The Syndicate

Link please

well I guess I better put the "Oops! All Silencers!" themed mafia game I was planning in the fucking trash :/

I mean as long as the physics are outlined from the beginning anything goes.

MovingPictures07 wrote: ↑Wed Nov 15, 2017 12:39 pm Don't let the game slipping away from you all keep you from seeing what you did right as well, because town looked good at the start of this game.

Well lesson #1 is that I'm never going to shy away from forcing ties on day 1

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Wed Nov 15, 2017 2:18 pm Yeah that's an error. I one of those should be someone else. I can't remember.

Hurtful, and also rude.

I agree with LC's thoughts on the double targetting thing, mainly cus that's how it's always been in communities I've been a part of.

The wifom will-they-won't-they shit is the most important part of the doctor role and it's also why the doctor is so important as a role, and honestly the most interesting part of choosing a kill as mafia. With double targeting kill rules the mafia has to consider whether their target might be protected. Without it that stress is still there but worst case scenario, second times a charm right? It give you incentive to find and kill the doctor that you wouldn't have had before as mafia.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Wed Nov 15, 2017 12:33 pm Spacedaisy protects kylemii
Spacedaisy protects Kylemii

Awww thanks

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Nov 14, 2017 12:03 pm~ The no lynch at 5 vs 2 was the worst-possible strategic move for the civilians when it occurred. Any lynch available, even of a civilian, would have been better in that situation.

The good news is I can only go upwards from here.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Mon Nov 13, 2017 9:00 pm
Kylemii wrote: ↑Wed Nov 01, 2017 6:03 pm
MovingPictures07 wrote: ↑Wed Nov 01, 2017 5:57 pm
Kylemii wrote: ↑Wed Nov 01, 2017 5:55 pm definitely not cool with the Wilgy train, what's this about?
Why aren't you cool with it?
a sudden surge of "lynch the guy who talks weird" after all the discussion we've had today? how could anyone be cool with that
Best civilian post in the game

Yeah good thing I definitely followed through on that instead of forgetting about it until now

speedchuck wrote: ↑Mon Nov 13, 2017 8:39 pm
Kylemii wrote: ↑Mon Nov 13, 2017 8:34 pm Even though I'm pretty sure I singlehandedly lost the game for everyone by being really bad at everything I enjoyed this game a lot and it was a pretty good reintroduction back into games.
You did good. Had a correct read on me for most of the game. I'll look forward to playing with you again.

Same here.

Hey Speedchuck, did you talk me into the no lynch knowing it would be the most advantageous for you?

Speedchuck did a really great job of staying just exactly on peoples radar but not front and center.

I was actually convinced that Jack wasn't mafia because he wasn't coasting. What a bizarre line of reasoning. Why would I assume he wouldn't work hard

I mean I think we all helped a little.

And I guess I shouldn't give myself too much credit.... If I had died then Jack or speedchuck still probably would have won

Even though I'm pretty sure I singlehandedly lost the game for everyone by being really bad at everything I enjoyed this game a lot and it was a pretty good reintroduction back into games.

Thank you Sloonei and Jay for hosting

speedchuck wrote: ↑Mon Nov 13, 2017 8:26 pm
Kylemii wrote: ↑Mon Nov 13, 2017 8:22 pm Mafia is Speedchuck and Jack

I will never trust either of you again.

but good work and congrats!

Mafia is Speedchuck and Jack

Hey? Sorry? What? Fuck?

no vote from sig

*vote no lynch* by the way

Kylemii wrote: ↑Mon Nov 13, 2017 7:19 pm
DDL-cBob : wildcard, cBobs only concrete actions so far in this game were to vote no lynch and save my life and to accuse DDL of being mafia, would make a pretty cool gambit. No. What the fuck. How would that even work. This is a bad pairing. Ignore this one.

Although accusing and voting for DDL when he's not in danger of being lynched isn't technically super risky. Idk. It's still less likely but it's not trashcan worthy.

