Monkey Island [ENDGAME]

#1401

I have patience.

#1402

I assume that the delay is due to Niju being super mega scum and needing a lot of preparation for the crazy outcomes.

#1403

DrWilgy wrote:If Niju flips bad, let's lynch Snow Dog.

Yes, let's.

#1404

Snow Dog wrote:
DrWilgy wrote:If Niju flips bad, let's lynch Snow Dog.
Yes, let's.

Policy self-lynch out of fatigue or admission of guilt?

#1405

#1406

Snow Dog wrote:

Pretty much *twiddles thumbs*

#1407

Could someone talk to me about why zebra is picking up votes?
Starting to reread the last 10 pages so I have a general sense of the game, then will start on ISOs.

#1408

motel room wrote:Speaking of
Soneji wrote:Zebra has had a very narrow focus this game, without giving anything to backup these reads and trolling/harassing people. His aim seems to be to distract, which as LC noted he wasn't doing d1 when the two main suspects were MP and motel room, both town.
How do you know MP was town?

I see the point being made here, don't really buy into it as a slip.
Where is your fire? I was expecting your reentry to break down doors and burn down houses, but from what I've read so far, it certainly hasn't been that.

#1409

motel room wrote:fwiw, there is a reasonable reason I'd accept there but soneji was in the thread for a little while after I posted that and has now gone. For posterity.

Vompatti wrote:I voted for Soneji for making false claims and for voting for a confirmed civilian.
Pretty quick to pull that trigger. Also, what?

Liked this post though.

#1410

a2thezebra wrote:
Scotty wrote:
a2thezebra wrote:
DrWilgy wrote:Y'know what...

I still think mp was bad.
I do too.
To both of you: why.

And how does that help you sort things out right now?
MP gave me a soft baddie read. If he was civ, he would have given me a hard baddie read at the time. He was disingenuous and bad.

I've generally found that people who believe that there is only one possible thing that can happen in any given situation are not right often.

#1411

Y'all think this delay is bad, you should have been in Jessica Jones mafia. Pretty sure I had everyone waiting a good 48 hours after the deadline once.

#1412

Nachomamma8 wrote:
a2thezebra wrote:
Scotty wrote:
a2thezebra wrote:
DrWilgy wrote:Y'know what...

I still think mp was bad.
I do too.
To both of you: why.

And how does that help you sort things out right now?
MP gave me a soft baddie read. If he was civ, he would have given me a hard baddie read at the time. He was disingenuous and bad.
I've generally found that people who believe that there is only one possible thing that can happen in any given situation are not right often.

Anything is possible, but I focus my convictions on what's plausible.

#1413

Scotty wrote:Ok folks's, I've got a lot to do in prep for thanksgiving (happy turkey day, US of A!) including prepping my first tofurkey (wtf). I'm sated for now with soneji's response to the "MP is civ" thing. I think I'd rather vote Boom today, so I'll go ahead and do that. Godspeed, brave adventurers!

boom

Why did you decide to vote for Boomslang here? I don't remember him being one of the targets that you liked to talk about the most, and I'd expect me pushing his lynch to dampen your enthusiasm a bit.

#1414

sig wrote:Is there a case on Boomslang? I'm reading through haven't seen one yet. I don't like either Zerba's or Boom's wagon right now.

Also Quin voted for me and then left a good vote, which avoids all attention and allows him to not get involved in either wagon.

I think Quin is mafia, I could see myself voting there today.

I could still vote for sig.

#1415

This is good catch-up content. Nacho is civ again.

#1416

Niju's post poll ending post fills me with confidence.

#1417

Scotty wrote:
MacDougall wrote:I would like to point out that I am not also Snow Dog.
i feel like zebras are far less quarrelsome in the savannah. Zebras wrestling with dogs and...whatever the hell Mac's avatar is...unheard of!

Also, GTH who would you vote for right now?

mac, what is your avatar?

I want to vote MM. Anyone want to join me?

I don't really understand your case on MM; him voting Black Rock for not doing anything while saying that he wasn't doing anything was the crux of your case against him, correct? Don't you think there was a considerable difference between MM's play and Black Rock's?

