The Syndicate

My options at the moment are LC, and then Kyle/Wilgy

Can anyone give me a reason to trust Wilgy?

@linki: thanks

when does the night end? I mean how many hours from now? I want to check if I'm in the right time zone

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sun Jan 21, 2018 4:01 pm

FZ. wrote: ↑Sun Jan 21, 2018 3:57 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sun Jan 21, 2018 3:47 pm

FZ. wrote: ↑Sun Jan 21, 2018 3:34 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sun Jan 21, 2018 3:25 pm Updated rainbow in response to Day 2 results:
Epignosis
Speedchuck
Macdougall
JaggedJimmyJay
nutella
Marmot
Dyslexicon
FZ.
Drwilgy
novaselinenever
Spacedavey
Kylemii
Long Con

I mostly agree with your list (obviously I'm higher in the green list), but can I ask what makes people suspicious of Daisy? I admit, there are a few pages I didn't read, but did something happen or is it just because she suspected you? Because that was her in her previous form, no?

Her treatment of LoRab, or lack thereof. Like I said in a previous post, every mention daisy makes of lorab is accompanied by a shrug.

I actually get that. Lorab was just a null to me. Maybe I missed some of Lorab's posts, but she just flew under the radar. There was nothing there. I completely relate to the shrug.

If it weren't for the LoRab lynch, Daisy would still be a top town read. But when looking over how each player handled the events of yesterday, and how LoRab treated them, Daisy sticks out as somebody who does not shine.
What do you think of kyle?

Maybe I need to go back and read Daisy and Lorab from last day, but I'm lazy right now.
Kyle, is down on my list at the moment because:
a. I'm running out of people to suspect. I think LC is bad and hope we lynch him next, but after that, I don't feel as sure about anybody.
b. His vote seems the safest for a baddie who might have been hoping to save LC, assuming LC is really bad as I think.
C. The first impression I got from him. Not sure this is something I should be trusting at this point, but unless someone makes me feel really good, I can't help but keep some amount of the suspicion

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sun Jan 21, 2018 3:47 pm

FZ. wrote: ↑Sun Jan 21, 2018 3:34 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sun Jan 21, 2018 3:25 pm Updated rainbow in response to Day 2 results:
Epignosis
Speedchuck
Macdougall
JaggedJimmyJay
nutella
Marmot
Dyslexicon
FZ.
Drwilgy
novaselinenever
Spacedavey
Kylemii
Long Con

I mostly agree with your list (obviously I'm higher in the green list), but can I ask what makes people suspicious of Daisy? I admit, there are a few pages I didn't read, but did something happen or is it just because she suspected you? Because that was her in her previous form, no?

Her treatment of LoRab, or lack thereof. Like I said in a previous post, every mention daisy makes of lorab is accompanied by a shrug.

I actually get that. Lorab was just a null to me. Maybe I missed some of Lorab's posts, but she just flew under the radar. There was nothing there. I completely relate to the shrug.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sun Jan 21, 2018 3:25 pm Updated rainbow in response to Day 2 results:
Epignosis
Speedchuck
Macdougall
JaggedJimmyJay
nutella
Marmot
Dyslexicon
FZ.
Drwilgy
novaselinenever
Spacedavey
Kylemii
Long Con

I mostly agree with your list (obviously I'm higher in the green list), but can I ask what makes people suspicious of Daisy? I admit, there are a few pages I didn't read, but did something happen or is it just because she suspected you? Because that was her in her previous form, no?

Ooh, great result!!
I still think LC is bad and the fact that he voted Lorab does nothing for me. I hope it doesn't sway other people from him. He voted Lorab to save himself. She wasn't even saying much, so from a baddie's point of view, it's better to lose her than him, and look good in the process.

I'll catch up more when I get home.

I'm going to leave it on LC. I'll give you the BOTD another day. I'm going to bed. I'd like people to tell me what kind of player LC is when he's a civ, at least from their point of view,

Good night...

@linki: curse seems like a weak power to have with only 3 mafia. I fear it's going to be something worse

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Sat Jan 20, 2018 7:10 pm Hi hi hi. Quick post, and this will be the only post I post today for reasons.

