The Syndicate

Quin wrote: ↑Tue Oct 16, 2018 12:41 am Regardless of what we all may say though, killing active players isn't a bad strategy. It's not up the the mafia to make sure that they're leaving enough active players alive to generate discussion. Their job is literally the opposite. It's town's responsibility to make up for those losses.

I don't care about nightkilling active players as much as I care about nightkilling dangerous players.

Like, Jay might be the most consistently active player ever, and he may hold a suspicion of me. But of all the players I've ever played with, he's the most likely player to discuss and diminish his own scumread of a player and keep the blinders off. Sure we killed him Night 1 here, but in that respect, that makes him less dangerous of an opposing player then one might assume.

We won!!! Wow, way to go team! Sorry for dropping the ball on the day Simon was lynched, but DH came through huge in the replacement role. I don't know how he made until the game end (well almost game end).

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Mon Oct 15, 2018 11:42 pm Thanks for killing me night 1, seriously (whoever did that). That was the first time that has ever happened to me on The Syndicate.

You're welcome.

Conclusion:

I am town

Jack and sprityo are both scum.

Carry on. [VOTE: sprityo] aubergine

sprityo wrote: ↑Tue Oct 02, 2018 11:39 pm I most definitely saw dizzy earlier today and they haven’t voted.

Quin never voted when he was imprisoned, so he probably couldn’t vote either.

Imprisoner has dizzy today is my guess

Marmot wasn’t imprisoned because his vote obviously counted. So we can mark that off from him “accidentally” posting. Whomever had suggested that

There are many things an imprisoned player might be incapable of doing or having done to them.

DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Tue Oct 02, 2018 10:54 pm Anyway I don't usually do this but TH is for sure town. Not getting so much as a wiff of his bullshit meme game from Firefly. Dude actually cares about winning this one for the town, and fortunately for him I'm here to help us do that. God I'm brilliant.

He does his meme game all the time as town.

I want to point out the other potential scenario. Gemeni Man didn't care who he voted yesterday, and tossed a vote on me to as a result.

As for why he's voting today, well he's laying his cards on the table, and making it quite clear that he's going to be a permanent threat if he's bad.

Long Con wrote: ↑Tue Oct 02, 2018 10:12 pm Does Marmot do strategy?

No, no not really.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Tue Oct 02, 2018 9:50 pm I think it’s wifom that points to Marmot being bad, which is convenient cause I’m not moving my vote.

I'm not Gemeni Man and whoever is can go to hell for wrecking this chaos.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Tue Oct 02, 2018 4:18 pm
DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Tue Oct 02, 2018 4:10 pm Thought exercise: If Marmot is bad, is there any chance the Simon voters contain one or more teammates of his, and if so, who the hell?
Could be Speed. Could be LC. Could be bad luck.

No, you're my teammate.

DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Tue Oct 02, 2018 4:10 pm Thought exercise: If Marmot is bad, is there any chance the Simon voters contain one or more teammates of his, and if so, who the hell?

I'm not bad, vote someone else. You've got the wrong rodent.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Tue Oct 02, 2018 4:00 pm
Marmot wrote: ↑Tue Oct 02, 2018 3:54 pm Because he tried to lynch Sloonei. Yes this is old news, but it's the limit of my recollection.

Honestly, I logged in the other day and freaked out because I was about to be lynched. But I probably shouldn't have posted when I did, hence why you guys didn't hear more from me. I didn't expect to survive the lynch either, that was a surprise to me.

Anyway, just checking in right now to say hi. But I'll be back to post more later on today, and I've got a bone to pick with you voters.
Ladies and gentlemen, allow me to present to you “freaked out” Marmot.

Marmot wrote: ↑Sun Sep 30, 2018 7:48 pmWait what?

Marmot wrote: ↑Sun Sep 30, 2018 7:48 pm Sorry been busy with house projects the past couple days...

Marmot wrote: ↑Sun Sep 30, 2018 7:50 pm Well that's cool. Enjoy lynching me.
(Silently votes Simon)

There were reasons for that that I won't go into deeply.

But yeah I freaked out, I saw a bunch of votes on me, voted Simon because there was only a minute left in the day, but stopped posting because I realized it was the right thing to do.

Also I lied. I'm only going to be around the next 20 minutes before I go to bed.

Any questions I should address? Otherwise I'll read what I can.

Even if I was Gemeni Man I couldn't have done anything with it.

I don't know who made that vote though.