#1418

DrWilgy wrote:Niju's post poll ending post fills me with confidence.

yeah I don't think *twiddles thumbs* comes from town who has just been lynched.

#1419

Soneji wrote:Seems they have gone more the route of letting the activity slow down to a crawl rather than try to take the lead now that most of the top level/most active players are dead. The players I was watching this phase were Long Con and Nacho. As I pointed out in my ISO of Long Con, he backed off of Wilgy due to Nacho's insistence that Wilgy's role PM antics weren't scum indicative. This was odd to me considering LC going after MP for supposed buddying but then allowing someone he has no reason to trust to sway his view on another player, rather than suspecting them of buddying/defending a scummate. That Nacho has fallen off the face of the earth in activity after d1 is a big red flag.

My vote will be on LC or Nacho today.

Why is me falling off in activity suspicious? Do you generally find it pretty common that people who have the ability to post a lot as mafia post a lot Day 1 and then are completely unable to post later in the game? Why would I struggle posting when I could scumhunt legitimately?

#1420

Soneji wrote:Seems they have gone more the route of letting the activity slow down to a crawl rather than try to take the lead now that most of the top level/most active players are dead. The players I was watching this phase were Long Con and Nacho. As I pointed out in my ISO of Long Con, he backed off of Wilgy due to Nacho's insistence that Wilgy's role PM antics weren't scum indicative. This was odd to me considering LC going after MP for supposed buddying but then allowing someone he has no reason to trust to sway his view on another player, rather than suspecting them of buddying/defending a scummate. That Nacho has fallen off the face of the earth in activity after d1 is a big red flag.

My vote will be on LC or Nacho today.

And THESE are your top two suspects?
Why is Long Con backing off Wilgy for the "not reading his role PM" thing scum indicative; the explanation he gave seemed to be a very "common sense" one and I'm not sure how you missed that possibility.

#1421

Like the argument you gave there was "Long Con thought that buddying was scummy, and so changing his mind on a line of logic presented is scummy". This is a nonsense line of argument unless I'm misunderstanding it pretty horribly.

#1422

a2thezebra wrote:I fully support the lynch of anyone that isn't DrWilgy, Metalmarsh89, motel room 2.0, sig, Vompatti, and myself.

sig being on the "DO NOT LYNCH" list despite you scumreading him is a sad sad thing

#1423

I'm glad you are back again Nachomamma, nice to see your input.

#1424

Nachomamma8 wrote:
DrWilgy wrote:Niju's post poll ending post fills me with confidence.
yeah I don't think *twiddles thumbs* comes from town who has just been lynched.

You judge harshly. I twiddle my thumbs in Monday-after-Thanksgiving deadness. Shall I scream in pain and agony instead for your amusement?

#1425

nijuukyugou wrote:
Nachomamma8 wrote:
DrWilgy wrote:Niju's post poll ending post fills me with confidence.
yeah I don't think *twiddles thumbs* comes from town who has just been lynched.
You judge harshly. I twiddle my thumbs in Monday-after-Thanksgiving deadness. Shall I scream in pain and agony instead for your amusement?

I'm putting my money on you being civ.

#1426

Nachomamma8 wrote:
a2thezebra wrote:I fully support the lynch of anyone that isn't DrWilgy, Metalmarsh89, motel room 2.0, sig, Vompatti, and myself.
sig being on the "DO NOT LYNCH" list despite you scumreading him is a sad sad thing

I made it clear that I have had and continue to have a town read of sig. You can say my reasoning is weak but I have not once read him as scum.

#1427

nijuukyugou wrote:
Nachomamma8 wrote:
DrWilgy wrote:Niju's post poll ending post fills me with confidence.
yeah I don't think *twiddles thumbs* comes from town who has just been lynched.
You judge harshly. I twiddle my thumbs in Monday-after-Thanksgiving deadness. Shall I scream in pain and agony instead for your amusement?

You could, for it would amuse me.
Or, you could give me a recap of your last significant suspects before you die so that we have something to pursue in order to avenge you if you flip town. What do you think of sig and Sonejii?