@Speed - Only cause your "blah bla Dizzy" was the only thing I half read: Gurl. I have not been able to be around consistently in thread and interact with players over longer periods which I like to do and normally am able to do. You've played with me as both scum and town. You town read me when I was scum cause I was so much alike the usual Dizzy. So me being "different" is purely me not having the time to devote all my love to the game. That is fact. Phenon is my first game here a long time ago. You even have more meta if that's so important. Talking about gifs is lol. I can promise you one thing and that is when I do have a specific team with known teammates I am 580% more tryhard cause I absolutely hate to disappoint. That is why my Mafia win rate is ridiculous. Get over it. I'm not the lynch town is looking for.

I would watch any turn on me particularly close.

Right now I'm going to vote JJJ, this is purely on intution and I didn't like his attitude on Epig.

I also do not think that Epig is mafia.

In this game there are a lot of roles. Since we can't information dump or claim I find it particularly important that we don't discuss the mights and maybe's of things - this is importnat. I want to be listened to (which is my biggest frustration not having enough time to devote to the game.) Let everything be, but if you're town you do well to keep all possibilities in mind WITHOUT airing them in thread. Very important.

So I'm persuing a lynch on JJJ personally. But honestly, I've hardly skimmed. I will be able to catch up and post come night time. I've been working, pouring milk all over my body all day (yeah that's my work). Even if I go for this I also see valid options in Lorab and NVN (for being a total non-contributer) also. Take it for what it's worth.

I have nothing else and will give nothing else. Anyone who wants to vote me should state reasons clearly and ISO me first, and tell me I'm not trying from a town point of view. They should also have good reason why they're voting me specifically over any other "low contributer". And I'm never inactive when I can post.

I don't think I understand why you're voting JJJ.
I don't understand your notion of not discussing things in the thread. I think we can all think of the possibilities, and so can the baddies, sometimes even better than us, so throwing ideas out there will not point fingers in anyone's direction. I don't know what to make of this post. I'm trying to figure out if this is genuine or you're trying to look like you have some important role that you're afraid will be put out there if we discuss things. Since I don't see how that can happen, I'm finding this not genuine at the moment. I'm still debating whether to change my vote to you or not

How much time do we have until deadline? I think maybe my time is off

People I'm not willing to vote for today:
Mac, Nutella, Speedchuck, Sloonei, Daisy, Mac and JJJ, though where did the latter disappear to?

People I wouldn't mind voting for:
LC, by far more than others, Dyslexicon, Marmot (though less than the others).

Others, I haven't really formed an opinion on or am still debating my stance

LC's suspicion of Speedchuck makes me even more suspicious of him. Anyone want's to consider an LC vote before I go to bed and can't change my vote?

In the meantime, I'll vote LC, because he's my biggest suspect at the moment.

Long Con wrote: ↑Sat Jan 20, 2018 4:15 pm

FZ. wrote: ↑Sat Jan 20, 2018 4:04 pm A. I stated both that you are asking for clarifications and that you are explaining other people. Go read. I need to prove something that you don't do? How can I do that if you don't do it? It's not there...

Ok, look at it from my perspective. I'm Civ, I'm trying to understand Epi's case on you. I ask what he means by hedging. You accuse me of being bad because I don't ask people to clarify themselves when I'm Civ. To me, this sounds like a real bullshit reason to suspect me, because I ask people to clarify themselves when I need clarification. It's not based on my alignment. If all I had been doing all game was asking clarification questions, then ok, that's a little unusual. But you're calling me out here for ONE QUESTION. Sometimes I need clarification, and it's not because I'm playing it off my alignment.

I'm not delving into a big LC ISO because of your weak accusation. I don't have the time. I've spent hours today already just getting caught up in MK and playing here. Not happening.

B. I was agreeing with JJJ that he may be bad. He felt ungenuine at the time, and I could see him trying to take him out via lynch because he's too proud to NK him, like JJJ suggested.

That's equally vague as your original statement Epi quoted. You haven't clarified anything. Maybe an actual quote from Epi that you found particularly ungenuine would at least be a start.

Another example for what I don't expect civvie LC to say: "Look at it from my perspective".
I'm sorry, I just think civvie LC wouldn't be so civilized about something he thought was bullshit.
Am I the only one who thinks this is not LC's MO when a civ. It just feels completely off. Don't delve into a big ISO. Like I said, I'm a tone person. It's what I'm feeling from you. At the moment, you're not helping me feel better about you. It's not like I'm asking you to start being rude from now on, but it seems like you care about how you're viewed more than you usually do.

