The Syndicate

And I've noticed you're still hanging out in my illegible garden.

thellama73 wrote:
Metalmarsh89 wrote: I can also understand the frustration of llama. He seems like a good player, which means if he's civ, there's a good chance he'll be NK'd early on in every game.
I actually rarely get NKed because everyone knows that I am likely to be lynched, so am a good distraction from the real baddies.

Oops, I guess I was part of the reason in this game, huh.

But you proved the guilt of another player, so all was not lost.

DharmaHelper wrote:
Metalmarsh89 wrote:So if we die we are unable to win???

See if I ever throw myself under the bus again. Not that I did in this game, but I did in Harry Potter.
Usually I consider a civvie win a win for everybody who was a civ.

I would tend to agree. Civs already seem to have a hard enough time winning on this site without having to survive to the finish. This is my fifth game on this site and the first one where the civs won.

I can also understand the frustration of llama. He seems like a good player, which means if he's civ, there's a good chance he'll be NK'd early on in every game.

So if we die we are unable to win???

See if I ever throw myself under the bus again. Not that I did in this game, but I did in Harry Potter.

bea wrote:Forgive my freekout - I've been drinking and prolly should go to bed soon.

You're being Irish again.

FZ. wrote:As for DH, he voted for the wrong people the entire game, but so did Sorsha, which we now know was a civvie, so that means nothing.
Do you remember who MM voted for when we lynched Elo?

I missed that vote.

insertnamehere wrote: Note that in none of the reasons I listed to why I find you suspicious, I didn't mention this. This is because I try to look at the game objectively. Even if a guy is campaigning after lynching me hard, I'm still going to give them an objective review not factoring any suspicions towards me into it.

Yes, you have been objective here of late, which is why you listed being unsure of everyone, and seemed to pick one of those out to target (that being me). Your reasons next to DH and myself have the same overall idea, but yet I am the one. Why so?

insertnamehere wrote:Metalmarsh

MM is the most under the radar quiet player in the game right now. Looking over his post history for the game, he was one of the people who rushed Llama out of the game, and then subtly defended SVS until he couldn't anymore. He missed a few polls exactly when he needed to, and other then that has been mostly a ghost. He's the guy that I find most suspicious, and who I am probably going to vote for tomorrow.

Is that because I listed you as my top suspect the other day?

My apologies to everyone for missing Day 6 entirely. I was out camping, and though I thought I'd be able to make it online to vote, I misjudged. But I'm back now, and with plenty of time to do work.

^^^Likewise for INH.

I'm pretty certain I know who Burlge is at this point, and but I also doubt that it matters now that Willow is gone.

I don't have much time today, but I'll be putting my vote on Kate.

I'm surprised birdwithteeth is still a piggy. I wonder if TH was Fin Raziel, but I also think we had deduced that he was Franjean.

Dear Mr. Host, do piggies still count as active players? I.E. do they still count as part of the civ population?

FZ. wrote:
Metalmarsh89 wrote:
Kate wrote:Are we sure this is a good thing?
No idea. Another reason for voting INH.
Are you saying he's your least trusted?

Yes. It's doubtful that all three baddies voted Dom on day 1, which would clear you and Kate (and birdwithteeth of course). That leaves juliets (Andrew), bea, DH, INH, Sorsha, and myself. SVS was being defensive early in the game and was called out for it. In response, she attempted to make a case on INH here. This could be seen as distancing.

To be fair though, I have not looked at any of the other players on the above list.

Kate wrote:Are we sure this is a good thing?

No idea. Another reason for voting INH.

I voted INH because he seems like he would get road rage.

bea wrote:crap - I'm so sorry I missed the vote. And apparently the night. (not sure what happened there) I woke up late today and bdh was hogging the pc when I did get up.

I thought the lynch ended closer to 3:30.

I was under that impression too, but that was Day 3's lynch time.

The day start post was at 2:27, so you like myself just missed it.

Sorry for missing the vote everyone. I was locked out of my car and only just got on.

I thought I was going to make it too.

So you think it's just BS then? That's the only way I see that being bad. So unless that is the case, I don't see how Kate could be bad. And I agree that elo seems to be the next best option.

insertnamehere wrote:
juliets wrote:So INH can you share any more than that with us without outing yourself?
This is going to sound like vague bull, but unless I was blocked yesterday, I think that a certain player who I don't want to possibly out is the role that Kate is claiming. There's roughly a 41% chance.

