The Syndicate

Bea, you should catch up all the way before you declare yourself as a Cylon sympathizer. :P

LoRab wrote:
Metalmarsh89 wrote:Now that all Cylons have been deemed bad, I hope every player left in the game is willing to claim Cylon today.

Spacedaisy wrote:So say we all.

Interesting law to say the least. Clearly The President trusts you MM.

Good thing for no death!
I'm halfway to being entirely unkillable. What an original development. :P
We have not been deemed bad. We have been stated as necessary for death for all humans (not all of whom, I assume) are good. This also means that good cylons also need to die. So, really, not civ friendly.

Alright. You may or may not be bad, but according to the new law, you do need to be dead.

I'm not exactly a fan of this development either. It won't be easy to lynch all the Cylons.

Everyone, before you pile your votes onto Lorab.

We should hang on for a bit first. We've got 48 hours in the day. Also, there has been resistance to "Mass-Cylon-Claim" plan. If any of said players are Cylons, we could effectively force them to use their amnesty before falling back to Lorab.

Just a thought.

Linki w/ Silverwolf: agreed.

Now that all Cylons have been deemed bad, I hope every player left in the game is willing to claim Cylon today.

Spacedaisy wrote:So say we all.

Interesting law to say the least. Clearly The President trusts you MM.

Good thing for no death!

I'm halfway to being entirely unkillable. What an original development. :P

Well since Lorab probably isn't human, she needs to go.

So does Epignosis.

So say we all.

These rules are getting better and better!

OA, I think you'd be less likely to be punished if you claimed Cylon than from saying that.

ObscureAllure wrote:Nah it's easy - everyone but me just make the claim. It relieves the playing field.

I think you're not on the baddie team, but I still think you should participate. I'm ok with Epignosis not doing it because he's an outed Cylon already, but I hope that every other player will partake.

If there are Cylons who are pro-human, I hope that they will sacrifice their own amnesty in order to negate the amnesty of the anti-humans. Why? Because if a pro-human Cylon does need to utilize their amnesty at a later point in the game to prevent being lynched, they're likely to be lynched the next day and waste time anyway. I think we're better off if everyone levels now.

I know that's a difficult thing to ask of 25 players, but I hope everyone can see the benefit of it.

Ricochet wrote:
Metalmarsh89 wrote:
Ricochet wrote:Well two things:

If tomorrow is claim day from everyone, all Cylons will have amnesty. Unless we lynch a human that might happen to be bad, a mislynch is virtually guaranteed.

The plan is manipulable. The Cylons could blend and then maybe fuel a witchhunt for anyone who hasn't claimed. Because god knows some of you are already in "he who opposes = FoS" mode.
There are several players who can't have amnesty tomorrow, as Matt has highlighted. Lorab is one of them and likely to be lynched.

The point of the plan was to eliminate any of the amnesty existing, not to create a WIFOM world where the Cylons can wreak havoc. We've already agreed that Humans have nothing to lose by abiding. I've pointed out multiple reasons they have something to gain from it. As a result, I can't think of a reason that a human would refuse to follow it. As such, I think it's logical to be suspicious of someone who opposes.
Fair point and oversight on my behalf. I rescind my first point.

As for the second, I then propose the following. I shall be the last player to abide. If
no overall claim will be achieved, I still find that the plan will be manipulable.

You can go before Epignosis.

Ricochet wrote:Well two things:

If tomorrow is claim day from everyone, all Cylons will have amnesty. Unless we lynch a human that might happen to be bad, a mislynch is virtually guaranteed.

The plan is manipulable. The Cylons could blend and then maybe fuel a witchhunt for anyone who hasn't claimed. Because god knows some of you are already in "he who opposes = FoS" mode.

There are several players who can't have amnesty tomorrow, as Matt has highlighted. Lorab is one of them and likely to be lynched.

The point of the plan was to eliminate any of the amnesty existing, not to create a WIFOM world where the Cylons can wreak havoc. We've already agreed that Humans have nothing to lose by abiding. I've pointed out multiple reasons they have something to gain from it. As a result, I can't think of a reason that a human would refuse to follow it. As such, I think it's logical to be suspicious of someone who opposes.