As for the quote you want,I think there were several, because there was a back and forth between JJJ and Epi. I will have to leave soon so I'm not sure I want to waste so much time on it, even more so, because I don't believe in him being bad any more. If that's what will make people decide between voting for me or not, I'll make the effort. If not, i think it's a waste of time

FZ. wrote: ↑Sat Jan 20, 2018 4:04 pm A. I stated both that you are asking for clarifications and that you are explaining other people. Go read. I need to prove something that you don't do? How can I do that if you don't do it? It's not there...

B. I was agreeing with JJJ that he may be bad. He felt ungenuine at the time, and I could see him trying to take him out via lynch because he's too proud to NK him, like JJJ suggested.

This was in reply to LC. I didn't want to quote that huge post again

Epignosis wrote: ↑Sat Jan 20, 2018 4:01 pm

nutella wrote: ↑Sat Jan 20, 2018 3:45 pm I like Epi's case on FZ. Personally, I tend to hedge a lot, because I'm often uncertain/indecisive, but the things he called out in her post are questionable. I don't know why Epi just changed his vote to Dizzy though. Epi, were you voting for FZ when you posted that case and did you like her last couple posts?

I'm liking her a bit more now after her last couple posts. Looking more town. But I think she's still a compatible teammate for my sloonei/jay tinfoil scenario. Tinfoil Scenario would be a great name for a jam band.

FZ.'s overall response was not what I was expecting from mafia.

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Thu Jan 18, 2018 7:34 pm
I'm way more interested in players like FZ, Robar, the ever random Wilgy and the ever endearing Marmot. And then there are a couple of players that I don't remember posts from or they haven't been game relevant enough to stick.

Vote FZ

I don't find any reason to feel good about their posts. A bit on the side and meh. I guess this may count as a gut read, but it's where I'm at now.

Speed and Nut as town, Kyle as probably town, Slooneiiiiii let me hold on for a bit, Epic could be town, JJJ more null but ugh, don't remember anything else.

Dyslexicon gave a list of people who had very little chance of getting lynched at the time. FZ., Robar (whodatis), Wilgy, and Marmot. This was all so "Let me get out of the way," and that she did nothing to show why other people should be interested in FZ., Robar (whodatis), Wilgy, or Marmot gives me the impression that she's not really interested herself.

Capping this off is another list that is puzzling to me.

I don't know why speedchuck and nutella get the green light here, but okay. What concerns me is this:

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Thu Jan 18, 2018 7:34 pm
Kyle as probably town, Slooneiiiiii let me hold on for a bit

I would think one's opinion of Kyle at that stage would have to have something to do with Sloonei. I might be less alarmed if she had brushed off the opening confrontation as "civilian/civilian," but this is "Kyle is probably good (why?), but no comment yet on Sloonei."

If Dyslexicon is bad and Kyle good, I could easily see her defending the person with the potential to be lynched and come out good, and hold off her "view" of Sloonei (who I personally feel is good)

A. I stated both that you are asking for clarifications and that you are explaining other people. Go read. I need to prove something that you don't do? How can I do that if you don't do it? It's not there...

B. I was agreeing with JJJ that he may be bad. He felt ungenuine at the time, and I could see him trying to take him out via lynch because he's too proud to NK him, like JJJ suggested.

Long Con wrote: ↑Sat Jan 20, 2018 3:38 pm

FZ. wrote: ↑Sat Jan 20, 2018 3:24 pm Damn, just wrote a post and it got deleted.
First, I find it almost impossible to catch up, so please bare with me. I'm really busy, and probably shouldn't have come back from the break, but that's what I did, and I'm trying to keep up.

I skimmed and read on and off, and I'm still a couple of pages behind, but here are a few of my impressions since I last left after my vote for Epi.

First, I really can't decide regarding Kyle. On the one hand, there's my first impression which made me seriously pinged. But there are posts where the tone feels very genuine to me, and he seems like he's upset from a civvie point of view. On the other hand, I value Sloonei's opinion, and although I've played only very few games with him, I think he's a very methodical player, and often gets the job done. He feels a little obsessed about Kyle, but it feels real to me. Not sure I agree, but it's something to think about.

