Christmas Time Is Here Again

[Marmot]

my big brain theory is that alison was NK'd because she's a strong thread presence who is active and that'd be bad (to the wolves) in a world of low posters

Of the people who claimed to have shot Alison, who do you think did it?

[Marmot]

I believe mafia would've given the kill to a townie on Night 1. I think it would be in their best interest to save giving the gift to themselves until later in the game when they absolutely need to secure a townie NK. If they gift themselves N1, they run the risk of losing a teammate every night for the rest of the game.

[Marmot]

my big brain theory is that alison was NK'd because she's a strong thread presence who is active and that'd be bad (to the wolves) in a world of low posters

Of the people who claimed to have shot Alison, who do you think did it?

And by who do you think did it, I mean who in that group do you think is mafia, and gifted themselves the kill?

[Marmot]

I want to hear more from @DrWilgy today, his Day 1 was quite minimal, and he was one of the three wagons.

What's your take today Wilgy? Why'd you suspect Syn yesterday?

[Samusamu]

no

Well, its fine.

[VOTE: Syn] aubergine

[Samusamu]

Now @Syn i'm being imperative saying to you to do a 3vs3.

[Syn]

my big brain theory is that alison was NK'd because she's a strong thread presence who is active and that'd be bad (to the wolves) in a world of low posters

Of the people who claimed to have shot Alison, who do you think did it?

And by who do you think did it, I mean who in that group do you think is mafia, and gifted themselves the kill?

I see no reason to believe they gifted themselves the kill, seems suboptimal

[Syn]

Now @Syn i'm being imperative saying to you to do a 3vs3.

nah

thanks though

[Sloonei]

I implore each and every one of you to try to come up with an argument for Made to be town.

[Marmot]

my big brain theory is that alison was NK'd because she's a strong thread presence who is active and that'd be bad (to the wolves) in a world of low posters

Of the people who claimed to have shot Alison, who do you think did it?

And by who do you think did it, I mean who in that group do you think is mafia, and gifted themselves the kill?

I see no reason to believe they gifted themselves the kill, seems suboptimal

Doesn't your big brain theory suggest that mafia gifted themselves though in order to NK her?

[Marmot]

Also end of day is really early. the cat wagon feels under developed, and I don’t like samu’s vote there. where are people on mewtini?? Wilgy???

Wilgy’s iso is bad. like really really bad

[VOTE: DrWilgy] aubergine feels like a more intentional cat, but somehow more airry

@Sloonei I thought this series of posts was sincere. I also think Wilgy's scum, and this is a great look for Made if I'm wrong.

[Marmot]

Ebwop: if I'm right, not if I'm wrong, lol

[Syn]

my big brain theory is that alison was NK'd because she's a strong thread presence who is active and that'd be bad (to the wolves) in a world of low posters

Of the people who claimed to have shot Alison, who do you think did it?

And by who do you think did it, I mean who in that group do you think is mafia, and gifted themselves the kill?

I see no reason to believe they gifted themselves the kill, seems suboptimal

Doesn't your big brain theory suggest that mafia gifted themselves though in order to NK her?

kinda assumed there was still a normal NK but reinspecting the setup, it doesn't explicitly state so

hm

[sig]

I shot syn, I figured if mafia gave it to me, they'd think I'd shoot alison and if she didn't die then she was for sure mafia and I'm fairly certain Syn is

Oh i said nothing.

Why do u think syn is mafia, i said d1 why i townread him.

he said anyone who switched their vote was outing themselves, because that's apparently a thing

You switched your vote in the last seconds of the phase as we were actively trying to get it switched to wilgy. In switching you made it impossible for us to lynch anyone but Cat, since it would've just sent it to a 3 way tie.

It was really sheer luck I caught it since you switched a minute or so before the day ended.

[sig]

So I see 2 worlds

1. Syn is wilgy teammate and voted to save him
2. Syn was trying to force a tie so mafia could pick the lynch. In this world they'd have picked me, or if he's civ wilgy which means we'd have wasted a phase/shot on cat

[sig]

I shot syn, I figured if mafia gave it to me, they'd think I'd shoot alison and if she didn't die then she was for sure mafia and I'm fairly certain Syn is

Oh i said nothing.

Why do u think syn is mafia, i said d1 why i townread him.

I never saw the townread to begin with.

