GAME OVER: BLUE vs. RED

[DrWilgy]

Wilgy did the same thing I did.

High five

[Epignosis]

That last minute fit of frustration does not bode well for the result, I'm afraid. I hope it wasn't genuine.

[DrWilgy]

I just don't get why he didn't vote DF.

I wouldn't have swapped if he did. Oh well.

[Epignosis]

His accusations against me are weak, and often off-the-cuff and unfounded. Why? He doesn't need to make a strong case against me; I'm an easy lynch.

Get off your damn "Epignosis is a civilian, because he's always civilian" mentality and get your shit together civilians.

I don't really have anything else to say, except lynch Epignosis please.

On the other hand, you could have taken your own advice and realized I'm not bad and went from there. Instead you have foolishly pursued me when I should've been cleared (I'm not even close to tired of saying that), and it deeply troubles me that you are still calling for my head. Some nerve you've got telling civilians to get their shit together when all you've done all Day 5 is leave your vote on the one guy you should know is a civilian.

I almost wish I would have been lynched just to shut you down.

All that's if your frustration here was genuine, of course. I am still hoping it was not.

[Marmot]

I did, I left you alone. Something happened that changed my mind, but I considered the idea that I was wrong and looked elsewhere.

You did not.

[Marmot]

Well, you have looked elsewhere, but you've maintained since I started suspecting you that I'm bad because of it.

I've seen civilian Epignosis be more fair and less condescending about such things, something you have not done here.

[Epignosis]

I did, I left you alone. Something happened that changed my mind, but I considered the idea that I was wrong and looked elsewhere.

You did not.

My vote has been on eleven different people today. You left yours on me and didn't even bother saving yourself. I don't call that leaving me alone.

[Epignosis]

Well, you have looked elsewhere, but you've maintained since I started suspecting you that I'm bad because of it.

I've seen civilian Epignosis be more fair and less condescending about such things, something you have not done here.

What things have I been condescending or unfair about?

[DrWilgy]

Hmmm... Let's lynch LC tomorrow.

[Epignosis]

Hmmm... Let's lynch LC tomorrow.

I agree, and I think I've worked out why.

I think LC made a goofy mistake, and I'm ashamed I didn't realize it at the time.

[DrWilgy]

Hmmm... Let's lynch LC tomorrow.

I agree, and I think I've worked out why.

I think LC made a goofy mistake, and I'm ashamed I didn't realize it at the time.

Is it related to his vote just a moment ago?

[Epignosis]

Hmmm... Let's lynch LC tomorrow.

I agree, and I think I've worked out why.

I think LC made a goofy mistake, and I'm ashamed I didn't realize it at the time.

Is it related to his vote just a moment ago?

A moment ago plus one day.

[Marmot]

Well, you have looked elsewhere, but you've maintained since I started suspecting you that I'm bad because of it.

I've seen civilian Epignosis be more fair and less condescending about such things, something you have not done here.

What things have I been condescending or unfair about?

You've called me a foolish and boneheaded (Wilgy too).

One of your reasons for voting for me is so you're not "stuck" in an endgame scenario with me.



Yes I'm a little irked by those things. I don't think they're necessary or accurate. You're asking me to understand a mindset that I just can't empathize with. I'm telling you I can't, so I've ignored that in my read of you.

[Epignosis]

What's your ideal endgame scenario?

I don't know. All I'm saying is that if I lose because Wilgy or MM honestly think I killed Eloh Night 1, that will be a new level of boneheadedness on their part.

You're pushing that point so hard, it's starting to have the opposite effect on me. I'm going to place a vote on you for now.

Vote Epignosis

This post came at 4:01 PM EST.

The lynch ended at 4:32pm EST...the next day.

I think Long Con believed the lynch was ending in half an hour and he sailed in with a third vote on me. When he realized his error, he made up some convoluted nonsense about fishing for reactions.

Damn. I can't believe I didn't realize that until now.

