The Syndicate

timmer wrote:Considering the front page hasn't been updated in a long time, could you expand on this? What happened on night 5 that would make you trustworthy?

The night ended due to a blizzard.

LC, if you look at what happened on night 5, you'll see why you should trust me

Wait a minute, I still have to read through, but how did I become bad all of a sudden?

Question: Could it be that what went wrong was that MR gave CC a kill even though there wasn't an old rogue night kill, therefore there are more old rogues than we thought before?

Okay, I moved it back to Timmer. The whole "SVS' response is going to make me decide" is a little too convenient when you think about it. I hope I'm not dooming the old rogues now, but I might still come back. I have about half an hour or less


linki: no idea what to think of it. What did I tell you all about needing a mafia break. I'm tired of feeling like an idiot


linki: llama was a detective. Barry Allen

I already read that. Thanks Devin. Would love to hear your thoughts on this...and fast, because I need to go

Metalmarsh89 wrote:I feel that timmer is more likely to be lying.

I also get the feeling that LC is on timmer's side, and trying to push the lynch towards SVS instead.

Maybe. I wish they would come in here before I leave so I can make up my mind.
Where is Sophie today? And Bass?

Metalmarsh89 wrote:

FZ. wrote:LC, are you sure SVS said she tried to use her role every night? If that's the case, she has to be lying, because we don't have any old rogue alive that can use a power every night.


I'll be around for an hour or so more, but then I'm leaving and coming back only after deadline. I'll move my vote to SVS just in case. If something changes, you all move your votes from her because I won't be here to do it.

Why not just leave it on timmer then? Who do you feel is being less trustworthy right now?

Obviously, I keep changing my mind every second, LOL.

Metalmarsh89 wrote:

S~V~S wrote:

timmer wrote:I'm not silenced.

I've sent in a PM to MR to confirm something from a long number of nights ago.

So am I right that, assuming that Roxy was Capt. Cold, that the only possible Old Rogues left alive are Heat Wave, Mirror Master and The Trickster?

In the meantime, SVS, I need to ask you. First, do you believe that Roxy was Capt. Cold? And also, have you ever, in the course of your travels on the map, found any useful items and used them on other players?

Your answers are very important.

Yes I do believe she was cc and no, I have found nothing. I have sent in movements, but have only actually been told I moved once since I had BTS with Sophie.

And MM, I have only really discussed the mechanics of one role. My error was that I have sent in an action every night. Doh. So I made a major assumption based on something that never happened.

This is what SVS said, FZ.

Oh wait, so she used her role every night by mistake. Guh, one of them is bad, but we need to take out the right one

The only Rogue that can use the role every night is Golden glider. If that's the case, then TImmer is lying.

No movement for me either.

LC, are you sure SVS said she tried to use her role every night? If that's the case, she has to be lying, because we don't have any old rogue alive that can use a power every night.


I'll be around for an hour or so more, but then I'm leaving and coming back only after deadline. I'll move my vote to SVS just in case. If something changes, you all move your votes from her because I won't be here to do it.

Aces was professor zoom. So only zoom. He could be dead too by now. But back then, he might have not been.

MM, what does Wally West being a detective, which I know, have to do with it?

Reading what you both say, we're back to the three claiming old rogue. The options are Trickster, WW, and Mirror. Who seems least trust worthy to you, and I hope you don't say me

Long Con wrote:

FZ. wrote:

Long Con wrote:Llama's vouch makes her a Detective, and Pied Piper seems to be dead.

We all assumed that because there was no message, but what if they decided not to post to make the baddies think he's dead? I remember llama objecting strongly to lynching MM

I have my doubts about that... Pied Piper's combination of information and thread-messaging would be used to help win the game, not hidden away to trick the baddies. I don't see the benefit of tricking them into thinking he's dead.

Maybe after llama was resurrected, they thought it would be better to make it look like detectives were dead because of Zoom, or professor Zoom (whoever's role could get them killed easily). I just don't get why llama came in when we were thinking about lynching MM and strongly objected, and even told MM that he should have gotten by without him, but he's here now and he won't let us lynch him. Something like that

linki: Will read both in a minute

I don't know how many old rogues are out there, but if CC could only kill when an old rogue was NK, it means one of the 3 of us (SVS, Timmer and I) are lying. I know it's not me. Is there any chance we got this wrong and there are more than 2 rogues? This is crucial

Long Con wrote:Llama's vouch makes her a Detective, and Pied Piper seems to be dead.

We all assumed that because there was no message, but what if they decided not to post to make the baddies think he's dead? I remember llama objecting strongly to lynching MM

Long Con wrote:MM, I think Sophie is Wally West.