I think I've changed my mind regarding Epi. I'm glad people didn't follow, and that he didn't end up getting lynched. His posts after I left felt much more like what I expect from civvie Epi.

Still feel very good about JJJ. I've seen nothing from him that makes me think he's bad.
Same goes for Sloonei. I actually like that he's asking people not to catch up. I do that sometimes as well, because the best way to catch a mafia is to interact with them live, so it makes me feel good about him.
Still, Sloonei, I have to say, that when I don't catch up I feel like I have no idea what's going on, so I guess it has to be a mixture.

Mac is a question mark. At some points he feels like the person I trust the most, but then I'm reminded a game I've played with him (can't remember
which), where he was bad and got everyone to trust him. So I'm keeping this at the back of my mind, just to remind me never to fully trust him. For now, he's high on my trusted list.

LC is one of my new top suspects. His game style feels like something I've seen lots of mafia do. He's asking clarification questions. It's something LC doesn't normally do.

That is not a true statement. You are inventing that about me.

For example:

Long Con wrote: ↑Sat Jan 20, 2018 12:39 pm
When you speak of hedging... is that like a general wishy-washiness, leaving both sides open, kind of thing?

Here is another example:

Long Con wrote: ↑Sat Jan 20, 2018 1:23 pm

Epignosis wrote: ↑Sat Jan 20, 2018 12:32 pm So, first of all, FZ.

I want to talk about this post.

FZ. wrote: ↑Thu Jan 18, 2018 6:06 pm

Kylemii wrote: ↑Thu Jan 18, 2018 5:56 pm Daisy, Dave, Dizzy, FZ, NVN, I have almost no impression at all of any of these players yet

I'm here, I'm trying to catch up but it's not working for me very well.
I'm on page 8 so things can change. At the moment, I find myself agreeing with JJJ on Epi. Something there feels not genuine. I haven't played for a while, but I think civ Epi is more careful, and what he's doing now, is acting like he's going full force after what he believes. Sloonei said he wouldn't be this blunt on day 1, but if people are going to say that, then Epi has no problem acting just like that.

Kyle is really defending himself and making sense, so I do feel better about him. That being said, I like to trust my initial instincts, and even though no one seemed to agree with me, the post I talked about did feel to me like a frustrated baddie who doesn't like the civvies' powers.

"I find myself" is a hedge phrase. Moreover, with what exactly does FZ. agree? Instead of being specific, she says something there feels not genuine. What is this something? This statement baffles me. Not because of whether it's a correct perception or not, but because of what she accuses me of doing now: Acting like I'm going full force after what I believe. If I am bad, then I don't truly believe in what I'm saying. In FZ.'s mind, how can I be bad if I'm going full force after what I (genuinely) believe? This sentence is supposed to buttress FZ.'s previous commentary about me, but it weakens it: Was my perceived bluntness (i.e., going full-force after what I believe) the product of me drawing a mafia role, which is what the blue statement implies, or was it a product of what I believed other people would say about me?

And this is where FZ. gives herself the luxury of voting Kylemii or defending Kylemii- whichever suits her purpose.

There's so much hedge in this post, I could block the neighbors' view of the roof.

I'm on page 8 so things can change. At the moment, I find myself agreeing with JJJ on Epi

I feel like this all could have been yellow, from the start. "Things can change" "At the moment"... are those not equally hedgey? FZ. certainly is laying down some tentative stuff here, it's important for her to make it clear she's not committing.

But you ask what she's agreeing with - I read it as she's agreeing with Jay that your posts aren't genuine. You criticize the way she doesn't go into specifics, which is reasonable... FZ., would you like to clarify?

The blue part is some classic Epi bizarro-logic to me. She said you are acting like you're going after what you believe. That doesn't imply that you genuinely believe... those beliefs. Just that you are bad and putting on an act as though you genuinely hold the beliefs. Contrasted to her projected Civ Epi, who is unlikely to commit strongly to those beliefs at all.

And the red part... a false dichotomy. "the product of me drawing a mafia role" and "a product of what I believed other people would say about me" are the same side of the same coin.

It is because you drew a mafia role that you chose to analyze what you believed other people would say about you.

First of all, he's sort of defending/explaining me. Civvie LC doesn't do that.

How is this "first of all" when it follows your previous points? Never mind.

"Civvie LC doesn't do that" is the second time this post that you are making something up about me.

