Fiddler on the Roof Mafia

[MacDougall]

Insert Matt Berry screaming "father" mp4 but change father to Long Con.

[DrWilgy]

nutella voters, please tell me what you think of LoRab.

Lorab is someone I've wrongly accused more times than I can count. I think I've been right about her once. I have no opinion on her today. Nothing stands out.

What about meeeeeee?

You don't care about the roof.

Idk what that means.

[Sloonei]

Sloonei you feel very different this game to MK.

I do.

[FZ.]

Daisy, Dave, Dizzy, FZ, NVN, I have almost no impression at all of any of these players yet

I'm here, I'm trying to catch up but it's not working for me very well.
I'm on page 8 so things can change. At the moment, I find myself agreeing with JJJ on Epi. Something there feels not genuine. I haven't played for a while, but I think civ Epi is more careful, and what he's doing now, is acting like he's going full force after what he believes. Sloonei said he wouldn't be this blunt on day 1, but if people are going to say that, then Epi has no problem acting just like that.

Kyle is really defending himself and making sense, so I do feel better about him. That being said, I like to trust my initial instincts, and even though no one seemed to agree with me, the post I talked about did feel to me like a frustrated baddie who doesn't like the civvies' powers.

[MacDougall]

Gth Daisy and Dizzy are scum.

Why those two and not the other low-content folks?

Because I can't think of a single post from those other low content folks to even have a gut read.

[Sloonei]

Kyle, what color would I be on your rainbow?

yellow

I'm not interested in lynching you today, and I think my involvement in the events that i was basing my read on you may have caused a bias in my view.

Give me a gun-to-head read then.

sloonei what is the purpose of this question? I've already outlined my view on you. I thought you looked bad because of the way you climbed on to Jay's thing. I'm acknowledging that my view on you could have been tinted by a bias created by my sometimes overly defensive nature. Nothing's changed in your behavior to swing you back in either direction so that's why you're yellow, a gun to head read on you right now would be arbitrary.

You haven't committed to a stance on me at any point in this game. I want to see if you'll do that.

[MacDougall]

Daisy, Dave, Dizzy, FZ, NVN, I have almost no impression at all of any of these players yet

I'm here, I'm trying to catch up but it's not working for me very well.
I'm on page 8 so things can change. At the moment, I find myself agreeing with JJJ on Epi. Something there feels not genuine. I haven't played for a while, but I think civ Epi is more careful, and what he's doing now, is acting like he's going full force after what he believes. Sloonei said he wouldn't be this blunt on day 1, but if people are going to say that, then Epi has no problem acting just like that.

Kyle is really defending himself and making sense, so I do feel better about him. That being said, I like to trust my initial instincts, and even though no one seemed to agree with me, the post I talked about did feel to me like a frustrated baddie who doesn't like the civvies' powers.

No don't stop now. Kyle is bad and we should lynch him.

[FZ.]

Why did Nutella get 2 votes?

Did wilgy actually post something with content?

[MacDougall]

Why did Nutella get 2 votes?

Did wilgy actually post something with content?

Nutella made a post siding with Jay and Epi made a snap decision to vote for her which led to others following the ringleader including ironically for a time Jay but as they are want to do they have found another shiny object to chase meow.

Wilgy asked if we would like him to be scum.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Why did Nutella get 2 votes?

Did wilgy actually post something with content?

Agreed here. I think Nutella is being opportunistic.

What sold you on this one?

1. OK, I've been on Jay's side pretty much throughout this Epi bullshit, 2. and the comparisons to RvB and WTNV, as well as Epi apparently being afraid to lynch Jay, seal it for me. 3. I'm voting for Epi. 4. There's a sea of wifom here but basically 5. I don't think he should be acting like this even if it's to provoke reactions such as mine.

1. Citation needed. Nutella hasn't commented anything committal to the subject until now, when it's winding down
2. citing arguments that aren't hers to pad her post, ignoring any counters. Also, WTNV was an argument for town epi. Nut doesn't care.
3. The vote.
4. Disclaimer for when she's wrong
5. Very weakly-stated opinion that is not phrased as being alignment related and puts the blame on Epi for her voting him.

Tell me your feelings, FZ.

[Kylemii]

No don't stop now. Kyle is bad and we should lynch him.

