The Syndicate

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu May 30, 2024 3:47 pm I ended up bussing Roxy, because Lime Coke's vote forced my hand (and he deserves much credit for that).

Once Lime voted Roxy, that left me with a dilemma. Either I immediately bus Roxy to prevent splints from voting her (so I at least have that credit on her), or I take the massive risk of hoping splints will vote Sloonei. I didn't figure splints would tie the Sloonei-Roxy tally at 2-2 and then hand me the deciding vote, so I made the quick decision to proceed with the bus. I didn't want to do that! I wanted to win yesterday!

Lime Coke wrote: ↑Thu May 30, 2024 3:41 pm Yup god...dammit.

Idk I don't think I could've gotten there confidently.

So fucking annoying but it's on me.

Roxy wrote: ↑Sat May 18, 2024 7:43 am Lime Coke feels absent.

Roxy wrote: ↑Mon May 20, 2024 10:37 am

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sun May 19, 2024 5:09 pm @fingersplints, @Roxy --> y'all didn't vote. Why

I had planned on it but rl happened with my head and a concussion. Sometimes being a YaYa hurts. Had planned to vote Lime as they are not playing in the townie way I had gotten used to expecting.

Roxy wrote: ↑Mon May 20, 2024 11:00 am

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sun May 19, 2024 5:48 pm

Long Con wrote: ↑Sun May 19, 2024 5:41 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sun May 19, 2024 5:36 pm [VOTE: No Vote] aubergine

I'll think things over. I may just give Day 1 a reread since it was so short.

I appreciate that, as I am trying to convey the actual true passion I am feeling about the situation, and I hope this means that it is being felt.

At the very least, I can believe that a mafia team with Long Con that kills G-Man does so against his protest or somehow without communication. And that means something.

Maybe but tbh if I was on a team that did a kill behind my back, the next day they are being bussed heavily.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu May 30, 2024 1:42 am Associations of fingersplints and Roxy

From fingersplints

Spoiler: show

fingersplints wrote: ↑Thu May 23, 2024 7:33 pm Ok I decided to start with the dead players ISO/polls first. Almost all of this has certainly already been discussed, but posting it anyways

falcon

suspicion of Sloonei

delta “probably” maf, jjj town in jjj or delta scenario

maybe suspicion of Lime Coke

Votes Sloonei
(Day ends with falcon 3 - gman, Sloonei, and delta. Sloonei with 2 - falcon, jjj. Delta, Epi, Long Con, and Roxy 1 each)

Night 1 - gman killed

gman

slight suspicion of delta but not enough to make his POE later in last post before his falcon vote

POE - falcon, both LC’s, Roxy, Sloonei

Dr Wilgy

I didn’t get a real clear idea of who he suspected or thought was town from his posts, as there was some joking as is his norm.

Day 1 - he voted Epi but I’m not clear why. Day 2 he didn’t vote.

Vote ended with a tie ( 3 Wilgy - Epi, Lime Coke, Delta. 3 Lime Coke - Roxy, JJJ, Sloonei. 1 Delta - Long Con)

Ok I’ve run out of time to do Long Con as it’s after midnight, but so far my analysis is I can see why Lime coke and delta are getting votes just based on this alone. Delta voted for town killed both days, and received some suspicion by both killed at night (very light suspicion from gman, and voted day 2 from long Con)

Lime Coke was tied yesterday, and on gmans POE so also not a great look.

I’d probably put Sloonei in my POE just based on this ^^^ falcon’s suspicion and falcon being eliminated day 1 when he had second most votes, gmans POE. However voted Lime Coke, not Wilgy so probably not team with LC.

JJJ looking good with both his votes, and seemed town read.

Need further evaluation on epi and Roxy.

JJJ

Epi/Roxy

Sloonei

lime coke/delta

This was her first mention of Roxy on Day 3. Roxy and Epi are both only mentioned by their vote histories without a conclusive read, so there's not much to be done with this yet.

fingersplints wrote: ↑Sun May 26, 2024 10:04 am fingersplints/JJJ
fingersplints/Lime Coke
fingersplints/Roxy
fingersplints/Sloonei
JJJ/Lime Coke
JJJ/Roxy
JJJ/Sloonei
Lime Coke/Roxy
Lime Coke/Sloonei
Roxy/Sloonei

Going through all possibly pairings, I even included myself there for everyone to use, but I’m going to eliminate those for myself now as I know I’m town. I’ve also said I don’t think LC and Sloonei are together.

Roxy and JJJ (along with Sloonei) voted for Lime Coke day 2 tying for most votes, since that could have led to elimination I say I will eliminate all those pairings as well. This has pretty much cleared Lime Coke for me and leaving me with these three options to think about.

