Ancient Greece Mafia [CONQUEST]

[Jackofhearts2005]

Look, jack, if I bus speedchuck I'm gonna have fun with it. Make a party out of it. Bussing is something you do good or don't do at all.

I voted for speed early and asked spacedaisy to look into him. Specifically to test her and see how she'd react.

doing that as a teammate of speed has no utility other than to get him lynched, wouldn't give me credit so there's no actual benefit to doing it.

We've been through this same song and dance so many times and in so many games, I need you to realize that you just don't know how to read me. You expect my actions to be basic and up front but they rarely are because that's now what my approach to mafia is.

Idk how you keep doing this.

Jesus.

Citation on Kyle busses requiring a party?

Pretending to scumhunting is Scumplay 101. I’m not sure why you think asking Daisy to look at a player you think has been caught by a night action is supposed to prove you are town.

K. I don’t know how to read you. You’re in my 3 player POE in a game with 3 baddies.

[Jackofhearts2005]

*2 baddies

[Jackofhearts2005]

oh hey here's a quick answer that's right in our faces: one thing that strikes me as ungenuine is your inability to at all see anything about jack that is compelling or pings you in his handling of speed. he's my 3rd suspect sure, but to discredit the potential in a bussing case out right seems....seems....something that lacks emotion. if jack wasn't jack and was analyzing someone else's posts he would have seen it pingworthy even.

it's cus he's 3rd party sided with mafia

What is this post even?

Sloonei is scum sided 3P, thinks I’m bad so he’s pretending to not think so? Where did you come up with any of this?

[Kylemii]

sloonei is indie sided with scum so he's putting minimal effort into solving the game, not everything is about you

[Kylemii]

Look, jack, if I bus speedchuck I'm gonna have fun with it. Make a party out of it. Bussing is something you do good or don't do at all.

I voted for speed early and asked spacedaisy to look into him. Specifically to test her and see how she'd react.

doing that as a teammate of speed has no utility other than to get him lynched, wouldn't give me credit so there's no actual benefit to doing it.

We've been through this same song and dance so many times and in so many games, I need you to realize that you just don't know how to read me. You expect my actions to be basic and up front but they rarely are because that's now what my approach to mafia is.

Idk how you keep doing this.

Jesus.

Citation on Kyle busses requiring a party?

I gave you an example, read it if you want.

Pretending to scumhunting is Scumplay 101. I’m not sure why you think asking Daisy to look at a player you think has been caught by a night action is supposed to prove you are town.

it indicatess that your reasoning is garbage. If I'm gonna bus someone I'm gonna bus better than that. Make it more personal. That's the point of bussing.

K. I don’t know how to read you. You’re in my 3 player POE in a game with 3 baddies.

you town-read me until i suspected you, jack. the only reason you suspect me is for the same thing you always suspect me for. You think your actions should only be interpreted one way and that anyone who spends any effort trying to consider any nefarious reasons for your actions must be mafia but that's false.

[Jackofhearts2005]

sloonei is indie sided with scum so he's putting minimal effort into solving the game, not everything is about you

Not true.

For all I know, everyone else is a sophisticates robot.

[Kylemii]

jack i want to pump the breaks a little, i feel like I've been a little harsh with my language with you lately but it's only because I'm frustrated with your approach to reading me or understanding my actions, i like you and consider you a friend and I like playing with you and consider you to be a player who I respect a lot, absolutely none of this is personal.

[Sloonei]

sloonei is indie sided with scum so he's putting minimal effort into solving the game, not everything is about you

No he’s not.

[Marmot]

#Kyle end of day is tomorrow. I feel like you're thinking it's today.

what

oh my god you're right. i had the deadlines confused.

I thought the day ended today too. I expected to come home to a lynch result.

Must be because of that other speed game going on.

[Kylemii]

sloonei is indie sided with scum so he's putting minimal effort into solving the game, not everything is about you

No he’s not.

then prove me wrong.

[Jackofhearts2005]

you town-read me until i suspected you, jack. the only reason you suspect me is for the same thing you always suspect me for. You think your actions should only be interpreted one way and that anyone who spends any effort trying to consider any nefarious reasons for your actions must be mafia but that's false.

What’s my alignment when that happens? Sounds like you think I’m town based on the underlined part. What changed your mind?

[Jackofhearts2005]

sloonei is indie sided with scum so he's putting minimal effort into solving the game, not everything is about you

Not true.