Sig-Speedchuck: my favorite, speedchuck has had at least a passive hand in a few of the lynches so far, including suggesting Wilgy as an alternative to MP and DDL or Quin or whoever was up for lynch. Sig because of the things I just mentioned a couple posts ago.

Speedchuck-cbob : they tricked me into living and I'm mad about it.

DDL-cBob : wildcard, cBobs only concrete actions so far in this game were to vote no lynch and save my life and to accuse DDL of being mafia, would make a pretty cool gambit. No. What the fuck. How would that even work. This is a bad pairing. Ignore this one.

Sig-DDL: went pretty hard at each other day 1 and gained a lot of attention for it. It's unlikely.

sig-cbob?

idk. sig dropped off the planet before Cbob even was born on it so it's hard to say.

Sig-Speedchuck

Speedchuck-cbob

DDL-cBob

I think if Jack is mafia then he's put an incredible amount of work into not looking like it.

A mafia Jack would be able to at this point coast into a boring but easy win with minimal effort.

As a point of data Sig's activity also fell off following MP's death, with the explanation of army stuff. I've seen mafia lose interest in game after the death of their most active teammate.

sig wrote: ↑Thu Nov 02, 2017 7:43 pm
Quin wrote: ↑Tue Oct 31, 2017 11:13 pm
sig wrote: ↑Tue Oct 31, 2017 10:23 pm Switched to NewTraditionalist until they post.

I didn't read Kyle's post as that odd or pingy.

I figured MP was messing/flirting with you over that vote Daisy, I'm surprised you're taking it that way.

I've got nothing else to add besides the fact that I think either DDL or LC is bad, but not both. The other baddies are either semi active or inactive I believe. I must be off for the time, but I'll be back tomorrow.
I don't understand how you can form an assumption like this on Day 1. Does this mean you're currently town-reading all the other active players?
It's a general idea/gut read and notice I did name two players who could be mafia who are active. Plus i'd say from a statistical point of view there's a good chance I'm right.

dunya wrote: ↑Wed Nov 01, 2017 2:11 pm People I'd be willing to lynch today in order:

Kyle - I appreciate the excuse of being rusty (me too dude, apart from Seinfeld I played here, and the few days I was alive in Street Fighter mafia, I haven't played in aaaages). Still, something strikes me as insincere. Something strikes me as being mafia and trying to hard to be townie. Something strikes me as playing it too safe and trying to appear purposely unknowledgeable. I stand by it. Even yesterdays "rainbow list and reads" were like a mafia coverup trying to keep everyone somewhat happy because you're taking initiative and making an effort so to keep them at bay. Didn't like it.

MovingPicture - I want to say your dissertation is reason of your absence. But you have people suspecting you. Townie you would be going bonkers at this point. You haven't made a suspect list. Your contributions day 1 were out there, but timid. Every time someone answered a query, you said you were happy with that explanation. Where are you? Why aren't you probing harder? Why are you encouraging a Day 1 no-poster lynch?

Quin - wishy washy. Had him down as semi-town. Participation has dwindled down quite noticeably and I wonder if that's in part due to fear of being eliminated since some heat was thrown his way, and wanting to show up at the eleventh hour to cast a vote. Seems too obvious, so I don't like it. Prove me wrong.
This strikes me as more townie MP. Whenever I've played with him and he's scum he is very suptown, I find it more likely to believe he's busy. This was also a main reason behind my vote.

sig wrote: ↑Wed Nov 01, 2017 5:00 pm Can't talk in class will explain vote later

Okay so, this was partly my bad. I thought the poll was about to close, saw a tie, and made a snap decision. At this point I still believed MP was more civvie then Quin and a few of Quin's posts had pinged me. As I continue to catch up I'll see how my opinion changes, but I was confident in my vote at that time and believed Quin was more likely to be bad then MP.

MovingPictures07 wrote: ↑Wed Nov 01, 2017 5:34 pm Perhaps I'm finding it hard to be objective on Kyle because I'm just so happy to have him back around and really don't want to lynch the guy on D1 of his first game back when he's been dying to play a game. I should throw that sentiment out to the window, but I can't seem to be able to.

