The Syndicate

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MacDougall wrote: ↑Sun Dec 27, 2020 3:34 am
Marmot wrote: ↑Sun Dec 27, 2020 3:32 am
MacDougall wrote: ↑Sun Dec 27, 2020 3:27 am I mean I still do, but I did before too
Are you worried about someone nabbing your slot?
Yeah there is at least one person who can

Well sorry, it ain't gonna be me this year.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sun Dec 27, 2020 3:27 am I mean I still do, but I did before too

Are you worried about someone nabbing your slot?

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sun Dec 27, 2020 1:57 am Marmot was looking more and more town, but I was thinking that just meant LC was more obviously bad.

I was always the towniest player in the game

Yay win

Samusamu wrote: ↑Sun Dec 27, 2020 12:03 am Funny fact, i skipped n1 shoot thats why i know it was a scumslip .

I know i said sig, but thats was a lie, sig would be my objetive if i used the mech right.

You can applaud me
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in the head

Great teamwork! Just like we planned it

Marmot wrote: ↑Sat Dec 26, 2020 11:57 pm
Kylemii wrote: ↑Sat Dec 26, 2020 11:56 pm
Marmot wrote: ↑Sat Dec 26, 2020 11:50 pm Your welcome for encouraging discussion of nightkills
you were all "and of course just find out who your random target was if you missed a shot" and I'm like "oh shit I have to make something up for that"
I literally had no idea, but I figured the host would reveal if asked.

I also only encouraged it because I misread the hostpost, so this was a double-derp.

Kylemii wrote: ↑Sat Dec 26, 2020 11:56 pm
Marmot wrote: ↑Sat Dec 26, 2020 11:50 pm Your welcome for encouraging discussion of nightkills
you were all "and of course just find out who your random target was if you missed a shot" and I'm like "oh shit I have to make something up for that"

I literally had no idea, but I figured the host would reveal if asked.

Kylemii wrote: ↑Sat Dec 26, 2020 11:42 pm anyone whoever pretends to be some sort of intellectual in mafia is always in the wrong. this is a silly internet game solved purely by shenanigans every time

Ain't that the truth.

*You're

Your welcome for encouraging discussion of nightkills

voted

Samusamu wrote: ↑Sat Dec 26, 2020 11:22 pm
Marmot wrote: ↑Sat Dec 26, 2020 11:03 pm You don't really have to make an argument for me being mafia Samu. If we're wrong on chopping GS today, I've been advocating for my shooting tonight. I know I'm not mafia, but I shouldn't be alive in LYLO.
I support gs lynch and shooting kyle if u have put your mind in that statement.

Why not me?

This is where we disagree. I don't intend to force my thought process on other players, even if I think they're wrong. People generally don't respond well to that, understandably so.

Kylemii wrote: ↑Sat Dec 26, 2020 11:09 pm are any of these posts by samu and syn worth reading they're very long

I think they're worth coming back to tomorrow if GS isn't the wolf.

Samusamu wrote: ↑Sat Dec 26, 2020 11:03 pm
Marmot wrote: ↑Sat Dec 26, 2020 10:58 pm
Samusamu wrote: ↑Sat Dec 26, 2020 10:55 pm
Marmot wrote: ↑Sat Dec 26, 2020 10:49 pm Samu, why should I be concerned about you and Syn bashing heads right now? And why does my not weighing in make me auto-scum?
Because both I and syn are clearly town, because syn, while it thinks it has discovered gunpowder, actually goes against the wall of defeat head on and any town that has read the game should stop and redirect syn to solve the game in the easiest optimal and safe way.
Exactly, I do think you're both town, so I'm unconcerned by your fight. I just want to narrow the poe.

Marmot wrote: ↑Sat Dec 26, 2020 11:01 pm @Syn if Samu isn't mafa, who do you think it is, and why do you disagree with following Sloonei's plan??
Cause these questions you just make, are continue being ignored or trolling by syn.

Please try not to antagonize him too much. I literally just asked this question.

You don't really have to make an argument for me being mafia Samu. If we're wrong on chopping GS today, I've been advocating for my shooting tonight. I know I'm not mafia, but I shouldn't be alive in LYLO.

@Syn if Samu isn't mafa, who do you think it is, and why do you disagree with following Sloonei's plan??

Samusamu wrote: ↑Sat Dec 26, 2020 10:55 pm
Marmot wrote: ↑Sat Dec 26, 2020 10:49 pm Samu, why should I be concerned about you and Syn bashing heads right now? And why does my not weighing in make me auto-scum?
Because both I and syn are clearly town, because syn, while it thinks it has discovered gunpowder, actually goes against the wall of defeat head on and any town that has read the game should stop and redirect syn to solve the game in the easiest optimal and safe way.

Exactly, I do think you're both town, so I'm unconcerned by your fight. I just want to narrow the poe.