[Sloonei]

Also end of day is really early. the cat wagon feels under developed, and I don’t like samu’s vote there. where are people on mewtini?? Wilgy???

Wilgy’s iso is bad. like really really bad

[VOTE: DrWilgy] aubergine feels like a more intentional cat, but somehow more airry

@Sloonei I thought this series of posts was sincere. I also think Wilgy's scum, and this is a great look for Made if I'm wrong.

what looks sincere about it?

[Sloonei]

I have reviewed the end of day 1. i do not like mewtini's activity.

[Sloonei]

Quick read list atm in no order

Town
Sloonie
Lc
Mew

Town lean
Made
Samu
Syn

Null
Falcon


Scum lean
Kyle
Wilgy
Cat

Scum
Alison

sig my boy, we disagree in several points. Could you explain as many of these reads as possible?

[Marmot]

Also end of day is really early. the cat wagon feels under developed, and I don’t like samu’s vote there. where are people on mewtini?? Wilgy???

Wilgy’s iso is bad. like really really bad

[VOTE: DrWilgy] aubergine feels like a more intentional cat, but somehow more airry

@Sloonei I thought this series of posts was sincere. I also think Wilgy's scum, and this is a great look for Made if I'm wrong.

what looks sincere about it?

Their thought process was transparent, and I understand and agree with it.

[Marmot]

I really think DrWilgy and Syn are teammates and we should chop one of those two today.

[Marmot]

On the surface, Syn could be derpcleared for not knowing about the mafia nightkill (or lack of a standard one), however, he did have this interaction with sig on Day 1.

Spoiler: show

I really don't get why everyone here seems to not give a damn about the gift function.

It's literally a second lynch if used properly, if used improperly it'll totally fuck up town. We already know mafia can only give it to themselves once. Which means town is instantly at an advantage if we force this conversation into the open it takes all the power from the mafia for every phase except for one

Somebody explain to me why this isn't something we should be focused on

I don't actually think this is important enough to coordinate over

Most people go for a POE shot anyway

I will generally agree that maybe wolves wouldn't want hero shots going off, but POE clearing is also something they wouldn't want

more importantly, our debating about optimal gift play will directly influence wolf planning, as inevitably someone will "figure it out" and hand the optimal strategy to the wolves on a silver platter

Since he engaged in some conversation around the game mechanics, I'd assume he would've had some idea of what they entailed.

[Syn]

I really think DrWilgy and Syn are teammates and we should chop one of those two today.

sure

do me first

[Syn]

On the surface, Syn could be derpcleared for not knowing about the mafia nightkill (or lack of a standard one), however, he did have this interaction with sig on Day 1.

Spoiler: show

I really don't get why everyone here seems to not give a damn about the gift function.

It's literally a second lynch if used properly, if used improperly it'll totally fuck up town. We already know mafia can only give it to themselves once. Which means town is instantly at an advantage if we force this conversation into the open it takes all the power from the mafia for every phase except for one

Somebody explain to me why this isn't something we should be focused on

I don't actually think this is important enough to coordinate over

Most people go for a POE shot anyway

I will generally agree that maybe wolves wouldn't want hero shots going off, but POE clearing is also something they wouldn't want

more importantly, our debating about optimal gift play will directly influence wolf planning, as inevitably someone will "figure it out" and hand the optimal strategy to the wolves on a silver platter

Since he engaged in some conversation around the game mechanics, I'd assume he would've had some idea of what they entailed.

that is actually in my favour since my position only makes sense in a NK + gift kill world

[Marmot]

[Marmot]

On the surface, Syn could be derpcleared for not knowing about the mafia nightkill (or lack of a standard one), however, he did have this interaction with sig on Day 1.

Spoiler: show

I really don't get why everyone here seems to not give a damn about the gift function.

It's literally a second lynch if used properly, if used improperly it'll totally fuck up town. We already know mafia can only give it to themselves once. Which means town is instantly at an advantage if we force this conversation into the open it takes all the power from the mafia for every phase except for one

Somebody explain to me why this isn't something we should be focused on

I don't actually think this is important enough to coordinate over

Most people go for a POE shot anyway

I will generally agree that maybe wolves wouldn't want hero shots going off, but POE clearing is also something they wouldn't want

more importantly, our debating about optimal gift play will directly influence wolf planning, as inevitably someone will "figure it out" and hand the optimal strategy to the wolves on a silver platter

Since he engaged in some conversation around the game mechanics, I'd assume he would've had some idea of what they entailed.

that is actually in my favour since my position only makes sense in a NK + gift kill world

I didn't realize until now that the OP doesn't explicitly say that mafia doesn't have a standard nightkill, so I guess you're not wrong.