OOO I don't like this post at all.

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Wed Nov 01, 2017 5:48 pm Ok Im still here.

I dont like this day end.

I dont like how quin and mp are not voting each oter.

Cfd on wilgy guys?
I want to lynch DDL, for this alone. There is no good reason to CFD onto Wilgy.

At this point I believe the votes were split between Quin, MP, and DDL this is the second CFD I sense shenanigans.

I forgot that this happened. I remember back at the time it seemed weird to me that sig had left for class but then returned to change his vote to Quin while MP was at risk

sig wrote: ↑Sat Nov 04, 2017 7:31 pm Nice job! I knew my original paranoia was right. :P

I think this clears quite a few players and I think this sets up tomorrow's kybxh very nicely. I'd think quin due to mp refusing to lynch vote him and vice versa, this also pretty much clears LC and daisy into

Which puts this post-MP death post in a pretty odd light, i don't believe sig had a vote on any of the at risk players at the end of day 2, am I missing something?

Or not likely but plausible

Okay so what are even the likely pairs of mafia at this point?

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Mon Nov 13, 2017 4:41 pm @Kylemii

Suppose DDL is bad. Who would you pick as his most likely buddy. Speed?

If DDL is bad I would say that speedchuck is an unlikely ally barring some especially nutsy moves over a long period of time. But maybe I'm wrong about that? I feel like a lot of this game has been about breaking down my reliance on meta that is no longer relevant.

I feel like of the current players, if DDL bad, then his most likely allies are you, cbob, and Sig.

Sig remains to be a fucking danger pile, he doesn't seem to be connected to anyone or anything

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Mon Nov 13, 2017 4:06 pm
Kylemii wrote: ↑Mon Nov 13, 2017 3:53 pm @Dragon D. Luffy okay I meant to elaborate on that before pressing send

My question is why adopt such a lax attitude
What lax attitude?

I picked a criterium for lynching and i'm using it.

I think that no lynch was the most anti-town event to happen in the entire game so I'm betting there is a baddie among those who did it.

And bob hasn't done much all game so I'm fine with this lynch.

That covers most of what I'm talking about but "fine with his lynch" doesn't seem like enough conviction for this critical point in the game

But then again it's not like you just voted and scampered off your still here with us so the point is a little bit moot

[mention]Dragon D. Luffy[/mention] okay I meant to elaborate on that before pressing send

My question is why adopt such a lax attitude

Kylemii wrote: ↑Mon Nov 13, 2017 3:36 pm
colonialbob wrote: ↑Mon Nov 13, 2017 3:33 pm I had moved Kyle into townie read status, but d3/n3 moves him back down. Don't like the "throw down a vote and come back hour before EOD" bit. Perhaps that's more common here?
I'm not even from here.

I mean more specifically my mafia play patterns and habits were born in a different ecosystem than the currently active one.

But also I think a large part of the reason I left was that I used to hyperfocus on mafia to the point that it would stress me out. I've been resolving to take breaks and do other things more often so it doesn't ever get to that point.

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Sun Nov 12, 2017 9:14 pm I want to lynch one of the no lynch people and Bob is the only one I've never read as a civ.

Going to go with him for now.

I'm actually a little curious about this. What are you doing?

colonialbob wrote: ↑Mon Nov 13, 2017 3:33 pm I had moved Kyle into townie read status, but d3/n3 moves him back down. Don't like the "throw down a vote and come back hour before EOD" bit. Perhaps that's more common here?

I'm not even from here.

speedchuck wrote: ↑Mon Nov 13, 2017 1:07 pm Kylemii - I'm not going to lay any blame here for being tricked into mathematical no-lynch. I was confused, stupid, inconsistent. I do recommend reading the context, though.
Kyle has been consistently earnest and also nearly consistently inconsistent on the wrong side of things. For example, this no-lynch. After the fact, he says that DDL and me are his biggest suspects. That makes zero sense with his actions. I suggested we change the lynch, but not go to DDL. Someone who suspected me would have ignored my suggestions and seen it as stronger evidence that I was 'saving' DDL (Though I could have just left things on Kyle). You don't follow the suggestion of one of your suspects to change your plans and also save your other suspect.
So like I said. Earnest, but making some very confusing choices that are contradictory and scum beneficial.
Got that one MP vote going for him too.

