The Syndicate

I actually ended up protecting Sorsha twice, with (clearly) no favorable result, because I was sure, with those votes, that she was civ and the baddies would go after her. After the second protect did nothing and Epi pointed out that she still hadn't been NK'ed, a lightbulb went off and I was down with voting that way. Well played, Sorsha, you devil

Long Con wrote:I can't believe that you were responsible for the Boomslang survival, nijuu... you knew that Elohcin was mistaken about her roleblock on Quin being the reason, and you still went after him:

nijuukyugou wrote:Quin: First to break the tie. Not a good look (again, considering what we know). Seeing a lot of back and forth between him and JJJ in the most recent pages that I'd like to look more closely at. OH and that weird comment after Eloh posted? The one about claiming she's the blocker with her comment? Weird comment, no matter how you slice it: if bad, sounds defensive and frustrated after missing a kill. If good, why point out someone you think is the blocker?! Might as well paint a target for baddies.

nijuukyugou wrote:I'm brain-dead exhausted and have done about all the reading I can handle for the day. I'm down with a Quin vote. Not ignoring the weirdness as stated and as transpired in the thread.

You scum.

To be fair, I didn't know Eloh was the Jean Jacket, and forgot there was another blocking/protecting role along with mine. I went after Quin because I honestly didn't see a civ reason for pointing out a suspicion of someone having a specific, important civ role - it IS like painting a target! I also didn't want it happening to me, should another protect be obvious in that manner Sorry, Quin!

I was dying to say something when that protect actually worked, but I only ended up sending Mongoose a message, because

Boomslang wrote:Who has two thumbs and cast four out of four mafia votes? This guy. Good game, civs!

I do want to say that I saved Quin—completely by accident. I used my Skinny Jeans power the night before the lynch on him, but I read the power as taking one away from the value of HIS vote, not of the tally FOR him in the poll. So I voted for him, thinking I'd lynch him, when in fact I canceled out my own vote and forced a tie. I guess it worked out to buy us another day?

Grumble grumble would've had four outta four if I weren't NK'ed grumble grumble

Three outta four ain't bad

Quin wrote:

nijuukyugou wrote:How'd you like that NIght 1 protect? *brushes dirt off shoulder*

...And, y'know, missing the mark on every single other one

You absolutely ruined me

Also, there was a period in the beginning where I seriously wondered whether I was a secret baddie who didn't actually know it at the time.

On night 1, I was role blocked and nobody was killed, and the next two nights my silence targets were killed.

I was messaging Mongoose like ?!?????????????????????????????????help????????????

And the paranoia sets in...Excellent.

How'd you like that NIght 1 protect? *brushes dirt off shoulder*

...And, y'know, missing the mark on every single other one

Metalmarsh89 wrote:

nijuukyugou wrote:
I hate everything Except Mongoose

Marmots are cool too k

yassss

I hate everything Except Mongoose

Epignosis wrote:

Boomslang wrote:

Epignosis wrote:I can't believe you guys fell for that.

WHAT

This post served a purpose. Knowing Sorsha was about to get lynched, did Boomslang- the final Mafia- fabricate this reaction to my joke? I'd like to think he didn't, however:

Sorsha wrote:

Boomslang wrote:My gut is telling me bad things about Sorsha. Spelling errors, shrug emoji, impatience... it doesn't read the same sort of impatience as Quin and INH, which makes me feel like it's feigned. Screw it, voting Sorsha.

Spelling errors make me bad? How about autocorrect and in not bothering to fix it because I'm on a phone at work and not supposed to be? What a lame suspicion boomslang.

I'm a little leery here though. That's laying it on thick and heavy. It reeks of bad acting.

I can vouch that he was yelling angrily from the other room about your joke. Jerk

I like Epi's points about Sorsha, and I'd like to respond a bit.

Sorsha wrote:

Epignosis wrote:

Scotty wrote:

Epignosis wrote:My concern with lynching Made is that he voted 3J Day 2. If he wanted to protect Wilgy, he had the avenue of precedent to vote 3J Day 3. He did not do this.

Epi who do you think is bad?

My vote is probably going to one of you, INH, LC, or Sorsha.

Yes, I realize Sorsha looks like an odd pick, but here's what I see:

Sorsha wrote:

insertnamehere wrote: Back in game-land, I do find it odd that people aren't agreeing with my case, but failing to raise any real points against it, or suggesting a practical alternative.

It's a well thought out case but what it comes down to for me is: If llama is bad why would he go after me like that? He would know I'm civ and what good would going balls to the wall and lynching a civ like that on day one do?