JJJ/Roxy
JJJ/Sloonei
Roxy/Sloonei

The next mention is here on Day 4 (final five), when splints theorized various teams equally implicating Sloonei, Roxy, and I. Her process for arriving at these combinations was essentially mechanical -- it's what was left after she elected to remove Lime Coke from consideration. It's still valuable that she was willing to execute that process at least to this degree.

fingersplints wrote: ↑Sun May 26, 2024 10:33 am Been doing reading, and from Roxy, I can’t say that there is anything I found there that says she COULDN’T be paired with either JJJ or Sloonei, I didn’t find anything making it LIKELY either. I didn’t find anything too suspicious in her posts at all

This is important, as it establishes a final five platform in which Sloonei and I are both more overtly suspicious to her than Roxy is (and thus we become her odds-on votes by my interpretation).

fingersplints wrote: ↑Sun May 26, 2024 11:55 am

Roxy wrote: ↑Sun May 26, 2024 11:48 am Do you think I'm bad? I really thought you would come in here and be like Rox is civ.
I do like that you looked at posts made this analysis but to group me like I'm a baddie, ok I guess.

If you were voting now where do you vote?

This is what I had left just after vote analysis. I read your posts after and said I didn’t find anything too suspicious at all. I’d say you are more likely to be town at this point, leaving sloonei and jjj left.

If I was voting right now I’d vote Sloonei

This exchange is difficult to parse. I could see it being Roxy attempting to assuage fingersplints' half-concerns or serve as an emotional appeal, which would be good for splints. I could also see it as a half-hearted distancing effort that does not rake too hard and leaves room for Roxy to vote anyone else. I am not willing to offer such a significantly wifom clearance at this point in the game.

fingersplints wrote: ↑Sun May 26, 2024 11:59 am

Roxy wrote: ↑Fri May 24, 2024 4:28 pm voted delta

Almost forgot to vote, no one is listening to me about Lime so I followed Epi the only other one I trust

I read this as town Rox. Slightly annoyed you feel no one is listening to you, which I don’t feel you’d want to say if you were mafia

splints bolstered the appeal to emotion character of Roxy's play. Given their history playing together, this is the kind of read where I think we'd most rely on splints as a judge of Roxy (to understand her personality when assessing things like appeal to emotion), so this troubles me some. Being wrong is not a crime, but this is a damaging sort of wrong.


Roxy is much better at reading me than I am reading her. There have been games I have played with her where it seems she has identified me as town within a few posts, which is why I wasn’t too concerned when it happened this game. Now it’s obvious that of course she knew I was town.

fingersplints wrote: ↑Sun May 26, 2024 12:07 pm @Roxy if you had to vote right now who would you vote?

Standard prod, doesn't move the needle either way.

fingersplints wrote: ↑Mon May 27, 2024 7:22 am It is pretty typical of her. She’s probably the best at reading me.
I think her tone has been ok this game. Didn’t find anything very suspicious when reading her. Wish she’d discussed a bit more before voting, but I also don’t know her schedule today so maybe she’s busy who knows

This was a response by splints to my question for her about Roxy's relationship with her in the game. It essentially reiterates the previous viewpoint and reinforces the strength of their historical connection (granted, without claiming that splints reads Roxy as well as Roxy reads splints).

fingersplints wrote: ↑Mon May 27, 2024 7:29 am Roxy voting Sloonei means Roxy/Sloonei isn’t a viable option, therefore IMO the only possibilities could be JJJ/Roxy, and JJJ/Sloonei. So I think JJJ is pretty confirmed mafia as far as I can deduce and I still feel Sloonei > Rox as mafia. Guess we’ll see how the rest of the day goes. Need to see more where Lime Coke is at

This one stuck in my craw a little bit. splints immediately discarded the possibility of a Sloonei/Roxy final five bus out of hand. I responded to it quite oppositely, in that I was thinking aloud about the possibility that Roxy's abrupt Sloonei vote was a coordinated move. Perhaps I was guilty of being a big Parapoia Peter, but that's kind of the name of the town game at limlo. This move allowed fingersplints to shift her attention squarely to me and Sloonei, and I question the authenticity of that.

I didn’t think mafia teammates would bus in lylo like that which is why I eliminated Roxy/Sloonei. I was correct that Roxy/Sloonei are not teammates, but was wrong about the mafia not bussing in lylo.

fingersplints wrote: ↑Mon May 27, 2024 2:15 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Mon May 27, 2024 1:46 pm Ranking the likelihood of each player being partnered with Roxy:

Jay
Lime Coke
Fingersplints

I am not super confident in these rankings.