[Marmot]

I'm no JaggedJimmyJay, but I don't appreciate your manner of response to my cases.

[DrWilgy]

Well, you have looked elsewhere, but you've maintained since I started suspecting you that I'm bad because of it.

I've seen civilian Epignosis be more fair and less condescending about such things, something you have not done here.

What things have I been condescending or unfair about?

You've called me a foolish and boneheaded (Wilgy too).

One of your reasons for voting for me is so you're not "stuck" in an endgame scenario with me.



Yes I'm a little irked by those things. I don't think they're necessary or accurate. You're asking me to understand a mindset that I just can't empathize with. I'm telling you I can't, so I've ignored that in my read of you.

^ This

[Marmot]

What's your ideal endgame scenario?

I don't know. All I'm saying is that if I lose because Wilgy or MM honestly think I killed Eloh Night 1, that will be a new level of boneheadedness on their part.

You're pushing that point so hard, it's starting to have the opposite effect on me. I'm going to place a vote on you for now.

Vote Epignosis

This post came at 4:01 PM EST.

The lynch ended at 4:32pm EST...the next day.

I think Long Con believed the lynch was ending in half an hour and he sailed in with a third vote on me. When he realized his error, he made up some convoluted nonsense about fishing for reactions.

Damn. I can't believe I didn't realize that until now.

I'd be happy to lynch him too!

Oh wait...

[DrWilgy]

What's your ideal endgame scenario?

I don't know. All I'm saying is that if I lose because Wilgy or MM honestly think I killed Eloh Night 1, that will be a new level of boneheadedness on their part.

You're pushing that point so hard, it's starting to have the opposite effect on me. I'm going to place a vote on you for now.

Vote Epignosis

This post came at 4:01 PM EST.

The lynch ended at 4:32pm EST...the next day.

I think Long Con believed the lynch was ending in half an hour and he sailed in with a third vote on me. When he realized his error, he made up some convoluted nonsense about fishing for reactions.

Damn. I can't believe I didn't realize that until now.

I'd be happy to lynch him too!

Oh wait...

Why haven't we lynched DF? I don't think we've lynched anyone I wanted dead all game. SVS over DF, Quin over DF, Marmot over DF? Why aren't we answering the important questions?

[notsawyer540]

What's your ideal endgame scenario?

I don't know. All I'm saying is that if I lose because Wilgy or MM honestly think I killed Eloh Night 1, that will be a new level of boneheadedness on their part.

You're pushing that point so hard, it's starting to have the opposite effect on me. I'm going to place a vote on you for now.

Vote Epignosis

This post came at 4:01 PM EST.

The lynch ended at 4:32pm EST...the next day.

I think Long Con believed the lynch was ending in half an hour and he sailed in with a third vote on me. When he realized his error, he made up some convoluted nonsense about fishing for reactions.

Damn. I can't believe I didn't realize that until now.

I just assumed that everyone would know the end time, so I didn't think twice about that until now.

[Long Con]

Ok lynch me tomorrow.

[DrWilgy]

What's your ideal endgame scenario?

I don't know. All I'm saying is that if I lose because Wilgy or MM honestly think I killed Eloh Night 1, that will be a new level of boneheadedness on their part.

You're pushing that point so hard, it's starting to have the opposite effect on me. I'm going to place a vote on you for now.

Vote Epignosis

This post came at 4:01 PM EST.

The lynch ended at 4:32pm EST...the next day.

I think Long Con believed the lynch was ending in half an hour and he sailed in with a third vote on me. When he realized his error, he made up some convoluted nonsense about fishing for reactions.

Damn. I can't believe I didn't realize that until now.

This reflects the swap he just did. Neat.

[Epignosis]

Yeah...this lynch is going to be a disappointment.

Well, you have looked elsewhere, but you've maintained since I started suspecting you that I'm bad because of it.

I've seen civilian Epignosis be more fair and less condescending about such things, something you have not done here.