But that's wrong. I suspected you or DDL, not you and DDL.

You've been defending and praising DDL for most of the game in a way that would put him or you as a clear suspect if one of you were lynched, so I think it's more likely that not-both of you are bad. Either neither or just one, but not both.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Sun Nov 12, 2017 9:58 pm @Kylemii

Who is bad?

If I had to put money on it right now at this moment I'd say Speedchuck is probably one..... Idk who else... ._.

I need to review some things

I wasn't really even aware of the concept of Lylo or Mylo. I didn't know that you as a thing, because it never was a thing. In the games I'm used to it's never actually over until it's over, because of role powers and multiple other strategic variables.

which is why it's actually really weird to me that it didn't occur to speedchuck in any of his strategy based arguments about why I shouldn't let myself get lynched

I'm sorry I actually did fuck up. I was right when I thought I should have died. I thought keeping myself alive was beneficial for the group cus of numbers but really having too many civvie numbers is the main problem right now. That's never been the case in any game I've played before. I should have let myself be lynched.

It never even once occurred to me that entering day 6 with too many people would be a problem for any reason. I was not as aware of the math as I should have been, and I fucked it because of that. I will do my best to unfuck it.

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Sun Nov 12, 2017 1:56 pm If you are a civ, you should have been pursuing the "everything else" scenario.

I was pursuing an everything else scenario for the entire day phase, DDL, but no one else was playing. A couple votes thrown down but no discussion was happening at all basically starting immediately after Dunya's death. I tried to drum up discussion I eventually decided that my death was probably beneficial to the town because it would at least hopefully kill the complacency and get people to discuss and play again, but then speedchuck convinced me that that wasn't the right thing to do.

Cbob was only there near the very very end, with just speedchuck there my options were to accept death or to convince speedchuck who has been defending DDL for most of the game to vote to lynch him instead of me. Speedchuck talked me out of dying and I remembered that no lynching is technically an option. We voted there and made it a tie and when Cbob showed up I asked him to vote to save my life.

It was a desperation move made necessary by neglected civvie resources (mainly discussion) and maybe it was the wrong move but you would be saying the same thing if I'd let myself be lynched too. I did everything I could.

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Sun Nov 12, 2017 1:50 pm
Kylemii wrote: ↑Sun Nov 12, 2017 12:58 pm
Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Sun Nov 12, 2017 12:18 pm And it wasn't the one viable option. You could have voted for literally anyone else.
3 votes for me, one vote for you one vote for you, 19 minutes left. Speedchuck, who had a vote on me wasn't willing to vote for you. Cbob showed up out of nowhere. What would you have done?

I'm at the shelter rn but I'll be back later to review some stuff
You could have voted for Jack, Sig or Daisy, assuming you needed all three to make a consensus.

I didn't suspect any of those three, I suspected you and speedchuck.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Sun Nov 12, 2017 12:58 pm
Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Sun Nov 12, 2017 12:18 pm
Kylemii wrote: ↑Sun Nov 12, 2017 12:17 pm
Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Sun Nov 12, 2017 11:42 am No lynch is a godawful move 99% of the time.

It seems the civs in this game need to lose it to learn that, though.
No lynch was a desperation move that saved both my life and technically yours, 4/7 of the thread was gone so it was the only viable option.
You are excused from it in my book because you needed to save yourself.

The other two are not.
Even if Kyle is town, it's still a bad move to go no lynch over lynching Kyle.

We gave the kill choice to the mafia and they picked Daisy. We could have lynched suspicious Kyle, which would be preferable in the endgame.

He doesn't get a free pass either. Like the other no lynch voters, his vote only helps him if he's bad.

That's actually a kind of weird line of reasoning. How do you figure that?

There were only two choices. One where I die and one where no one dies. Had I chosen the other one the situation would be the same only with one less player alive and still no new information gained.