He let's people defend themselves or explain themselves. Again, he's asking for clarifications, which I don't remember him doing.
He's acting too nice, I can't explain it, but all his recent posts ping me like crazy.

Instead of criticizing that I agree with Epi that your comments about him and JJJ need clarifying, why don't you just clarify them?

Saying I'm making things up doesn't make it true. Prove that I'm making things up. Do you find yourself explaining other people often? I don't remember you ever doing that. Sorry if I'm wrong, but that's the truth. You let people brew in their own juice.
Give an example where you acted liked this as a civvie.

As for what I need to clear up, I'm not even sure what I'm being accused of, but I've stated why I accused Epi, and the part where I leave the options open for me to choose where to go later, is just me being unsure of things and stating where I'm at. Would people rather I don't speak at all until I'm sure about something? I will barely be posting...

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sat Jan 20, 2018 3:02 pm We had no nightkill last night, but nobody is talking about things that might have caused that. I have trouble identifying a clear-cut consensus town read, so a doctor save on Night 1 would be incredible but not impossible. What other roles are there that could have stopped a kill from going through?

How about :
Perchik is a revolutionary, wanting to usher in a new era to Russia. It didn't pan out so well. To shake things up, he will redirect a player every night.

If that's the case, it means Perchik got the Constable, no?

@linki: What's LMS?

Like I said, I rely greatly on tone. Sometimes, it works and sometimes it doesn't. The comment on Kyle was because I've seen many frustrated baddies let their frustration of what they viewed as an advantage for the civvies, slip out in a "sublimated" way.
My suspicion of Epi stemmed from his gung ho attitude straight from the get go, and a feeling that he could do that thinking people would say he wouldn't dare do that. My opinion has changed. I'm not saying he's a definite civvie, but his actions lately, even his suspicion of me makes me feel a lot better about him

To answer your question Sloonei, Epi's wrong, but I think that's just what he is, not bad. LC on the other hand, is looking much worse to me, as explained in the previous post

Damn, just wrote a post and it got deleted.
First, I find it almost impossible to catch up, so please bare with me. I'm really busy, and probably shouldn't have come back from the break, but that's what I did, and I'm trying to keep up.

I skimmed and read on and off, and I'm still a couple of pages behind, but here are a few of my impressions since I last left after my vote for Epi.

First, I really can't decide regarding Kyle. On the one hand, there's my first impression which made me seriously pinged. But there are posts where the tone feels very genuine to me, and he seems like he's upset from a civvie point of view. On the other hand, I value Sloonei's opinion, and although I've played only very few games with him, I think he's a very methodical player, and often gets the job done. He feels a little obsessed about Kyle, but it feels real to me. Not sure I agree, but it's something to think about.

I think I've changed my mind regarding Epi. I'm glad people didn't follow, and that he didn't end up getting lynched. His posts after I left felt much more like what I expect from civvie Epi.

Still feel very good about JJJ. I've seen nothing from him that makes me think he's bad.
Same goes for Sloonei. I actually like that he's asking people not to catch up. I do that sometimes as well, because the best way to catch a mafia is to interact with them live, so it makes me feel good about him.
Still, Sloonei, I have to say, that when I don't catch up I feel like I have no idea what's going on, so I guess it has to be a mixture.

Mac is a question mark. At some points he feels like the person I trust the most, but then I'm reminded a game I've played with him (can't remember
which), where he was bad and got everyone to trust him. So I'm keeping this at the back of my mind, just to remind me never to fully trust him. For now, he's high on my trusted list.

LC is one of my new top suspects. His game style feels like something I've seen lots of mafia do. He's asking clarification questions. It's something LC doesn't normally do. For example:

Long Con wrote: ↑Sat Jan 20, 2018 12:39 pm
When you speak of hedging... is that like a general wishy-washiness, leaving both sides open, kind of thing?

Here is another example:

Long Con wrote: ↑Sat Jan 20, 2018 1:23 pm

Epignosis wrote: ↑Sat Jan 20, 2018 12:32 pm So, first of all, FZ.

I want to talk about this post.