#1428

a2thezebra wrote:
Nachomamma8 wrote:
a2thezebra wrote:I fully support the lynch of anyone that isn't DrWilgy, Metalmarsh89, motel room 2.0, sig, Vompatti, and myself.
sig being on the "DO NOT LYNCH" list despite you scumreading him is a sad sad thing
I made it clear that I have had and continue to have a town read of sig. You can say my reasoning is weak but I have not once read him as scum.

I might be missing out on your reasoning; from my memory, it was that you were scumreading him but you're usually wrong on him and thus you think he is town.

#1429

I have four votes for no good reason that I saw. I said my defense. It did nothing. I'm rather annoyed that it happened this way, actually. However, I see no reason to react ridiculously, as it changes nothing.

#1430

And Soneji is here right this moment so maybe we can all chat together; am interesting in particular in hearing him flesh out his reasoning for scumreading me in full while I do a quick ISO on him.

#1431

nijuukyugou wrote:

I have four votes for no good reason that I saw. I said my defense. It did nothing. I'm rather annoyed that it happened this way, actually. However, I see no reason to react ridiculously, as it changes nothing.

I'm sorry. I don't know why you were lynched either, as I missed yet another day.
Who are your suspects? Who do you want us to kill in your name?

#1432

nijuukyugou wrote:

I have four votes for no good reason that I saw. I said my defense. It did nothing. I'm rather annoyed that it happened this way, actually. However, I see no reason to react ridiculously, as it changes nothing.

If I am right and you are civ, I fear that the mafia has a good grip on this game. I wanted to say something els and completely forgotten it.

#1433

Nachomamma8 wrote:
a2thezebra wrote:
Nachomamma8 wrote:
a2thezebra wrote:I fully support the lynch of anyone that isn't DrWilgy, Metalmarsh89, motel room 2.0, sig, Vompatti, and myself.
sig being on the "DO NOT LYNCH" list despite you scumreading him is a sad sad thing
I made it clear that I have had and continue to have a town read of sig. You can say my reasoning is weak but I have not once read him as scum.
I might be missing out on your reasoning; from my memory, it was that you were scumreading him but you're usually wrong on him and thus you think he is town.

Correct, so I'm not scumreading him. I'm going against my gut because the empirical evidence is overwhelmingly against it in sig's case.

#1434

Nachomamma8 wrote:
nijuukyugou wrote:

I have four votes for no good reason that I saw. I said my defense. It did nothing. I'm rather annoyed that it happened this way, actually. However, I see no reason to react ridiculously, as it changes nothing.
I'm sorry. I don't know why you were lynched either, as I missed yet another day.
Who are your suspects? Who do you want us to kill in your name?

It may have been Epignosis' ISO that started the ball rolling.

#1435

nijuukyugou wrote:

I have four votes for no good reason that I saw. I said my defense. It did nothing. I'm rather annoyed that it happened this way, actually. However, I see no reason to react ridiculously, as it changes nothing.

And the reason why I'm asking for guidance from you is because, if you are town, town's next top suspect seems to be Zebra which doesn't exactly fill me with confidence. This means that any words you have as a soon to be confirmed town could be the difference between getting town back on track versus eating ourselves alive.

#1436

Nachomamma8 wrote:
nijuukyugou wrote:
Nachomamma8 wrote:
DrWilgy wrote:Niju's post poll ending post fills me with confidence.
yeah I don't think *twiddles thumbs* comes from town who has just been lynched.
You judge harshly. I twiddle my thumbs in Monday-after-Thanksgiving deadness. Shall I scream in pain and agony instead for your amusement?
You could, for it would amuse me.
Or, you could give me a recap of your last significant suspects before you die so that we have something to pursue in order to avenge you if you flip town. What do you think of sig and Sonejii?

If nijuu is town, this is what she would be doing right now.