What things have I been condescending or unfair about?

You've called me a foolish and boneheaded (Wilgy too).

One of your reasons for voting for me is so you're not "stuck" in an endgame scenario with me.



Yes I'm a little irked by those things. I don't think they're necessary or accurate. You're asking me to understand a mindset that I just can't empathize with. I'm telling you I can't, so I've ignored that in my read of you.

^ This

I'm no JaggedJimmyJay, but I don't appreciate your manner of response to my cases.

Mafia is something in which I have to decide whether I think a person actually thinks something is true of if they're only pretending to think something is true. I didn't believe S~V~S genuinely thought I was being set up, and for that and other reasons, I rallied a lynch against her. As it turns out, she must have believed what she believed. Maybe I should've learned my lesson, but it's part of how I operate: I simply cannot fathom your suspicion of me. But if you truly believe what you believe about me, okay. Maybe I'll get lynched next, as you would like. Either way, you will see that you were wrong.

In any event, I apologize for being uncharitable or unkind- to both of you.

[Long Con]

If you're bad, Epi, it's worth it to cash in your Elohcin chips forever. If you're Civ... then you were as terrible as I was, and hopefully we'll do better next time.

[G-Man]

THERE'S NO DETAIL TOO SMALL FOR ME

ERIN BURNETT: Thank you for joining us for another edition of OutFront. Events today sent shock waves through both the Republican and Democratic parties. The ramifications and political fallout of both events is impossible to estimate at this time.

First, former Democratic Congressman Anthony Weiner is under federal investigation tonight after sending more lewd text messages to young women. This time, some of the pictures are of the former congressman in bed with his son. This has brought on an investigation due to the possibility of endangering or using his son in a provocative manner. The text messages in question were sent last Fall but they come to light now under the Clinton Administration.

During the investigation, which had been kept secret until now, the FBI obtained a personal computer belonging to Weiner and his wife, Huma Abedin, who is Counselor to the President. While the FBI was looking for any additional images that Weiner sent via text or social media, they discovered a large cache of Huma Abedin's emails that were not turned over to the FBI during their investigation into Hillary Clinton's private email server last year. No word yet if this discovery could lead to the FBI re-opening the investigation. In the wake of her husband's investigation and the discovery of undisclosed emails, Huma Abedin has resigned from her post in the administration.

Our second story tonight could mark the end of two political legacies. In Kansas, a plane crash has taken the lives of former Florida governor and Republican presidential candidate Jeb Bush along with Charles and David Koch. According to CNN sources, Bush was meeting with the billionaire Koch brothers to discuss a potential run for president in 2020. Over the years, the Koch brother have funneled hundreds of millions of dollars into Republican campaigns in state and federal elections. More on that in a few minutes, but now we're going to return to our top story...

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Marmot was lynched. He was...

Spoiler: show

HUMA ABEDIN
Hillary Clinton's right-hand woman and a vanilla civvie.

It is now Night 5.

You have until 3:30 pm EST to send in your PM's.
Please note that Daylight Savings Time begins tonight, so the time you are accustomed to seeing phases end may shift.

[Marmot]

Thanks for the game G-Man!

[G-Man]

Hillary Clinton has declared a curfew on this thread. The thread will remain locked until the Night Post. No posting is allowed.

There is a 50% chance that the curfew will block any night kills.

[G-Man]

THE WHITE HOUSE

EXECUTIVE ORDER
13767
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ENSURING VOTING INTEGRITY

By virtue of the authority vested in me as President of the United States, it is hereby ordered as follows:

Section 1. Declaration of Change. Beginning on Thursday, January 26, 2017, the Federal Election Commission is hereby ordered to bring all states and territories into compliance with existing election norms on a permanent basis. Agents of the FEC are to instruct all election officials not currently in compliance and ensure that all votes cast in local, state and federal elections are final and no longer subject to change.