I am confident I can imagine an evil llama going after a civilian lynch victim Day 1 and getting away with it.

The underlined is a little confusing: Why would evil llama knowing someone is a civilian change the fact that he wants to lynch civilians?

Maybe he could get away with it, but it doesn't seem like the start a baddie would want to have in the game. It seems like civs get lynched most of the time on the first day anyhow, he didn't really need to try this to make sure of it.

Epignosis wrote: This is all she said about DDL:

Sorsha wrote:I have the worst feels for the following people:

MM- he's been present and posting but not saying much game relevant. I know that's typical Marmot, especially day one but I think there has been comment worthy material here that I'd expect him to weigh in on.

Scotty- I don't like how he so easily jumped on llamas case on me. It was still day zero and he was already prepping to jump on a Sorsha lynch-train. Very unlike Scotty who is normally a low/no poster voter, especially day one.

DDL- maybe he's just busy but he was a big poster early in ASOUE as a civ and hasn't been yet here. He's been here but like Epi pointed out, hasn't said much.

A Person, blooper, Eloh- no content but have posted

Sorsha wrote:Voting DDL to break the tie again! So much fun

It was day one and I was also made to defend myself after my first post in this game.

Let me ask everyone this: You're bad with DDL. He's getting votes but isn't around for whatever reason. Even if he were to survive and make it to Day 2, would he still not be a top candidate for the lynch? In other words, his days would be numbered. If you are bad, do you try to keep him around or do you try to salvage some credibility from his death?

In terms of the successful lynches, Sorsha has a nearly perfect record, voting at precisely the right time. Nobody at all is suspecting her.

So why haven't the Mafia tried to kill her yet?

Addendum: And holy crap there she is.

I recognize the benefit of bussing a teammate for the credibility but, with what I was going through day one here, I would have just told my teammates to buss me for the credit. It would have been easy enough to do. wifom argument I know but really, llama and jjj were both after me day one. Its more like me to just go ahead and take the death and let my teammates take the credit.

Also, there are a few players with good voting records that have not been targeted. Why hasn't anyone tried killing niju? Her record is nearly as good as mine. Boomslang was targeted night one but since then- and his votes on both ddl and wilgy he has extremely high civ credit. Why haven't they taken another shot at him? You have also had a pretty high degree of trust in this game, why have you not been targeted?

a) I didn't get the feeling you were really in trouble Day 1. Or any day. Llama was after you for a nonsense reason, and I don't think anyone was really going to take that bait (at least from my POV). So I disagree with this sentiment that you would've been a better candidate to throw under the bus than DDL, who had said less and didn't leave much of a thread trail.

b) I'm as surprised as you are that I haven't been targeted. And "nearly" as good? Hey hey And I would argue that if a baddie's kill missed the first time, they might not waste their time on trying again, depending on how Boomslang was saved? That would be my explanation for that.

Anyway, I want to play Zelda and won't rehash Epi's points. I dig 'em. I'm voting Sorsha.

I'm going to read what I can in my exhausted state, both physically and brain-wise, and hopefully make a decent vote. Argh.

Sorry llama

Water park water park water park water park

insertnamehere wrote:

Epignosis wrote:

insertnamehere wrote:May as well make one.

*votes thellama73*

So...

You think the Day 1 lynch was between a pair of teammates, and Wilgy chose to try to save their protector instead of either their blocker or Overalls.

So is that what you believe happened Day 1?

Yes.

I am inclined to believe that a mafia protector role exists for a reason. There is a secret for the civilians, there is a secret role, and there are prizes going out. It only makes sense that there is a threat to the mafia in another form than lynches, unless the protection extends to lynches the following Day, which, given that Mongoose is giving those out like Halloween candy, makes sense to me.

Well, we know the super secret role was Elo being an indie, win-with-whoever type. There is the potential for the secret civ role to be a vigilante who has the ability to kill once or twice in the game. But still, Jnco seems like a fairly weak role, except to maybe protect other teammates from blocks or silences.

It makes sense that Wilgy would be willing to sacrifice DDL in order to protect Llama, especially if Llama is Overalls.

I'm a little worried that if he is, lynching him will only undo a single strap, and we'll have to do it again in order to be rid of him for good.

Wasn't this cleared up by our beautiful host ages ago? Yes. Yes is was:

Mongoose wrote:

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:

Scotty wrote:No. I find it odd that the mafia have the potential for two kills every night if all 4 are mafia. Don't you?