For all I know, everyone else is a sophisticates robot.

Stupid autocorrect.

[Jackofhearts2005]

jack i want to pump the breaks a little, i feel like I've been a little harsh with my language with you lately but it's only because I'm frustrated with your approach to reading me or understanding my actions, i like you and consider you a friend and I like playing with you and consider you to be a player who I respect a lot, absolutely none of this is personal.

Didn’t take a word of it personally and I’m sorry if I’ve been frustrating you.

[Kylemii]

you town-read me until i suspected you, jack. the only reason you suspect me is for the same thing you always suspect me for. You think your actions should only be interpreted one way and that anyone who spends any effort trying to consider any nefarious reasons for your actions must be mafia but that's false.

What’s my alignment when that happens? Sounds like you think I’m town based on the underlined part. What changed your mind?

jack. i have at no point been confident about your alignment. I'm rarely confident about anything. your behavior being indicative of a long planned out busjob was an important avenue to explore.

[Kylemii]

another thing, which I guess is wifom but whatever. I'd never willingly put myself in a position where I'd have to go to to toe with a steamroller-like active player as a mafia member. I was forced into that with Scotty, sloonei, spacedaisy, epignosis during the endgame of GoC and I hated most of it.

[Jackofhearts2005]

another thing, which I guess is wifom but whatever. I'd never willingly put myself in a position where I'd have to go to to toe with a steamroller-like active player as a mafia member. I was forced into that with Scotty, sloonei, spacedaisy, epignosis during the endgame of GoC and I hated most of it.

This is why I’ve chosen to be a steamroller player.

[Kylemii]

another thing, which I guess is wifom but whatever. I'd never willingly put myself in a position where I'd have to go to to toe with a steamroller-like active player as a mafia member. I was forced into that with Scotty, sloonei, spacedaisy, epignosis during the endgame of GoC and I hated most of it.

This is why I’ve chosen to be a steamroller player.

lol fair enough

[Kylemii]

who are the other two in your poe? are you sure about them?

sorry i know you've probably mentioned it before but it's hot and i'm sleepy

[Jackofhearts2005]

who are the other two in your poe? are you sure about them?

sorry i know you've probably mentioned it before but it's hot and i'm sleepy

Wolbre and TH.

They both feel somewhat suspicious, I have little reason to townread them and I haven’t played with them before. (I’ve played with Wolbre in a game he’s still alive in so I still can’t compare and contrast with past experience.)

It’s possible one of the other players is mafia but I don’t have a good reason to think they are and I have reason to think each is town.

[Sloonei]

sloonei is indie sided with scum so he's putting minimal effort into solving the game, not everything is about you

No he’s not.

then prove me wrong.

First of all I don’t even know where this accusation is coming from so how do you propose I do that? Second, I’ve been spewing my thoughts and flooding the thread with ISOs over the last couple phases and I feel like I’ve pretty thoroughly stated my reads and where I stand at this time. I scum read you and so my vote is on you. But every time I’ve tried to get you to talk about your reads you’ve responded by saying I’m not doing enough, and then shared 0 reads yourself. I’m still waiting. For you to say I don’t care about scum hunting or whatever in this circumstance is ridiculous. Prove me wrong.

[Sloonei]

This place was too quiet tonight. It was just jack and kyle occasionally poking at each other. Where’s everybody else? This is a pretty crucial lynch. If you’re a civilian, please make your voice heard. Do you object to the cases that exist? Have any input on anyone at all? Talk about things, people!

[Kylemii]

who are the other two in your poe? are you sure about them?

sorry i know you've probably mentioned it before but it's hot and i'm sleepy

Wolbre and TH.

They both feel somewhat suspicious, I have little reason to townread them and I haven’t played with them before. (I’ve played with Wolbre in a game he’s still alive in so I still can’t compare and contrast with past experience.)

It’s possible one of the other players is mafia but I don’t have a good reason to think they are and I have reason to think each is town.

and spacedaisy?

[Turnip Head]

This place was too quiet tonight. It was just jack and kyle occasionally poking at each other. Where’s everybody else? This is a pretty crucial lynch. If you’re a civilian, please make your voice heard. Do you object to the cases that exist? Have any input on anyone at all? Talk about things, people!

I reserve the right to willingly and knowingly talk about nothing else until Jack is swinging from a tree like a tire.