[Sloonei]

I did not like Made's initial progression on Samu:

Spoiler: show

[big post]

this is word salady af. I don't see how this kind of staging is helps us when it hasn't happened, it just will create more confusion when/if it does, which serves scum

Wow!

I'm saying why i read someone scum, and finishing that thought, that is very confuse, haha no.

You just used the word prototypical. This is some syergistic corporate megalamanic viscerlony baloney my friend

get rid of the words and you get "yeah, uhhh no me? no u!! anyways wifom anyone?"

I informed him that a language barrier was standing between samu and the rest of us. Made acknowledged this fact but explicitly gave it no weight in his read:

Spoiler: show

Word, respect. keeping my sus, but tossing the knife. I don't know what the word prototypical means, and big words threaten me general, so that much might just be on me

I think this makes his samu suspicion appear very flimsy. "Big words scary" amounts to nothing at all, and is not quite the same as the initial "word salad" accusation. The goalposts have been moved.

Spoiler: show

You just used the word prototypical. This is some syergistic corporate megalamanic viscerlony baloney my friend

get rid of the words and you get "yeah, uhhh no me? no u!! anyways wifom anyone?"

I dont understand this post.

I was saying that I thought your post was wordy, and that it was wordy to hide your straight forward point that could make things more confusing later on.. Now that I know about the language gap, I still think that your take is sus, but i'm putting less weight into word choice

dropping this wifom mess, and dropping a vote on [VOTE: samusamu] aubergine

The goalposts are moved again. We started out with "word salad." Then it became "big words scary." Now he throws out the linguistic aspect of it entirely to say "your take is sus." Made has offered no opinion on any particular takes of samu's other than to generalize that his posts are confusing. When he was made aware of the language gap, he nodded at it as if it made a difference in his read, but instead of actually applying the new information and adjusting accordingly, Made just slid around it and voiced a new and unrelated reason to suspect Samu in stride. This is a Bad Look.

Spoiler: show

Ahh wait, i can change my vote now.

[VOTE: Cat] aubergine

Dont like fluff posters

What do you think about sloonei?

What do you think about sloonei?

Hekkatown

Moving along, I do not know what the point of Made asking Samu for a read on me here was. I had previously told Made to his face that I suspected him in response to a direct question, but he did not acknowledge me at all. Instead, he asked samu for a read on me several hours later. I wanted him to answer his own question, and he slapped a town read on me, which is interesting because the extent of our interaction in the game prior to this was a generic prod question from Made, a juicy answer from Sloonei, and zero follow-up from Made.

I thought Made's responses to my interrogation afterward felt a bit flat, like he was trying to project confidence against my pressure:

Spoiler: show

What do you think about sloonei?

Hekkatown

Why?

I like the cut of ya jib, not really see an angle for a bad paprika generally, and ur defense of samu enough sense to be genuine

I think you are mafia. Thoughts?

Kinda don’t believe you, so will see where that goes, but are entitled to your onion mr. paprika. I’m town, so

Why would I lie if I'm town?

reaction gauging imo, kinda “scumy” in a literal sense but it has utility, and I don’t have reason distrust that yet

What makes you think my suspicion of you is “reaction gauging”, @Made?

I “don’t” but it feels more likely that ur testing my loyalty to the civvie cause than any baddie angles I can think of anyways.

I am loyal to the court, my friend.

(Plus you just said you’re looking for [Something] so...)

I have trouble understanding the progression of these thoughts. Made says that he believes I am simply testing him for reactions, which means my suspicion is false, which is "scummy but has utility", but then he distinctly doesn't think I'm reaction testing, but that I'm "testing his loyalty" (???). None of this computes over here, and each response feels like it's meant more to appease me than to actually progress the dialogue to a place of understanding. Sometimes (not all the time) when I start digging deep into somebody like this, our back-and-forth will take the shape of an organic dialogue, and ideas will grow/expand out of it, and that's usually a sign of a good townie.
With Made, I ask a question and his answers are short, definitive, closed off. They go nowhere. They feel like obstacles, and he doesn't want there to be any more follow-up questions.