If you think Roxy is more likely paired with Lime Coke than me, how come you don’t have a Lime Coke/Roxy pairing here and instead have eliminated it?

Sloonei wrote: ↑Mon May 27, 2024 12:35 pm And from my perspective it is either Jay/Roxy or Roxy/fingersplints. I’m about 99% sure my vote ends up on Roxy today.

Also, correct me if I’m wrong and I could be misremembering, but I don’t remember you talking much about the possibility of a me/jjj pairing so how come that one was also eliminated and narrowed down to those two?

This is likely more about Sloonei than about Roxy, but I find it uncharitable.

~~~

There's a separate, but related, matter with fingersplints in final five that I also want to talk about. She sat on her vote the longest, which is her right. However, given the circumstances, we have to remember that the mafia needed one town to vote for one other town, and the game was over immediately (as long as their vote was still open for the town hammer).

I had personally voiced numerous suspicions of Sloonei. I was strongly considering a Sloonei vote all day long, and I think splints knew that. If I had done so, the game would have ended with the mafia joining me on that Sloonei vote (alongside Roxy). splints literally egged me on about placing my vote too:

fingersplints wrote: ↑Mon May 27, 2024 4:08 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sat May 25, 2024 5:42 pm I was hoping to be dead today. I have a trip coming and need to prepare.

I may vote reasonably early anyway. I think towns often make the mistake of waiting too long with locked votes and it prevents them from being able to operate with the information that the lock provides.

What happened to voting early?

In the end, Lime's own vote for Roxy helped to tip my own scales. It helped me to eliminate the Sloonei/splints team (not from being possible, but from being relevant -- the game would have been over), and that left me only with 1) any Roxy team, or 2) Lime being mafia. I took that leap of faith into voting based on option #1, and Roxy flipped mafia. I would owe town Lime for that (and I would both commend and question mafia Lime for making that bold bus decision).

I believed you and Sloonei were the mafia team, so I was of the opinion that you planned on voting early as you thought others might follow you but then when Sloonei voted, you were holding your vote to see how Lime Coke and I voted. I held onto my vote, because while I was quite sure how I was going to vote, I was also going to be around and wanted to see all the conversation first.

from Roxy (not already addressed)

Spoiler: show

Roxy wrote: ↑Sat May 18, 2024 6:52 am

G-Man wrote: ↑Fri May 17, 2024 12:17 pm We live in a world where both of our current no-posters (Wilgy and Splints) are baddies and planning to low-post coast through Day 1 to establish psychological advantage.

Discuss.

I'm never voting splints here.

Roxy wrote: ↑Sat May 18, 2024 7:29 am

Epignosis wrote: ↑Fri May 17, 2024 11:52 pm Would not vote:

Delta
JJJ
DrWilgy
fingersplints (D1 courtesy only)

Surprised yet happy to see splints on your list.

Roxy wrote: ↑Sat May 18, 2024 7:43 am Ok I am caught up and tbh there really is not much here from anyone that says "hey I am bad".

I always struggle on D 1's and am astounded at those that can pick and nudge people and find stuff on D 1.

Am not sure who is bad nor who to trust just yet. It's way too early for that.

I know I probs would not vote for Wigly or splints but I probs won't vote GMan as it has been a-while since we have last played and I am hopeful for a GMan style game since he is around! (how's the kids?)

Delta is high posting.
Lime Coke feels absent.
LC feels like he is auditioning for a SNL episode.
falcon seems normal but I cannot trust my read on him any longer.
JJJ feels like and eager beaver aiming to please.
Epi seems like Epi and since I feel he is bad he is probs good.
Sloonei I cannot even remember the last time we played but I do know this feels like you are doing your best Vompatti impression.


this is where I am and honestly very unsure of where my vote will go.

Roxy wrote: ↑Tue May 21, 2024 8:03 am easy peasy catch up


@fingersplints
splints wtf are you? iyatgyaihswcet!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Are you flying under my radar here? My paranoia know no bounds!

Roxy wrote: ↑Thu May 23, 2024 9:04 am

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Wed May 22, 2024 6:02 pm Show of hands. Is the following statement valid to you, yes or no?

If fingersplints was mafia, she would be more attentive to the game and also have a teammate pushing her into the thread to post and/or vote.

This is absolutely true

We can revisit this theme now, where Roxy repeatedly and vocally stood in splints' corner. With some players I might call this pocketing, but there's a uniquely Roxy reason why I don't do the same here. She is a premier example of an old-school Syndicate mindset in which BTSC is a sacred bond. I believe that Roxy would be this protective of someone she shares BTSC with, especially if that person is an old friend like fingersplints. So at the very least I am not offering town credit for this, and I would consider calling it an actual problem. This treatment was more or less mutual, and it sort of mirrors the Delta/Lime Coke experience in this game (the difference being: one of them flipped town already).

Additionally, at this stage that one exception up there, the "My paranoia know no bounds!" post, makes me laugh out loud. That is an awkward moment that feels almost forced into the universe. Roxy upheld the strong town read immediately after that when I provided a prompt. So, like, what?