I agree.

timmer wrote:But FZ, to be clear here. If SVS gives me a certain answer, my vote will move to you, and it will never change until one of us is dead. Because her answer will take all doubt out of my mind, and it won't change.

If you really are an old rogue, that would be a stupid thing to do. Also, would you care to explain to me how Weather Wizard operated on night 5 if he was supposed to be dead?

Timmer, I'm trying to understand weather you're claiming to be heatwave or Mirror I'm assuming mirror, because I just checked the roles again and you ask about Mirror not being able to see the Trickster's actions or Heatwaves'. I assume that's you, or at least you're hinting to be it. That would mean both Heatwave and the Trickster are dead, and you're trying to find out what you saw SVS doing. I have no idea. I also don't understand how the Trickster and weather wizard and mirror could be alive after Roxy died. It makes no sense. So either Mr. Alchemy took one's power early on, and could hold on to it for longer, or you're lying. Because the only one we don't have proof about using a power is Mirror.


The only way there could be more than two old Rogues is if we didn't get CC's tidles right.


SVS, what's up with the "I don't care if I'm lynched because that would prove LC wrong" BS you keep saying. LC hasn't been saying anything about you in a while, and he can be proven wrong in the end game. I feel like this is an appeal to emotion. I think we just need to analyse the facts. I don't think any of us know what your role is, and if you've hinted at it, I didn't get it.

S~V~S wrote:But I do want to hear what Timmer has to say about this. I tend to miss things sometimes, lol. So, yeah.

I doubt you're thinking about the right person, but okay. For me, it's between you and Timmer now. My vote is on Timmer. He's going to have to convince me he's the other old rogue and not you.
Let the games begin


I'm going to bed

Based on CC"s role, there had to be 2 old rogues for him to be able to night kill. Since he did on night 2 and 3, 2 out of the 3 who were NK (Splints, DF and EPi) had to be old rogues. If Roxy was CC, that makes 3 rogues dead. Add to that golden glider, and you get 4. We started out with 6 old rogues, so there can only be 2. If you're an old rogue, Timmer can't be one

S~V~S wrote:I am not a huge fan of putting names on civvie roles, tbh. Although this whole discussion led me to notice something about my own role that I had totally missed, lol, and I want to thank the host for being incredibly gracious and not saying anything to make me feel stupid, lolol since I have been bollixing it up the whole game

I think we're getting close to the end of the game, and I hope we only have one more baddie. Assuming you're not lying about being an old rogue, it means Timmer can't be. Now which is it?

S~V~S wrote:

Metalmarsh89 wrote:

Long Con wrote:Why Heat Wave? How pegged?

Pretty pegged.

SVS talked about having BTSC with blindfaeth here.

And she and Roxy came after me when I was cursed on Day 3 with the same reasons at the exact same time, here. (check the following 10-15 posts to see the connection).

So I feel pretty strongly about it.

Interesting theories, MM. But I am not Heat Wave. Just because Roxy & I were on the same page, does not mean we had BTSC. I would have screamed bloody blue murder when she was killed if I did. I am most def OR, but you have to look elsewhere for HW. I had map BTSC with BF, not role related.

What do you think about the whole discussion?

Okay, bye.

Metalmarsh89 wrote:

FZ. wrote:

Metalmarsh89 wrote:

FZ. wrote:MM, if that's the case, then the Trickster should still be alive and not Heat. If so, why are you following my vote?

It depends, that is why I'm asking you about Bass. If he is the role that he hinted, it is possible that he borrowed the Trickster's power for a time.

You mean Abra? Would he be able to steal from someone who is dead?

Doctor Alchemy is the role he suggested.

Forgot.
So you think he could have taken it earlier in the game? Night 1 or 2, and have it until night 6?

Metalmarsh89 wrote:

FZ. wrote:MM, if that's the case, then the Trickster should still be alive and not Heat. If so, why are you following my vote?

It depends, that is why I'm asking you about Bass. If he is the role that he hinted, it is possible that he borrowed the Trickster's power for a time.

You mean Abra? Would he be able to steal from someone who is dead?

MM, if that's the case, then the Trickster should still be alive and not Heat. If so, why are you following my vote?

I'm voting Timmer and suggest you all join me because after this conversation and understanding the roles, I think we have it

Day 7 did not end early. At least not like that. That's what I believe..........

linki: Sure. why don'g you guess mine

Metalmarsh89 wrote:Here's the thing FZ. The Trickster should still be alive, right?

Spacedaisy was killed on Night 6, and it looks to me like a trap set by the Trickster. Link

What do you think?

