The Syndicate

DFaraday wrote:

Long Con wrote:You protected Epignosis, which stopped my rolecheck?

That doesn't jive, my rolecheck would have helped Epi.

Sorsha blocked you.

Scotty wrote:Also who's the wise guy that killed me N1? I'm the only one listed without a killer receipt.

Maybe i committed seppuku because of my uselessness.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote:Additionally troubling is how the Sorsha reads turned from town to only possible mafia member overnight with no Sorsha posts inbetween.

What changed?

Why is Dom town? Dom's alignment is important for determining Sig's imo. (Cause I think hes a specific townie is unconvincing. I need reasons or at least key posts).


Linki: For the clear? I was mechanically cleared and nobody cared. Unconvincing argument. Why would Sorsha shoot herself? Why would the scum shoot Sorsha if she wasn't scum? No good answer to either of those questions.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote:@Golden

So if Sorsha is the last scummer and the poig, she could block and kill in one night? Block and kill herself? Why do this instead of just blocking and killing say...you? Doesn't this also cause a paradox? Roleblocker roleblocking herself.

Sig's suggestion that Sunny shoot at the VFDs says he doesn't think the game ends today, which is troublesome.

Golden wrote:

Sorsha wrote:I thought Golden was Olivia too so LC's flip surprised me too

Because I seemed checked out in the early going?

It really was just because I was on holiday. I've been back home the last few days. Then I'm going away again in two days.

There was a point in time where I thought Epi was Olivia (including when I voted for him) but I realised he wasn't later.

Golden wrote:

sig wrote:You should with my record.
don't be salty I lynched one of your teammates, you win as a group anyway I'd assume.

@Golden if we had two mafia members left who'd you think they were?

Umm... I guess Daisy would be it with either Sorsha or MP. It would mean that MP was way out of meta or that he is reading daisy wrong, neither of which I think are likely.

sig wrote: Sorsha = Her profile is a cat and cats are mean.

Golden wrote:

MovingPictures07 wrote:If Sorsha is the last scum... I can't even.

I'm like, 95% sure!

I mean, how sure are you that it isn't Daisy?

Dragon D. Luffy wrote:

Sorsha wrote:Can I just vote Quin without catching up? I have no idea what's going on

Does it even make a difference.

You catching up is more useful to town at this point than your possible vote on Quin.

Golden wrote:

Sorsha wrote:What happens when baddies are recruited? Was that covered yet and I missed it?

They only win with the independent win condition but they could help their baddie team to win still as well.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote:

sig wrote: I'll read him over first.

Excellent idea.

Anyone want to propose a reason to lynch Eloh over Epi or Epi over Eloh?

I feel Epi has been more intellectually dishonest and obvious about defending/distancing from Eloh and of course there's the Snow Dog lynch (that I don't entirely blame Epi for cause Snow wasn't helping his own case much) while Eloh has generally contributed less and feels more like attempting to buddy certain players.

My general feeling is that it is more likely that Epi is scum and Eloh is town than vice versa but I could be convinced otherwise.

sig wrote:Ah well I could roll with that to Sorsha, I'm just pretty sure he's bad. IF he is on the other team we should have 3/4 of votes on him just in case. However, I still subscribe to my theory he is on glorf's team.

sig wrote:Sorsha what do you think of MM?

Sorsha wrote:I feel like there's something up between Epi and Eloh, I commented on this last night too but I'll go through it again.

Epi called out Golden, Quin and Eloh as bad. Talked about wanting to lynch Eloh even. Then night happened. Quin and Golden aren't lynch options and so Epi backs off the Eloh suspicion today. Sorry I'm on my phone right now or I'd pull quotes for this.

But I think it's a weird situation.

I could vote for either Epi or Eloh and probably will.

Golden wrote:

Sorsha wrote:This was his reply to me last night Golden, you can check his or my ISO for the full context of what went on

Epignosis wrote:If I'm good (or independent), and good people accuse me of being bad, I would like the courtesy of them at least attempting to put a civilian context around my actions and reactions.

That's what I'm doing for Eloh.

That isn't backpedaling. That's called thinking.