I'm not and you shouldn't.

[MacDougall]

We should lynch Kyle everybody. Definitely. He is a mafia.

[Sloonei]

Daisy, Dave, Dizzy, FZ, NVN, I have almost no impression at all of any of these players yet

I'm here, I'm trying to catch up but it's not working for me very well.
I'm on page 8 so things can change. At the moment, I find myself agreeing with JJJ on Epi. Something there feels not genuine. I haven't played for a while, but I think civ Epi is more careful, and what he's doing now, is acting like he's going full force after what he believes. Sloonei said he wouldn't be this blunt on day 1, but if people are going to say that, then Epi has no problem acting just like that.

Kyle is really defending himself and making sense, so I do feel better about him. That being said, I like to trust my initial instincts, and even though no one seemed to agree with me, the post I talked about did feel to me like a frustrated baddie who doesn't like the civvies' powers.

Don't try to catch up

[JaggedJimmyJay]

We should lynch Kyle everybody. Definitely. He is a mafia.

ELI5

[Sloonei]

We should lynch Kyle everybody. Definitely. He is a mafia.

Why?

[MacDougall]

I can't iso so you'll just have to trust me.

[Kylemii]

You haven't committed to a stance on me at any point in this game. I want to see if you'll do that.

I am committing right now to the stance of "there's no point in me reading you until I've seen you do anything other than tunnel on me, so ask me later once you've done anything other than that and I will probably have a better answer"

[JaggedJimmyJay]

I can't iso so you'll just have to trust me.

Maybe describe it in a sentence. I don't need no stinkin' references.

[speedchuck]

Speedchuck in the interest of developing a read on you could you opine on the strangeways the Jay and Epi situation unfolded from the perspective of either being Mafia? It'll be fun.

I'm not around that much right now, so no. I could not.

Besides, I'm not on the poll, so you don't have to worry about me today.

linki: in Macdougall we trust
[mention]DrWilgy[/mention] if I followed Mac onto Kylemii would you follow me

linkilinkilinki I don't have time for this crap

[MacDougall]

We should lynch Kyle everybody. Definitely. He is a mafia.

Why?

You appear to not need convincing to vote for him so weird question there Sloonster. Tell me why you're voting for him and I will agree.

[MacDougall]

Speedchuck in the interest of developing a read on you could you opine on the strangeways the Jay and Epi situation unfolded from the perspective of either being Mafia? It'll be fun.

I'm not around that much right now, so no. I could not.

Besides, I'm not on the poll, so you don't have to worry about me today.

linki: in Macdougall we trust
@DrWilgy if I followed Mac onto Kylemii would you follow me

linkilinkilinki I don't have time for this crap

Can you make a post that says Jimmy is scum plz?

[speedchuck]

Jimmy is scum plz

[MacDougall]

I can't iso so you'll just have to trust me.

Maybe describe it in a sentence. I don't need no stinkin' references.

Hot cake moonlight pilgrim yoho diablo.

[MacDougall]

Jimmy is scum plz

So civ.

[Sloonei]

We should lynch Kyle everybody. Definitely. He is a mafia.

Why?

You appear to not need convincing to vote for him so weird question there Sloonster. Tell me why you're voting for him and I will agree.

You'll agree with anything I say? I think Kyle is a crab person here to corrupt all our lives through mafia games. The sooner we're rid of him, the sooner we can propser.

I asked you why because I wanted to know what motivated your comment.

[MacDougall]

We should lynch Kyle everybody. Definitely. He is a mafia.

Why?

You appear to not need convincing to vote for him so weird question there Sloonster. Tell me why you're voting for him and I will agree.

You'll agree with anything I say? I think Kyle is a crab person here to corrupt all our lives through mafia games. The sooner we're rid of him, the sooner we can propser.

I asked you why because I wanted to know what motivated your comment.

Compelling case. I agree.

[speedchuck]

Mac makes every game better oh my gosh

[MacDougall]

Speed
Mac
Wilgy
Epi
JJJ
Marmot
Sloonei
Dyslexicon
LC
Kylemii
FZ
Novaselinenever
Dave
Daisy
Lorab
Nutella

My rainbow

[FZ.]

Why did Nutella get 2 votes?