Linki:

That's why I said that the trap could have been set before night 6. I doubt the Trickster could do such a thing every night, but that's just me. What if it was Epi, and he put it on someone before he died thinking he would probably be either lynched or NK early on, being the Epi that he is :P Or it could have been one of the others. In any case, Roxy had 2 kills, so there were two old rogues dead. She then died, and so did BF. That makes it 4. Either SVS is lying or TImmer. You give good reasons for SVS to be Heat, so it makes TImmer the liar. Plain and simple. It makes me an idiot because I thought TH wouldn't defend him like that, but at least we have him now.

linki: Timmer is not the weather wizard.

Epignosis wrote:I'm bored.

Go read the bible

Forget the winks. Can we get the facts straight?

Assuming Rox was really CC. She could only kill on night 2 and 3 (I assume she could kill even if she was imprisoned).
In order for her to kill on night 2 and 3, it means Splints and Epi had to be old rogues, doesn't it? Again, assuming she could get a kill even if it was her that killed the old rogue.
So two deadd. Roxy is dead too, and so is golden glider. Maybe Epi or Splints were Mirror.
I wonder if the Trickster could put the target earlier than the night it really happened. Was it a one time thing, or an every night thing?

If the former, let's assume Splints and Epi were Mirror and the Trickster. Then we have Roxy and BF as Cold and golden glider. This leaves Heat and the weather wizard, and Timmer a liar.


linki: You're assuming that she could get it on different nights even if two old rogues were killed at the same night. Possible, and doesn't really matter. It still leaves us again, with Timmer as a liar

Wait, only Epi died on night 2 and it was CC. If he was not an old rouge, how could CC get another night kill on night 3?

Metalmarsh89 wrote:

Long Con wrote:

FZ. wrote:

Long Con wrote:Captain Cold – He’s the strict and no-nonsense leader of The Rogues. He can use his “Cold Field” to Role Block a player each night. He has BTSC with Heat Wave. Captain Cold is all about “the score”. If an Old Rogue is night killed, he will have a night kill for his own use.

Are we sure about this? And if so, are you sure there's only one left?


linki: Thanks for the list. Going to look at it

I'm not sure of some of it. I am sure that there's three or four Old Rogues dead, and if Mirror Master were dead then we wouldn't know it.

I am so confused right now.

The Trickster should still have been alive as of Night 6.

The Weather Wizard should still have been alive as of Night 5.

And I also have SVS pegged as Heat Wave.

Why do you have her pegged as HW?

So we think CC killed Epi and DH? Is that correct?

So only 2 old rogues? Or 1?

But it says he can kill when an old rogue is night killed, not when lynched. I feel like an idiot, but I don't get what you're saying

But how is it possible based on CC's power and what LC says?

MM, you said you think there are more old rogues. Based on what?

Long Con wrote:Captain Cold – He’s the strict and no-nonsense leader of The Rogues. He can use his “Cold Field” to Role Block a player each night. He has BTSC with Heat Wave. Captain Cold is all about “the score”. If an Old Rogue is night killed, he will have a night kill for his own use.

Are we sure about this? And if so, are you sure there's only one left?


linki: Thanks for the list. Going to look at it

Long Con wrote:For the record, since you have tried to pin a bad voting record on me several times today FZ... I was the first one to accuse Bass of being a baddie, and he was Double Down, a New Rogue. How does that compare to your voting record? Since you brought it up so insistently, which baddies did you find?

If you guys have so many people cleared in your minds that it leaves only me, then you're doing something wrong. I am not a New Rogue. If Rabbit was a New Rogue, then I think that there's likely two left... maybe one, maybe three, but I'm going with two as the most likely. It's not Bass, it's not Sophie. I don't think it's Black Rock. It may be S~V~S, Timmer, MM, FZ, or Devin. It's not me.

As far as I can remember, S~V~S, Timmer, and Metalmarsh have all claimed Old Rogue. Captain Cold killed twice, so that means that two Old Rogues had died. Roxy was Captain Cold, and is dead. Golden Glider is dead. That means there is a MAXIMUM of two Old Rogues left alive. Someone is lying.

If Professor Zoom killed Llama, then that means that he is still alive out there. Which means that when we lynched Aces, he wasn't Professor Zoom, he was Mirror Master. Which would mean there is only ONE Old Rogue left alive, and more false role claimers.

LC, I know my record is not impressive either, though I've voted for some of the baddies at an early stage. But I actually know I'm not bad, so the people I'm looking at, are not me.

Not sure I get your calculation regarding the old rogues. What does Captain's cold kills have to do with how many there are left? Why couldn't CC kill any other roles?