Because he tried to lynch Sloonei. Yes this is old news, but it's the limit of my recollection.

Honestly, I logged in the other day and freaked out because I was about to be lynched. But I probably shouldn't have posted when I did, hence why you guys didn't hear more from me. I didn't expect to survive the lynch either, that was a surprise to me.

Anyway, just checking in right now to say hi. But I'll be back to post more later on today, and I've got a bone to pick with you voters.

I'm confirmed town.
Sprityo is confirmed mafia.

Everyone else is tbd.

sprityo wrote: ↑Tue Oct 02, 2018 2:16 am @Marmot why can’t you just playing the FREAKING GAME MAN!???? We need you!!!!

Sorry, I was busy over the weekend.

Also I shouldn't even have posted yesterday.

Well that's cool. Enjoy lynching me.

Sorry been busy with house projects the past couple days...

Wait what?

I really like that post from Sloonei more than I like the case against him. Unfortunately, I don't have time to read the link you posted Sloonei.

[VOTE: Lunalee] aubergine

No ties please (don't listen to turnipface).

Kylemii wrote: ↑Thu Sep 27, 2018 5:45 pm is there a place where the points against lunalee are at in a convenient package that would be easy to view while i'm playing video games

You could stop playing Zelda and play mafia for a bit :O

Just kidding

K bye now.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu Sep 27, 2018 5:35 pm
Marmot wrote: ↑Thu Sep 27, 2018 5:31 pm [VOTE: sprityo] aubergine

Counter-counter wagon engaged!
I like the vote and would be willing to entertain it. But it seems people are not budging from the two established wagon at the moment. Care to expand on why this your vote?

Because his suspicion of you is circumstantial, and his treatment of you henceforth is based on that predetermined idea. This is based on only a few posts as I'm not fully caught up.

As for a Sloonei vote, I'm mildly interested. sprityo's concern was that you're pushing the narrative (which is not uncommon from you), but I haven't seen that in what I;ve read.

What I have not seen yet are reasons for Lunalee votes. Can anyone point me to those? [mention]Turnip Head[/mention], care to give a reason why I should force a tie with my vote?

Kylemii wrote: ↑Thu Sep 27, 2018 5:33 pm this is just my opinion but i think the case against sloonei seems like it's made out of weird garbage???

That's the most bizarre thing I've heard all day.

Why don't you join me on a sprityo wagon then?

I don't know which wagon came first, but sprityo counters them both.

[VOTE: sprityo] aubergine

Counter-counter wagon engaged!

Kyle is a big liar.

Or maybe a little one. I really don't know your size (nor do I need to).

Turnip Head wrote: ↑Thu Sep 27, 2018 5:09 pm It doesn't take much imagination for me to paint Bullz and Luna as scumbuddies right now

Unfortunately, paint is not an effective scumhunting tool. You make a big mess, and never get the color you want.

Have you tried ISO-propane?

Ah, I see Dizzy replaced in (no wonder you were tagging me).

Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu Sep 27, 2018 4:49 pm
Marmot wrote: ↑Thu Sep 27, 2018 4:43 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Wed Sep 26, 2018 12:49 pm I can't hunt right now and really shouldn't be posting at all. But I've made lots of posts on other subjects. This is just the thing that caught my attention and bothered me when I woke up this morning. If you want to see other things, I invite you to look at my post history. There's stuff there that's not this.

Also I disagree that self-defense isn't hunting. I am trying to understand sprityo just as much as I am trying to clear my own name.
Who are you and what have you done with supaSloondog?
supaSloondog has been replaced by supaSchooldog.

Is that why you asked sprityo to bus you?

Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu Sep 27, 2018 4:49 pm
Marmot wrote: ↑Thu Sep 27, 2018 4:43 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Wed Sep 26, 2018 12:49 pm I can't hunt right now and really shouldn't be posting at all. But I've made lots of posts on other subjects. This is just the thing that caught my attention and bothered me when I woke up this morning. If you want to see other things, I invite you to look at my post history. There's stuff there that's not this.

Also I disagree that self-defense isn't hunting. I am trying to understand sprityo just as much as I am trying to clear my own name.
Who are you and what have you done with supaSloondog?
supaSloondog has been replaced by supaSchooldog.

Turnip Head wrote: ↑Wed Sep 26, 2018 2:28 pm Show of hands who thinks speedchuck could be bad?

You all are still bad because I've been lazy and haven't proven anyone townie yet.