Section 2. Purpose of Change. Trustworthy outcomes of elections are essential to preserving our democracy and the faith citizens and residents have in said results. No elections should include changeable votes or else the veracity of results can be called into question for all elections. To avoid this undermining of trust, all voters must be firm in their opinions and decisions upon casting their votes.

HILLARY D. R. CLINTON

THE WHITE HOUSE,
January 25, 2017

[G-Man]

BRAVE

ALISYN CAMEROTA: Good morning and thank you for tuning into CNN's New Day this morning. I'm Alisyn Camerota with Chris Cuomo. It's Thursday, January 26th. Almost a full week into the Hillary Clinton administration and it's still a bumpy road.

CHRIS CUOMO: That's right Alisyn. With tension mounting between the Clinton Administration and the press, White House Press Secretary Brian Fallon lashed out at a group of reporters this morning. After providing the White House press corps with a morning briefing, several journalists from different media outlets pressed for more information regarding Sidney Blumenthal, Operation Cobalt, and the Podesta email leaks. Fresh rumors swept the internet last night and clarification was sought on a number of the purported details making their way around blogs and partisan websites.

ALISYN CAMEROTA: After fielding half a dozen questions on these rumors, Fallon went off on a tirade, singling out a handful of reporters by name. In his ranting, which already has over one million views on line, Fallon decried the rumors and suggested that anyone reporting on them is peddling in fake news. He then threatened to strip White House press credentials from anyone asking about these topics and stormed out of the room.

CHRIS CUOMO: Despite ideological differences between some members of the press corps, they delivered a unanimous condemnation of Mr. Fallon's behavior within 30 minutes of the incident. The term 'fake news' became a popular buzzword last year during the election due to countless false stories being published on several social media sites regarding both candidates, including false rumors of Hillary Clinton's supposed medical condition to Ted Cruz's alleged ties to an evangelical Christian cult bent on making America a theocracy.

ALISYN CAMEROTA: While some liberal blogs are praising Mr. Fallon for taking a stand against conservative media outlets, the majority of networks and website-based news disapprove. Rumors are swirling now that Fallon has either quit his role as Press Secretary or was asked to resign. Not official word from the White House yet regarding this potential development but one thing remains clear- Hillary Clinton seems to be running out of allies.

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The curfew failed to block the kill.

MacDougall has departed from the administration. He was...

Spoiler: show

BRIAN FALLON
White House Press Secretary and a vanilla civvie.

It is now day 6.
You have 48 hours to lynch someone.

Per Executive Order 13767, all votes are now final.

[thellama73]

RIP MacDougall. I'll have to think carefully about my vote today. It seems this one really counts.

[DrWilgy]

Neat, 2v4. LC and DF are the remaining baddoes and votes are final.

Mislynch causes a 2v2... Is that game over or a 50/50?

[G-Man]

Mislynch causes a 2v2... Is that game over or a 50/50?

[DrWilgy]

Hey LC, why did you kill Marmot instead of DF?

[Epignosis]

LC is my strongest suspect. I do believe he tried to pull a fast one and blundered the time. He must've pissed off Chronos.

[MacDougall]

Sweet release

[Long Con]

Mac, you really were that good.

Go ahead and vote me. I didn't mess up any times, Epi. I said I was voting you "for now". That's not a last-minute vote.

I'm not going to say the things that should convince you I'm Civ. You should already be convinced. Do what you will. I'll vote someone who is not me.

[Epignosis]

Mac, you really were that good.

Go ahead and vote me. I didn't mess up any times, Epi. I said I was voting you "for now". That's not a last-minute vote.

I'm not going to say the things that should convince you I'm Civ. You should already be convinced. Do what you will. I'll vote someone who is not me.

Why should I be convinced?

[DFaraday]

Neat, 2v4. LC and DF are the remaining baddoes and votes are final.

Mislynch causes a 2v2... Is that game over or a 50/50?

You've been saying I'm baddie all game. Why?