Matt wrote:
Metalmarsh89 wrote:
Silverwolf wrote:Really? We have to do it during the day? OK, I'll do it first thing if I'm alive.
My understanding is the law doesn't work at night, because you gain amnesty the day you claim.

But hey, better safe than sorry. Thanks for joining the anti-amnesty club.
She hasn't joined yet. But yes, thank you for going along with the plan, Silvy, come day 4.

Anyway, Marmot...

Why did you say "but that's alright" to Drum after he voted Nero? And why did you vote Nero less then 30 min later?

I can't remember.

I do know that was the moment when I truly understood how the amnesty worked. Before, I thought that it would result in a no lynch if the vote-leader had amnesty, not that the next player down would be lynched.

Silverwolf wrote:Really? We have to do it during the day? OK, I'll do it first thing if I'm alive.

My understanding is the law doesn't work at night, because you gain amnesty the day you claim.

But hey, better safe than sorry. Thanks for joining the anti-amnesty club.

Matt wrote:@ Marmot, can you please explain why you claimed that you voted for Nero because "you don't do ties" even though you clearly believed Lorab was telling the truth about being a Cylon, thus no tie even existed, at least from your PoV? Your reasons for voting Nero are not clear in the slightest, they make no sense.

I explained it to Jay here.

I was set on not voting for Lorab because she claimed Cylon, and I was stuck in that mindset. At the time, the benefit of putting her in the lynch-lead didn't occur to me.

Ricochet wrote:
Metalmarsh89 wrote: Nobody else (or only a few more) follow the plan: Then we continue the game with several cases of amnesty still in play. With unchangeable votes in the lynchpoll, then I completely agree with SVS. This will just lead to of chaotic lynch after chaotic lynch day-after-day.
I don't find it in the interest of any civilian to fakeclaim during future Day phases just to save their asses, so this scenario is actually better for leaving such pressure only to actual Cylons.

Metalmarsh89 wrote: Everyone but the Cylons follow the plan: Then we found our Cylons. I don't expect this result, but it is possible.
Who is "everyone"? If you are supposedly an uninformed civilian, you should have no concept of who "everyone but Cylons" might be. There is no way to distinguish Cylons from humans (or baddies from civilians) simply by assuming that "everyone but Cylons will follow through". I don't find this scenario feasible. Case in point, I am human civilian and don't plan to fake Cylonclaim. What you're proposing sounds almost like a "hey, everyone who is civ say so, the others must be therefore bad". Uh, fat chance.

Metalmarsh89 wrote: Everyone follows the plan: We don't learn who the Cylons are, but they are at least easier to lynch.
If everyone follows the plan, we go back to the usual lynch status quo, in which nobody is safe from lynching based on this law. That's about it.

Metalmarsh89 wrote: What do we have to lose by using this plan Ricochet? How would it hurt the humans for every player to Cylon-claim?
It would not hurt the humans, but it would not help them bait or distinguish Cylons no more. Besides, we should be respecting da law and I find it that this law was meant to ensnare Cylons, not for us to use it en gros to allow for nothing to be potentially achieved.

Humans don't have amnesty.

Cylons do.

Not following this plan will allow all Cylons to save their amnesty until the moment before they are lynched. Why do you think this is better than no player having amnesty?

Where's that confounded bridge?

Ricochet wrote:I don't see how saying it can hurt Cylons at this stage, if everyone is saying it. Sure, they'll be deprived of attempting to pull any more amnesty moves, but we'll have no way to potentially identify them, if he pool will be large. Wasn't the law primarly designed for that?

Nobody else (or only a few more) follow the plan: Then we continue the game with several cases of amnesty still in play. With unchangeable votes in the lynchpoll, then I completely agree with SVS. This will just lead to of chaotic lynch after chaotic lynch day-after-day.

Everyone but the Cylons follow the plan: Then we found our Cylons. I don't expect this result, but it is possible.

Everyone follows the plan: We don't learn who the Cylons are, but they are at least easier to lynch.

What do we have to lose by using this plan Ricochet? How would it hurt the humans for every player to Cylon-claim?

