Vote Epignosis

What's your ideal endgame scenario?