The Syndicate

Epignosis wrote:I think my friend nijuukyugou has gone overlooked. Time to change that.

Ten posts, and five are banter. So that's five posts to consider:

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nijuukyugou wrote:Okay. Feeling much better this morning, but with much limited time (as in less time), seeing as I'm at work and should be grading a stack of papers :P

MovingPictures07 wrote:Who wants a rainbow? I'll work on one now.

You didn't even wait.

Quick and dirty thoughts before I really, really need to get work done:

1) A beautifully quiet day 1, with pretty easy-to-catch-up pages to read.
2) A floofy, fluffy day 1 that makes it hard to get reads, but that's like saying there's smoke all over Asheville - I can mention it all I want, but I still get to deal with what I've got *coughity cough*
3) Nacho reminds me of Sloonei - lots of talk, not afraid to go after people, jumping right in, lots of talk, lots of talk. Oh yeah, kinda like MP :P
4) I don't want to vote for people contributing to the suspicion talk of the game so far today, because I complain (even if only to myself) that people get voted on Days 1 for voicing weird opinions more often than someone lurking and being cautious and not posting much (if anything) of substance. Does that make sense? Anyway, I'm starting the trend with my Days 1 votes, even if I'm the only one following the trend.
5) Who falls into that second category for me today that I notice (or rather, had to look back because I didn't notice many posts)? zebra, Eloh, motel room, Epi, Wilgy, and Vomps. Runner up includes DFaraday, because he did post about mechanics in his second post.
6) I rather liked Soneji's point about, whether or not Wilgy is fucking with us with the not checking his role (I assume the former), it does imply creating chaos which, while fun, is not particularly civ behavior. So now, so I can get back to work like a good employee, I'm voting Wilgy.

Golden wrote:Hey Mac - thoughts on the ninja?

Beautiful tentacles, that one Did you vote me because you wanted to see substance from me, or because the tentacles creep you out?

1. Is happy for a quiet Day 1.
2. Admits it makes it hard to formulate opinions on people.
3. Names two people who are big talkers (despite calling Day 1 quiet)- Nacho and MP.
4. Laments innocent people getting lynched Day 1 for having a contrarian perspective while quiet people coast.
5. Names six coasters (casting a wide net).
6. Likes what Soneji had to say about Wilgy, and voted Wilgy.

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nijuukyugou wrote:Woo, caught up! That was quite an emotional thread period

Probably gonna rehash a lot of what was said, but that's the bane of my gameplay in catch-up/mega posts. I deals with it. This is gonna be a stream-of-consciousness one, because.

Frustrated MP could be either MP. I'm inclined to see it as bad because I was on a team with him when he faked it and I hate being bamboozled, but I know he is an emotional player of any alignment. And he has been lynched early lately because of it (at least what I have noticed) being in any alignment, which is hella frustrating, I know. Today, I will be looking elsewhere. Why? It's Day 2 and I'm still in Day 1 mode of this sort of thought process:

Epignosis wrote:Time to cull the less actives.

Because lately, I also feel like less actives have been ignored, and I want to change that still. I have been less active lately and have been rewarded for it, yet when I am more active, I have been killed. Boo to that. Encourages non-participation and riding on one's laurels *steps off soapbox*

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Quin wrote:I want to lynch Epignosis.

Voted for Black Rock.

Your turn.

I'll bite - any other reason you voted her besides inactivity? Or are you cherry-picking and waiting for reactions? I like it.

Zebra can talk! Now what does she have to say? Right now, the long-lasting smiley thing doesn't make her look good to me. Gets her out of discussion while also giving off a vibe of, "Hey, I can't possibly be bad if I do something craaaaaaazy!" Looks contrived. Want to see more content.

What happened to Wilgy? Might vote him again. But minds can be changed.

Was Nacho silenced? Hmm.

Long Con wrote:On the other hand, rainbow lists can paint a target on the heads of those who are deemed most Civ.

This is why I hate rainbow lists. On the other hand, I do use them to determine someone's alignment based on how they rate me. Self-centered, perhaps, but it's been working decently well. Mostly hate for rainbows, though.

I think that's all I have for now. Happy to address whatever, or discuss whatever. I feel like a normal human again, both in workload and health

MovingPictures07 wrote:RIP Golden.

Seriously, who the hell would kill Golden in his comeback game? Heartless bastards, that's who.

