The Syndicate

Boomslang wrote: ↑Fri Mar 16, 2018 1:19 pmbut it seems like the kind of role that would benefit most from coordination with other powers.

plz explain

insertnamehere wrote: ↑Thu Mar 15, 2018 11:35 pm It's getting harder and harder to resist the urge to switch on my "mafia autopilot" mode the longer the tribe set-up continues.

mafia auto pilot?

oh my god it's night 7???

are we though? i feel like even with an 11 vote majority they'll still pull the football away somehow

yeah i'm cool with this

[VOTE: marmot] aubergine vote marmot aubergine

Scotty wrote: ↑Thu Mar 15, 2018 4:24 pmWho else would you be voting for right now if not for this train?

i didn't realize he already had 10 votes lol

any vote other than marmot would be mathematically inconsequential, and probably inadvisable if our goal is to actually lynch someone for once.

Do you feel like his recent “defense” has made you see him in positive light?

that's why i asked for links. sloonei's case seems strong but i'd like to see for myself if i agree that his behavior in this game signifies mafia-ness for him or if it's just like a regular thing

Marmot wrote: ↑Thu Mar 15, 2018 12:33 pm

Boomslang wrote: ↑Thu Mar 15, 2018 11:24 am

Kylemii wrote: ↑Wed Mar 14, 2018 2:57 pm hmu with some appropriately representative examples of marmot's gameplay as both civ and mafia, please

Most recent Marmot mafia victory was Mortal Kombat.
Most recent civ victory was Fiddler on the Roof.
Go wild!

Those were awful games on both sides. Make them go away.

do you have better examples? preferably some with iso links on the front page

hmu with some appropriately representative examples of marmot's gameplay as both civ and mafia, please

bidoof?

plz catch me up on the marmot suspicion

Scotty wrote: ↑Mon Mar 12, 2018 11:07 pm

Kylemii wrote: ↑Sun Mar 11, 2018 2:17 am that's actually a really good point. we don't know the logistics of the Charlie Pace role. There could be a Desmond Hume role out there or something that could prevent cbob from dying today somehow.

it might be better to treat this lynch as normal just in case. there's no actual downside to doing so other than time cost.

Kylemii wrote: ↑Mon Mar 12, 2018 10:15 pm i missed another fucking vote today :[

we missed ya buddy. That's why it's not a bad idea to put your vote in early.

yeah I forgot, so many day ends are happening while I'm at work now and I'm used to voting near deadline

anyways yeah i agree we should try to lynch someone. if nothing else to make things interesting again. we have nothing to work with over here and a mafia get could make things exciting again.

Scotty wrote: ↑Mon Mar 12, 2018 11:05 pm

Kylemii wrote: ↑Mon Mar 12, 2018 11:02 pm

Scotty wrote: ↑Mon Mar 12, 2018 10:58 pmthere's a bunch of cats in the litterbox

what

oh thanx

I wonder if they actively chose to lynch cbob? or maybe he tried to fight against it since it wasn't an inevitability and that sketched people out.

Scotty wrote: ↑Mon Mar 12, 2018 10:58 pmthere's a bunch of cats in the litterbox

what

I don't get it, does that mean cbob being lynched was just a coincidence?

i missed another fucking vote today :[

Scotty wrote: ↑Mon Mar 12, 2018 10:19 am

Sloonei wrote:I expected there to be another challenge today. I was gonna recommend we throw it to let one of their players have a look at our thread.

Why do you think that? We already have a lynch immunity of sorts built in to the game, which would disregard the last challenge if it were to be played today

what?

that's actually a really good point. we don't know the logistics of the Charlie Pace role. There could be a Desmond Hume role out there or something that could prevent cbob from dying today somehow.

it might be better to treat this lynch as normal just in case. there's no actual downside to doing so other than time cost.

so.... today's the day cbob dies right

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Sat Mar 10, 2018 1:37 pm

Kylemii wrote: ↑Sat Mar 10, 2018 1:18 am

Sloonei wrote: ↑Fri Mar 09, 2018 11:01 pm

LoRab wrote: ↑Fri Mar 09, 2018 10:48 pm Wow. I thought we'd actually get a lynch in. But good on the other tribe for getting a mafia out. And, as Scotty said, evident that there is more than 1 mafia. Is the Evil Evens from something? Or is it just a name and there is also an Odious Odds mafia, or some such?