Samu, why should I be concerned about you and Syn bashing heads right now? And why does my not weighing in make me auto-scum?

@Syn, I misread the OP with how the gifting works. I was worried we could reach a point in the game where all living players had been gifted once, and that the list would reset (and mafia could gift themselves a second time as a result). Turns out, that's not how it works.

Lol Samu, you're funny

I switched my vote to non-hammer for now, not ready for the day to end just yet.

Syn wrote: ↑Sat Dec 26, 2020 9:34 pm
Syn wrote: ↑Sat Dec 26, 2020 9:34 pm
Marmot wrote: ↑Sat Dec 26, 2020 8:29 pm But you are partially right Syn, we should plan for the scenario where the POE was wrong.

@Syn @Samusamu @Grand Scheme @DrWilgy @Kylemii

I want all of your gift targets from this game. Please list them out from every night. If you forgot to submit and it was randomized, please find out what that random target was.
N1: Samusamu
N2: Marmot
N3: Marmot
also this is equivalent to PR baiting lol if you're not a wolf, Marmot, you're helping them by doing this

Explain.

My purpose of this is to try to get more specifics and narrow down who did the gifting each night. Mafia already knows this, since they're the one who picks the target each night. How does this discussion hurt town?

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Sat Dec 26, 2020 8:50 pm
Marmot wrote: ↑Sat Dec 26, 2020 8:30 pm My targets this game

Night 1: Alison
Night 2: DrWilgy
Night 3: Grand Scheme

Will you forgive me senpai? We can has cuddles later?

Samu, targets please.

My targets this game

Night 1: Alison
Night 2: DrWilgy
Night 3: Grand Scheme

But you are partially right Syn, we should plan for the scenario where the POE was wrong.

@Syn @Samusamu @Grand Scheme @DrWilgy @Kylemii

I want all of your gift targets from this game. Please list them out from every night. If you forgot to submit and it was randomized, please find out what that random target was.

Mafia clearly shot Sloonei last night. Town controls both the lynch and the nightkill now.

We should follow the plan.

@Syn Why would we shoot Samu today?

The poe was sig, me, and GS. We were right about sig, why then change our direction?

Hey GS, if Sloonei is deepwolfing, who's his partner?

that's not really a bribe, but a reminder

you have been townread by the greatest mafia player in the world

No GS, we should shoot me tonight.

Samusamu wrote: ↑Fri Dec 25, 2020 11:54 am
Samusamu wrote: ↑Fri Dec 25, 2020 11:53 am
sig wrote: ↑Fri Dec 25, 2020 10:24 am I'm not gonna ve around much today or this phase. Really saying I didn't respond well to the case is something I'm not a fan of just since timing wise I haven't had the well tjme.

I was town reading sloonie still want to, but seemed to be singularly focused on me and ik I'm civ.

If we want to stay within poe I'd say go for LC today shoot Marmot then give me a better chance to defend myself/dig around next day phase when I've got the time.
You have had many opportunities to defend yourself and as soon as the pressure rises on you, you claim the option to survive at all costs.

But you never shoot against marmot .

I like you but you need to be lynched today.
You never shoot against marmot in this day phase.

Anti-spew mode?

If we all target the same person tonight, it will:

a) protect the Slooncore
b) narrow the poe
c) if our pre-selected target isn't dead, we're guaranteed to know that mafia gifted themselves

It might not be necessary, but it's an idea to treat our nightkill as a second yeet.

did you know that a day on mars lasts just overr 24 hours? Almost the same as Earth!

Kylemii wrote: ↑Fri Dec 25, 2020 1:38 am I was a fool to think I'd have time today

it only takes like 10 min to replicate what sloonking did, of course you have time

would you do me the honors of shooting me tonight kyle?

I have a spare townread, would you like it?

I didn't like your vote on Day 1, that was my main qualm. But if sig is mafia, then I take it back, because voting a teammate in that situation seems reckless.

I changed my mind kyle you're town

lol, happy Xmas to you too

Ah, I see I've dropped in your poe Sloonei.

If it helps, I'll offer myself up as a policy nightchop tonight, especially if sig really is scum #2. Everybody target me tonight and eliminate the poe?

I'm not speaking posting clearly.

I am NOW unlikely to vote for Wilgy today.

I don't think sig has responded to the accusations well.

On another note, Sloonei's basically confirmed Rudolph's red shiny nose on a cloudy Christmas night. Reading back through that interaction between him and Made Day 1 confirms it.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Fri Dec 25, 2020 12:38 am
Marmot wrote: ↑Fri Dec 25, 2020 12:19 am
Sloonei wrote: ↑Fri Dec 25, 2020 12:18 am
Marmot wrote: ↑Fri Dec 25, 2020 12:17 am Oh, and I know that three people picked Alison Night 1. Part of the reason I think I might have been targeted is that I subbed into the game mid night, and the mafia might have assumed I wasn't really caught up on the game, and thus unlikely to make an educated guess.