[thellama73]

Neat, 2v4. LC and DF are the remaining baddoes and votes are final.

Mislynch causes a 2v2... Is that game over or a 50/50?

You've been saying I'm baddie all game. Why?

I would like an answer to this as well.

[Long Con]

Mac, you really were that good.

Go ahead and vote me. I didn't mess up any times, Epi. I said I was voting you "for now". That's not a last-minute vote.

I'm not going to say the things that should convince you I'm Civ. You should already be convinced. Do what you will. I'll vote someone who is not me.

Why should I be convinced?

Because I'm so good lookin'.

[Epignosis]

Mac, you really were that good.

Go ahead and vote me. I didn't mess up any times, Epi. I said I was voting you "for now". That's not a last-minute vote.

I'm not going to say the things that should convince you I'm Civ. You should already be convinced. Do what you will. I'll vote someone who is not me.

Why should I be convinced?

Because I'm so good lookin'.

That isn't helpful.

[Long Con]

Mac, you really were that good.

Go ahead and vote me. I didn't mess up any times, Epi. I said I was voting you "for now". That's not a last-minute vote.

I'm not going to say the things that should convince you I'm Civ. You should already be convinced. Do what you will. I'll vote someone who is not me.

Why should I be convinced?

Because I'm so good lookin'.

That isn't helpful.

Two options:

a) you're bad, you dropped the Eloh thing forever, great job, go on and win. Vote me now, they'll follow you.

b) I told you to drop the Long Con suspicion.

These are the seriously fucking true only options available to you. Read them and know them. I don't have a defense for you. I have sucked ass all game and I already apologized for it. You can win or lose now, I can't help you.

'Cause, you know, that "time forgetting" thing you are saying about me now is so good. Damn, I almost had a BRILLIANT baddie plan but I forgot what day it was! No.

[thellama73]

I'd like to discuss Wilgy as an option for today. He's been quietly smug the last few rounds, with his comments like "oh a tie, neat." and so forth. No one has really been looking at him, and I wonder if he hasn't started to get quite confident in his chances. I'll be doing a thorough reread of him before voting.

[DFaraday]

I'd like to discuss Wilgy as an option for today. He's been quietly smug the last few rounds, with his comments like "oh a tie, neat." and so forth. No one has really been looking at him, and I wonder if he hasn't started to get quite confident in his chances. I'll be doing a thorough reread of him before voting.

A quick glance over his voting records shows that he didn't vote for Jack at any point. But what I thought was interesting was that on Day 3 he didn't vote for me even though Wilgy voted at a time when another vote on me and a little more pressure could have swung the lynch away from Jack once again. Maybe he didn't want to look like he was saving a teammate.

[Epignosis]

Mac, you really were that good.

Go ahead and vote me. I didn't mess up any times, Epi. I said I was voting you "for now". That's not a last-minute vote.

I'm not going to say the things that should convince you I'm Civ. You should already be convinced. Do what you will. I'll vote someone who is not me.

Why should I be convinced?

Because I'm so good lookin'.

That isn't helpful.

Two options:

a) you're bad, you dropped the Eloh thing forever, great job, go on and win. Vote me now, they'll follow you.

b) I told you to drop the Long Con suspicion.

These are the seriously fucking true only options available to you. Read them and know them. I don't have a defense for you. I have sucked ass all game and I already apologized for it. You can win or lose now, I can't help you.

'Cause, you know, that "time forgetting" thing you are saying about me now is so good. Damn, I almost had a BRILLIANT baddie plan but I forgot what day it was! No.

No sir.

"You should already be convinced" means there is evidence in your favor that I am overlooking. What is it?

I'm not playing your games. If you are good, explain why. Don't give me "You're bad" or "I told you to drop the Long Con suspicion."

[Long Con]

No.