Bullzeye wrote: ↑Thu Sep 27, 2018 4:46 pm

I'm going to end up staying up until the lynch ends and be too tired for work tomorrow...

That's the spirit.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Wed Sep 26, 2018 12:49 pm I can't hunt right now and really shouldn't be posting at all. But I've made lots of posts on other subjects. This is just the thing that caught my attention and bothered me when I woke up this morning. If you want to see other things, I invite you to look at my post history. There's stuff there that's not this.

Also I disagree that self-defense isn't hunting. I am trying to understand sprityo just as much as I am trying to clear my own name.

Who are you and what have you done with supaSloondog?

sprityo wrote: ↑Wed Sep 26, 2018 12:50 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Wed Sep 26, 2018 12:26 pm I can’t jusge this impartially right now, so I need others to offer their input:
Mac’s primary activity on Day 1 was to smear me. He did other things and made lots of noise, but I don’t think it’s unfair to say that I was his #1 suspect.
Then who was his number one suspect? If anything you might not even have had been an actual suspect, more so he wanted to push you.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Wed Sep 26, 2018 12:26 pm Mac was subsequently nightkilled. My instinct was to look out for people who would then turn that kill against me. I expressed this early in the day.
Then you picked a poor choice of words to express it.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Wed Sep 26, 2018 12:26 pm sprityo, who hadn’t touched me all game, then comes along to declare me his top suspect because I had expressed my theory about potentially being framed by Mac’s death. I don’t think it was at all unreasonable for me to feel that way, and I’d have no reason not to share that opinion with the thread. sprityo, however, suggests that there’s “no reason” for me to share it if I’m town. I don’t buy that part especially.
You can feel that way. However, your words reflect differently than what youre saying right now. Let me rephrase myself on saying 'you have no reason to "share" if youre town.' There's no reason to create a wifom scenario. which is what you did. which is what i've been saying youve done.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Wed Sep 26, 2018 12:26 pm What’s more, he hasn’t identified anything in Mac’s suspicion against me that he agrees with. I’d like to see him at least try to do that.
Mac had suspicion but not context. yknow why?

MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Sep 25, 2018 7:54 am You are asking me to play the game in ignorance of all my intuition and instincts?
He didnt have a reason. Simple as that. I dont suspect you because of what mac said, i suspect you because of what happened to mac, what mac could have done, and what you did do following mac's death. I'm not looking at you from any other angle besides what happened after mac died.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Wed Sep 26, 2018 12:26 pm But for now I get the sense of a baddie making a concerted effort to spin a case against an established suspect (me). I do not get the sense that sprit has carefully considered my position in any of my posts. Instead it feels to me like he just seized onto a suspicion that already existed and is using that as his authority to suspect me.

Can anyone else see that, or am I just being too defenice here?
Here's the unlikely scenario:

Sloonei is town, he gets pursued by mac who is not someone to back down off his intuition. Sloonei isnt lynch, much to mac's dismay. then during the night, mac still paints him as someone bad, essentially a guarantee he's gonna try to lynch sloonei on day2. He even goes as far as to taunt sloonei to kill him. Mafia kills mac and waits for someone to attack sloonei.

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so would mafia kill mac to blame sloonei? or would sloonei kill mac to take the pressure and focus off himself?

MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Sep 25, 2018 7:54 am
Sloonei wrote: ↑Mon Sep 24, 2018 11:35 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Sep 24, 2018 11:28 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Mon Sep 24, 2018 7:32 pm This is an even worse result than the Day 1 result.
You are so evil and villainous and it offends me that you survived day one.
Please move past this.
You are asking me to play the game in ignorance of all my intuition and instincts?

Just kill me. Dr Manhattan taking out Rorschach style.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Wed Sep 26, 2018 2:27 am I can only think of myself, so I assumed Mac was killed to make me look bad.

I do sympathize with Sloonei's concerns here. If sprityo suspects Sloonei because of the MacDougall kill, then he's tunnelling pretty hard on everything else Sloonei is saying as a result. Evidence provided by the above post.

nutella wrote: ↑Wed Sep 26, 2018 12:05 pm
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Wed Sep 26, 2018 11:26 am
Long Con wrote: ↑Wed Sep 26, 2018 11:20 am
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Wed Sep 26, 2018 11:13 am Also the Colin vote thing what?