~~~

Conclusion

There are some isolated moments that raise questions about splints/Roxy compatibility. However, I think this review does well to illustrate why I viewed this pairing as a meaningful possibility in the first place. There are reasons for concern here, and I don't think they require significant reaching.

As I suggested with the Lime Coke/Roxy review, I may have an impression, but my mind is not made up. I am still listening and welcome questions (as long as I can make the damned site load long enough to answer them).

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sat May 25, 2024 5:42 pm I was hoping to be dead today. I have a trip coming and need to prepare.

I may vote reasonably early anyway. I think towns often make the mistake of waiting too long with locked votes and it prevents them from being able to operate with the information that the lock provides.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Mon May 27, 2024 1:46 pm Ranking the likelihood of each player being partnered with Roxy:

Jay
Lime Coke
Fingersplints

I am not super confident in these rankings.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Mon May 27, 2024 12:35 pm And from my perspective it is either Jay/Roxy or Roxy/fingersplints. I’m about 99% sure my vote ends up on Roxy today.

fingersplints wrote: ↑Sun May 26, 2024 10:04 am fingersplints/JJJ
fingersplints/Lime Coke
fingersplints/Roxy
fingersplints/Sloonei
JJJ/Lime Coke
JJJ/Roxy
JJJ/Sloonei
Lime Coke/Roxy
Lime Coke/Sloonei
Roxy/Sloonei

Going through all possibly pairings, I even included myself there for everyone to use, but I’m going to eliminate those for myself now as I know I’m town. I’ve also said I don’t think LC and Sloonei are together.

Roxy and JJJ (along with Sloonei) voted for Lime Coke day 2 tying for most votes, since that could have led to elimination I say I will eliminate all those pairings as well. This has pretty much cleared Lime Coke for me and leaving me with these three options to think about.

JJJ/Roxy
JJJ/Sloonei
Roxy/Sloonei

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sun May 26, 2024 6:08 pm Reviewing Roxy

Spoiler: show

Roxy wrote: ↑Sat May 18, 2024 6:52 am

G-Man wrote: ↑Fri May 17, 2024 12:17 pm We live in a world where both of our current no-posters (Wilgy and Splints) are baddies and planning to low-post coast through Day 1 to establish psychological advantage.

Discuss.

I'm never voting splints here.

Strong pro-splints (or at least anti-vote-splints) stance in response to G-Man's thinking aloud. I believe this is the first in a series, or at least two to my memory, such comments about splints so that'll be something to follow.

Roxy wrote: ↑Sat May 18, 2024 7:07 am

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Fri May 17, 2024 4:02 pm

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Fri May 17, 2024 10:08 amWhat if I told you that there was a Canucks playoff game last night, and hockey > Maf?

I certainly believe you that hockey > Maf, though I’m not sure hockey prevents falcon from making falcon posts.

In your own words (and go easy here as it is Saturday and I'm not trying to use my brain today) please tell me what constitutes a falcon post?

This was a fair question, because I was vague in my wording. I appreciate Roxy holding me to some kind of standard here.

Roxy wrote: ↑Sat May 18, 2024 7:07 am

Epignosis wrote: ↑Fri May 17, 2024 7:16 pm I don't think Wilgy is mafia.

Is this in the same way I feel about splints?

Roxy wrote: ↑Sat May 18, 2024 7:07 am

Epignosis wrote: ↑Fri May 17, 2024 7:30 pm [VOTE: Sloonei] aubergine

What made you actually throw a vote?

These kinds of questions are less impactful and don't move the needle much.

Roxy wrote: ↑Sat May 18, 2024 7:29 am

Epignosis wrote: ↑Fri May 17, 2024 11:52 pm Would not vote:

Delta
JJJ
DrWilgy
fingersplints (D1 courtesy only)

Surprised yet happy to see splints on your list.

Another solid vouch for fingersplints, at this point I believe still before she had posted. This may be more policy than interpersonal (i.e., something driven by the unique relationships that exist between splints and Roxy). I'll ask about that after this review.