Did wilgy actually post something with content?

Agreed here. I think Nutella is being opportunistic.

What sold you on this one?

1. OK, I've been on Jay's side pretty much throughout this Epi bullshit, 2. and the comparisons to RvB and WTNV, as well as Epi apparently being afraid to lynch Jay, seal it for me. 3. I'm voting for Epi. 4. There's a sea of wifom here but basically 5. I don't think he should be acting like this even if it's to provoke reactions such as mine.

1. Citation needed. Nutella hasn't commented anything committal to the subject until now, when it's winding down
2. citing arguments that aren't hers to pad her post, ignoring any counters. Also, WTNV was an argument for town epi. Nut doesn't care.
3. The vote.
4. Disclaimer for when she's wrong
5. Very weakly-stated opinion that is not phrased as being alignment related and puts the blame on Epi for her voting him.

Tell me your feelings, FZ.

It doesn't really feel bad to me. I rely more on tone, and her tone feels genuine.
Let me ask you or anyone familiar with baddie Nutella, is she the kind to follow others and bandwagon?

I for one really like, especially in the early stages, to bring my own suspects forward when I'm bad so people don't start accusing me of bandwagoning. I feel like when a person has no problem just stating they agree with someone, that it can easily be what they really think.

[MacDougall]

I vote anyone but Dave and speedy.

[speedchuck]

Actually no this is getting uncomfortable

[FZ.]

Mac, why are you so trusting of Epig?

[speedchuck]

Switched to Kyle for now.

[Kylemii]

You'll agree with anything I say? I think Kyle is a crab person here to corrupt all our lives through mafia games. The sooner we're rid of him, the sooner we can propser.

god i wish this were true

[FZ.]

Voted Epig for now

[FZ.]

Sloonei, can you sum up why you think Kyle is bad?

[Kylemii]

I'm interested in [mention]Spacedaisy[/mention]'s read on me

[Sloonei]

Sloonei, can you sum up why you think Kyle is bad?

Yes I can. I'm going to settle down on my laptop and provide some solid reads soon. In the meantime, tidbits of my suspicion are scatteted around my post history.

[MacDougall]

Mac, why are you so trusting of Epig?

[MacDougall]

Oops wrong emoji

[Dyslexicon]

Stuff from page 2-6

I don't care for F.Z.'s take there. It's original, but it's a reach to say a guy is frustrated about power arrangements just because he mentioned powers. I could see it as an effort to heap onto the Kyle Pile without being complicit in promoting my poop.

I half agree. I had two reactions to that post. The same thing that FZ said crossed my mind when reading Kyle's post at first, but then at the same time I didn't trust FZ's post because it could also read like projection. Which gets kind of contradictory cause I did think the same thing as her. All this to say that my gut is not trusting of FZ at this point.

I do think Kyle's response to my nonsense was an incorrect representation of the purpose it may serve (ignoring/discarding the obvious civilian motive). I read him in the civilian direction anyway on the basis of tone. I am not sure Kyle is the sort to say he "doesn't have respect for" some play being made if he isn't genuinely angry about it -- an anger I'd expect to be more civilian-driven than mafia-driven.

I do like this reasoning for reading Kyle town. It's a pet peeve that players should be able to give the same emotional output as town and scum without being considered to do something "not in spirit of the game" - BUT it rarely happens. The specific respect-angle here I agree is coming from town more likely than scum (unless maybe teamed with JJJ, but that's a topic for the after party, probably). I also like JJJ pointing this out, cause he didn't have to. But that's about the only thing I really like about JJJ (without really disliking him (in terms of alignment, he's lovely for sure : p)

I don't care what bothers you. I won Phenon: Origins because the civilians were generally disengaged and did not try. I won Transistor because the civilians were generally disengaged and did not try. Rule #1 is to let a lazy thread remain lazy. There have been instances where I've provided some half-assed fake "motivation", like "let's go, the thread is moving too slow". Those things never matter and don't hasten the thread pace.

Pushing Kyle's buttons and blowing it up? That works. I know what works. Feel free to discard this shit after this game now that it's plainly stated, but it's true right now.

The votes appear to be changeable.