That wasn't my interpretation. I thought the mafia team's sole killer was the dude with the straps -- that roll kills every night as long as both straps are intact. My first guess is that this means this role must be destroyed twice (once for each strap).

Mongoose, if you're able to clarify anything about this that'd be swell. If not, okee dokee.

Overalls is one person and only needs to be killed once.

So double-lynching is not a concern. Have you forgotten, or are you trying to avoid getting a bad llama lynched?

Back to my own thoughts. Based on my last reads and weird feelings about llama, coupled with recent posts from LC's case about llama, I'm comfortable with a llama lynch. He agreed with my point ages ago that he should not necessarily be trusted based on the first day's results. Go back to my half-tinfoily post from last Day period, ignore the JJJ part (because oops), and see my thoughts.

Bam.

Button Your Fly Water Park, take me there right now!

I want to go to the waterpark

Take me take me take me take me now

NOW NOW NOW NOW NOW!!

Yeah, just gonna put my money where my mouth is and bite the bullet. Voting JJJ.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:

Elohcin wrote:Okay, so as Elo 1.0 I got an eerie feeling about jjj but didn't bring it up because I had too much to think about with quin. But this lynch doesn't look good on him. So, he is added to my list of possible baddies. So far I have jjj, quin, and epi that I will look at more throughout the night and day 4.

This is pretty yikes. How can I integrate myself into the anti-JJJ environment of the thread?

Pretty yikes, but also pretty sloppy if bad. But also yes, pretty yikes.

And why are we going after inactives at this point when we know there's an active baddie??

thellama73 wrote:To Made's point, when I've made frustrated "just lynch me already" appeals in the past, I've almost always ben civ. It's something I see a lot less from baddies.

Someone has to be first, so I will place my vote on INH now. We will see if he really protected himself or not.

But wait...didn't you avoid voting for JJJ because he claimed he had an immunity? Why are you less inclined to believe INH? You were gung-ho against JJJ in several posts up until:

thellama73 wrote: I have decided I don't want to lynch JJJ. While the objective evidence against him is very strong, my heart says he is good. He has remained so calm during all this, and I think a baddie with absentee teammates would be more on edge. His interaction analysis last phase was genuinely helpful. If he is bad, he is playing such a good game thta he deserves to live another phase.

Calling shenanigans on this. Everything about him looks bad, except your heart says he's good? JJJ doesn't play a panicked game. I've never seen the dude panic. And deserving to live another phase if he's bad?? What??

thellama73 wrote:

insertnamehere wrote: Care to be specific?

Okay. I've explained why I think one of your voting bloc is bad, and only one. I think the other baddie is one of the lower posters, likely Eloh 2.0 or Daisy. I think starting with one of your more active triumvirate will be more beneficial in terms of information for the civilians.

Quin has put up a spirited self-defense, and has weirded me out with calls to lynch him. I'm not usre a baddie would do this.

Long Con has been giving me generally good vibes all game and has been pretty helpful in terms of content.

You've been a wallflower since after Day 1. You characterize your playstyle as aggressive, but you seem depressed and apathetic. Even now, you seem resigned to your fate when only one vote has come in. Bitter, but not really resisting. You're not really making case son anyone. You only reluctantly came out of the woodwork to participate in the discussion when it became clear you were in danger. You make halfhearted claims about prizes. You seem unwilling to impart information to the civilian cause to be used after your death.

What reason do I have to think you're civ?

Wait, Quin has a "spirited self-defense"? I hardly call "lynch me, go ahead and do it!" a self-defense, let alone spirited. And you mentioned before that if you were in the position of the current baddies (possibly one active baddie with absentee teammates) that you would "also be apathetic and depressed" in the thread, but I don't believe that, and I don't think you really do, either (of most other people). That statement makes me think you're just digging for something against INH.

Your last vote makes you look good, but your recent posts stink to me.

I'm still not off of JJJ, either. That voting record stinks. And sure, most logic would say yes, there's no way he would claim to have an immunity and then allow his teammate to die, only to set himself to be lynched the next day. But this isn't most logic. This is JJJ, who should never be trusted. And now I'm seriously tinfoiling the both of you for now pushing this thread towards INH.

God dangit. I need a moment. And some feedback.

Night thoughts!

Quin's being beyond tinfoily weird, JJJ's voting and reasons for final votes smell bad, and I believe/agree that at least one of the remaining baddies is active due to action at night. Oh, and the sock is fun-loving nomsense.

Bloops out. Gonna finish Sherlock now!

