The Syndicate

Golden wrote: ↑Wed May 16, 2018 9:05 pmI'm in U Pick.

oh shit, i didn't even notice. cool.

still kinda mad golden got killed so early :[

[mention]Golden[/mention] are you gonna sign up for more games in future times

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Wed May 16, 2018 8:39 pm

Kylemii wrote: ↑Wed May 16, 2018 8:34 pm Jackofhearts2005 i'm sorry about the way things went before my lynch. self-defense is just something i need to get a lot better at. Your reasons for suspecting me were valid, i'm just bad at explaining myself. next time you try to unknowingly mislynch me i'll try to do better at responding to your thoughts and concerns.

That would be appreciated cause I feel like my ability to read you is at an all time low.

i think the sticking point is whenever you challenge me on whether or not i truthfully suspect you i reflexively double down on it when i probably shouldn't and dig myself into a hole.

mentally i know that some of my theories aren't always like... sure things, or even probable things, but when people say "hey there's no way that's true, your idea is bad" i feel obligated to defend thosee ideas cus they're technically not impossible... and then you look at that and your keen JackofHearts nose for honesty, smells my posts and then you think "hm, it seems super fucking weird that Kyle is strongly defending ideas that he doesn't seem to actually believe in that much" and call me out on it, and i either dig deeper or drop it altogether and then it becomes kind of a cycle.

and next time you try to knowingly mislynch me i'll also probably fall for it super hard cus of how bad i feel for being rude to you here

[mention]Jackofhearts2005[/mention] i'm sorry about the way things went before my lynch. self-defense is just something i need to get a lot better at. Your reasons for suspecting me were valid, i'm just bad at explaining myself. next time you try to unknowingly mislynch me i'll try to do better at responding to your thoughts and concerns.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Wed May 16, 2018 8:18 pm Lol why again?

Wolbre was slip sliding all alignments so I just dismissed it all and left him in my POE.

because i'm an idiot lol

wolbre was denying it which made sense, cus maybe he was embarrassed about slipping up but sloonei wasn't denying it, so i took that as implicit proof even though in retrospect it should have been a Huge Red Flag actually

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Wed May 16, 2018 8:16 pm

Kylemii wrote: ↑Wed May 16, 2018 8:08 pm

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Wed May 16, 2018 8:04 pm

Kylemii wrote: ↑Wed May 16, 2018 7:20 pm i am never accusing jack again, no matter what, i'm never right about him.

I try telling people every game that I’m always town but nobody listens.

ugh,,,, i even remember getting those trades at the same time as you dunking speedchuck and thinking "wow I bet that was jack who sent that, and jack is a civ indie"

and I guesd I just completely forgot about that timing, and decided the obvious answer was that you bussed speedchuck i'm so fucking dumb lol

It’s a good catch. You just forgot.

i dismissed it as a coincidence cus i thought sloonei and wolbre were the indies x_x

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Wed May 16, 2018 8:04 pm

Kylemii wrote: ↑Wed May 16, 2018 7:20 pm i am never accusing jack again, no matter what, i'm never right about him.

I try telling people every game that I’m always town but nobody listens.

ugh,,,, i even remember getting those trades at the same time as you dunking speedchuck and thinking "wow I bet that was jack who sent that, and jack is a civ indie"

and I guesd I just completely forgot about that timing, and decided the obvious answer was that you bussed speedchuck i'm so fucking dumb lol

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Wed May 16, 2018 7:51 pm Later tonight it will be time for the pop quiz. If you want a bonus banner, be here at 9 PM EST.

Bonus Banner is my 3rd favorite Avengers team member

so quin being indie was actually just a complete coincidence?

Sloonei wrote: ↑Wed May 16, 2018 7:51 pm

Kylemii wrote: ↑Wed May 16, 2018 7:50 pm i literally called out the exact wrong two people for having a conspiratorial reason to try to lynch me.

i'm so bad at this game

You were on me, you just thought I was indie instead of straigt bad.

I did not get the theory about me being indie but I wasn’t gonna make a big fuss about it.

i didn't get it either, i just assumed it was true cus of quin

i literally called out the exact wrong two people for having a conspiratorial reason to try to lynch me.

i'm so bad at this game

wait jack, if you were indie then why did you think i was indie for so long

i made and kept a lot of assumptions that turned out to be extremely false. :[ i'll do better in the future

at least now i know why i got that read on nova

i am never accusing jack again, no matter what, i'm never right about him.

wow :0

good work mafia, a well deserved win

dunya wrote: ↑Wed May 16, 2018 6:20 pm remember when kyle only cared about having fun. remember when kyle used to mock me and jay for playing for the win. remember those days?

don't worry Kyle, we have this.

simple game victories don't do it for me any more

the only win i care about is winning the top rank in the "who's won the most games in 2018" list

dunya wrote: ↑Tue May 15, 2018 7:07 pm

Kylemii wrote: ↑Tue May 15, 2018 7:03 pm the Kyle you know will do whatever he can to avoid hard work up to and including tricking other people into doing it for them through flattery :0

I only do my own work when it's necessary.