#1437

a2thezebra wrote:
Nachomamma8 wrote:
a2thezebra wrote:
Nachomamma8 wrote:
a2thezebra wrote:I fully support the lynch of anyone that isn't DrWilgy, Metalmarsh89, motel room 2.0, sig, Vompatti, and myself.
sig being on the "DO NOT LYNCH" list despite you scumreading him is a sad sad thing
I made it clear that I have had and continue to have a town read of sig. You can say my reasoning is weak but I have not once read him as scum.
I might be missing out on your reasoning; from my memory, it was that you were scumreading him but you're usually wrong on him and thus you think he is town.
Correct, so I'm not scumreading him. I'm going against my gut because the empirical evidence is overwhelmingly against it in sig's case.

And hence why I said that it made me sad that you were scumreading him and still townreading him.
Your correct that your conclusion is that sig is town, but that doesn't change the fact that your heart is in the right place; that's why I am sad.

#1438

Snow Dog wrote:
nijuukyugou wrote:

I have four votes for no good reason that I saw. I said my defense. It did nothing. I'm rather annoyed that it happened this way, actually. However, I see no reason to react ridiculously, as it changes nothing.
If I am right and you are civ, I fear that the mafia has a good grip on this game. I wanted to say something els and completely forgotten it.

I agree. Who are your other suspects? What are we going to do to absolutely ruin their position?

#1439

Nachomamma8 wrote:
a2thezebra wrote:
Nachomamma8 wrote:
a2thezebra wrote:
Nachomamma8 wrote:
a2thezebra wrote:I fully support the lynch of anyone that isn't DrWilgy, Metalmarsh89, motel room 2.0, sig, Vompatti, and myself.
sig being on the "DO NOT LYNCH" list despite you scumreading him is a sad sad thing
I made it clear that I have had and continue to have a town read of sig. You can say my reasoning is weak but I have not once read him as scum.
I might be missing out on your reasoning; from my memory, it was that you were scumreading him but you're usually wrong on him and thus you think he is town.
Correct, so I'm not scumreading him. I'm going against my gut because the empirical evidence is overwhelmingly against it in sig's case.
And hence why I said that it made me sad that you were scumreading him and still townreading him.
Your correct that your conclusion is that sig is town, but that doesn't change the fact that your heart is in the right place; that's why I am sad.

No, it's not. Because both my heart's reasons and your head's reasons for reading sig as bad are adjacent to his civ behavior.

#1440

And as a point against the ever-lurking Soneji, I find that he's putting down a vote that obviously isn't going anywhere today (unless he honestly believes that "Nacho is lurking now and wasn't always lurking!" is gonna fly, which I doubt) is a move coming from mafia that's confident in their overall position; Scotty's EoD bothers me for a similar reason, but he at least seems earnest in his scumhunting (although the "oops I should look for Cannibals" bothers the shit out of me).

#1441

Nachomamma8 wrote:
Snow Dog wrote:
nijuukyugou wrote:

I have four votes for no good reason that I saw. I said my defense. It did nothing. I'm rather annoyed that it happened this way, actually. However, I see no reason to react ridiculously, as it changes nothing.
If I am right and you are civ, I fear that the mafia has a good grip on this game. I wanted to say something els and completely forgotten it.
I agree. Who are your other suspects? What are we going to do to absolutely ruin their position?

I don't know. Lynches are strange. From nowhere it seems a lynch train appears and previous suspects are forgotten. Maybe we need to go back to the beginning. It is possible that one civ (threepwood) already knows for certain who some civs are. Unless of course Threepwood is a low poster.

#1442

a2thezebra wrote:
Nachomamma8 wrote:
a2thezebra wrote:
Nachomamma8 wrote:
a2thezebra wrote:
Nachomamma8 wrote:
a2thezebra wrote:I fully support the lynch of anyone that isn't DrWilgy, Metalmarsh89, motel room 2.0, sig, Vompatti, and myself.
sig being on the "DO NOT LYNCH" list despite you scumreading him is a sad sad thing
I made it clear that I have had and continue to have a town read of sig. You can say my reasoning is weak but I have not once read him as scum.
I might be missing out on your reasoning; from my memory, it was that you were scumreading him but you're usually wrong on him and thus you think he is town.
Correct, so I'm not scumreading him. I'm going against my gut because the empirical evidence is overwhelmingly against it in sig's case.
And hence why I said that it made me sad that you were scumreading him and still townreading him.
Your correct that your conclusion is that sig is town, but that doesn't change the fact that your heart is in the right place; that's why I am sad.
No, it's not. Because both my heart's reasons and your head's reasons for reading sig as bad are adjacent to his civ behavior.