What does scumJack have to gain by shading Eloh and then jumping off the Eloh train right before she’s mislynched without saying anything about it?
He could say he tried to save a Civ. The gain being looking like someone who tried to save Mega Man. Also, defining what is "gained" is, to me, a red herring. Acting unsure is gain enough, to a baddie. This defense is terribly shoddy, and I agree with Kness that you are suspicious.
But I never said I was trying to save Eloh or that I thought Eloh was good.

This offense is lame.

Also, Mac said I was towncore.
This post is so BadJack I'm having FlashJacks.

Mac said I was towncore too but you don't see me flaunting that or anything. Not even a defense.

You've flaunted it right here you know.

speedchuck wrote: ↑Wed Sep 26, 2018 12:15 pm Sprit's case is that Sloonei is trying to control the narrative, as soon as Mac died. Nobody else had suggested, as of that point, that Mac's death implicated Sloonei. He was pre-emptive about it. That suggests forethought, though it doesn't necessitate it. It also paints a picture of a guy who is very aware of the WIFOM involved in Mac's death, and who understood the strategy from both sides.

Yes?

Please tell me more about the WIFOM around Mac's death.

sprityo wrote: ↑Wed Sep 26, 2018 12:16 pm
speedchuck wrote: ↑Wed Sep 26, 2018 12:15 pm Sprit's case is that Sloonei is trying to control the narrative, as soon as Mac died. Nobody else had suggested, as of that point, that Mac's death implicated Sloonei. He was pre-emptive about it. That suggests forethought, though it doesn't necessitate it. It also paints a picture of a guy who is very aware of the WIFOM involved in Mac's death, and who understood the strategy from both sides.

Yes?
That’s pretty much it, yeah

The problem with this narrative is that it ignores what Sloonei is saying.

Was Sloonei not trying to do this before MacDougall was nightkilled? (Disclaimer, I don't know the answer to this question because I haven't read much from the early game)

Sloonei wrote: ↑Wed Sep 26, 2018 12:26 pm I can’t jusge this impartially right now, so I need others to offer their input:
Mac’s primary activity on Day 1 was to smear me. He did other things and made lots of noise, but I don’t think it’s unfair to say that I was his #1 suspect.

Mac was subsequently nightkilled. My instinct was to look out for people who would then turn that kill against me. I expressed this early in the day.

sprityo, who hadn’t touched me all game, then comes along to declare me his top suspect because I had expressed my theory about potentially being framed by Mac’s death. I don’t think it was at all unreasonable for me to feel that way, and I’d have no reason not to share that opinion with the thread. sprityo, however, suggests that there’s “no reason” for me to share it if I’m town. I don’t buy that part especially.

What’s more, he hasn’t identified anything in Mac’s suspicion against me that he agrees with. I’d like to see him at least try to do that. But for now I get the sense of a baddie making a concerted effort to spin a case against an established suspect (me). I do not get the sense that sprit has carefully considered my position in any of my posts. Instead it feels to me like he just seized onto a suspicion that already existed and is using that as his authority to suspect me.

Can anyone else see that, or am I just being too defenice here?

Thanks, this summary helps my context a little bit. Did anyone aside from Mac try to lynch you Day 1?

You're obviously being too defenice.

Still 6 more pages to go.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Wed Sep 26, 2018 11:46 am Hi, @Marmot

Ready to play yet?

Yes, would do you require of me?

I'm dipping out, feel free to lynch me tonight.

Which ping from Bullzeye are you calling forced ignorance?

I meant the game itself. Literally almost every player is name Something Man

Why are there no women in this game?

That said, I imagine Bullzeye is being cheeky in the second response, based on his other posts.

speedchuck, I notice you took it for granted that Sloonei didn't read the rules while accusing Bullzeye of feigning ignorance. Why?

speedchuck wrote: ↑Tue Sep 25, 2018 11:15 am @Marmot I ask you to give me a single read on a person. Or more if it pleases you.

And to answer this question, everyone is mafia until I have proven otherwise.

It's Night time you nitwit.

I do plan on reading some ISOs come Day 3 (namely Jay's and Colin's), and my heart should be able to handle it.

speedchuck wrote: ↑Tue Sep 25, 2018 11:15 am @Marmot I ask you to give me a single read on a person. Or more if it pleases you.

Here are 5 reads on Turnip Head.

Turnip Head
Turnip Head
Turnip Head
Turnip Head
Turnip Head

speedchuck wrote: ↑Tue Sep 25, 2018 11:14 am These ISOs are crap

Would you recommend doing ISOs? I'm asking for a friend.