Mmmmm, deli.

Boomslang wrote:Can people please stop tinfoiling me now?

SO MANY CAAAAAAAAAAATS

Also, yay! Panic works!

So, great. I'm in a weird place for voting, I see.

Wanted to vote Quin, but he's off the poll. Damn.

Want to vote JJJ, because his votes don't make sense. Talk talk talk about certain players (e.g., LC, then Eloh or Wilgy now) and then votes someone completely off the chat. Especially this Made one. Agreement with Scotty here:

Scotty wrote:Yeah I'm entrenched in sound check right now but I will offer two things:
-JJJ had offered a half-hearted desire to lynch Wilgy, then offers an equal-to-less hearted desire to lynch Made, and starts a train there. I think that is a better look for Made tbh. I already don't trust JJJ this game, and would propose that Wilgy may be his teammate.
-Wilgy case into the thread seemingly eager to participate, but i found his posts spend too long asking others what they thought of so-and-so instead of substantive reads. His top 3 were 2 people and "???", which is unnecessary. I think Wilgy is active enough to be submitting kills but very blends this game.

I'm comfortable with my vote there today and his subsequent lynch.

However, I'm also in agreement with many that if JJJ is telling the truth about this lynch immunity, good or bad, then it makes sense to wait a day. God dangit Also, I don't want to create a stupid tie, because that's a no-lynch, and I dunno what shenanigans will occur. Dammit. I am so okay with voting for him tomorrow.

I hate bandwagons and jumping on them last minute, but Wilgy seems like the best bet and use of my vote today. I don't have an inclination that's he's good, and his behavior has been weird and tinfoily (I don't have much time to elaborate and put quotes because dammit, I don't have time!). Like he's come in when the heat's built up on him (I know he says he's been busy, but yeah). Okay, this isn't making sense and I'm starting to panic because of time. Voting Wilgy. There.

I am behind an absurd number of pages and would like to eat and have an evening where my brain can rest (it's been that kind of day, whew!). So far, I see Eloh has died and replaced A Person, Quin is off the poll, and JJJ claims he has a lynch immunity. Huh.

Will return later after more readings for thoughts and a vote.

Ummm, what the hell is that result??

Argh.

Voting Kevin Kline's Klingon Kleptomaniac Kologne Emporium. Or whatever it's called.

thellama73 wrote:

nijuukyugou wrote:I'm brain-dead exhausted and have done about all the reading I can handle for the day. I'm down with a Quin vote. Not ignoring the weirdness as stated and as transpired in the thread.

Can I just say your avatar these days is amazing?

It is a grand hobby of mine to find the most menacing pictures of Blooper I can on the Interwebs

And as for what we're up to tonight: folding towels, about to eat buttermilk ice cream, and continuing a delightful D&D quest

I'm brain-dead exhausted and have done about all the reading I can handle for the day. I'm down with a Quin vote. Not ignoring the weirdness as stated and as transpired in the thread.

Metalmarsh89 wrote:

nijuukyugou wrote:

Metalmarsh89 wrote:

nijuukyugou wrote:1) Yep, Epi has definitely and immediately thrown a team member under the bus Day 1. I was there. So he's not entirely in the clear, but I do agree with someone (don't remember who) that the way he threw suspicion out at DDL was different from the way he attacked him in Guess Who. Didn't play the other game mentioned, so I have no comparison, but I'm inclined at the point to see Epi as good. Scary.

You were there, but you did not play the game so you don't have a good comparison?

What do you mean?

Oops, that's horrible wording! I meant that because I didn't play the other game mentioned that I don't have any comparison with Epi's behavior in this game. Does that make more sense?

Sort of. I still don't understand what you mean by "I was there", unless he did that to you at some point.

Ah, I meant I was there for Guess Who, but not the other game (there were two other instances mentioned besides this game).

thellama73 wrote:

nijuukyugou wrote:Also, llama's not necessarily cleared by any means by this last lynch, so there's also that.

I wanted to circle back to this point, because it's a good one. I'm certainly not cleared by the lynch at all. For that reason, I'm a bit puzzled as to why INH, whom I generally feel good about, decided to drop his case against me after the lynch. Can you clear that up, INH?

Good point. Why did he drop the case all of a sudden?

Metalmarsh89 wrote:

nijuukyugou wrote:1) Yep, Epi has definitely and immediately thrown a team member under the bus Day 1. I was there. So he's not entirely in the clear, but I do agree with someone (don't remember who) that the way he threw suspicion out at DDL was different from the way he attacked him in Guess Who. Didn't play the other game mentioned, so I have no comparison, but I'm inclined at the point to see Epi as good. Scary.