That's better then the 1/9 chance with Kate.

I think I see what is going on. I'm willing to vote Kate, but is there any chance you could expound on this a bit? As in, why do you think there's a decent chance Kate has the role you imagine?

FZ. wrote:Bea,
to answer your question, I just looked at Burglekutt's role description:

The bully landlord. Each Night, he can command two people to vote the same person the next Day. If Burglekutt isn’t satisfied (the person didn’t get lynched), he may steal the Night power of either of his targets for the Next night. Wins by surviving so long as Willow and Bavmorda are both dead.

According to this, we're looking at two people having to vote for the same person. Looking at other roles, there might be people who can be saved from the forcing, if they're protected, so maybe in some of the votes we only have one voter. Also, I don't think he has any knowledge on who is a baddie and who isn't.
So basically it boils down to the type of player. If it's a person who likes being a civvie, he'll force people to who he thinks the baddies are and vice verse. Still he needs to get two people out to win, so it gets more complicated. Bottom line, I'm back to having nothing

A question to you all about NIH. You know his game style. How likely is it, that he and SVS, knowing the sucky situation she was in, decided that going after each other would help him look good later on? Is he the kind of player to do that sort of thing, or is it more likely that he is actually a civvie and has been on the right track all along?

Since Bavmorda is dead, he now only needs to get Willow killed to win. Outside of a lynch, the odds there are going to be kind of slim with all the protective roles we have now, so my guess is that he will start sending his voters after the most townie players. This will make things very difficult from now on because that also means we can't just assume those players are bad if their votes are questionable. This is what I've deduced anyway.

insertnamehere wrote:Although I would like to state that I would love to win the prize. I'm somewhat of a confirmed civ, so that prize would be very nice to have. Also, linki on DH's post. I'm changing my vote to Sorsha.

Did I miss something here? SVS' vote on you does not confirm you as civ.

insertnamehere wrote:There's a fair chance I'm going to be NK'd tonight, so if anybody has any questions, or would like to protect me, that would be much appreciated.

Don't talk like that, no one's going to die tonight. Kills only happen on even nights. With SVS gone, no one will turn into a pig either.

I'm not a great drinker, don't vote for me.

No more dogs and no more pigs. At least we still have sheep.

Nice work TH and llama. Looks like you really did have her sniffed out from the start.

I'm late getting back on, but I'm voting for SVS as well.

Or Burglekutt is getting involved, of course, it's hard to tell. I'm gonna wait until the deadline to vote and gather my thoughts some more.

Three quick votes on Kate. Don't know why I'm worried. I guess players are making sure to get their votes in this time?

DharmaHelper wrote:
Metalmarsh89 wrote:
DharmaHelper wrote:Kate is somebody that I am very interested in re-reading and perhaps voting for. Something about her uber-aggressive response to llama seems off.
I just thought she took something personally that wasn't directed at her. Yes it was aggressive, but I don't think it was game-related.
That's just one piece of the puzzle though.

I'll leave it to you then. I'm not familiar with everyone's meta.

DharmaHelper wrote:Kate is somebody that I am very interested in re-reading and perhaps voting for. Something about her uber-aggressive response to llama seems off.

I just thought she took something personally that wasn't directed at her. Yes it was aggressive, but I don't think it was game-related.

Dear host. Who was it that saved the prisoner last night?

^^^Scratch that. I hadn't read TH's last couple posts. Maybe she really was just getting rid of the town's strongest asset even if it meant her death. Still hard to say. I'll sleep on that one.

I hope we can get some good discussion today. The loss of TH is a big blow.

Don't know how I feel about SVS being bad now. I think it more likely that the baddies are trying to paint her in the black today with the killing of Turnip Head.

I voted bea for the reward. I'm going off the main grid and voting someone who seems generally trustworthy.

Turnip Head wrote:I've literally been sneaking mafia breaks every few minutes at work. I think I'm addicted. This is not a healthy obsession especially when I usually end up getting lynched anyway >.<

Sounds like we need to lynch you just to save your job. :P

thellama73 wrote:
Metalmarsh89 wrote: Why are you afraid that you will be the target?

Metalmarsh89 wrote:Anyway, I'm voting llama.
That's why.

I wanted to see SVS' reaction too.

Anyway, I'm voting llama. I don't feel comfortable on either SVS or TH, and there aren't really any other options at the moment.

thellama73 wrote:I am getting nervous about how few people have voted. If there is a sudden rush to save SVS and I end up dying, I hope the rest of you will realize why.