I haven't noticed him extending the same courtesy to me. He's stuck to his guns on his read of me since day one, and I've given him sufficient angle to think about the civilian context of my actions.

The only thing is, what epi does isn't elohs fault...

Epignosis wrote:If I'm good (or independent), and good people accuse me of being bad, I would like the courtesy of them at least attempting to put a civilian context around my actions and reactions.

That's what I'm doing for Eloh.

That isn't backpedaling. That's called thinking.

sig wrote:Why is Zebra voting for an inactive who was just replaced?

Epignosis wrote:

Sorsha wrote:Epi you are confusing me.

I don't see why.

Epignosis wrote:

Sorsha wrote:You think Eloh is bad.

Yes, with a few asterisks now.

Sorsha wrote:You don't think she is in the Troupe because of her sprityo vote.

Had that lynch played out any other way, I would consider a defeated teammate taking one for the team. Maybe that still happened. But given the precise nature of that role, it seems unlikely. Long Con is very easy to make up a reason to vote for him.

Sorsha wrote:But you don't think the Guardians self targeted one of their own?

I never said that. It's an operational assumption.

DFaraday wrote:After the former beachgoers dumped Dom's body in a watery grave, they decided a change of scenery was in order. Having heard of a town called Paltryville from some locals, they decided that such a place sounded like the perfect retreat from gloom and misery. Upon taking the first bus into Paltryville, the party noticed that two buildings stood out as being most alarming: A decrepit (a word here meaning "rundown") factory titled "Lucky Smells Lumbermill" and a sinister eye-shaped (a word here meaning "shaped like an eye") optometrist's office.

The eerie eye establishment held some appeal for the company, as perhaps some answers could finally be found within. But some passing lumber workers offered their own advice.

"I wouldn't go in there if I were you, Dr. Orwell is a hypnotist."
"Yeah, everyone around here tries to stay clear of her. Who knows what she'd do to a bunch of strangers?"
"But looking on the bright side, she did prescribe pretty good glasses for my pet turtle."


Anyone who wishes to risk searching Dr. Orwell's office must post that they are doing so in the thread by the end of Night 3. Anyone who does not post on it will not visit the office.

Golden wrote:

Dragon D. Luffy wrote:I recall DF saing he wouldn't be allowed stuff like "I'm a civ" to be detected.

I reckon there would be meaty stuff in our convo for a lie detector. LDs should always start by clarifying how a particular statement would be answered by the host if the player is good, and if they are bad, however. To make sure you know what you are getting.

Quin wrote:

Long Con wrote:

DrWilgy wrote:DDL, I've noticed a trend of you being obscure and do think you need to be lynched soon.

Snow Dog same thing, but it's only been a single post that directly rubbed me the wrong way. Overall I don't think this is the same civvy Snow Dog I saw in monkey Island. @LC I'd like your opinion on this.

Definitely not the same Snow Dog that we saw in Monkey Island. I have already given an opinion on his play:

Long Con wrote:I am suspicious of Snow Dog because of his drastically different playstyle. He wants to go fast and loose this game, carefree and a bit chaotic. It's a fine choice, and one that a Civ might make to survive longer (because who wants to nightkill the court jester? He's no threat...), but my other feeling is a bit stronger, that he is a baddie that wants to avoid a lynch by acting that way. It's really hard to separate truly suspicious behaviour from fun chaos behaviour. Which would be the point. It's not nearly enough for me to advocate Snow Dog's lynch though... and anyway, I owe him for our last game together, and I want to follow through on that.

A question to everyone: do you think Dom lie-detected Quin as bad, or was he just upset about his lynch and lashing out at the stand-out vote? I can understand the idea that a baddie Quin would vote off the main wagon under normal circumstances (as in: a lynch that had some voting variety), but I'm not sure that Quin's DDL vote warranted that accusation from Dom.

If you have the time, I'd recommend you go through my posts and see if you can pick out anything that Dom could have checked that would incriminate me. I don't think you'd be able to. As for my voting off the main wagons - that's just me. As a civ, I did it in Red vs Blue, and as a baddie, I did it in Mad Max. It's as 3J calls it 'a convenient meta'.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote:

Sorsha wrote:Sig- Reading your case makes a Dom vote seem sensible.... But just reading his posts without your interpretation doesn't make me want to vote him so I'm kinda meh right now.