[Sloonei]

This place was too quiet tonight. It was just jack and kyle occasionally poking at each other. Where’s everybody else? This is a pretty crucial lynch. If you’re a civilian, please make your voice heard. Do you object to the cases that exist? Have any input on anyone at all? Talk about things, people!

I reserve the right to willingly and knowingly talk about nothing else until Jack is swinging from a tree like a tire.

Who is jack’s teammate?

[Turnip Head]

I must have stuttered

[Sloonei]

I reserve the right to insist on other topics of conversation

[Kylemii]

sloonei is indie sided with scum so he's putting minimal effort into solving the game, not everything is about you

No he’s not.

then prove me wrong.

First of all I don’t even know where this accusation is coming from so how do you propose I do that? Second, I’ve been spewing my thoughts and flooding the thread with ISOs over the last couple phases and I feel like I’ve pretty thoroughly stated my reads and where I stand at this time. I scum read you and so my vote is on you. But every time I’ve tried to get you to talk about your reads you’ve responded by saying I’m not doing enough, and then shared 0 reads yourself. I’m still waiting. For you to say I don’t care about scum hunting or whatever in this circumstance is ridiculous. Prove me wrong.

Sloonei. go back and *actually* read my posts, alright? If you seriously think I've given 0 reads then you haven't been reading anything I've said. I've probably given more reads in this game than any other game.

and yeah I know you're putting in physical footwork, but I don't trust you're doing it in an honest way. you're dismissing possible conclusions too easily. I don't trust that. especially in light of the fact that quin chose the mafia.

[Kylemii]

This place was too quiet tonight. It was just jack and kyle occasionally poking at each other. Where’s everybody else? This is a pretty crucial lynch. If you’re a civilian, please make your voice heard. Do you object to the cases that exist? Have any input on anyone at all? Talk about things, people!

why is this a crucial lynch?

[Kylemii]

[mention]Sloonei[/mention] also, westworld is pretty good so far thanks for turning me towards it

[Marmot]

This place was too quiet tonight. It was just jack and kyle occasionally poking at each other. Where’s everybody else? This is a pretty crucial lynch. If you’re a civilian, please make your voice heard. Do you object to the cases that exist? Have any input on anyone at all? Talk about things, people!

why is this a crucial lynch?

If a civilian is lynched, and another civilian is nightkilled, then that leaves only two civilians left who can vote.

[Marmot]

And two mafia.

And two Indies.


That would be bad.

Kylemii, are you a member of mafia?

[Kylemii]

This place was too quiet tonight. It was just jack and kyle occasionally poking at each other. Where’s everybody else? This is a pretty crucial lynch. If you’re a civilian, please make your voice heard. Do you object to the cases that exist? Have any input on anyone at all? Talk about things, people!

why is this a crucial lynch?

If a civilian is lynched, and another civilian is nightkilled, then that leaves only two civilians left who can vote.

seems like it might have been nice for someone to mention that a little earlier than now, i thought we had more time than that

[Sloonei]

sloonei is indie sided with scum so he's putting minimal effort into solving the game, not everything is about you

No he’s not.

then prove me wrong.

First of all I don’t even know where this accusation is coming from so how do you propose I do that? Second, I’ve been spewing my thoughts and flooding the thread with ISOs over the last couple phases and I feel like I’ve pretty thoroughly stated my reads and where I stand at this time. I scum read you and so my vote is on you. But every time I’ve tried to get you to talk about your reads you’ve responded by saying I’m not doing enough, and then shared 0 reads yourself. I’m still waiting. For you to say I don’t care about scum hunting or whatever in this circumstance is ridiculous. Prove me wrong.

Sloonei. go back and *actually* read my posts, alright? If you seriously think I've given 0 reads then you haven't been reading anything I've said. I've probably given more reads in this game than any other game.

and yeah I know you're putting in physical footwork, but I don't trust you're doing it in an honest way. you're dismissing possible conclusions too easily. I don't trust that. especially in light of the fact that quin chose the mafia.

I know you have given reads. I’ve seen them. I mea that in all of these inatances over the last phase and a half where I have asked you to share updated reads, you’ve consistently deflected and failed to say anything new. That is a thing that I don’t like.

What conclusions am I dismissing too easily? You’re not allowed to say Jack bussing speedchuck because I wrote a gosh darn novel about that shit. And tell me what your thoughts are RE: Quin. There has been very little talk about his flip, I’ll grant you that.