Ricochet wrote:
Metalmarsh89 wrote:
Ricochet wrote:I don't get why some players just dumped Cylon claims merely for the sake of getting rid of 'em. Most of you weren't even strong lynch candidates. I find this behavior a bit chaotic. If you're humans, you merely went around the law and played with the notion of fake claiming. If you're cylons, right now you could have easily bantered your way out of every having to out yourselves for real and your D2 testimony being treated as the equivalent of WIFOM ("did he/she claim for bantz or for real?"), instead of being every scrutizined properly.
Did you even read the plan? The point is that if everyone posts in thread "I am a Cylon", then we can theoretically eliminate all amnesty in a single day phase.

We weren't claiming "for shits and giggles", we were claiming to force the hands of the Cylons.
Did you read my caveat? Cylons could perfectly blend in with this, whilst not giving a frak about actual amnesty. The amnesty law should be like plain bait for Cylons, especially bad ones. I can't speak for LoRab's decision, but if I were Cylon and bad, I would not touch the amnesty button one bit, at this stage. LoRab did, but I doubt all six others will and I doubt this law will be the gamesolver for us civilians.

I don't expect it to be a game-solver.

I expect it to make things easier for those who need to lynch Cylons. Letting the Cylons save their amnesty until late points in the game could prove detrimental. Imagine if there are three bad Cylons left on Day 10. It could take 6 days to lynch them if they play their cards right. I'd rather avoid that scenario and make it 3.

Matt wrote:Wow that was a thrilling catch up!

So many things happened...

Do you have anything to say about the other things?

Matt wrote:I think he's [Marmot's] a liar. Dunno about what exactly, but he's lyin' about something.

So you're not convinced about your case, but I must be lying just because?

Ricochet is on my list of "too hesitant to be human".

Ricochet wrote:I don't get why some players just dumped Cylon claims merely for the sake of getting rid of 'em. Most of you weren't even strong lynch candidates. I find this behavior a bit chaotic. If you're humans, you merely went around the law and played with the notion of fake claiming. If you're cylons, right now you could have easily bantered your way out of every having to out yourselves for real and your D2 testimony being treated as the equivalent of WIFOM ("did he/she claim for bantz or for real?"), instead of being every scrutizined properly.

Did you even read the plan? The point is that if everyone posts in thread "I am a Cylon", then we can theoretically eliminate all amnesty in a single day phase.

We weren't claiming "for shits and giggles", we were claiming to force the hands of the Cylons.

Catch you all tomorrow.

Also, sortie F6 just in case.

Lorab couldn't have known going into the day that she was going to claim Cylon. If she has teammates and they all saved their votes, I don't think it would have been because they were waiting for Lorab to claim Cylon. That was just coincidence.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:
Metalmarsh89 wrote:I had it in my mind that there was no reason to vote for Lorab because she claimed Cylon and wouldn't be lynched regardless. In retrospect, I think you and Daisy are correct on what I should have done, but that didn't occur to me until too late.

That said, voting for Nerolunar was still better than voting somewhere else. A tie between Lorab and Nero with Nero being lynched wouldn't have learned us anything, again assuming that Lorab is a Cylon.
What do you think of the people who have buried you in negative emoticons in the wake of your Nero vote?

Not much really.

Polo made his view clear before the lynch flip. I think his conclusion could come from either a mafia or civilian mindset, so I'm indifferent there.

Spacedaisy was willing to give me a fair shake. I haven't seen her play a game as a baddie lately, but I think her meta this game matches that of Downton.

Long Con is going to get my vote soon if not tomorrow. His reaction didn't make me feel better about him

ObscureArray only reacted in smileys, so I'm indifferent there as well.

ObscureAllure wrote:I'm sorry I'm a posting maniac. Trying to communicate with smilies for two days was brutal. I'll shut up now. Lol

Also, I want to bring this up again.

Does anyone think that nutella would have followed such a trend because she had a Cylon teammate doing it, or because she saw others in the thread saying it?

Metalmarsh89 wrote:Also, for the record, I did a search of nutella's posts.

Nutella has posted over 1100 times on the Syndicate. This is the first game she has used the word scum in an on-topic post, and she has done so in at least 4 posts. I wouldn't be surprised if nutella had a teammate who uses the word scum.

