JaggedJimmyJay wrote:Theory:
DB and niju are the Camerata. They're trying to generate negative press about me because they genuinely believe I am the Process, and thus lynching me would win them the game today.
Nope. You're bad. I'm not.
kneel4justice wrote:
Next, there is
Niju. Now this is kind of difficult. Because,
Niju seems to feel better about me than other players such as
DrumBeats and
JJJ, which naturally, makes me want her to be good.
But, the first thing that I noticed with
Niju was that when
JJJ said that
Niju and I (
K4J) were more likely to be the process; she blew off the idea - completely. Made it look like
JJJ was making things up. But never did
Niju seem to actually consider that
JJJ was right in thinking I was the process. Instead, she dismissed his idea all together. She wanted to discredit him. It just came off weird to me. Don't get me wrong - I am not the process, but how does
Niju know I am not? It seemed to me she was focused on rejecting the suspicion all together - that she wanted to discredit everything
JJJ was saying. I mean when I read
JJJ's claim, yes, I thought to myself - I am not the process. But - I definitely did consider, is
Niju the process? I didn't outright object that there might be something to
JJJ's thoughts. The fact that she did - makes me feel like it was kind of over-defensive.
Finally, this post:
nijuukyugou wrote:
Getting desperate? Way to throw suspicion every which-way but yourselves/each other ("DB would make an interesting teammate" is hardly suspicion). I was curious as to who you guys plan to kill tonight, JJJ and DB, but it looks like you've already stated your plans in the thread. This is fun.
I feel like
Niju is too confident in what is going on, in this post and I think that is suspicious. I know you guys don't know me very well if at all, because this is not my home site and I play here rarely - but I have played a lot of mafia and I think this is a classic scum tell. It's just too aggressive at this stage. People should be confused - understanding that no, not everyone knows what's going on. I think
Niju is trying to do whatever to ensure that she herself is not lynched and that this strong reaction is evidence of her panicking.
Now. I am open to the idea that I could be wrong. I am by no means sold. So please, if people can actually converse, and speak with me, that would be great.
First point: You're right - I was focused on pointing out JJJ's BS, not addressing the possibility of your being the Process. However, I did address it slightly, by asking him why two other players (DF and Mac) would be
more likely to be Process. Sure, you could be, but I was focused on getting an answer regarding his so-called suspicions. The point was that I didn't believe your possibility was more so than those two, according to what he was saying.
Second point: nah, I'm not panicking for myself. I'm being aggressive/snarky because yes, I do want to win at this point, and yes, I absolutely believe JJJ is bad and has done a helluva job bamboozling us from the beginning. I do realize it looks suspect, coming out with strong, aggressive suspicion of a player, but it's what llama and Mac were trying to do, although they weren't able to/did not attempt to prove that JJJ is bad. It is understandably difficult to do so, as his voting record is pretty nice-looking. However, he himself made this point about me and my voting record: an immaculate record is not automatically indicative of civilian behavior, and that civs usually make more mistakes. And considering his vote for MP was on a day where the only other person gaining more than one vote was himself, that takes away from his credibility on that day's vote.
But let's talk about JJJ's interactions with MP, shall we? I like links better than spoilers/quotes, especially for MP's long-ass posts, so that's what I'm a-gonna do.
http://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/viewto ... 07#p278007
In which MP says he "doesn't know what to think of JJJ just yet" and "understands that he's busy with games." Puts him on his wishy-washy yellow list.
http://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/viewto ... 08#p279108
In which MP "looks at JJJ" to come up with ISOs/analyses of everyone while MP is away.
http://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/viewto ... 52#p281352
In which MP updates his rainbow list and puts JJJ in green for his interactive ISOs. Puts me in green, too, which is something that asshole does when he's bad to curry favor with me :P (You'll just have to take my word on that last point.)
Now, this is a nice visual, so I'll cut with the links:
MovingPictures07 wrote:JaggedJimmyJay wrote:I think a lot of possible discussion surrounding this circumstance is contingent upon the lynch result.
Yeah, you're totally right, I just feel weird seeing the discussion halt completely during the last half hour of EoD. A lot of my reads and opinions will be contingent upon the result as well, especially if Elo is lynched. I don't feel we'll learn as much if zebra is lynched, but it's hard to say at the moment.
MovingPictures07 wrote:JaggedJimmyJay wrote:AllAlongTheBoardwalk wrote:What's up with Cell voting for me? I wanting if that will cause anything to happen related to the process? Thoughts?
Whether there'll be consequences I couldn't say.
Given that Cell voted off-wagons, I think he/she might be trying to get people to WIFOM about whether you're the one that placed the vote.
If it's not you.
I agree.