I haven't caught up, and still won't until I've finished all my preparations for Parks and Recreation Mafia hosting. Sorry. I should be around at some point today though and I'll be ISOing you folks. So be prepared.

So a page full of MP posts. So, normal mafia.

1. Thinks MP is bad but would prefer to look elsewhere. What's the purpose there? If you think someone is bad, you press that person until he confesses, What you don't do is say, "MP is likely going to murder me in my sleep. I better let him go about his business."
2. Again laments about active people getting taken out instead of inactive people.
3. This: "I'll bite - any other reason you voted her besides inactivity? Or are you cherry-picking and waiting for reactions? I like it." How am I supposed to answer that? If I am doing something to get reactions, it is completely counterproductive to say, "Yes, I am just trying to get reactions."
4. Calls zebra's smiley business contrived.
5. Might vote Wilgy again. Couple 4 and 5 and what you have are two non-Black Rock avenues for nijuukyugou to vote. She ultimately chooses Door #4.
6. Asks if Nacho was silenced.
7. Hates rainbow lists.
8. Comments on MP's verbosity.

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nijuukyugou wrote:

MovingPictures07 wrote:

nijuukyugou wrote:

Long Con wrote:On the other hand, rainbow lists can paint a target on the heads of those who are deemed most Civ.

This is why I hate rainbow lists. On the other hand, I do use them to determine someone's alignment based on how they rate me. Self-centered, perhaps, but it's been working decently well. Mostly hate for rainbows, though.

I think that's all I have for now. Happy to address whatever, or discuss whatever. I feel like a normal human again, both in workload and health

MovingPictures07 wrote:RIP Golden.

Seriously, who the hell would kill Golden in his comeback game? Heartless bastards, that's who.

I haven't caught up, and still won't until I've finished all my preparations for Parks and Recreation Mafia hosting. Sorry. I should be around at some point today though and I'll be ISOing you folks. So be prepared.

So a page full of MP posts. So, normal mafia.

Blooper, can you elaborate on this bolded/underlined bit?

There is a pattern I've noticed about how I am rated by certain players on rainbow lists. I shall elaborate no further for fear of giving away my super secret awesome baddie senses

1. Refrains from further comment about rainbow lists.

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nijuukyugou wrote:

MovingPictures07 wrote:This game is like a patient in the ICU. Where is everyone? Where is the baddie hunting?

Seriously folks, why should I even try if the rest of you aren't going to do shit? Honest question because I'm feeling a bit frustrated with this entire day cycle's wasted potential right now.

It's the middle of the day for many of us, dude. You know this. I'm only on because it happens to be a day where my planning is in the afternoon. And it'll be a holiday soon. And it's Day 2. Cool your jets :P

As for your sig review, what pings me more than anything about what he's been saying is his being so resolute that an entire mafia team couldn't have missed its kill last Night. This sort of thing has been happening in several games lately on this site. It would be one thing to offer his counter arguments, but to so staunchly oppose it as a non-possibility? Nah. Looks defensive. Pings real bad.

I still want to knock off inactives/slight inactives. There is no reason except inactivity to vote BR, so that's cool with me. I want to know where Wilgy went. You say zebra has played a detached and gut-read game in the past, but what she's doing right now is just detached without even gut reads. It's just...randomness. Chaotic. It's the same reason I voted Wilgy Day 1 - zebra's behavior is not civ, whatever she's doing.

So I'm good with voting any of those (includes sig, but less so than the inactives), and I need to get back to work. I'm going to mull over it a bit (maybe ten minutes or so) before I make the final call.

1. Reminds Mr. Talkative that it's the middle of the workday.
2. Agrees with MP's negative opinion about sig. Killing MP might accomplish two tasks: Shut MP up and frame sig.
3. I need to highlight this:

I still want to knock off inactives/slight inactives. There is no reason except inactivity to vote BR, so that's cool with me. I want to know where Wilgy went. You say zebra has played a detached and gut-read game in the past, but what she's doing right now is just detached without even gut reads. It's just...randomness. Chaotic. It's the same reason I voted Wilgy Day 1 - zebra's behavior is not civ, whatever she's doing.

So I'm good with voting any of those (includes sig, but less so than the inactives), and I need to get back to work. I'm going to mull over it a bit (maybe ten minutes or so) before I make the final call.