Jay, you realize that a random vote is not personal at all, but actually fate? I don't know how you could argue that he's mafia anyway, when in fact the stars had already aligned and shown us that you are the real scum here.

ObscureAllure wrote:
Silverwolf wrote:BTW, I agree with lynching Lorab tomorrow followed by Long Con after that.
Why LC?

How has this man been a top suspect since day one and he's not lunched yet. Lol

I want to lynch Long Con as well.

If he's a Cylon, then he forfeited his amnesty today.

Spacedaisy wrote:I think Nero voters are a good place to look, obviously. As has already been pointed out, those holding their votes might be worth consideration, I'm sure they wouldn't have wanted Lorab to out herself until it became necessary, so I can't imagine they voted early given that fact. I need to look over how the votes came in I think. However, once it was locked in that Nero was going to die instead of Lorab, they could safely cast their votes on her if they wished. Which I suppose doesn't look good for me, but eh, it is what it is. Makes the later votes less meaningful. It would be the ones that locked him in for second that should be most scrutinized I think, since they are the ones that likely determined the lynch in reality.

I was mainly holding my vote in case Nero came in and claimed Cylon to gain immunity. Had he done so, we would have been left with 8 players with 1 vote apiece. That would have been an awful result.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:
Metalmarsh89 wrote:
Polo wrote:
Metalmarsh89 wrote:Vote Nerolunar
If Nerolunar flips civ, you're my next lynch.
Why?

1) I don't do ties if I can help it.
2) If Lorab is a Cylon (which I believe she is), then Nero is lynched no matter where I vote.
3) I don't understand why you come to this conclusion.
Marsh, I am willing to talk to you here. A large part of me thinks the sea of 's dropped into this thread in the wake of Nero's flip is more suspicious than your actual vote was. But I need to understand one thing:

#2. I think this is an incorrect interpretation of the President's law, but regardless -- if you think this is how it functions, then it is a lot harder to understand why you voted for Nero. If you think Nero dies either way, then you needlessly sacrificed an opportunity to get more information out of the lynch by putting LoRab in the lead. Please explain what brought you to this move specifically in light of this query.

I had it in my mind that there was no reason to vote for Lorab because she claimed Cylon and wouldn't be lynched regardless. In retrospect, I think you and Daisy are correct on what I should have done, but that didn't occur to me until too late.

That said, voting for Nerolunar was still better than voting somewhere else. A tie between Lorab and Nero with Nero being lynched wouldn't have learned us anything, again assuming that Lorab is a Cylon.

ObscureAllure wrote:For the record, my mother had me vaccinated to I'm immune to everything. Come at me bro.

Wiggle wiggle wiggle!

I'm surprised I don't get silenced more often. I'm a boneheaded idiot when I'm civilian and I talk out of my ass when I'm mafia. Surely y'all have caught on by now.

Spacedaisy wrote:I agree about metalmarsh's opinion that hopefully she will not be killed tonight. I'd like to hear her opinions on the activities today and the lynch.

I said it mainly because she was rudely killed Night 1 in her last two games here, once by me. :P

Silverwolf better not be killed tonight (if she's human). Give her a chance at least to say something in a mafia game here.

Spacedaisy wrote:
Metalmarsh89 wrote:
Spacedaisy wrote:Is there anyone still holding a vote?
We learned something if we lynch Nero too. I don't think Lorab would have said she was a Cylon if she wasn't.

MM, you are bad, aren't you? If you were right and she was telling the truth Nero would have died anyway, your logic makes no civ sense here.

If I'm bad and Lorab is my teammate, why wouldn't I just vote for her anyway?

I voted as I did because it felt like the right decision in the moment. I'm sorry if it was the wrong one.

Well I'm sorry Nerolunar.

Y'all are going to have to deal with it. I said earlier I'd prefer a Long Con or Glorfindel lynch, but the tie was created between Lorab and Nerolunar. I'm not going to place a worthless vote elsewhere if there at tie between the top wagons.

If you've got a problem with it, tough shit.

Polo wrote:
Metalmarsh89 wrote:Vote Nerolunar
If Nerolunar flips civ, you're my next lynch.

Why?