Just a hunch though.
Who’d you pick last night and why?
Wilgy. He's a scumread, and as far as I've seeing not trying to gamesolve, so is a good night target imo
Is low thread presence unusual for wilgy?
Also Made pushed wilgy very hard yesterday. It was almost certainly not bussing.

Is all of this wilgy suspicion a prank on me?

No, but I answered that question without any knowledge of those interactions or your iso, so I'm unlikely to vote for Wilgy today.

I haven't played many games with Wilgy lately. The one I can recall, he subbed in and we were scummates, and in that case he was middle-of-the-pack active

Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu Dec 24, 2020 3:11 pm Marmot's first post is his massive ketchup wall. He gives Made an early town read for Made's public lesson on coal. Not unfair.
The most substantial point RE: Made is difficult to follow:
Marmot wrote: ↑Sun Dec 20, 2020 5:58 pm I've generally felt good about Sloonei and null on Made, but the end of this interaction is weird.

If Made doesn't believe Sloonei, normally that would mean he scumreads Sloonei.

I get that townies are far less likely to lie than wolves, but the question Sloonei asked in response is still weird. I can't put my finger on why.
It is unclear from this which of us (me or Made) Marmot says he feels "weird" about. The first line gives no indication what the source of the weirdness is. The second line would indicate Made is the weird one. The third directly states that I am the weird one.
Could you explain this response in more detail, O Christmas Marmot?

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Marmot wrote: ↑Sun Dec 20, 2020 6:03 pm Current reads

Town:
Marmot
Sig
Samusamu
Sloonei
Grand Scheme

Middling:
Mewtini
Syn
Made

Scum:
Kylemii
DrWilgy
Marmot has Made in the middle tier of his reads list, shared with Mewtini and Syn. Kyle and Wilgy are at the bottom.
Why is everyone listing Grand Scheme as a town read in all these lists?

Incidental mention of Made in a discussion with Syn about Wilgy.

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Marmot wrote: ↑Mon Dec 21, 2020 2:26 pm
Made wrote: ↑Sat Dec 19, 2020 4:01 pm Also end of day is really early. the cat wagon feels under developed, and I don’t like samu’s vote there. where are people on mewtini?? Wilgy???

Made wrote: ↑Sat Dec 19, 2020 4:16 pm Wilgy’s iso is bad. like really really bad

Made wrote: ↑Sat Dec 19, 2020 4:25 pm [VOTE: DrWilgy] aubergine feels like a more intentional cat, but somehow more airry

@Sloonei I thought this series of posts was sincere. I also think Wilgy's scum, and this is a great look for Made if I'm wrong.
Direct defense of Made when I prompted the thread for pro-Made arguments. Not the best look in the world, but he was just answering my question. But Marmot was the only one to really step up to the plate here, and I can't not give that some weight here. I'll also note that this is a different point than the one Marmot raised to give Made town credit earlier, if that means anything.

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Marmot wrote: ↑Tue Dec 22, 2020 6:08 pm Oh carp, I forgot day ended now, although my vote doesn't count anyway, so whatever

If posting is still permitted, everyone should post their targets tonight imo. My pick is Wilgy.

Also, I don't think Made is mafia, but I do generally townread the voters on his wagon (and not just because their names all start with s)
Implicit support of the Made wagon. This is more direct than sig's implicit support. I still don't love the way it looks, but if I'm comparing those two then Marmot is better. But not by a lot.

This is not a comprehensive Marmot ISO, obviously, and I don't have much of a feel for his game as a whole right now. But the Made interactions are Not So Great.

I was speaking about Made's statement of "I don't believe you". I think I found it mildly suspicious since he didn't follow up on it. He said he didn't believe that you thought he was mafia, which doesn't make sense if he doesn't scumread you at all.

I was several pages into catching up at that point, so I was probably loopy, and I don't think I had the words to describe it at the time. Then I later forgot about it.

sig wrote: ↑Thu Dec 24, 2020 12:59 pm And I could see a case by you, but imo there are alot better lynch targets today for sloonie he also only seemed to have looked at me. Just seems a bit sketchy.

You and Sloonei can both be town no?

You started the day off by giving Sloonei credit for catching Made. I read this as a townread of sorts. Calling him sketchy now for suspecting is kinda ad hom.

sig wrote: ↑Thu Dec 24, 2020 11:47 am And this push on me feels very disingenuous

What's disingenuous about it?

sig wrote: ↑Thu Dec 24, 2020 11:46 am And im not sure how I feel about GS theory, but at the same time I can't see why sloonie is still alive if he's a civ. And he's hard bussed teammates before very recently and made it to end game because of it.

@Marmot what do you think

Because mafia do not simply just nightkill who they want?

Why are you asking me?

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