Roxy wrote: ↑Sat May 18, 2024 7:43 am Ok I am caught up and tbh there really is not much here from anyone that says "hey I am bad".

I always struggle on D 1's and am astounded at those that can pick and nudge people and find stuff on D 1.

Am not sure who is bad nor who to trust just yet. It's way too early for that.

I know I probs would not vote for Wigly or splints but I probs won't vote GMan as it has been a-while since we have last played and I am hopeful for a GMan style game since he is around! (how's the kids?)

Delta is high posting.
Lime Coke feels absent.
LC feels like he is auditioning for a SNL episode.
falcon seems normal but I cannot trust my read on him any longer.
JJJ feels like and eager beaver aiming to please.
Epi seems like Epi and since I feel he is bad he is probs good.
Sloonei I cannot even remember the last time we played but I do know this feels like you are doing your best Vompatti impression.


this is where I am and honestly very unsure of where my vote will go.

I can't quite say that these reads are actually reads. This is uninspiring.

Roxy, I believe I'd asked you what you meant exactly by "eager beaver aiming to please" before, and I don't recall seeing an answer. It could be interpreted as a good thing or as a bad thing. I'd appreciate you doing so today.

Roxy wrote: ↑Mon May 20, 2024 10:37 am

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sun May 19, 2024 5:09 pm @fingersplints, @Roxy --> y'all didn't vote. Why

I had planned on it but rl happened with my head and a concussion. Sometimes being a YaYa hurts. Had planned to vote Lime as they are not playing in the townie way I had gotten used to expecting.

Roxy also missed the Day 1 vote. I'm content to take this explanation and move on. I hope you're doing alright, Roxy.

I had planned on it but rl happened with my head and a concussion. Sometimes being a YaYa hurts. Had planned to vote Lime as they are not playing in the townie way I had gotten used to expecting.

I totally agree with the Gman take. He has been missed and I can say that NO - you would never have made this kill. Kinda like me with newbies and not voting them on D 1's.

I also agree that Delta going after falcon for saying he wanted to keep players that they haven't played with for awhile around.

I have also noted no mention was made of me for saying basically the same thing here:

Roxy immediately accepted Long Con's appeal regarding the G-Man kill. If there's anything to do with this, it'd be to assess if a mafia Roxy would anticipate that kind of reaction to a G-Man kill (which would be motivation not to do it). I don't think I am comfortable making that leap though.

Roxy wrote: ↑Mon May 20, 2024 11:00 am

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sun May 19, 2024 5:48 pm

Long Con wrote: ↑Sun May 19, 2024 5:41 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sun May 19, 2024 5:36 pm [VOTE: No Vote] aubergine

I'll think things over. I may just give Day 1 a reread since it was so short.

I appreciate that, as I am trying to convey the actual true passion I am feeling about the situation, and I hope this means that it is being felt.

At the very least, I can believe that a mafia team with Long Con that kills G-Man does so against his protest or somehow without communication. And that means something.

Maybe but tbh if I was on a team that did a kill behind my back, the next day they are being bussed heavily.

It'd be funny if this somehow ended up being literal.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sun May 19, 2024 10:06 pm I will explain my falcon vote in more detail once I have food in my belly. Full sentences too much work.

Looking forward to it bc during my catch up I disliked your reasoning thinking it did not make sense. He called your response "boiler plate" level. Which cannot be good but I think he was trying to bring you more into the game and instead of town'ing up you voted him. Seemed a bit like "nananana boo-boo"

Here's some precedent for Sloonei suspicion leading to today's vote. The rationale is a bit reachy. I'm not sure falcon was "trying to bring Sloonei more into the game" as much as he was just stating a suspicion. I can agree that Sloonei's response was iffy though.

Roxy wrote: ↑Mon May 20, 2024 11:25 am I get what you are saying but I disagree on the take. I feel the opposite is true. Bad falcon tends to be quieter and barely has reads he will stand by. Town falcon seems more involved in hunting than not and has no problem giving reads.

I'd have liked this response to Sloonei more if had come the previous day.

Roxy wrote: ↑Mon May 20, 2024 11:33 am

Epignosis wrote: ↑Mon May 20, 2024 12:00 am I agree with Long Con's assessment though. The mafia goofed and are unaware of the dynamic here.

I agree wholeheartedly on this.

These posts by Lime concern me. This progression and vibe are off.

Lime Coke wrote: ↑Mon May 20, 2024 2:06 am Alright well guys I wanted to sit down and read the game but I have 0 motivation to do that and probably nobody on when I get on so...

*Touch*

Lime Coke wrote: ↑Mon May 20, 2024 2:07 am Oh I'm being voted.