[DrWilgy]

I'd like to discuss Wilgy as an option for today. He's been quietly smug the last few rounds, with his comments like "oh a tie, neat." and so forth. No one has really been looking at him, and I wonder if he hasn't started to get quite confident in his chances. I'll be doing a thorough reread of him before voting.

A quick glance over his voting records shows that he didn't vote for Jack at any point. But what I thought was interesting was that on Day 3 he didn't vote for me even though Wilgy voted at a time when another vote on me and a little more pressure could have swung the lynch away from Jack once again. Maybe he didn't want to look like he was saving a teammate.

Lol, didn't want to look like I was saving an outed teammate?

[Epignosis]

As of right now, LC is getting my vote.

I could vote anybody, however.

[DrWilgy]

Neat, 2v4. LC and DF are the remaining baddoes and votes are final.

Mislynch causes a 2v2... Is that game over or a 50/50?

You've been saying I'm baddie all game. Why?

Kay, day 1 we have a light dissuasion for Scotty calling out JoH.

Everyone's checked in, so...ima thinking one of the low posters is definitely bad.

Jackofhearts, I see you.

Wouldn't almost everyone qualify as low posters at this point?

Day 2 he enters the thread after catching up woth no thoughts other than flimsy-waver commentary.

Finally caught up. Good result, all! RIP Elo.

I agree that there's no rush to lynch Jack, we just need to be careful about how close lynches are or he could tip the scales. Then again, I doubt he'd use that to save a teammate, but rather frame a civ.

To Sawyer: I have no suspicion of you. I randomized from everybody besides myself and it was you. That's all.

Votes Jack out of self defence and not the fact that he's an outed baddie. Interesting that he would choose to vote for Jack on self defence in spite of his comment regarding keeping him alive. I'd think that "I'm vpting for jack because he's bad" or "I'm voting for jack to get rid of his manipulation" would've been what a civ would say, but he doesn't say either of these.

Anyway, I'm voting Jack right now for self-preservation.

Day 3, this one is a personal qualm but how does df know I'm civ when he was wrong about Mac, Fz, SVS?

I'm putting a vote on Jack for now. I'm not liking how Wilgy has three votes right now, for what seem to be three different reasons. Llama for the visual, but also a little because he didn't like Wilgy's SVS vote. Epi because he finds Wilgy's case against him forced and fabricated. LC because he doesn't like how jokey Wilgy is playing?

For the record, I don't agree with Wilgy's assessment of Epi, but I can see how a civ could come to that conclusion.

Day 5, DF literally feels bad on everyone he comments on except Llama IF his bad feeling of Sawyer is correct. Also note that he specifically went out of the way to call himself vanilla. A vanilla doesn't do that, he's either a power role or mafia but w/e not going into role outing.

I want to know the following from everybody:

1. Where you stand on notsawyer and why.
I'm leaning bad on Notsawyer because he is tunneling Epi, forcing the facts to fit his suspicion (ie., blaming Epi alone for SVS's lynch), and cites Epi's lack of caught baddies despite the fact that Notsawyer is hardly looking at anyone but Epi, and so has also caught no baddies.

2. Where you stand on Marmot and why.
Rereading his posts, I'm finding him to be pretty inconsistent. First he cites some mild suspicion, decides to vote her over Jack, then the next day says that he's glad everyone is "seeing sense" and voting Jack, despite making a case on Epi and continually pushing it throughout that phase. I'm leaning bad towards MM, but not as much as I am Notsawyer.

3. Where you stand on Floyd and why.
The lack of a kill could indicate that the remaining baddies are uninvolved, which would implicate Floyd more than anyone (and me next, I'm aware). I'm slightly leaning bad on Floyd.

4. Where you stand on DFaraday and why.
Vanilla Civvie all the way.

5. Where you stand on Quin and why.
I don't really recall Quin's activity this game. I'll need to look into him.

6. Where you stand on thellama73 and why.
If I'm right about Notsawyer being bad, it's unlikely Llama also is given the timing of his vote for Notsawyer on Day 1, when the lynch could still have gone that way. His Jack suspicion was also consistent and felt genuine. Leaning civ.