FZ. wrote: ↑Thu Jan 18, 2018 6:06 pm

Kylemii wrote: ↑Thu Jan 18, 2018 5:56 pm Daisy, Dave, Dizzy, FZ, NVN, I have almost no impression at all of any of these players yet

I'm here, I'm trying to catch up but it's not working for me very well.
I'm on page 8 so things can change. At the moment, I find myself agreeing with JJJ on Epi. Something there feels not genuine. I haven't played for a while, but I think civ Epi is more careful, and what he's doing now, is acting like he's going full force after what he believes. Sloonei said he wouldn't be this blunt on day 1, but if people are going to say that, then Epi has no problem acting just like that.

Kyle is really defending himself and making sense, so I do feel better about him. That being said, I like to trust my initial instincts, and even though no one seemed to agree with me, the post I talked about did feel to me like a frustrated baddie who doesn't like the civvies' powers.

"I find myself" is a hedge phrase. Moreover, with what exactly does FZ. agree? Instead of being specific, she says something there feels not genuine. What is this something? This statement baffles me. Not because of whether it's a correct perception or not, but because of what she accuses me of doing now: Acting like I'm going full force after what I believe. If I am bad, then I don't truly believe in what I'm saying. In FZ.'s mind, how can I be bad if I'm going full force after what I (genuinely) believe? This sentence is supposed to buttress FZ.'s previous commentary about me, but it weakens it: Was my perceived bluntness (i.e., going full-force after what I believe) the product of me drawing a mafia role, which is what the blue statement implies, or was it a product of what I believed other people would say about me?

And this is where FZ. gives herself the luxury of voting Kylemii or defending Kylemii- whichever suits her purpose.

There's so much hedge in this post, I could block the neighbors' view of the roof.

I'm on page 8 so things can change. At the moment, I find myself agreeing with JJJ on Epi

I feel like this all could have been yellow, from the start. "Things can change" "At the moment"... are those not equally hedgey? FZ. certainly is laying down some tentative stuff here, it's important for her to make it clear she's not committing.

But you ask what she's agreeing with - I read it as she's agreeing with Jay that your posts aren't genuine. You criticize the way she doesn't go into specifics, which is reasonable... FZ., would you like to clarify?

The blue part is some classic Epi bizarro-logic to me. She said you are acting like you're going after what you believe. That doesn't imply that you genuinely believe... those beliefs. Just that you are bad and putting on an act as though you genuinely hold the beliefs. Contrasted to her projected Civ Epi, who is unlikely to commit strongly to those beliefs at all.

And the red part... a false dichotomy. "the product of me drawing a mafia role" and "a product of what I believed other people would say about me" are the same side of the same coin.

It is because you drew a mafia role that you chose to analyze what you believed other people would say about you.

First of all, he's sort of defending/explaining me. Civvie LC doesn't do that. He let's people defend themselves or explain themselves. Again, he's asking for clarifications, which I don't remember him doing.
He's acting too nice, I can't explain it, but all his recent posts ping me like crazy.

I'll cut this post because it's way too long and continue in a following one

I'm going to sleep.
Not sure I like Marmot's vote there, though I admit there are some pages I didn't read. The days are way too short for me

MacDougall wrote: ↑Thu Jan 18, 2018 6:39 pm

FZ. wrote: ↑Thu Jan 18, 2018 6:37 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Thu Jan 18, 2018 6:33 pm

FZ. wrote: ↑Thu Jan 18, 2018 6:23 pm Mac, why are you so trusting of Epig?

That's better.

I forgot how helpful you could be

I don't trust him.

So why did you put him in green in your rainbow?

MacDougall wrote: ↑Thu Jan 18, 2018 6:33 pm

FZ. wrote: ↑Thu Jan 18, 2018 6:23 pm Mac, why are you so trusting of Epig?

That's better.

I forgot how helpful you could be

Sloonei, can you sum up why you think Kyle is bad?

Voted Epig for now

Mac, why are you so trusting of Epig?

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu Jan 18, 2018 6:10 pm

FZ. wrote: ↑Thu Jan 18, 2018 6:08 pm Why did Nutella get 2 votes?

Did wilgy actually post something with content?

speedchuck wrote: ↑Thu Jan 18, 2018 4:21 pm

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Thu Jan 18, 2018 4:15 pm

speedchuck wrote: ↑Thu Jan 18, 2018 4:02 pm Agreed here. I think Nutella is being opportunistic.