[Sloonei]

Also end of day is really early. the cat wagon feels under developed, and I don’t like samu’s vote there. where are people on mewtini?? Wilgy???

Wilgy’s iso is bad. like really really bad

[VOTE: DrWilgy] aubergine feels like a more intentional cat, but somehow more airry

@Sloonei I thought this series of posts was sincere. I also think Wilgy's scum, and this is a great look for Made if I'm wrong.

what looks sincere about it?

Their thought process was transparent, and I understand and agree with it.

I do not see anything in these posts that would not be very easy, almost instinctual, for a mafia member to fake.

[Sloonei]

On the surface, Syn could be derpcleared for not knowing about the mafia nightkill (or lack of a standard one), however, he did have this interaction with sig on Day 1.

Spoiler: show

I really don't get why everyone here seems to not give a damn about the gift function.

It's literally a second lynch if used properly, if used improperly it'll totally fuck up town. We already know mafia can only give it to themselves once. Which means town is instantly at an advantage if we force this conversation into the open it takes all the power from the mafia for every phase except for one

Somebody explain to me why this isn't something we should be focused on

I don't actually think this is important enough to coordinate over

Most people go for a POE shot anyway

I will generally agree that maybe wolves wouldn't want hero shots going off, but POE clearing is also something they wouldn't want

more importantly, our debating about optimal gift play will directly influence wolf planning, as inevitably someone will "figure it out" and hand the optimal strategy to the wolves on a silver platter

Since he engaged in some conversation around the game mechanics, I'd assume he would've had some idea of what they entailed.

that is actually in my favour since my position only makes sense in a NK + gift kill world

Could you clarify what your initial understanding of the mechanics was?

[Sloonei]

mewtini's EoD 1:

Spoiler: show

meant to make it on earlier, forgot that EoD was at 5,

i'm quickly skimming through right now. what's the case on cat, i thought they were just jokeposting?? or has something changed? before getting caught up/isoing i don't think that that slot is especially scummy or provides much info

and clarifying this because multiple people seem to be misunderstanding it

in particular because of how early into the phase it was
felt like priming to me even though i think i agree it is a town-important thing to talk about at some point, esp considering that it's unholsterable; setting up an inactive kill felt like a strange move right out of the gate

quickly noting here that i don't play by making true scumreads on d1

...so you make false scum reads? what you mean??

i focus on building a towncore d1 and general observation
i'll push on others and ofc i'll have my suspicions, but Making Hard Scumreads on d1 just locks me into an early hunting mindset that hasn't been that beneficial for me in the past. by "true" i mean "solid" or focused, it just isn't where my mind is on d1

~13 minutes to deadline. Token catch-up post. Asks for information on Cat. Implies some awareness, token dismissal of the wagon.

Spoiler: show

like it baffles me that relatively few posts in people were calling out "strong" town or scumreads, esp the latter
but i guess that's just meta diff

~11 minutes to deadline. Follow up on meta observations. Unrelated to EoD activity.

Spoiler: show

ok NOW i have isod cat

and i don't want to lynch there lol. anyone got an 11th hour counterwagon they wanna jump on with me, that preferably isn't wilgy (on tone i'd rather kill wilgy than cat, but the coal n0 makes me want to just leave him alone,)

~8 minutes to deadline. ISO'd cat in 3 minutes, came to the conclusion that they're town. Blanket opposition to wagon. Generic search for a counterwagon that's also not wilgy. No stated reason for any read on cat.

Spoiler: show

i have like, a tinfoil cat/wilgy association read (not on tmi like people were saying earlier lmao) but i don't actually think either looks scummy independently and am not sure how other people got to that conclusion on cat. i think d1 jokeposting is a bad reason/~excuse to SR want someone dead

also cat has made actual pushes that made sense to me

hrrrgh 3 min left

~3 minutes to deadline. Introduces a tinfoil theory that links each of the two players she just defended in the previous post. What was mewtini doing in the last 5 minutes? She evidently dislikes all the options on the board as the clock is running out, but I see no evidence that she's actually trying to find another option.