Again, this leaves open a number of avenues for nijuukyugou to vote in case the Black Rock vote picked up steam. Notice again the claimed desire to knock off inactives and slight inactives, but the hesitance regarding a vote for Black Rock.

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nijuukyugou wrote:

MovingPictures07 wrote:

nijuukyugou wrote:

MovingPictures07 wrote:This game is like a patient in the ICU. Where is everyone? Where is the baddie hunting?

Seriously folks, why should I even try if the rest of you aren't going to do shit? Honest question because I'm feeling a bit frustrated with this entire day cycle's wasted potential right now.

It's the middle of the day for many of us, dude. You know this. I'm only on because it happens to be a day where my planning is in the afternoon. And it'll be a holiday soon. And it's Day 2. Cool your jets :P

As for your sig review, what pings me more than anything about what he's been saying is his being so resolute that an entire mafia team couldn't have missed its kill last Night. This sort of thing has been happening in several games lately on this site. It would be one thing to offer his counter arguments, but to so staunchly oppose it as a non-possibility? Nah. Looks defensive. Pings real bad.

I still want to knock off inactives/slight inactives. There is no reason except inactivity to vote BR, so that's cool with me. I want to know where Wilgy went. You say zebra has played a detached and gut-read game in the past, but what she's doing right now is just detached without even gut reads. It's just...randomness. Chaotic. It's the same reason I voted Wilgy Day 1 - zebra's behavior is not civ, whatever she's doing.

So I'm good with voting any of those (includes sig, but less so than the inactives), and I need to get back to work. I'm going to mull over it a bit (maybe ten minutes or so) before I make the final call.

Look, I know right now is the middle of the day, I'm referring to all of Day 2. There has been next to no discussion of anyone other than inactives for the past nearly 48 hours, and that's what bothered me, not just the lack of current content. Anyway, I was just venting. Feel free to ignore that nonsense.

Help me out here; you lost me a bit with your thoughts on sig. Why is it that his staunch opposition pings you? Like, walk me through the mindset of why a mafia sig would do that, that's where I'm lost.

She provided gut reads in saying BR and Epi are town and Snow Dog is bad, for example, but yes, they're completely unsubstantiated. The only problem with just lynching everyone who behaves in such a way (your bolded/underlined sentiment) is that just because someone is behaving chaotically does not mean their role card is mafia. It is up to us to make a determination based on the available content. I don't think lynching inactives blindly right now will serve us anything particularly productive; if we happen to hit a member of the mafia, great, but it's essentially flipping a coin.

True about a chaotic player not necessarily pulling a mafia role, but their behavior doesn't help civs. A lynch vote for zebra would not be a blind vote for an inactive - it would be voting for someone who I think is exhibiting non-civ (and I'll just outright say it - mafia-or-indy-chaotic) behavior.

What I'm saying about sig's opposition to the idea is that it sounds defensive of inactive mafia behavior, i.e., steering people away from discussing inactivity as more than a possibility for an entire mafia team because he doesn't want us to look at them. As in, perhaps he is part of an inactive mafia team, and is defending it because oh shit, they all missed their kill chance last night, better cover it up. That's what it looks like when the behavior of late on the site points to the opposite of his stance.

And I think the discussion of inactives needs to happen - personally, I'm tired of seeing it ignored and seeing active players lynched so early and then having a dead game, so I'm happy we're going on that vein this game. Hell, it's encouraging ME to post! (Well, that and I also have more time recently to play than I have in the past couple of games.) Lynch inactives, encourage participation through group force :P

With that, I'll vote zebra today, even if it's for pressure. Gotta finish grading these quizzes, dammit.

1. MP voiced concern about "blindly" voting for inactives, and nijuu counters by saying that a vote for zebra is not a blind vote for an inactive, but a vote for someone exhibiting non-civilian behavior. So I want to circle back to the first on-topic post: nijuukyugou lamented inactives coasting but people who do things outside of the box being fair game. Isn't that what zebra was doing? I would think my friend nijuu would have been more eager to lynch someone with two posts than someone who was just being goofy.
2. Says sig looks like part of an inactive mafia team, which concedes the point that one of the mafia teams is inactive...yet she still votes for zebra, who was at least present.
3. Raises the banner of lynching inactives...
4. Votes zebra, who was zany, not inactive. And zebra had more on-topic things to say than Black Rock.