Rather unfortunate.

Also disappointing because I'm playing like this in a game with strong players.

Not a fan of Delta being voted I'd much rather me go and y'all just don't vote him ever but bleh.

Lime Coke wrote: ↑Mon May 20, 2024 3:11 am Mmmm...

[VOTE: Long Con] aubergine

Maybe we never actually rand town together after all.

Unclear what the "vibe" or "progression" refer to in this context or why they are off.

Roxy wrote: ↑Tue May 21, 2024 7:55 am

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Mon May 20, 2024 3:37 pm I’m feeling pretty wiped, so I am going to take it easy with Mafia today. I’ll still poke around periodically so if y’all want my take on something just say the word.

Otherwise I’ll be quiet for a bit.

This just feels awkward. But I get it and have felt this way before Idk if I have ever seen *you* make this sort of statement.

Fair observation. I don't typically make posts like that, so I don't fault Roxy for regarding it as awkward. Covid gonna covid

Roxy wrote: ↑Tue May 21, 2024 7:55 amUh---any of us? C'mon! While unlikely any of us would do it, it is a lie to say none of us would *ever* do it. LC with his emotional plea would be the only one I would allow ANY leeway for other than that it could be anyone in this game.

It may be implied by the "us", but here's a good opportunity to just ask the question. Roxy, would you be willing to kill G-Man on Night 1?

Delta wrote: ↑Tue May 21, 2024 3:59 am I do want to put stock into what Long Con's saying about people being likely/unlikely to kill G-Man, I do think at the very least he's likely town from it because I cant see a partner pushing that kill through when he feels this strongly about it

I dont really think it's Brad though and given the main focus for people likely to kill him are those with less experience with him, I'm kinda at a loss because I'm town & I think he is as well

So it's a weird situation of 'where do I do from there'

What is happening Delta?
Why don't you think Lime aka brad is bad?
Why are you at a loss?
In every game I have played with I can't say I have ever seen you at a "loss" of any kind - def never a loss for words.
I would like to know your thought process for this vote - do you have a POE? Rainbow list? Or something else?

Can't blame Roxy for asking these questions when I found myself wondering many of the same things. Bless Delta, for he was innocent, but he seemed well out of character in the moment.

Roxy wrote: ↑Tue May 21, 2024 8:01 am

Lime Coke wrote: ↑Tue May 21, 2024 4:32 am

Delta wrote: ↑Tue May 21, 2024 3:59 am I do want to put stock into what Long Con's saying about people being likely/unlikely to kill G-Man, I do think at the very least he's likely town from it because I cant see a partner pushing that kill through when he feels this strongly about it

I dont really think it's Brad though and given the main focus for people likely to kill him are those with less experience with him, I'm kinda at a loss because I'm town & I think he is as well

So it's a weird situation of 'where do I do from there'

Is there anyone you're seeing as wolfy or at the least not a townread? The best we can do is just try to form a wagon ourselves and see where it goes from there.

What makes you townread Delta? Is it bc they townread you? You are going to form your own wagon? Why not try to find other townies so we can actually find a baddie for elim? Maybe if we work together instead of new against old we would get somewhere.

That last sentence is legitimately a great sentiment. I'm not entirely sure that Roxy has lived that statement in this game, but the concept is excellent. That tension between the strategic appeal and the actual play is a bit concerning.

Roxy wrote: ↑Tue May 21, 2024 8:03 am easy peasy catch up


@fingersplints
splints wtf are you? iyatgyaihswcet!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Are you flying under my radar here? My paranoia know no bounds!

Dramatic. I don't know what warranted paranoia about splints in this moment. People are absent sometimes.

Roxy wrote: ↑Tue May 21, 2024 8:20 am @Delta your post here in response to Gman is what made me get bad vibes from you since D 1.

You say here that LC was stoking the fire betwixt falcon and sloonei to not get his hands dirty but reading back *YOU* were also doing much of the same ---Trying not to get your hands dirty-----

then you plop that vote down on LC.

when you did the same thing. your tone reads as though you are not really gunning or looking for your own baddies but instead disagree or agree with others about their reads.

Make a list of your poe or rainbow peoples. Thanks in advance.

While the Delta read has since gone sour, I think I like the severity of this post. Particularly the motion from "you're just agreeing/disagreeing with others" to "make your own reads list" is a decent glimpse into a solving brain.

Roxy wrote: ↑Tue May 21, 2024 10:51 am

Lime Coke wrote: ↑Tue May 21, 2024 8:37 am 1. Delta felt super solvey with what little the game had to offer early. Has continued and things like the Long Con read feels like good faith solving.
Annnnd maybe relate to him because we're on the bottom of the barrel this game and need to fight upwards.