Spoiler: show

ok NOW i have isod cat

and i don't want to lynch there lol. anyone got an 11th hour counterwagon they wanna jump on with me, that preferably isn't wilgy (on tone i'd rather kill wilgy than cat, but the coal n0 makes me want to just leave him alone,)

i'm torn on Wilgy and Cat, both have said questionable things. Cat's post which Wilgy pointed out is a bit TMI and it wasn't ever addressed.

i guess i didn't go with the tmi explanation because it seemed so blatant? and early? not an organic slip or anything

~2 minutes to deadline. I don't know what specific post this is referring to. I don't know what it means. I don't know what mewtini's position on wilgy is. This feels like it wants to be both favorable and unfavorable. She had previously expressed a very hedgy "don't want to vote wilgy" stance.

Spoiler: show

[VOTE: DrWilgy] aubergine

mrgle

i have like, a tinfoil cat/wilgy association read (not on tmi like people were saying earlier lmao) but i don't actually think either looks scummy independently and am not sure how other people got to that conclusion on cat. i think d1 jokeposting is a bad reason/~excuse to SR want someone dead

also cat has made actual pushes that made sense to me

hrrrgh 3 min left

I'd switch to wilgy if you want to?

only saw this after i voted. lets go

~1 minute to deadline. A vote for wilgy, vocal support of a bandwagon there. After vocally opposing it 7 minutes ago.

mewtini never talked about any names other than cat and wilgy during her deadline window. She did not engage in much ongoing discussion at all.

I was not present for EoD, and it does not look like it was the most active deadline of all time, but mewtini's activity looks distinctly complacent, which is not at all backed up by her words. She gives the appearance of a player who is hungry to shake things up, but in actuality she's just kind of hanging out.

[Syn]

On the surface, Syn could be derpcleared for not knowing about the mafia nightkill (or lack of a standard one), however, he did have this interaction with sig on Day 1.

Spoiler: show

I really don't get why everyone here seems to not give a damn about the gift function.

It's literally a second lynch if used properly, if used improperly it'll totally fuck up town. We already know mafia can only give it to themselves once. Which means town is instantly at an advantage if we force this conversation into the open it takes all the power from the mafia for every phase except for one

Somebody explain to me why this isn't something we should be focused on

I don't actually think this is important enough to coordinate over

Most people go for a POE shot anyway

I will generally agree that maybe wolves wouldn't want hero shots going off, but POE clearing is also something they wouldn't want

more importantly, our debating about optimal gift play will directly influence wolf planning, as inevitably someone will "figure it out" and hand the optimal strategy to the wolves on a silver platter

Since he engaged in some conversation around the game mechanics, I'd assume he would've had some idea of what they entailed.

that is actually in my favour since my position only makes sense in a NK + gift kill world

Could you clarify what your initial understanding of the mechanics was?

Chop + NK + Gift Kill

[Sloonei]

Cat (4): grand scheme, samu, sloon, sig
Sig (3): alison, syn, Kyle
Wilgy (2): mewtini, made
Made (1): cat
Not voting (2): wilgy (coaled), falcon

interesting. Mewtini and sig talk about voting for wilgy at EoD. Mewtini follows through. Sig remains on cat. From mewtini's posts alone, you'd never even ascertain that sig was an option.

[Sloonei]

This post is pretty townie.

why? the tmi comment? since i see you're doubting Made atm

Kyle/mewtini, I'm having the hardest time reading you two. Weigh in on sig vs samu, please.

think samu is clear town for energy and genuineness. also appreciated him trying to preserve thread direction and eventually saying "maybe sig is just aggravated town," felt like he was acting in good faith

reluctant to slap a scumlean on sig out of personal policy (which is that it's d1 and i want to see more before SLing anyone); i think i'm sideeyeing made more at the moment, actually. sig's recent posting feels more genuine / less wordtwisty than earlier posting did (need to reread later, the language boundary was i think a nonnegligible part of it + made was a bit more strange about it than necessary)

i'm curious about any metareads that anyone else may have on made/sig tbh. i also find it pretty difficult to read much of anything from the current lowposters, e.g. i'm wondering where the syn reads are coming from

Mewtini is asked directly to weigh in on sig and samu. She slaps a firm town read on samu, and waffles on sig ("reluctant to slap a scumlean on sig... sig's recent posting feels more genuine" and then plucks Made's name out of the ether to present him as a suspect. Mewtini never again makes any acknowledgement of Made being a suspect. Made had a vote at eod (from Cat) and could have been a very doable alternative wagon to cat + wilgy.