You were there, but you did not play the game so you don't have a good comparison?

What do you mean?

Oops, that's horrible wording! I meant that because I didn't play the other game mentioned that I don't have any comparison with Epi's behavior in this game. Does that make more sense?

I'm catching up in the thread, but I think I'll do some thought posting before being fully caught up so I can actually contribute without feeling like I'm just rehashing. So, expect possible rehashing of others' thoughts.

1) Yep, Epi has definitely and immediately thrown a team member under the bus Day 1. I was there. So he's not entirely in the clear, but I do agree with someone (don't remember who) that the way he threw suspicion out at DDL was different from the way he attacked him in Guess Who. Didn't play the other game mentioned, so I have no comparison, but I'm inclined at the point to see Epi as good. Scary.

2) I will be focusing attention on llama voters ATM. Initial thoughts on each as I read through and remember what was posted during the Day:

INH: Came out, guns a-blazin', against llama for reasons I remember agreeing with (and posted about in my bigger post). It was mostly the going after Sorsha part that I agreed with (as in, llama came out going after Sorsha with no real reasoning, and continued to push it with no real reasoning), as well as the part pointing out the way llama has with manipulating with words. In other words, INH had a case against llama and went with it, making him the least suspicious in my eyes. Also, llama's not necessarily cleared by any means by this last lynch, so there's also that.

Long Con: Added on to llama votes. Honestly, haven't looked at him particularly closely yet (still reading), but I do see he's getting suspicion, especially from JJJ at the bottom of his read list, so I'd like to look back more at him. But not a good look if, in fact, llama is good. Well, also not a good look regardless, since DDL flipped bad.

Quin: First to break the tie. Not a good look (again, considering what we know). Seeing a lot of back and forth between him and JJJ in the most recent pages that I'd like to look more closely at. OH and that weird comment after Eloh posted? The one about claiming she's the blocker with her comment? Weird comment, no matter how you slice it: if bad, sounds defensive and frustrated after missing a kill. If good, why point out someone you think is the blocker?! Might as well paint a target for baddies.

Wilgy: In and out of the thread. Appears to have voted for llama out of a desire to "save" the Marmot, but MM only had one vote on him at the time (to be fair, however, there was possible momentum in the thread that could have picked up towards him, enough for me to post my disagreement with it). Either way, dude broke the tie at the end against DDL, which is definitely not a good look, and hasn't come back with anything of substance since. Not a good look.

But now, as I write this, only focusing on llama voters, and thinking about how llama may or may not be good, I want to look at outliers too, dammit. Think I'll do that a bit later as I read more.

Blooper out for now.

Yayyyyy, excellent result!!

Not gonna forget to vote in this poll, now that I actually remember we're doing 24/24. Gonna go with Kevin Kline, etc. because what is that long name even

Okay, caught up, methinks. Things that catch my eye that I want respond to:

Epignosis wrote:

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:I'm going to think on what's been said so far. Given the 24/24 cycles, it's increasingly imperative that this game not be plagued by inactivity and I fear a continuously exploding thread will promote that.

I disagree. Speak when you need to- otherwise some people get behind and feel like they can't catch up. It's why I started putting a bunch of my content in a single post. Yes, it's a long post, but people who see that they have two pages to catch up on instead of three or four will be more inclined to do so rather than vote randomly or do whatever it is their defeated instincts lead them to do.

Yes yes and more yes. Seeing that I was already behind like six pages earlier today made me already unhappy with having to catch up. Work has been ridiculous this week with after-school meetings, so I've been pretty braindead by the end of the day. Please just friggin' post when necessary!

insertnamehere wrote:ELUCIDATIONS ON LLAMA:

If we're looking for the person who has talked the talk about catching baddies only to fail at walking the walk, Llama is at the top of the list.

Now, excepting the Denim Mini role which is filled with secrets, and the bizarre super-duper top secret role that isn't even listed on the role list, it's so damn secret, there's no way Llama could start the game with info on Sorsha's alignment. (Which is more or less irrelevant to Llama, anyway.)

Nevertheless, Llama comes out the game swinging at Sorsha. With no real reasoning and no real attempt to convince anyone else of Sorsha's scum-mery.

It's an empty move with an empty meaning that serves to generate empty discussion.