I have qualms about this whole line of defense from JJJ. He's playing it off like he was this huge driver for debate, while in actuality what made the content was Kyle's reaction and Kyle's posts, which JJJ had no control over. If he had flung the poop on me I would've posted a cat gif and moved on - then what? So logically, JJJ didn't write or do the content. The other reason I have qualms with this is that I regocnize that I've used this exact line of defense as scum several times - played off reactions to me doing something as all of it being my doing and my content when in actuality I had no direct control over it.

(slightly off topic: I'm surprised to see that kind of RVS being so effective on this site. To think that I fake scum slipped in my first game here is cray - I was not prepared for the storm lol).

Just read his iso. You are in shit sling mode because Epi is on the verge of handing you your ass. None of your arguments against him are rational. You are doubling down on omgus because it's wifom and your day 1 is a choreographed mimicry of your usual play without the common sense.

I mean, up to the point you enter the thread all Epig has said is that what JJJ (and Sloonei (?)) have been doing doesn't make them town and that JJJ doesn't seem sincere. That is hardly a case. It may be genuine intuition, but that's all, and that is me giving goodwill to it. There's nothing really to respond to for JJJ to be fair.

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Other notes I took:

- Why is Kyle worried about getting lynched for no reason so early by JJJ? FZ was the one with some actual piece of reasoning.
- I don't get how Kyle can say he "gets where Epig is coming from" concerning the scum duo read on JJJ and Sloonei when it's just as baseless as JJJ's brick throwing. Weird.
- Then Epig gives a reason for suspecting JJJ, namely that he wasn't sincere.
- Speed makes some posts and I'm going to town read him for voicing the exact same concerns I have while reading.

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All in all I will town read Speed, I haven't seen anything wrong with Sloonei's posts, Kyle I would guess town for the reason JJJ stated, very undecided about both JJJ and Epig at this point in my reading - it's all very rah rah rah. I'm more interested in anyone else.

[MacDougall]

Mac, why are you so trusting of Epig?

That's better.

[Dyslexicon]

Will continue reading.

Oh, btw, when I said Kyle was a town read I hadn't actually read much of the thread at all. So that was just to be contrary and cool. Don't know it's relevant.

[MacDougall]

Had you started that post before or after my gth

[FZ.]

Mac, why are you so trusting of Epig?

That's better.

I forgot how helpful you could be

[MacDougall]

Mac, why are you so trusting of Epig?

That's better.

I forgot how helpful you could be

I don't trust him.

[FZ.]

Mac, why are you so trusting of Epig?

That's better.

I forgot how helpful you could be

I don't trust him.

So why did you put him in green in your rainbow?

[MacDougall]

Mac, why are you so trusting of Epig?

That's better.

I forgot how helpful you could be

I don't trust him.

So why did you put him in green in your rainbow?

[Kylemii]

I have qualms about this whole line of defense from JJJ. He's playing it off like he was this huge driver for debate, while in actuality what made the content was Kyle's reaction and Kyle's posts, which JJJ had no control over. If he had flung the poop on me I would've posted a cat gif and moved on - then what? So logically, JJJ didn't write or do the content. The other reason I have qualms with this is that I regocnize that I've used this exact line of defense as scum several times - played off reactions to me doing something as all of it being my doing and my content when in actuality I had no direct control over it.

This is something that bothered me too. Jay actually had minimal influence on the discussion aside from starting it. He posted a silly science man gif and sauntered off.

- Why is Kyle worried about getting lynched for no reason so early by JJJ? FZ was the one with some actual piece of reasoning.

I am sensitive to getting lynched day one over bullshit because of frequent past experiences. It used to be so bad that I would really just sign up for like 5 games at once fully expecting to get lynched early in 1 or 2 of them to balance it out. Realistically, in retrospect overextending myself in that way probably contributed to the bullshit.

- I don't get how Kyle can say he "gets where Epig is coming from" concerning the scum duo read on JJJ and Sloonei when it's just as baseless as JJJ's brick throwing. Weird.

this is a misunderstanding. when I said I get where he's coming from, I meant I get where he comes from about wanting to establish reads on those two as early as possible. I don't see Jay and Sloonei as W/W.

[speedchuck]

Nobody else is saying it, so I'm going to ask. [mention]MacDougall[/mention] Why am I darker green than you on your rainbow list? Don't answer if you cannot.