[Sloonei]

I am currently very comfortable voting for either mewtini or Made.

[Sloonei]

If mewtini is mafia, I think sig becomes a viable suspect. I read sig town on his own, though, so I'm not inclined to call him a suspect while mewtini's alignment is unknown.

I suspect mewtini and Made independently and feel that there is evidence of them also being partnered.

[Kylemii]

hey when does this day phase end, is it today or tomorrow

[Sloonei]

hey when does this day phase end, is it today or tomorrow

Tomorrow

[Samusamu]

my big brain theory is that alison was NK'd because she's a strong thread presence who is active and that'd be bad (to the wolves) in a world of low posters

Of the people who claimed to have shot Alison, who do you think did it?

And by who do you think did it, I mean who in that group do you think is mafia, and gifted themselves the kill?

I see no reason to believe they gifted themselves the kill, seems suboptimal

Doesn't your big brain theory suggest that mafia gifted themselves though in order to NK her?

Xd

[Sloonei]

It’s been over an hour since I laid out my suspicions and no one has told me how great they are yet. I need validation for Christmas.

[Samusamu]

I have reviewed the end of day 1. i do not like mewtini's activity.

I also dont like it.

[Samusamu]

Quick read list atm in no order

Town
Sloonie
Lc
Mew

Town lean
Made
Samu
Syn

Null
Falcon


Scum lean
Kyle
Wilgy
Cat

Scum
Alison

sig my boy, we disagree in several points. Could you explain as many of these reads as possible?

Well, i dont see sig maf with that reads.

Only bad reads.

[Samusamu]

I really think DrWilgy and Syn are teammates and we should chop one of those two today.

At the moment they arent transparent with their reads i dont care chopping they.

[Samusamu]

This post is pretty townie.

why? the tmi comment? since i see you're doubting Made atm

Kyle/mewtini, I'm having the hardest time reading you two. Weigh in on sig vs samu, please.

think samu is clear town for energy and genuineness. also appreciated him trying to preserve thread direction and eventually saying "maybe sig is just aggravated town," felt like he was acting in good faith

reluctant to slap a scumlean on sig out of personal policy (which is that it's d1 and i want to see more before SLing anyone); i think i'm sideeyeing made more at the moment, actually. sig's recent posting feels more genuine / less wordtwisty than earlier posting did (need to reread later, the language boundary was i think a nonnegligible part of it + made was a bit more strange about it than necessary)

i'm curious about any metareads that anyone else may have on made/sig tbh. i also find it pretty difficult to read much of anything from the current lowposters, e.g. i'm wondering where the syn reads are coming from

Mewtini is asked directly to weigh in on sig and samu. She slaps a firm town read on samu, and waffles on sig ("reluctant to slap a scumlean on sig... sig's recent posting feels more genuine" and then plucks Made's name out of the ether to present him as a suspect. Mewtini never again makes any acknowledgement of Made being a suspect. Made had a vote at eod (from Cat) and could have been a very doable alternative wagon to cat + wilgy.

I noddle with this.

[Samusamu]

It’s been over an hour since I laid out my suspicions and no one has told me how great they are yet. I need validation for Christmas.

Good job?

[Sloonei]

It’s been over an hour since I laid out my suspicions and no one has told me how great they are yet. I need validation for Christmas.

Good job?

Aw thanks samu. So sweet of you to say.

[Made]

Now @Syn i'm being imperative saying to you to do a 3vs3.

what's a 3vs3?

[Syn]

Now @Syn i'm being imperative saying to you to do a 3vs3.

what's a 3vs3?

I'm assuming three town, three wolves

maybe?

[Made]

Mr. Sloonei, what's ur take on Syn?

[Sloonei]

Mr. Sloonei, what's ur take on Syn?

Sheeping Alison’s town read on him. They were mafia teammates in Simpsons not too long ago and she said he’s very different here than he was there.

I think this is my first time actually playing in a game with Syn. I hosted Simpsons but didn’t follow it astutely enough to note any particulars about Grampa Synson’s play.

[Made]

Ms. Syn same question but for sloonei.