No problem, and I didn't think about it being BR's night.

Is your suspicion of LC new, or did you think about it before? Because I don't remember people really talking about LC. Even last day, when I tried to talk about him, no one answered but him. What changed your mind?

Now that I think about it, could he (Bullz) have been forced to vote himself? If TH didn't know he was bad, he could have made him do that

Are we ruling SD out because it looks more like the Trickster's doing?
Also, do you think Bullzeye would have voted for himself if he was blacksmith?

What I mean is, what exactly happened on night 7? You didn't write anything about that in your list earlier. I'm sorry I don't remember

MM, do you also have the list of role secrets you or others solved?

linki: Yep, that could be. I'm still not sure I get your point on TH not getting BTSC. Why?

Metalmarsh89 wrote:I also want to talk about Blacksmith's possible Role Secrets again, since no one wanted to a few days ago.

Blacksmith – Searches to build her own group of Rogues. Every night she may search a player. If that player is a New Rogue, she will gain BTSC with them. However, if she searches and finds the Secret Role, that player will take over her power a BTSC and she will die.

It doesn't look grammatically correct, but I think this is an important piece of the puzzle. Does anyone have any thoughts about this? Are the secrets correct, or a little different perhaps? If this is correct, it seems to me that Turnip Head never gained BTSC with the other New Rogues (via Blacksmith), and it is especially evident since the Top tried to kill Girder on Night 7.

Or, I guess there's the possibility that Bullzeye was Blacksmith, and the Turnip Head killed him when Bullzeye searched TH. That would explain the lack of a killer's name being shown, and the second attempt on Blacksmith's life on Night 4.

Something is not right with the"a BTSC" because a, it's not grammatically correct, and b. there can't be another A. Maybe it's a number?

Thanks for the list MM! I remembered someone was bad and couldn't decide if it was Dream or not.

SVS, I don't know why. Just gut I guess. Could be wrong. Why, are you lying? :P Seriously though, I do think there are 3 old rouges left, and I think two of them could be you and Timmer. Last time I went with believing a baddie defended another baddie so strongly, which is something I rarely do, we ended up losing the game for the civvies. TH defended TImmer, so I think Timmer could be good, and if he is, and he keeps saying he thinks he knows who you are, I'm leaning on believing him for now.

The only people I have no idea who they could be, at this point, are MM, Devin, LC and BR.

Like I said, BR was the one convincing us TH is bad, so I'm taking her off the list.

MM could have gone after easier targets than LC, so I'm thinking this is really what he believes. In addition, I think he could be related to llama as well.

It leaves me with LC and Devin. TH wanted to vote for Devin. I'm not sure who convinced who to vote for Devin, TH or Timmer, but unless there was some serious distancing going on because TH knew he was going down, I doubt it's Devin. Still not sure.

Which leaves me with LC, which like I said, looks really trust worthy most of the time, but when you get down to business and look at his voting record, I see nothing that says civvie, and I realize he could have said and done everything to look like he's on the good side.

Metalmarsh89 wrote:I'll post one for you FZ. Give me a few minutes.

Thanks

First of all, not that I'm complaining, but why wasn't there a kill tonight? I thought someone inherited Top's kill. Does it mean we only have non killing new rogues alive?

Second, I'm not a new rogue.

Third, I kept telling you I don't think TH would defend another baddie so strongly, which is why I keep doubting TImmer is an new rogue.

BR has gone after TH longer than any of us, so I doubt she would be an old rogue.

As for LC, like I said, he seems the most helpful, and at times it feels like he's the most trust worthy one of them all, but when you break it down to finding baddies, I don't think he's found any, nor was he one of the first voters for any of them.

I kind of believe SVS about being an old rogue, but I keep wondering why she talks about recruitment so much.

No clue about Devine. And MM and Sofie seem to be on the same page. Sofie, how much do you trust MM?




Since the host hasn't updated the first page in a very long time, can anyone tell me please what happened to all the players who died and don't have a description near their name. If lynched, what role were they. Thanks.

Long Con wrote:We haven't lynched Girder, Blacksmith, Murmur, Tar Pit... we have lynched The Top and Double Down...And we have more and more reason to believe that Plunder is out of the picture at this point.

Girder must be alive (assuming that "he can't be nightkilled" includes "he can't be imprisoned"), and it's reasonable enough to assume that at least one of the other three have been randomly killed at some point.

We have killed Grodd and Professor Zoom, but Zoom may still be out there.

So... my estimate is that there are three or four baddies still out there. And how many players total now? 10 or 11?

I thought we had fewer still alive.

If you had to pick 2 players who are old rogues right now, who would they be?