Why are you afraid that you will be the target?

Turnip Head wrote:
Metalmarsh89 wrote:
Turnip Head wrote:All I've done this game is express my suspicions. You can disagree with my suspicions, but I don't see how expressing them makes me a baddie. It makes me a civ who is actually trying.
Anything that makes a civ makes a very good baddie.
Well then how am I supposed to play?

Am I just supposed to keep my mouth shut?

Off-topic - I do wonder why so many people on this site like to state and drop hints that they are civvie. I just find it a little redundant sometimes. Everyone's supposed to be acting civvie (almost always). Anyway, that's why I said that.

Back on task. - Just do whatever the heck you want and I'll vote you if I don't like it.

FZ. wrote:
thellama73 wrote:
FZ. wrote:I'd be happy if someone answered me. Do people here tend to throw their scum buddies under the bus or do they tend to save them even when when it puts them at risk?
We see plenty of both.
Thanks, I just wonder, if SVS is really the baddie you believe her to be, wouldn't one of her buddies vote for her by now since she's getting so much heat?

Probably, if she is bad.

Then again, the votes are piling on llama and TH instead, the two instigators. I'm trying to figure out if that would make SVS more or less bad.

FZ. wrote:Isn't it funny that more than a few people are finding TH and llama suspicious for going so strongly after SVS, yet she doesn't? Hmm, I wonder what to make of that. Maybe, that they are actually right?

Then, there's INH who voted SVS and she said she was suspicious of them. Looks a little like they might be working together and trying to distance themselves.

Who did Metalmarsh say he was suspicious of and who did he vote for yesterday?

I self-voted yesterday, didn't have time to read the thread before the poll ended. To be honest, I probably would have voted for dom as well if I had a little more time to read.

Turnip Head wrote:All I've done this game is express my suspicions. You can disagree with my suspicions, but I don't see how expressing them makes me a baddie. It makes me a civ who is actually trying.

Anything that makes a civ makes a very good baddie.

I also think the baddie save possibility is a bit far-fetched and unfounded. Dom expressed some suspicion of SVS, but just because he's good doesn't make SVS bad. I think the suspicion of dom was more justifiable, even if he did flip good.

thellama73 wrote:I am convinced that what we saw yesterday was a baddie rescue squad on SVS. She took two early votes, and then everyone piled on Dom with very little explanation. If I am right (and I think I am) this was a huge blunder on their part. It would have been better to throw SVS under the bus than make such a transparent attempt at saving her. I am holding onto my vote for now, but it will almost certainly go to SVS again.

I urge the rest of you to do the same.

What say you about Kate and FZ then? If it was a baddie save as you think, SVS most certainly couldn't have done it alone.

thellama73 wrote:
Elohcin wrote:
DharmaHelper wrote:Shame about BwT
Ditto. :/
Yeah, but no night kill is good news indeed. Don't worry BWT, my friend, we will avenge you!

Well, I should hope there wasn't. Not if I'm reading the roles correctly anyway.

thellama73 wrote:
Metalmarsh89 wrote:
thellama73 wrote:I am voting for Turnip Head. I think he is one of the few people in this thread thinking logically.
I don't think I'm seeing what you see. Please explain.

Anyway, I voted myself. I can handle a satchel of acorns.
TH saw through SVS' charade (ha ha, charade you are!) and correctly stated thta the killers of Dom had better get their filthy mitts off his acorns. Seems worthy of a vote to me.

Can't say I agree about the SVS thing. But I agree about the (very bizzare it was) Dom lynch, and opted for a different vote option for the acorns. I may not be everyone's friendly, neighborhood turnip head, but I'd like the acorns. I may change my vote if I feel inclined to keep them from someone else though.

Epignosis wrote:(ha ha, charade you are!)

Anyone turned into a pig will have this by their name, by the way.

You ****** ** old ***.

thellama73 wrote:I am voting for Turnip Head. I think he is one of the few people in this thread thinking logically.

I don't think I'm seeing what you see. Please explain.

Anyway, I voted myself. I can handle a satchel of acorns.

Sorry, I don't have time to read up at the moment so I opted to self-vote rather than random. I can assure you that I did not let any dogs out.

thellama73 wrote:See what happens when you trust children? Death dogs.

It's astonishing how infrequently people listen to me.

I had that same feeling last game. Pretty rotten.

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