1) I don't do ties if I can help it.
2) If Lorab is a Cylon (which I believe she is), then Nero is lynched no matter where I vote.
3) I don't understand why you come to this conclusion.

Spacedaisy wrote:Is there anyone still holding a vote?

We learned something if we lynch Nero too. I don't think Lorab would have said she was a Cylon if she wasn't.

Vote Nerolunar

ObscureAllure wrote:
Metalmarsh89 wrote:
ObscureAllure wrote:
Long Con wrote:I'd still prefer Lorab to have the most votes.

Didn't you vote for Nerolunar though?

ObscureAllure wrote:
Long Con wrote:I'd still prefer Lorab to have the most votes.

Didn't you vote for Nerolunar though?

Other players who haven't voted:

Black Rock
Silverwolf
Spacedaisy

Spacedaisy, what sort of havoc should we wreak?

Linki: Black Rock, you missed and voted LC.

Linki: Well, I guess SD voted too huh

Polo wrote:Are you a Cylon, Golden?

He is on the poll.

DrumBeats wrote:So basically right now it comes down to who would we rather have in front, Nero or Lorab.

Pros of Nero ahead:
-Human!Lorab would not die

Pros of Lorab:
-We would know for sure if Lorab is a cylon.

I'm personally leaning more towards putting Nero ahead. Would've preferred Glorfindel or Bea, but sadly that's not a choice.

Vote: Nerolunar

As Golden just cleared up, Lorab effectively has 0 votes (unless she lied).

Thus, Nerolunar would be the lynch leader regardless of your vote. But that's alright.

Wilgy! Will you follow the plan and say you're a Cylon?

It is now mathematically impossible for anyone apart from Nerolunar or Lorab to be lynched (in a normal universe).

Linki: Oh, never mind. I probably missed someone else getting the answer to that question.

Golden wrote:A new law has been passed.

Cylon Amnesty Act: Any person may publicly admit to being a cylon and, if the declaration is true, they will have immunity from the lynch for that day. Once a person has outed themselves as a cylon, they cannot do it a second time.

Nah, I think that it only works the day the say it, the first time that they say it.

G-Man wrote:And if Nero comes in last-second like and outs himself, we need another option. I'm gonna go with my gut on this one.

Vote = Glorfindel

There are 7 votes left to be placed, so at this point, you would need every other player available to follow suit in order to push Glorfindel into the lead.

I'll probably vote for Nerolunar. If he's a Cylon, eliminating his amnesty would still be a good result, even if no one is lynched.

Linki: Never mind. Now it's mathematically impossible for Glorfindel to be lynched outright.

Long Con wrote:
Metalmarsh89 wrote:
G-Man wrote:Am I crazy for still wanting to vote for Glorfindel? I mean I see the logic of voting for one of the six one-vote folk but I still think Glorfindel is bad.
I'll follow you on Glorfindel.

I wouldn't mind lynching Long Con at this point either. He was been active in the thread up until the point where I suggested everyone say "I am a Cylon". I would have expected him to be on board with it if he was human.
I'm still active. I don't think this plan will do anything. I also don't want to say that I'm a Cylon.

Why don't you think this plan will do anything?

I think it is a clever plan that could eliminate the amnesty of several Cylons if people get on board with it.

Also,

Metalmarsh89 wrote:A human has nothing to lose by saying this. A Cylon has a lynch to lose by saying this today.

I propose that every player state "I am a Cylon" at this moment.

G-Man wrote:Am I crazy for still wanting to vote for Glorfindel? I mean I see the logic of voting for one of the six one-vote folk but I still think Glorfindel is bad.

I'll follow you on Glorfindel.

I wouldn't mind lynching Long Con at this point either. He was been active in the thread up until the point where I suggested everyone say "I am a Cylon". I would have expected him to be on board with it if he was human.

Epignosis wrote:
Metalmarsh89 wrote:A human has nothing to lose by saying this. A Cylon has a lynch to lose by saying this today.

I propose that every player state "I am a Cylon" at this moment.
No.

Ok, everyone but Epignosis. :P

A human has nothing to lose by saying this. A Cylon has a lynch to lose by saying this today.

I propose that every player state "I am a Cylon" at this moment.

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