I don't believe this

yeah I know thats why it works

dunya wrote: ↑Tue May 15, 2018 7:02 pmok...is this more stressful cos you're bad?

i'm sorry if we stressed you.

no

mafia is stressful in general cus it's a game that I'm very bad at and half the time don't even like but play for I guess... social validation or something? community maybe. I push myself to try to be good but I'm not actually good and that's why I don't make cases and stick to the sidelines.

the Kyle you know will do whatever he can to avoid hard work up to and including tricking other people into doing it for them through flattery :0

I only do my own work when it's necessary.

[mention]dunya[/mention] change to wolbre

dunya you have 1 minute to vote

anyways I guess I'm gonna die. please review novaselinever in earnest this time

my other thoughts have been recorded in my posts.

you guys can do this, good luck

dunya wrote: ↑Tue May 15, 2018 6:53 pmdo you think you've played like your usual civ self in this game, Kyle?

dunya i don't care about that at all

i set out to play this game in a way that was more fun for me and less needlessly stressful (and thusly less anxiety inducing in the long term) and i think i accomplished that, other than i guess, specifically this part of the game, where you're trying to kill me for it.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Tue May 15, 2018 6:22 pm

Kylemii wrote: ↑Tue May 15, 2018 6:17 pm

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Tue May 15, 2018 6:11 pm

wolbre04 wrote: ↑Tue May 15, 2018 5:10 pm I'm fine dying or having Kyle die. I think he is scum, you think I am scum, but I am town.
Lynching myself will clear me from your muddy player list and help for clarity

Fucking why? It’s likely lylo. There are no players who should be okay being lynched. You should be fighting tooth and nail to save yourself.

@Kylemii
You too.

If a townie or town aligned neutral decides to be lynched and we lose tonight, you will go down in Jack’s hall of shame, like the jester who voted when there were 3 players left.

kind of a gross thing to say when you pushed my lynch more than anyone. I defended myself plenty, you ignored most of it. take responsibility for your own actions and do better next time and I'll try to do the same.

No.

I’m doing my damned best. If I’m right, you can ask no more of me so I can and perhaps need to do exactly what I’m doing.

If you’re town, you know we’re heading down the wrong path and if we lose because you give up, that’s on you.

Gimmie all your reads, all your tinfoils, all your assumptions.

I know. I believe you when you say that, because you say the exact same thing every time you try to mislynch me and i give up because you're exhausting to debate with. So take this one as a learning opportunity and accept that you don't know how to read me, so you can try to be better at it in the future. and I swear I'm not saying this in a passive aggressive "you made me die, you jerk" way. I just legitimately wish you'd put effort into learning my meta and playstyle.

And I already told you I can't post much rn cus I'm out shopping, I've posted my thoughts, I'll try to post more, and recap my thoughts when I get back in the car, for posterity sake I guess.

if wolbre is indie then his lynch keeps 3 gauranteed town votes alive at endgame, if wolbre isn't indie then there's a decent enough chance that he's mafia

does anyone have a reason to specifically read wolbre as town?

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Tue May 15, 2018 6:11 pm

wolbre04 wrote: ↑Tue May 15, 2018 5:10 pm I'm fine dying or having Kyle die. I think he is scum, you think I am scum, but I am town.
Lynching myself will clear me from your muddy player list and help for clarity

Fucking why? It’s likely lylo. There are no players who should be okay being lynched. You should be fighting tooth and nail to save yourself.

@Kylemii
You too.

If a townie or town aligned neutral decides to be lynched and we lose tonight, you will go down in Jack’s hall of shame, like the jester who voted when there were 3 players left.

kind of a gross thing to say when you pushed my lynch more than anyone. I defended myself plenty, you ignored most of it. take responsibility for your own actions and do better next time and I'll try to do the same.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Tue May 15, 2018 6:06 pm

Kylemii wrote: ↑Tue May 15, 2018 4:57 pm if wolbre and sloonei aren't Indies then it fucks a lot of my assumptions up

Why don’t you list the assumptions based on them being indy and then do the same based on them not?

because i'm at costco and the wifi sucks here

fake news

wolbres read on me is fake :/

why are you getting all doom and gloomy, you have 1 vote.