2. I...actually don't know.
I actually feel like if this was like a bigger game like 15+ I'd just throw you into towns but it's lower so maybe that's why I'm being less generous?

ok thanks for the response?

Can you answer the questions?
What are different about my posts vs JJJ or LC?
What makes my posts "wolfy"?

You only explained that Delta felt "super solvey" and you like they continued with their Long Con read in good faith. (I disagree here but we are talking about YOUR reads).

This moment is a decent reflection of the "work together instead of new against old" that Roxy mentioned previously, so at least there's more than zero evidence of that in progress. "Working together" is a stretch, but it's amicable and leaves room for some kind of productive dialogue.

Roxy wrote: ↑Tue May 21, 2024 3:59 pm vote lime

It's now or never for me as I must be in YaYa mode henceforth

I voted Lime bc that is where my hed is today. I know some think he is hunting but I've seen nothing of it. I mean I asked them to expand on why I'm bad bc of my wall posts and it turns out bc mine were the only ones they read so they couldn't give an opinion on JJJ or LC.
It stuck in my craw and now I must vote them.

We must also note that it didn't hold up. Whether this is a "problem" is wholly dependent upon Lime Coke's alignment, so perhaps I'll build on that once I get to his review.

Roxy wrote: ↑Thu May 23, 2024 9:04 am

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Wed May 22, 2024 6:02 pm Show of hands. Is the following statement valid to you, yes or no?

If fingersplints was mafia, she would be more attentive to the game and also have a teammate pushing her into the thread to post and/or vote.

This is absolutely true

Werd, cool, I dig. Roxy's overall reception of splints has been quite positive save that moment of paranoia, so Roxy should talk about whatever that was.

Roxy wrote: ↑Thu May 23, 2024 10:43 am C'mon that eod with Lime and Delta both voting Wigly felt like it was a scramble to save Lime from elim.

This kind of thing doesn't thrill me. So and so was saving so and so. Meh.

Roxy wrote: ↑Fri May 24, 2024 4:28 pm voted delta

Almost forgot to vote, no one is listening to me about Lime so I followed Epi the only other one I trust

Okay. Maybe a bit lame to credit the miss-vote to Epignosis instead of taking responsibility.

There are some decent moments in here, though the holistic view is more ambiguous. It isn't always easy to follow where Roxy's head is at, and some of her content seems to be deceptively shallow. I wouldn't clear her on the basis of this review. Given that it's ambiguous, I'd love to hear from others (beyond just Sloonei, who has already reviewed Roxy himself).

In particular, @fingersplints, Roxy has given you unique treatment in this game (a higher level of trust). Would you say this is typical of her? How do you feel about Roxy in general, independent of POEs or associations?

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sun May 26, 2024 1:56 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sun May 26, 2024 1:50 pm

fingersplints wrote: ↑Sat May 18, 2024 4:45 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sat May 18, 2024 4:37 pm With time constrained, I will expand on this. I thought falcon's take on Sloonei was pretty token. When asked for reads, Sloonei gave two that could be viewed as "generic" (that Delta and I earned a town point for making the game move). While I don't think those reads necessarily indicate that Sloonei is mafia, I was not surprised that falcon griped. They were easy reads to make that defer thread engagement to others without "ruffling feathers" (or it's easy to understand why someone would perceive them that way). Perhaps that's a surface accusation on falcon's part, but I'd call that kind of thing his M.O.

I think you have made some good points

Implication seems to be that this argument from Jay is at least part of the reason she suspects falcon.

@fingersplints should clarify her own view that I made good points here, because the message of my post was that falcon was on-brand with his usual town play, not that he was suspicious.

Roxy wrote: ↑Fri May 24, 2024 4:28 pm voted delta

Almost forgot to vote, no one is listening to me about Lime so I followed Epi the only other one I trust

Roxy wrote: ↑Sun May 26, 2024 11:48 am

fingersplints wrote: ↑Sun May 26, 2024 10:04 am fingersplints/JJJ
fingersplints/Lime Coke
fingersplints/Roxy
fingersplints/Sloonei
JJJ/Lime Coke
JJJ/Roxy
JJJ/Sloonei
Lime Coke/Roxy
Lime Coke/Sloonei
Roxy/Sloonei

Going through all possibly pairings, I even included myself there for everyone to use, but I’m going to eliminate those for myself now as I know I’m town. I’ve also said I don’t think LC and Sloonei are together.