The Evil Evens were a team in CC-123.

I think you meant to say... The Best Team in CC-123

Objectively false. Barely even a team.

sorry what was that? i couldn't hear you over the sound of my computer struggling to process the raw data of all the win banners my team earned in aggregate during that game, cus there was just... so many of them that it causes a strain on my computer to process them all. all the image files, you know? :\

Sloonei wrote: ↑Fri Mar 09, 2018 11:01 pm

LoRab wrote: ↑Fri Mar 09, 2018 10:48 pm Wow. I thought we'd actually get a lynch in. But good on the other tribe for getting a mafia out. And, as Scotty said, evident that there is more than 1 mafia. Is the Evil Evens from something? Or is it just a name and there is also an Odious Odds mafia, or some such?

The Evil Evens were a team in CC-123.

I think you meant to say... The Best Team in CC-123

sorry I missed the vote, my shower ran a little long and I had to leave immediately to avoid being late, good to see the other tribe is doing well.

please tell me what is the deal is with sig

I just realized I have to vote in the next 30 minutes. please provide me with the 3 most compelling reasons to vote for inh or marmot or another players who is likely to be a viable lynch candidate, with consideration placed on the fact that we haven't ever lynched anyone cus the other tribe has apparently been a lot more decisive than us

[mention]Jackofhearts2005[/mention] so what I'm gathering from this exchange is that what Scotty said isn't your actual real philosophy at all and you actually just really suspect inh?

like I 100% agree that a flip would be good and positive but the thing is that's only true if we get a mafia flip, a civ flip gives us nothing. stripping players we suspect of their first lives increases our chance of being able to get a mafia flip in the future.

that's of course assuming we can ever lynch anyone at all

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Fri Mar 09, 2018 11:52 am

Kylemii wrote: ↑Fri Mar 09, 2018 3:54 am

Scotty wrote: ↑Fri Mar 09, 2018 2:21 amI’ll try and check out a couple of those games (if I can find your old baddie ones. Sounds obscure).

this is the sc2 game: link I'm the user Aardvarks Bark. Plz keep in mind that this game took place over the course of 3 days and was my first experience playing with any of these people

If you want to dig deeper there's probably some games on this website where I was bad but I don't actually remember any of them

But I like your flouty attitude and forwardness at least. You sound honest and generally care-free. Kinda like sig, except more actively involved. Ya dig?

"flouty"

What are your current thoughts on jack’s philosophy of lynching someone for alignment flip’s sake as opposed to some old-fashioned sleuthing?

I don't know.... I don't think I'd want to lynch someone purely for the sake of getting a flip out of it unless I was significantly inclined to believe they we're mafia for additional other reasons

this games format changes things a bit. everyone basically having 2 lives adds a whole new strategic layer, technically speaking we're not going to learn anything from most of the lynches we do. a lot depends on whether or not roles are curated by alignment or if they're just purely random.

What is up with these constant straw man arguments?

From all this pushback, I’m assuming none of you ever vote in regular games until someone is copped, right?

We lynch players just to get flips and because we think they may be mafia every single day of every single game.

I’m proposing we do that here, too.

The alternative (which I guess a lot of people really like) is to lynch first lives, get no flips and eliminate no scum. Also, then the mafia kills off the one life townies.

Can someone please explain to me the advantage to never lynching anyone for real in this game?

Starting now, I will vote for anyone who implies I have said that lynching one life players is the only option. What I said was we should lynch a one life player or lynch the same two life player two days in a row. Town can’t eliminate scum if they’re too chicken shit to eliminate anybody at all.

chill. i was responding to Scotty's interpretation of your argument, if your own argument is more nuanced than that then cool, if your philosophy is, as Scotty says it 'we should prioritize lynching people who will give us flips' then yes I disagree with that.

but I don't think limiting our lynch options only to the people who've died already is a good idea unless we specifically suspect someone who's died already for regular reasons. no one on this tribe has ever died by lynch.