Sorsha wrote:Voted for Dom because whatever. I'll try to be around more

Lol okay, Sorsha.

Can you explain why you really voted for Dom?

Why is a train you were like "meh" and "whatever" about better with your vote on it?

Spacedaisy wrote:I'm sorry I missed the vote guys, my sister got in tonight for the beginning of a week and half visit. I got sidetracked and missed the poll end.

Sorsha, I was not trying to lure anyone from voting Dom, I was trying to keep things from being a one track lynch and at least get some input on other people, see what some of the late voters might say and consider some other options because I don't know what I think of such a runaway lynch tally...

Linki: Yep that would be why.

Long Con wrote:

Sorsha wrote:

Long Con wrote:

Sorsha wrote:

Long Con wrote:

Sorsha wrote:Long Con- do you know who cursed you?

I'm sure many folks have cursed me from time to time...because I'm bad. Otherwise, I'm sure that I do not know of what you speak...because I'm bad.

So you don't know who Vice Principle Nero is?

I do not know who Vice Principal Nero is...because I'm bad. If you are looking for a way to get me Lie Detected for this, then feel free to ask me tomorrow...because I'm bad.

Because I'm so very goddamn bad, it might be hard to separate such a statement from my OCD need to tell you how bad I am, but I will be perfectly happy to answer this question straight tomorrow... because I'm bad.

You're probably right. ok then

Great idea, though...because I'm bad. Hopefully there will be more ways to apply this type of LD statement in the future...because I'm bad.

Long Con wrote:

Sorsha wrote:

Long Con wrote:

Sorsha wrote:

Long Con wrote:

Sorsha wrote:Long Con- do you know who cursed you?

I'm sure many folks have cursed me from time to time...because I'm bad. Otherwise, I'm sure that I do not know of what you speak...because I'm bad.

So you don't know who Vice Principle Nero is?

I do not know who Vice Principal Nero is...because I'm bad. If you are looking for a way to get me Lie Detected for this, then feel free to ask me tomorrow...because I'm bad.

Because I'm so very goddamn bad, it might be hard to separate such a statement from my OCD need to tell you how bad I am, but I will be perfectly happy to answer this question straight tomorrow... because I'm bad.

You're probably right. ok then

Great idea, though...because I'm bad. Hopefully there will be more ways to apply this type of LD statement in the future...because I'm bad.

Long Con wrote:

Sorsha wrote:

Long Con wrote:

Sorsha wrote:Long Con- do you know who cursed you?

I'm sure many folks have cursed me from time to time...because I'm bad. Otherwise, I'm sure that I do not know of what you speak...because I'm bad.

So you don't know who Vice Principle Nero is?

I do not know who Vice Principal Nero is...because I'm bad. If you are looking for a way to get me Lie Detected for this, then feel free to ask me tomorrow...because I'm bad.

Because I'm so very goddamn bad, it might be hard to separate such a statement from my OCD need to tell you how bad I am, but I will be perfectly happy to answer this question straight tomorrow... because I'm bad.

sig wrote:DDL is actually a moderate civ read of mine at this point.

@Sorsha why would you think LC would know that?

Long Con wrote:

Sorsha wrote:Long Con- do you know who cursed you?

I'm sure many folks have cursed me from time to time...because I'm bad. Otherwise, I'm sure that I do not know of what you speak...because I'm bad.

sig wrote:

Sorsha wrote:I'm leaning DDL with my vote. The call for a policy lynch/vig kill on snow dog for starters. Then after that the arguing game theory just stands out more to me than anything else anyone else has done.

This is a main post by Sorsha, most of her stuff have been kinda fluffy. However, I'll forgive it since we're only on day 1. My main concern with a DDL lynch is that it could be easy for mafia to job on, however we haven't had much movement at all this phase and not many votes. I think therefore the likely hood of at least a few mafia members being inactive is high. So it might be in our best interest to go the inactive route for day 1.

I'll either be voting for a more inactive player or DDL. I need to think about it for a few more minutes and review a few things.