[mention]wolbre04[/mention] why do you even think I'm bad

if wolbre and sloonei aren't Indies then it fucks a lot of my assumptions up

dunya you've been putting off isoing me since like day 6 :lol:

Well... Golden and Turnip Head*

another thing, if i were mafia there's no way id be okay with my team killing golden on night 2.

golden being in this game was maybe the only reason why i signed up.

dunya wrote: ↑Tue May 15, 2018 12:49 pm

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Tue May 15, 2018 12:47 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue May 15, 2018 12:43 pm

dunya wrote: ↑Tue May 15, 2018 12:35 pm almost done wth wolbre iso.

then I'll have time for Kyle before EOD before I see who to vote for.

my vote will go on one of them today.

q: so I see Kyle was scum in GoC. was he emotional when caught scum in that game?

What if neither wolbre or kyle are viable options at the end of the day?

Kyle always plays emotionally to some degree, I think. I am reminded of his GOC behavior more when he says things like “my attention is focused elsewhere” and “i’m tired”. I remember him using things like that in self-defense when he was pressured there. But that was also a longer and more drawn-out case against him that took forever to fully come together. I would expect more emotion, regardless of his alignment, on a case like this one which has come together relatively quickly.

He got emotional enough that he felt the need to take a time out and apologize to me later.

in GoC?? as well?
hmmmmm

no he's just talking about here. jack wasn't part of the GoC.

dunya wrote: ↑Tue May 15, 2018 12:33 pm I don't believe wolbre indieslipped and then called out the other 2 indie players. first of all, they don't know each other. the chat they share is anonymous. and if he did work out who they BOTH were by some miracle, and called himself out as indie and then also named them both by name, yea...I don't think Jay would have allowed it. i'm not going to believe it.

literally the first thing anyone does when they're put in anonymous btsc is secretly try to figure out who they're in with.

quin has a unique time zone so he's online at times when not everyone else is, and sloonei'd probably be identifiable by his reads or whatever. It's not unthinkable, and it's more likely that the Indies would know who the others were than that they wouldn't, especially after what was it, 12 real life days minimum of btsc?

i think..... my lynch is okay. If it happens, I get it. Good or bad my destiny is to either live til the end or be culled for the sake of PoE.

If the Indies chose to side with mafia then we were fucked anyways, and if they didn't then the endgame will progress more smoothly without me in it, I think. so I'm okay with this.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue May 15, 2018 12:15 pm

Kylemii wrote: ↑Tue May 15, 2018 2:37 am spacedaisy was largely the cause of speedchuck death and speedchuck voted for her when she was almost lynched, 2 votes down from

sloonei and wolbre are probably indies, I think? maybe I'm wrong. if anyone has a reason to think they're not, say something because if their placement is different then it changes a few things.

Marmot is helot.

I still don't believe that Nova's interactions with Colin gaurantee his innocence as much as you guys seem to think they do.

that should leave dunya and Turnip Head but that doesn't feel right as a mafia pairing especially considering turnip head is trying to lynch dunya. so something from earlier has to be wrong.

Am I still indie because wolbre allegedly slipped like ten years ago? Because that’s a thing that you’re wrong about and I’m surprised that theory has survived this long. I have no particular reason to believe he is indie either, but I can’t exactly say I’ve been indie hunting.

I wouldn't say Indy hunting is a priority other than for PoE. are you really not Indy?

if only one of dunya or th is bad, which is it?

hmm gth I'd say dunya, but only cus I think th's strategy of declaring war with the sun doesn't necessarily make sense to me in terms of mafia strategy

Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue May 15, 2018 12:09 pm

Kylemii wrote: ↑Tue May 15, 2018 2:22 am if jack is mafia then he's already won and nothing can reasonably be done about it so im ignoring that possibility

what's that face? do you disagree

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@Kylemii

What does Quin’s flip have to do with Sloonei?
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quin wolbre and sloonei are the most likely Indies. wolbre did a slip early on that involved sloonei, and later quin. then quin flipped indie after being lynched last phase
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I meant his being town or mafia aligned if he is 3P.
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don't you think the 3p would influlence each other's decisions at least a little? after days of btsc?

idk i gotta sleep, i'll be back after work tomorrow

of course as soon as i try to solve the game no one's around

spacedaisy was largely the cause of speedchuck death and speedchuck voted for her when she was almost lynched, 2 votes down from

sloonei and wolbre are probably indies, I think? maybe I'm wrong. if anyone has a reason to think they're not, say something because if their placement is different then it changes a few things.

Marmot is helot.

I still don't believe that Nova's interactions with Colin gaurantee his innocence as much as you guys seem to think they do.

that should leave dunya and Turnip Head but that doesn't feel right as a mafia pairing especially considering turnip head is trying to lynch dunya. so something from earlier has to be wrong.

if jack is mafia then he's already won and nothing can reasonably be done about it so im ignoring that possibility

ugh... i was planning to just die and let you guys inevitably sort things out after my death. now that i know the game is possibly on the line I guess I should probably try to avert that.