lynching only people who can actually die gives the magia too much control, especially when the only players who've died, died by nightkills, and also i guess inh who died mysteriously during the day. but on the flip side being afraid of lynching people for real also gives the mafia too much control as then they'd have a monopoly on making real death happen.

the bottom line is that we should still just lynch people we suspect, with a healthy balance of first deaths and permadeaths depending on what the situation demands. sticking to one philosophy or the other creates a thread culture that benefits mafia. this isn't an either/or situation.

the dictionary wrote:Definition of flout
transitive verb
: to treat with contemptuous disregard : scorn flouting the rules
intransitive verb
: to indulge in scornful behavior
Ah, you may flout and turn up your faces —Robert Browning
— flouter noun

oh. :^(

Scotty wrote: ↑Fri Mar 09, 2018 2:21 amI’ll try and check out a couple of those games (if I can find your old baddie ones. Sounds obscure).

this is the sc2 game: link I'm the user Aardvarks Bark. Plz keep in mind that this game took place over the course of 3 days and was my first experience playing with any of these people

If you want to dig deeper there's probably some games on this website where I was bad but I don't actually remember any of them

But I like your flouty attitude and forwardness at least. You sound honest and generally care-free. Kinda like sig, except more actively involved. Ya dig?

"flouty"

What are your current thoughts on jack’s philosophy of lynching someone for alignment flip’s sake as opposed to some old-fashioned sleuthing?

I don't know.... I don't think I'd want to lynch someone purely for the sake of getting a flip out of it unless I was significantly inclined to believe they we're mafia for additional other reasons

this games format changes things a bit. everyone basically having 2 lives adds a whole new strategic layer, technically speaking we're not going to learn anything from most of the lynches we do. a lot depends on whether or not roles are curated by alignment or if they're just purely random.

Scotty wrote: ↑Thu Mar 08, 2018 7:55 pmKylemii hey buddy.

hi

Where’ve you been? Whatchu been up to?

i think you're maybe being facetious but my life is going pretty well right now so I'm gonna tell you. I recently started working again at a job I really like and I also very recently invested in a Zelda game so that's been kind of a big deal for me

Can you do me a solid and link me to a game of yours where you’ve been bad and one where you’ve been good?

yeah I can do that, I guess. The civ part is easy. Um ... I'd suggest the recent phenon game (I was alpha) or fiddler on the roof, or maybe the first half of mortal kombat(with the caveat that technically I was indy, but I was playing towards a civilian victory for most of the game.)

As for mafia Kyle... that's tougher to answer. I haven't had a proper mafia role since like.... 2015. I was a solo mafia in speedchuck's owl train mystery speed mafia game, and I was mafia in a 48 hour long game on sc2 mafia

I’m not coming after you because I do like most of what you’re offering. My qualms with you come from your lack of follow up. The last phase, you asked a lot of questions but I’m not sure what you gained from the answers.

a lot of the time I'll ask questions for my own benefit. If I can better understand why other people believe the things they do then I can do a better job at knowing what people's motivations are.

You mentioned twice in the early game that you would do some IsOs of people. Did you? How did those turn our?

my first iso spree was what led me to question boomslang. iso round 2 didn't happen because of a combination of napping and zelda absorbing the day off that I was going to spend on isos

How’s your mom? Do you like chocolate shakes or malts? See, that’s not really important, but I thought I’d ask just to appear like I’m interested.

she's fine, I don't like shakes or malts.

I am keeping this in mind, from something you said a few days ago:

I avoid getting closely involved in the early days because I'm not comfortable with it specifically because I know that early game reads are my dump stat. I stand back and judge others thoughts and cases when they happen but I don't move things on my own. When I do, "fiddler on the roof" happens and I lose focus.

When does the early game stop and the real game begin?

real game usually starts for me after the first mafia flip or the 2nd-3rd civ flip.

Have you lost focus yet?

what? no, I think you misunderstood my comment. I lost focus in fiddler cus I was put outside my comfort zone early. It skewed several of my viewpoints and led me to a lot of false conclusions early on.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Tue Mar 06, 2018 7:02 pm Boomslang who is basically Sigging vs Wilgy who is basically Wilgying.