I'm confused; what are you saying "no it's not" in reference to?
I have no commentary on who is right or who is wrong on sig; just noting that we are probably seeing the same stuff in sig and either A) you are right and have more experience with him to make a more educated decision, or B) you are wrong and am distrusting your gut right when your gut was correct for once. Both situations are sad to me.

#1443

Nachomamma8 wrote:And as a point against the ever-lurking Soneji, I find that he's putting down a vote that obviously isn't going anywhere today (unless he honestly believes that "Nacho is lurking now and wasn't always lurking!" is gonna fly, which I doubt) is a move coming from mafia that's confident in their overall position; Scotty's EoD bothers me for a similar reason, but he at least seems earnest in his scumhunting (although the "oops I should look for Cannibals" bothers the shit out of me).

Yes, I've been giving Scotty a pass because he seems helpful and has a very civ demeanour. I have been caught out that way before though.

#1444

Isn't gut just an easy way for mafia to vote someone?

#1445

Night 4

Thievery, eh? Very well. In the game, there is a hilarious sequence during which Guybrush attempts to rob the Governor's Mansion. This whole sequence plays out without interaction from the player, although it looks otherwise. Over the course of this madcap farce, you acquire a staple remover which, although aslleged to be useful, is never employed in the rest of the game. What a missed opportunity? Please PM me the most creative use for a staple remover you can think of, for a prize.

Ninja Blooper has ben lynched. She was the Grey Cannibal.
You have 24 hours to submit your night actions.

#1446

Day 4

Who is doing all this killing?

Poll ended at Sun Nov 27, 2016 8:19:17 pm

a2thezebra
3
Long Con (8), nijuukyugou (11), Snow Dog (13) 19%
Dr. Wilgy
0
No votes
Long Con
0
No votes
MacDougall
0
No votes
Metalmarsh89
0
No votes
motel room 2.0
0
No votes
Nachomamma8
1
Soneji (9) 6%
Nijuukyugou
4
Metalmarsh89 (3), Vompatti (12), DrWilgy (15), sig (16) 25%
Scotty
0
No votes
Sig
0
No votes
Snow Dog
1
a2thezebra (4) 6%
Soneji
0
No votes
Vompatti
0
No votes
A playful gibbon (Host/Mod/Dead/NP)
7
thellama73 (1), Glorfindel (2), juliets (5), Epignosis (6), MovingPictures07 (7), Golden (10), JaggedJimmyJay (14) 44%
Total votes : 16

#1447

#1448

Snow Dog wrote:Isn't gut just an easy way for mafia to vote someone?

Depends. If the person is known to generally make well-reasoned votes, they can't really get away with using "gut" as a reason often. If they are not, then yes, but that also means that said player is also likely to make gut votes as town. In this game, the people I'm expecting to rely on "gut" often are probably: Wilgy, Vompatti, Zebra, MM; Golden and MP, when talking about them, use words like "random" or "WIFOM-laden" and other people agree, which means that they aren't as likely to scumhunt in the way that you're expecting them to.

#1449

Nachomamma8 wrote:
Snow Dog wrote:Isn't gut just an easy way for mafia to vote someone?
Depends. If the person is known to generally make well-reasoned votes, they can't really get away with using "gut" as a reason often. If they are not, then yes, but that also means that said player is also likely to make gut votes as town. In this game, the people I'm expecting to rely on "gut" often are probably: Wilgy, Vompatti, Zebra, MM; Golden and MP, when talking about them, use words like "random" or "WIFOM-laden" and other people agree, which means that they aren't as likely to scumhunt in the way that you're expecting them to.

I like you. Your views are nuanced and you're willing and able to dismantle generalizations.

#1450

You like him because he is town reading you.

Wow we're really down to the wire now!