[Sloonei]

@Sloonei also, westworld is pretty good so far thanks for turning me towards it

You are welcome.

[Kylemii]

And two mafia.

And two Indies.


That would be bad.

Kylemii, are you a member of mafia?

no

[Kylemii]

I know you have given reads. I’ve seen them. I mea that in all of these inatances over the last phase and a half where I have asked you to share updated reads, you’ve consistently deflected and failed to say anything new. That is a thing that I don’t like.

i'm not obligated to do what you or jack or anyone tells me what to do, sloonei. I've been occupied this phase with mother's day and other more pressing matters in a different game, and it's not like it's a super inviting experience, having people shove votes at me and telling me that nothing I've said or done counts for anything.

What conclusions am I dismissing too easily? You’re not allowed to say Jack bussing speedchuck because I wrote a gosh darn novel about that shit.

idk. I'm tired. this discussion isn't going anywhere. if you don't trust me for not completely trusting that you have civs best interests at heart then go for it. Do whatever you want. You haven't been yourself this game and you know it.

And tell me what your thoughts are RE: Quin. There has been very little talk about his flip, I’ll grant you that.

quin died, sloonei. he was lynched, really recently.

I'd been working under the assumption that all the Indies would pick a civ faction to support, because why wouldn't they? the timing seemed to indicate that. the first two Indies chose their alignments around the timing of significant civ victories. Quin's flip as having chosen to align with the mafia made me question that, and by extension, you.

[Jackofhearts2005]

This place was too quiet tonight. It was just jack and kyle occasionally poking at each other. Where’s everybody else? This is a pretty crucial lynch. If you’re a civilian, please make your voice heard. Do you object to the cases that exist? Have any input on anyone at all? Talk about things, people!

why is this a crucial lynch?

If a civilian is lynched, and another civilian is nightkilled, then that leaves only two civilians left who can vote.

seems like it might have been nice for someone to mention that a little earlier than now, i thought we had more time than that

I did but I guess you didn’t notice.

[Jackofhearts2005]

[mention]Kylemii[/mention]

What does Quin’s flip have to do with Sloonei?

[Kylemii]

I don't want to keep talking about this. If your heart is set on lynching me then do it. In the meantime I want to talk about things that will lead to solving the game in the meantime, and I'd appreciate your participation.

[Kylemii]

@Kylemii

What does Quin’s flip have to do with Sloonei?

quin wolbre and sloonei are the most likely Indies. wolbre did a slip early on that involved sloonei, and later quin. then quin flipped indie after being lynched last phase

[Kylemii]

ugh... i was planning to just die and let you guys inevitably sort things out after my death. now that i know the game is possibly on the line I guess I should probably try to avert that.

[Kylemii]

if jack is mafia then he's already won and nothing can reasonably be done about it so im ignoring that possibility

[Kylemii]

spacedaisy was largely the cause of speedchuck death and speedchuck voted for her when she was almost lynched, 2 votes down from

sloonei and wolbre are probably indies, I think? maybe I'm wrong. if anyone has a reason to think they're not, say something because if their placement is different then it changes a few things.

Marmot is helot.

I still don't believe that Nova's interactions with Colin gaurantee his innocence as much as you guys seem to think they do.

that should leave dunya and Turnip Head but that doesn't feel right as a mafia pairing especially considering turnip head is trying to lynch dunya. so something from earlier has to be wrong.

[Kylemii]

of course as soon as i try to solve the game no one's around

[Kylemii]

idk i gotta sleep, i'll be back after work tomorrow

[Jackofhearts2005]

@Kylemii

What does Quin’s flip have to do with Sloonei?

quin wolbre and sloonei are the most likely Indies. wolbre did a slip early on that involved sloonei, and later quin. then quin flipped indie after being lynched last phase

I meant his being town or mafia aligned if he is 3P.

[Kylemii]

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@Kylemii

What does Quin’s flip have to do with Sloonei?
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quin wolbre and sloonei are the most likely Indies. wolbre did a slip early on that involved sloonei, and later quin. then quin flipped indie after being lynched last phase
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I meant his being town or mafia aligned if he is 3P.
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don't you think the 3p would influlence each other's decisions at least a little? after days of btsc?

[Turnip Head]

morning errbody

howww we doin

[Turnip Head]

if jack is mafia then he's already won and nothing can reasonably be done about it so im ignoring that possibility

[Marmot]

morning errbody

howww we doin

TH, you drinking in the morning?