Is that the arguments I’m looking at?

what is sigging?

insertnamehere wrote: ↑Tue Mar 06, 2018 6:16 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue Mar 06, 2018 5:52 pm @insertnamehere @Marmot whatcha gonna do with them votes?

Nothin', as I think both Boomslang and Wilgy are civilians. I ain't choosing to be complicit in this shit.

who would you lynch today, given the opportunity?

boomslang aubergine

Golden wrote: ↑Tue Mar 06, 2018 3:02 pm

Kylemii wrote: ↑Tue Mar 06, 2018 2:58 pm unless that would qualify as info dumping

It absolutely would.

lame

was there any particularly notable day killing roles in circulation during the last year of games?

unless that would qualify as info dumping

weird

inh do you know why or how you died?

no explanation plz just a yes or no

you say lazy as if that's a bad thing??? I'm not gonna do an archeology dig every time someone presents a read with minimal context when they can easily just elucidate on their own viewpoints with minimal effort.

Scotty wrote: ↑Mon Mar 05, 2018 3:29 pmDude read my posts.

Its easier and more effective to ask people for explanations of their viewpoints in the moment than to go out of my way to figure out why they believe the things they do, plus sometimes the reasons why people suspect each other can change over time, also also reading is for nerds.

Scotty wrote: ↑Mon Mar 05, 2018 1:39 pmI can’t see a mafia masonry with any sort of positive effects from their role. Does anyone know of any precedent for a mafia role like that to exist?

wouldn't a mafia masonry just be a regular mafia?

Sloonei wrote: ↑Mon Mar 05, 2018 2:05 pm If INH is silenced I'm fairly comfortable saying we have a civilian silencer who is required to target each night.

If I'm understanding the rules correctly, any targeting powers that targets aren't chosen for have their targets chosen randomly

Some roles will have their targets randomised if you do not send a PM, so if you want to make a tactical choice not to use your night power, please PM the host to check first.

though I guess the silencer could pm Juliets and Golden and just manually to opt not use their power

Scotty wrote: ↑Mon Mar 05, 2018 1:51 pmThe thing is, I think one of them is bad and I’m still inclined to think it’s SD even though Wilgy thinks I’m scum.

could I ask you to explain your read on space daisy

huh

[mention]Boomslang[/mention] or someone boomslang adjacent could I please request a link to a representative game where boomslang played as mafia and one where he played civ? thank you

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sun Mar 04, 2018 10:16 pm

Kylemii wrote: ↑Sun Mar 04, 2018 10:14 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sun Mar 04, 2018 7:50 pmI've hired a DJ to help get us moving. Don't let this guy down.

look at that little music man doing his best, i love him.

i'd hate to disappoint him

Gimme a name to vote for.

you're already voting for him

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sun Mar 04, 2018 7:50 pmI've hired a DJ to help get us moving. Don't let this guy down.

look at that little music man doing his best, i love him.

i'd hate to disappoint him

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sun Mar 04, 2018 4:34 pmThey know I can see them.

but you can't talk to them?

sig wrote: ↑Sun Mar 04, 2018 3:58 pmWhat does everyone think of Kyle's vote? He avoided both wagons by going for Boomslang, which I could see mafia trying to do if they knew we were both civs to avoid suspicion.

I had to vote early, no one had more than one vote at the time so I wasn't able to ensure that my vote would be mathematically useful during that phase by researching the top lynch candidates and deciding which I think is more likely to flip as mafia like I usually prefer to do. It was impossible to ensure my vote would be relevant so I voted for a suspicion instead, Boomslang's was my strongest ping.

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Sun Mar 04, 2018 3:17 pm

Kylemii wrote: ↑Sun Mar 04, 2018 2:01 pm

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Sun Mar 04, 2018 1:18 pmIn regards to LoRab, I don't know. Before yesterday I held her in a bucket of players that seemed floaty. She was supposed to receive my vote, but now I think she's one of my top civ reads.

help me to understand why

Nah, you figure it out.

me guessing why your opinion has changed is less effective than you telling me why it has, so maybe you could do that instead

Hmmm... Baddies are Scotty, Daisy, and Bloops... and Kyle... fuck you Kyle, you beautiful Frito pie.

tell me about your suspicion of daisy, and also kyle

also what is a Frito pie