Roxy and JJJ (along with Sloonei) voted for Lime Coke day 2 tying for most votes, since that could have led to elimination I say I will eliminate all those pairings as well. This has pretty much cleared Lime Coke for me and leaving me with these three options to think about.

JJJ/Roxy
JJJ/Sloonei
Roxy/Sloonei

Do you think I'm bad? I really thought you would come in here and be like Rox is civ.
I do like that you looked at posts made this analysis but to group me like I'm a baddie, ok I guess.

If you were voting now where do you vote?

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sat May 25, 2024 5:51 pm I wonder about Sloonei not killing me after Day 1 if he's mafia. That'd be a choice. Perhaps the G-Man kill offered a different out without being so blatant.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sat May 25, 2024 5:57 pm

Lime Coke wrote: ↑Sat May 25, 2024 5:55 pm Like all of this... just for bottom 2 of Delta/Me.

I was massively disappointed because I also feel like FS even when she has limited time will still make herself to be obvious town and have something to give that helps town out.
And to add to that: Find me as town because she has a good read on me.

I can agree the final product is generic. I thought the process was decent (i.e., I have been out of commission, I'll check on the dead players to regain my footing).

@fingersplints should expand on what made the red reads red.

Lime Coke wrote: ↑Sat May 25, 2024 5:55 pm

fingersplints wrote: ↑Thu May 23, 2024 7:33 pm Ok I decided to start with the dead players ISO/polls first. Almost all of this has certainly already been discussed, but posting it anyways

falcon

suspicion of Sloonei

delta “probably” maf, jjj town in jjj or delta scenario

maybe suspicion of Lime Coke

Votes Sloonei
(Day ends with falcon 3 - gman, Sloonei, and delta. Sloonei with 2 - falcon, jjj. Delta, Epi, Long Con, and Roxy 1 each)

Night 1 - gman killed

gman

slight suspicion of delta but not enough to make his POE later in last post before his falcon vote

POE - falcon, both LC’s, Roxy, Sloonei

Dr Wilgy

I didn’t get a real clear idea of who he suspected or thought was town from his posts, as there was some joking as is his norm.

Day 1 - he voted Epi but I’m not clear why. Day 2 he didn’t vote.

Vote ended with a tie ( 3 Wilgy - Epi, Lime Coke, Delta. 3 Lime Coke - Roxy, JJJ, Sloonei. 1 Delta - Long Con)

Ok I’ve run out of time to do Long Con as it’s after midnight, but so far my analysis is I can see why Lime coke and delta are getting votes just based on this alone. Delta voted for town killed both days, and received some suspicion by both killed at night (very light suspicion from gman, and voted day 2 from long Con)

Lime Coke was tied yesterday, and on gmans POE so also not a great look.

I’d probably put Sloonei in my POE just based on this ^^^ falcon’s suspicion and falcon being eliminated day 1 when he had second most votes, gmans POE. However voted Lime Coke, not Wilgy so probably not team with LC.

JJJ looking good with both his votes, and seemed town read.

Need further evaluation on epi and Roxy.

JJJ

Epi/Roxy

Sloonei

lime coke/delta

Like all of this... just for bottom 2 of Delta/Me.


I was massively disappointed because I also feel like FS even when she has limited time will still make herself to be obvious town and have something to give that helps town out.
And to add to that: Find me as town because she has a good read on me.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sat May 18, 2024 4:53 pm Well we have eight minutes. I don't feel a falcon vote.

Lime Coke wrote: ↑Sat May 18, 2024 4:47 pm Oh it's actually Fingersplints.

I saw a blue name like 15 minutes ago post but was disappointed that it was Wilgy.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sat May 18, 2024 4:37 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sat May 18, 2024 4:07 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sat May 18, 2024 3:57 pm [VOTE: falcon] aubergine

The pressure he directed toward me early in the day fwlt aimless and arbitrary.

I had a pretty different perspective of this. I will give falcon a little time (maybe very little with the deadline approaching) to answer for himself before I expand.

With time constrained, I will expand on this. I thought falcon's take on Sloonei was pretty token. When asked for reads, Sloonei gave two that could be viewed as "generic" (that Delta and I earned a town point for making the game move). While I don't think those reads necessarily indicate that Sloonei is mafia, I was not surprised that falcon griped. They were easy reads to make that defer thread engagement to others without "ruffling feathers" (or it's easy to understand why someone would perceive them that way). Perhaps that's a surface accusation on falcon's part, but I'd call that kind of thing his M.O.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sat May 18, 2024 3:53 pm

fingersplints wrote: ↑Sat May 18, 2024 3:46 pm I’d also say man is behaving what I’d consider quite normally a town lean from him

Hi splints! To whom does this refer?