7. Where you stand on Long Con and why.
LC hasn't felt entirely involved in this game, like he's trying to keep out of the limelight. I don't have suspicions of him per se, but I don't really feel civ about him.

You get the idea. If I left you out, it wasn't personal.

Start talking. Tell me why you're good. Tell me why others are bad. Go.

Nvm, Epi is also civ, but this is at the time when several other suspect him so cred hunting?

I would be fine with either Notsawyer or MM, but it seems like it's going to be between Epi and MM, and I see the case on MM, whereas I'm reading Epi as civ.

And this is why we should vote DF, according to him everyone is bad except the people that shouldn't be able to be read (i.e. me because I'm dicking around almost 80% of this game). He's buddies with JoH. Also note that LC saved DF yestersay sooo...

[notsawyer540]

Forgive me for any typos, for I've just reunited with some Army buddies and I'm quite inebriated.

Current breakdown:

LC: I've had a civ read of him the entire game. Perhaps I'm mistaken and perhaps he's pulled a ruse on me, but he still strikes me as civ. The mistaken day thing is extremely disconcerting, and it'll factor heavily into my vote, but it won't DECIDE my vote.

Wilgy: Avoiding the Jack vote and generally being under my radar is disquieting. However, the "neat" comments don't strike me as something a baddier would do. If I were a baddie, I wouldn't comment "cool" when things happened. But that could be WIFOM. We've been pretty bad about catching the baddies this time, and Wilgy's been under my radar the whole time.

Epi: Defendended me two days ago after I attacked him and saved my life. I appreciate that, but it doesn't disqualify him from suspicion. He's brought up the Eloh thing quite a bit--almost too much. He helped us lynch the serial killer and a civ before saving me from a civ vs. civ lynch. I don't see a benefit from choosing one civ over another in a lynch lest it's a very clever ploy to make yourself seem civ.

llama: Still think he was piggybacking on Quin's idea that I made some sort of slip up on day 1, but he claims otherwise. He's given no other reason other than I was "equivocating." He's attacked me and questioned me repeatedly and unequally compared to other people. I think he's been trying to set me up for a lynch.

Dfaraday: Been one of the vote leaders for a while. He was the first person to flinch yesterday when LC evened out the votes iirc. He's been against me for a while; even when Epi changed his tune. I have a hard time seeing him bad due to his consistency, but I also have a hard time seeing him good seeing his lack of explanation for his votes. Lest I've missed it, I haven't seen much of an explanation of his suspicion of me other than "party line."

DF or Wilgy will likely get my vote. Despite my read on him, I'm not against voting for LC because of the wrong day thing. What discomforts me is not that part, but the part the next day where he evened up the votes between four people and said he was waiting to see who would flinch. Seems to me DF may be guilty because he was the first to flinch, LC may be guilty becuase he was trying to gain civ points by seeing who would, or they both are by setting up a way to subtly clear one or the other.

I'd sooner lynch DF.

[Long Con]

LC: I've had a civ read of him the entire game. Perhaps I'm mistaken and perhaps he's pulled a ruse on me, but he still strikes me as civ. The mistaken day thing is extremely disconcerting, and it'll factor heavily into my vote, but it won't DECIDE my vote.

There is no "mistaken day thing". That didn't happen.

DF or Wilgy will likely get my vote. Despite my read on him, I'm not against voting for LC because of the wrong day thing. What discomforts me is not that part, but the part the next day where he evened up the votes between four people and said he was waiting to see who would flinch. Seems to me DF may be guilty because he was the first to flinch, LC may be guilty becuase he was trying to gain civ points by seeing who would, or they both are by setting up a way to subtly clear one or the other.

Evening up the votes is a baddie thing now? I thought we might see some real shit in a situation like that. Guess I'm just a baddie and I was wrong about that idea.