MovingPictures07 wrote:JaggedJimmyJay wrote:What do you like about Doc, MP?
A few things:
1) His thoughts regarding Elo towards EoD, and his willingness to give her an hour to respond to his concerns
2) His GTH read exercise with you in real time
3) His insistence in throwing out GTH reads of his own, all of which are tentatively believable as genuine given his recent content
All reads are slight for now pending a flip or two, but yeah, Wilgy's recent behavior seems town to me.
MovingPictures07 wrote:JaggedJimmyJay wrote:I think a lot of possible discussion surrounding this circumstance is contingent upon the lynch result.
Yeah, you're totally right, I just feel weird seeing the discussion halt completely during the last half hour of EoD. A lot of my reads and opinions will be contingent upon the result as well, especially if Elo is lynched. I don't feel we'll learn as much if zebra is lynched, but it's hard to say at the moment.
MovingPictures07 wrote:JaggedJimmyJay wrote:MP: is your read on nutella impacted by the shift in your read on Elohcin?
Inevitably, yeah, but I don't have any flips yet, so I'm hesitant to move nutella to null or town just based on Elo's descent. I still would like to hear from nutella before re-evaluating.
MovingPictures07 wrote:JaggedJimmyJay wrote:My preferred lynch is Elohcin.
Let's do it then. CFD Elohcin.
VOTES ELOHCIN
MovingPictures07 wrote:JaggedJimmyJay wrote:This might prove a telling flip given the progression of Day 1.
MovingPictures07 wrote:JaggedJimmyJay wrote:In summary I think there's a valid reason to suspect nearly everyone in the Zebra wagon. The only vote that I don't find especially troubling is Matt's. I am sure not everyone else in that wagon is a baddie, so it's important that everyone involved say their piece and enable a fuller conversation.
How would you rank them in terms of least to most suspicious? I'm going to mull over that myself now that we know Elo was mafia and provide my ranking.
I'm going to reassess in light of the new information before I put up any sort of ranking. Eloh was a point of significant discussion and I'm going to do some interactive reads.
That sounds good to me. I was hoping to do some myself if you didn't get around to it first.
I'm going to at least throw up a new rainbow here due to my lack of being able to talk during Day 2, subject to change pending further investigation by myself, you, or others.
Try looking for a post of JJJ's that MP responds to that he doesn't agree with, or that he doesn't praise him for his ISOs. The only time he mildly disagrees is when JJJ decides to throw suspicion on him. This is one of his last posts before his lynch:
MovingPictures07 wrote:I know I haven't been great at participating in a while or at addressing my accusers. I have like a half an hour max now, then unfortunately I need to leave to teach and won't be home until after the deadline, so I'll try to do what I can.
With respect to my lynch vote, I don't want to lynch JJJ. I don't really have any reason to believe that he's bad, and Llama and Mac pushing the easy button on it over and over again with practically no attempt to convince anyone else doesn't do anything for me.
JJJ is always at the top of his reads lists, except at the beginning, when he "understood JJJ's busyness" and put practically everyone in yellow. He never suspects him, ever, for anything. Not even a light suspicion. No NO-U in sight. He suspects everyone at some point, even to a small extent (myself included, when he was trying to decide whether to vote me or Nero in the crazy lynch), but never JJJ. The WIFOM is, of course, huge here: why would someone so enthusiastically endorse a teammate throughout the entire game? Flawlessly, enthusiastically agree with everything JJJ says? One might think MP didn't think he would be lynched so early, due to suspicion against another one of his teammates, and could get away with it. But I also think MP would pull that sort of gambit, as I've said before. Both he and JJJ, just to say they did it in the end. It's too perfect. It's too buddy-buddy to ignore as "buddying."
I've had time to think about this, and I can see why Mac and llama, who basically had no time, had so much trouble proving JJJ's baddiness. He's done a hell of a job covering his tracks. But if you consider nothing above, brush it off as crazy-Blooper theories, consider two things: why would two civs so enthusiastically, without abandon, without regard to how they looked in the thread, go after JJJ in such a manner? They knew something, and tried to get our attention the best way they could with their posts and multiple votes from nowhere (and it did get our attention, but in the opposite manner). Two, consider JJJ's plan today to go after an element instead of a baddie. I've been over this - what civilian reason would one have for doing this? The tiniest, tiniest chance, which requires trust in the mafia to go after an element instead of a civ? Not this late in the game. No way, Jose. You're just trying to buy time.
I'm voting JJJ. I've done what I can, methinks, and now it's up to y'all to do the right thing. But I suggest, in the wise words of our fallen comrade, Macdougall:
MacDougall wrote:KILL ALL JIMMYS KILL ALL JIMMYS