Lunalee wrote: ↑Tue Sep 25, 2018 10:55 am
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Tue Sep 25, 2018 10:39 am
Spoiler: show
Let’s just sort some shit.

Bullzeye - Bad vibes but he appears to be trying the correct townie amount to make things happen if that makes sense. I suspect this is a stylistic clash but it’s hard to tell having not played with him before. Slight townlean. Merits ISO.

ColinIsCool - Destroyed Night 1. 50% chance killed by the mafia. Suspected Sloonei in a way that gained him some flack so possible vig hit as well. (Dare I consider a sker on the Syndicate?) Slight scumlean but probably consensus town.

DFaraday - Null. Come on, DF.

Dom - Null. Come on, Dom.

DrWilgy - Null. Come on, Doc.

Infected_alien8_ - Bad vibes. Kinda ignored them cause he’s new to me. Scumlean. Merits ISO.

JaggedJimmyJay - Destroyed Night 1. 50% chance of being the mafia hit. Acting different from normal so there’s a chance he was a vig hit. Few players flat out said Jay was bad, though. Townread.

K-Ness - Need more. Slight townlean.

Kylemii - Null. Come on, Kyle.

Long Con - Feels right. I sense town effort, not scum agenda. Townread.

Lunalee - Her willingness to defend her hubby who is statistically unlikely to be her scum partner feels town motivated but I still need more from her. Townlean.

MacDougall - Initially felt very town for mindmeld and aggression but I’m wavering a bit. Townlean.

Marmot - Null. Come on, Marmot.

novaselinenever - Townlean. Votes poured in on him too quickly and his reaction seemed genuine.

nutella - Townlean. Very loose. A bit swingy but that’s Nutella sometimes.

Quin - Townread. It’s a secret why.

Simon - Null. Come on, Simon. Likely not w/w with Sloonei.

Sloonei - I’ve gone back and forth. Overall, there’s not much in the way of red flags but I consider myself pretty bad at reading Sloonei. I think I may have identified a scumSloonei tendency but I’m keeping it in my back pocket. Slight townlean.

speedchuck - Null. Hasn’t really said much besides naysaying some shit. Come on, Speed.

Soneji - Null. Come on, Soneji.

sprityo - Townlean. It’s a secret from everyone.

Turnip Head - Scumlean. I don’t see the town/neutral TH I’m used to seeing. For someone so excited about this game, he hasn’t been very present.

White - Null. Has this slot posted?

So I’d probably shoot an inactive if it were up to me.

Nice analysis Jack. I would bet there's at least one mafia among the low/lazy-posters. We should look into DFaraday, Dom, Dr. Wilgy, Alien, K-Ness, Kylemii, Marmot, Simon, Speedchuck, Soneji, and sprityo.

(ignoring White for now. they aren't even playing)

That is sort of a long list, but I think it's a good place to start. I'll add my own analyses later.

My post-to-availability is actually very high thank you very much.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Tue Sep 25, 2018 7:59 am
Marmot wrote: ↑Tue Sep 25, 2018 1:56 am
nutella wrote: ↑Mon Sep 24, 2018 5:52 pm Wb mountain man. Hit us with dem fresh insights.
Turnip Head has had two different avatars in the last 12 hours and must go.
As a member of the Frequent Avatar Change Korp, I object.

As someone who hasn't bothered to change their avatar in like 3 years, you all astound me.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Sep 25, 2018 7:54 am
Sloonei wrote: ↑Mon Sep 24, 2018 11:35 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Sep 24, 2018 11:28 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Mon Sep 24, 2018 7:32 pm This is an even worse result than the Day 1 result.
You are so evil and villainous and it offends me that you survived day one.
Please move past this.
You are asking me to play the game in ignorance of all my intuition and instincts?

Just kill me. Dr Manhattan taking out Rorschach style.

I think he's just asking you to ignore him, not your own intuition.

Quin wrote: ↑Tue Sep 25, 2018 1:53 am
sprityo wrote: ↑Tue Sep 25, 2018 1:49 am
DrWilgy wrote: ↑Tue Sep 25, 2018 1:14 am Oh hell I forgot this started. Someone catch me up please.
We killed the main character and skipped day 2. We’re down two, maybe three townies. It’s night two
also people are freaking out over random orange letters in host posts but he's actually just spelling g-man to mess with us

That's actually pretty brilliant.

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