Also... not to put too fine a point on it the whole "hey, lack of participation is poison" thing but, I was 100% ready to die until the only person online at the time told me it was better not to.

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Sun Nov 12, 2017 12:18 pm And it wasn't the one viable option. You could have voted for literally anyone else.

3 votes for me, one vote for you one vote for you, 19 minutes left. Speedchuck, who had a vote on me wasn't willing to vote for you. Cbob showed up out of nowhere. What would you have done?

I'm at the shelter rn but I'll be back later to review some stuff

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Sun Nov 12, 2017 11:42 am No lynch is a godawful move 99% of the time.

It seems the civs in this game need to lose it to learn that, though.

No lynch was a desperation move that saved both my life and technically yours, 4/7 of the thread was gone so it was the only viable option.

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Sun Nov 12, 2017 11:42 am No lynch is a godawful move 99% of the time.

It seems the civs in this game need to lose it to learn that, though.

Really love this sentiment. 3-4 people who weren't around at the end of the lynch phase and also not there during a lot of the discussion period come by to criticize the choice that was made during it.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Sat Nov 11, 2017 3:02 pm
Kylemii wrote: ↑Sat Nov 11, 2017 2:50 pm
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Sat Nov 11, 2017 2:28 pm Emphasis on "afraid" as scum indicative. As scum, one must be careful to not say something that gives away their alignment.

As my pal/rival Silver Lantern would say, townies have no fear.
But that's wrong. In a battle between informed minority and uninformed majority, why would recklessness be the default?
Lacking fear and being wreck less are not the same.

But it is though, like by definition, in real life and also mafia.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Sat Nov 11, 2017 3:23 pm
Kylemii wrote: ↑Wed Nov 01, 2017 3:36 pm
speedchuck wrote: ↑Wed Nov 01, 2017 3:32 pm
Kylemii wrote: ↑Wed Nov 01, 2017 3:29 pm
Long Con wrote: ↑Wed Nov 01, 2017 3:24 pm
Kylemii wrote: ↑Wed Nov 01, 2017 3:12 pm do we have enough people around right now for a tie to be informative?
Can you explain how it could be informative?
The regular ways?
Honestly ties are much less informative than other lynches IMO. I have no idea what you are talking about.

Who would you want to tie, though?
How do you figure that?

And it's already in a tie including 2 people I suspect so I'm contented already.
Who was tied at this point.

(Sorry, Kyle. You got a lot of content in a row.)

The tie was MP, Quin, and NewTraditions... I think. It might have been the other absentee.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Sat Nov 11, 2017 2:28 pm Emphasis on "afraid" as scum indicative. As scum, one must be careful to not say something that gives away their alignment.

As my pal/rival Silver Lantern would say, townies have no fear.

But that's wrong. In a battle between informed minority and uninformed majority, why would recklessness be the default?

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Sat Nov 11, 2017 1:26 pmKyle: Quin, I only had you slightly lower than null and is kinda gut over content. Don't be mad at me. (See what I mean? Scared.)

Hey good morning everyone.

I want to ask about the "being afraid to condemn someone to death after first meeting them is mafia behavior" thing. Like is that a real meta that's come up in the community from the last few years?

Why would that ever arise as a thing? It seems incredibly counterintuitive.

Thank you for not killing me after all, I hope the extra time is beneficial.

Did SD say when birdswithteeth would be done visiting?

Please? Love you.

Hey colonialbob I love you, and I probably agree with you about DDL but there is 0% chance of DDL getting lynched today so could you maybe consider voting for the no lynch option

But it's worth a try I guess no lynch

speedchuck wrote: ↑Fri Nov 10, 2017 7:35 pm
Kylemii wrote: ↑Fri Nov 10, 2017 7:09 pm The jailer will have just as much time to do their job regardless of whether or not a lynch happens
Don't make me bring out num-

huh, you're right. I could go no-lynch.

Keep in mind that NT's vote doesn't count.

fuck you're right

Also to reiterate, I don't want to die. If anyone is down for a no lynch then I am too.

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