What sold you on this one?

nutella wrote: ↑Thu Jan 18, 2018 3:53 pm 1. OK, I've been on Jay's side pretty much throughout this Epi bullshit, 2. and the comparisons to RvB and WTNV, as well as Epi apparently being afraid to lynch Jay, seal it for me. 3. I'm voting for Epi. 4. There's a sea of wifom here but basically 5. I don't think he should be acting like this even if it's to provoke reactions such as mine.

1. Citation needed. Nutella hasn't commented anything committal to the subject until now, when it's winding down
2. citing arguments that aren't hers to pad her post, ignoring any counters. Also, WTNV was an argument for town epi. Nut doesn't care.
3. The vote.
4. Disclaimer for when she's wrong
5. Very weakly-stated opinion that is not phrased as being alignment related and puts the blame on Epi for her voting him.

Tell me your feelings, FZ.

It doesn't really feel bad to me. I rely more on tone, and her tone feels genuine.
Let me ask you or anyone familiar with baddie Nutella, is she the kind to follow others and bandwagon?

I for one really like, especially in the early stages, to bring my own suspects forward when I'm bad so people don't start accusing me of bandwagoning. I feel like when a person has no problem just stating they agree with someone, that it can easily be what they really think.

Why did Nutella get 2 votes?

Did wilgy actually post something with content?

Kylemii wrote: ↑Thu Jan 18, 2018 5:56 pm Daisy, Dave, Dizzy, FZ, NVN, I have almost no impression at all of any of these players yet

I'm here, I'm trying to catch up but it's not working for me very well.
I'm on page 8 so things can change. At the moment, I find myself agreeing with JJJ on Epi. Something there feels not genuine. I haven't played for a while, but I think civ Epi is more careful, and what he's doing now, is acting like he's going full force after what he believes. Sloonei said he wouldn't be this blunt on day 1, but if people are going to say that, then Epi has no problem acting just like that.

Kyle is really defending himself and making sense, so I do feel better about him. That being said, I like to trust my initial instincts, and even though no one seemed to agree with me, the post I talked about did feel to me like a frustrated baddie who doesn't like the civvies' powers.

speedchuck wrote: ↑Wed Jan 17, 2018 6:20 pm Three scumreads on Kylemii, all for different reasons. If Jay is being serious. That's crazy.

And nobody in the thread is trying to defend him. Also crazy.

I put scum Kylemii at like... idk, 60% odds?

LC/Kyle not w/w.
FZ./Kyle not w/w.

Why do you put him as 60% baddie? Do you have your own reasons or do you just agree in general with all three of us?

Kylemii wrote: ↑Wed Jan 17, 2018 6:20 pm we've never played before, I don't think.

I like analyzing game mechanics. there's some good role synergies we can use to our advantage in this game to gain the upper hand

Fair enough. I just think that when baddies feel the game is not balanced or the civvies have more power, they let it slip out somehow. It's like they can't control their frustration. It felt like that a little, but it's just an observation. We'll see.

Speedchuck, can you explain what w/w is?

Epignosis wrote: ↑Wed Jan 17, 2018 2:34 pm

Kylemii wrote: ↑Wed Jan 17, 2018 2:07 pm I really don't think we're going to be starved for information in this game anyways, out of the gate we have a btsc cop, a role cop, a role blocker, and a doctor who can gain btsc with 1 of 3 different civ roles, one of which is the previously mentioned role cop, we also have a soapbox user and a mayor.

the number of roles we have that can stimulate the information economy seems pretty good.

Did I hear someone say, "information?"

Sorry, can you explain what you meant by that? Coming back from a long break, I'm going to be a little slow...

Hi, sorry for coming in late.
How's everyone doing?
I love Fiddler on the roof, but haven't seen it in years. Nice to play a game with that theme.

Kyle, have we ever played together?
I have to say, I read most posts up until the following one. Unlike JJJ, I found nothing wrong with Kyle, but then I read this post, and it felt like a frustrated baddie annoyed by what he perceives as too much civvie power, though he can't really say it, so it comes out in a different way, because, well, he can't help himself.

Kylemii wrote: ↑Wed Jan 17, 2018 2:07 pm I really don't think we're going to be starved for information in this game anyways, out of the gate we have a btsc cop, a role cop, a role blocker, and a doctor who can gain btsc with 1 of 3 different civ roles, one of which is the previously mentioned role cop, we also have a soapbox user and a mayor.

the number of roles we have that can stimulate the information economy seems pretty good.