And then you have posts like this:

thellama73 wrote:I tend to view the game in terms of Hunters and Blenders. Some skilled baddies are able to seem like Hunters, but most Hunters are good. A lot of civilians are Blenders because that's just their playstyle, but a Blender is more likely to be bad.

So far:
A Person
Boomslang
Dragon D Luffy
DrWilgy
Elohcin
insernamehere
Long Con
Made
Metalmarsh89
MovingPictures07
ninjuukyugou
and Sorsha are Blenders

Epignosis
JaggedimmyJay
Quin
and Scotty have shown at least some signs of being Hunters.

I always find it funny that the people who make these reductive lists about who is playing the game as opposed to just, y'know, playing the game never deign to put themselves in the less analytical category.

This type of stuff always feels fake and ingratiating to me, like Llama is trying to push a narrative that benefits himself and not the civilians. Plus, I'd say that those four he singled out as "hunters" (as opposed to hunter-gatherers, I suppose) would most likely post frequently and aggressively tackle the game regardless of alignment, making this false hunter/blender dichotomy utterly irrelevant when it comes to actually telling who is good and who is bad.

But, it does clue us into what Llama was trying to accomplish with his throwaway accusation and vote. He's trying to look like a hunter without doing as much hunting as he possibly can. He instantly starts picking on someone who may not necessarily be in the top five post count players in every game they play, (i.e. a "blender") and zeros in on them.

It seems to be working out pretty well for him.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:What I like about llama is that he has drawn attention to himself deliberately and doesn't seem to give a damn. He made the game's first accusation, he assumed a confident posture in that read, and then he placed the game's first vote. At face value I like that kind of behavior.

When these attention-getting maneuvers are pretty hollow and self-serving, it's a bad thing, and something Llama shouldn't get a pass on.

Other hot takes on Llama's posts:

Dislike him discouraging Scotty from inquiring about role secrets and mechanics, could be attempting to hint there.

As LC correctly identified, the "high posters are civs, low posters are sitting back and laughing" post is buddy-buddy and another example of Llama, the gifted writer that he is, inventing a narrative instead of trying to baddie-hunt.

JJJ's first comment about llama caught my eye, and many have commented, and I like this set of embedding and responses. Llama is sneaky, and attracts attention regardless of alignment. It's how he hides (or, y'know, plays). It's been quite some time since I've had the pleasure of playing with him, and I'm wondering if JJJ hasn't played much with llama because of his mini-hiatus? Strange comment to make if you know llama (since this behavior is not alignment-indicative, IMO), not as strange if you haven't since he can look super helpful when he wants. Still worth raising an eyebrow for JJJ. And keeping an eye on llama, of course

Epignosis wrote:

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:llama's last game as a mafioso (Spirited Away)

Parallels: he only lived for one day phase in that game, but he was the most active player in the thread during that period. He is also proving to be pretty active in this game even if not quite to the same degree. This contrasts some of his town games in recent memory when his effort level has been lesser.

Contrasts: he employs less assertive language and seems a little less comfortable in Spirited Away than he does here.

Unfortunately that's the only semi-recent game I'm aware of. He was a killing indy in the 2015 GOC. He was a bit more assertive in that game and also relatively active (more comparable to his activity in this game), but he also didn't know other players' alignments.

I don't think any of that is helpful.

Logan gets caught by other means. He's like the spider in the Legend of Zelda. You can't just stab him with your nice new sword. Only arrows will work.

Like in Legend of Zelda Mafia?

Anyway, I'm pointing these fingers at llama, but I don't intend to vote for him today. Why? Because a) I'm majorly disinclined to vote for people participating in the beginning (I've mentioned my reasons for this in like the past five games I've played) and b) I'm not at the suspicion point with him - I'm just indicating that this is not necessarily civ behavior from him, and he should be watched.

Other thoughts:

- MM doesn't get frustrated like he is currently. Won't vote for him. Dude gets voted out Days 1 constantly.
- Liking Epi's points on DDL. Hypocritical, and not posting much (and hardly anything of substance). May very well vote that way.
- Not agreeing with llama's assertions on Sorsha at this moment, or especially others latching on. Give a joke post, get a joke post. I don't really see the baddiness.
- Want to vote a low/non-poster. But not Made. Haven't played with that dude for too long. Where is MP? Weeeeeeird.

Okay, I'm getting rambly. And hungry. And in need of human interaction. And beer. Gonna vote DDL and see what happens.

Almost caught up. Stand by. Won't be a long post, but will post and vote. Kind of starving. Kind of tired.

I felt it was time I added to the conversation. And puns.