The Syndicate

MovingPictures07 wrote:LOL, Epi! Indeed. And I thought Epi was just being super mean when he wouldn't answer any of our questions about the recruiting, but it makes so much sense now.

Canucklehead wrote:Did you receive the message about recruiting me, but with no BTSC, MP?

I did! I even PMed Epi after you voted me, "Hey bitch, where's my BTSC? "

That's fantastic.
I added that bit about you having to convince me to vote for you in order to gain BTSC because I honestly didn't know how I was going to make a case against you, and I wanted you to do it for me
....but then you weren't around right away, and I was worried about a bandwagon starting on someone else before I could stop it, so I went digging through your posts and made some shit up.
I wasn't lying when I said you hadn't done much to real your alignment in the thread. Other than the Day 1 stuff, I think the case I made against you was spectacularly unconvincing.

MovingPictures07 wrote:Canuck, you owned me completely in the end. The reason you hadn't seen jokes from me is because truly I was terrible at coming up with ideas and couldn't think of any!

And I considered NKing you, but we had too many threats going around, and when you did "laugh" I kept waiting for my recruit!

Not making jokes was totally to your benefit! I was 100% convinced by the Betty Boop thing, and was tying myself in knots trying to figure out which of llama, bea, or rabbit was Greasy. I was ready to vote bf the next day, until you made your fox comment.

Did you receive the message about recruiting me, but with no BTSC, MP?

^^ banner in my sig, not my dog. Lol.

I had loads of fun this game. I'm honestly surprise the baddies bought the ploy, since I had to include a million caveats and things in the original PM to make it work.
I thought BR was bad for EVER because she was the first to laugh at Bass' Hitler joke, and I assumed the baddies would stockpile laughs among their teammates to get their point total up. Sorry, BR!
After Zomb's lynch, I was really lost because I could not find any jokes for 2 or 3 of the pictures I sent. I was actually sure by that point that they were no longer buying it, and was totally hooped. I pushed for llama and bea and rabbit because I thought maybe their abscence during the Greasy nights explained the lack of jokes.
I sent in the last cartoon not at all believing that they would bite, and certain that bf must've been the last baddie and had ignored out the ruse...and then just after bea's lynch MP posted his fox "joke" and I nearly jumped out of my chair. I knew I needed to stay alive one more night in order to get the message out about MP, so I posted in the thread a laugh for MPs joke (thus making me a "recruit" candidate) and that I was sure we needed to lynch bf the next day (so that MP wouldn't want to kill me), and then I sent my last message to MP, saying that he had successfully recruited Canucklehead, but that we wouldn't have BTSC :giggle:
I'm not sure if MP bought that, but since he needed to kill Sophie I was safe or the night.


Anywho, I've never had so much fun with a role before. This game will definitely go down on my list of favourites EVER. I may even put the banner in my dog!

Epignosis wrote:

Canucklehead wrote:I can see Epi at the bottom of the page.

I'm busy.

I appreciate your hard work

I can see Epi at the bottom of the page.

blindfaeth wrote:Well regardless of who it is you played a great game and I applaud you.

I hope I'm not being duped but guess I gotta vote MP

I think bf might have thought she voted.....but she did not.

MovingPictures07 wrote:Ugh, this is so unfair. I

Also, this is a real pet peeve of mine, and I wish you hadn't gone there, MP.

I understand that you're playing a role, and you have nothing left to save yourself except the pouty frustrated civ act, but calling something "unfair" when players (myself included) have been incredibly conscientious of NOT being unfair and not infodumping and making legit cases etc. etc. is a low blow and really uncalled for, even if you're just saying it "in character". Find some other language to use to throw your feigned tantrum, because we have been nothing but fair this game. We caught you. That doesn't make it "unfair", that makes it mafia.

Where are bf and rabbit? Come vote, friends!

I am also voting MP.



Good try MP. You had us going for a looooong time.

FS, are you on board with an MP lynch?

The day of Zomb's lynch, MP does some pretty hardcore distancing. Of course, because of his fraud trick, it is absolutely imperative that he maintain his civ cred in the thread with people like me, bf, and fs (victims of his fraud), so I'm not really surprised by this throwing under the bus of Zomb. MP even admitted way back on Day 1 that when it comes down to it he's much more likely to
Sacrifice a teamie than defend them.
Essentially, since MP's fraud plot was always going to be predicated on him making it to endgame alone, I think the zomb lynch actually enhances my case, since it gives him a HUGE bunch of civ cred when he most needs it. This lynch (the endgame ultra distancing/cred getting) and the Day 1 lynch (the early game defenses of Aces and zomb) really seal the deal for me.

MP is the remaining weasel. Absolutely.

So on the day that Ninja should have been lynched, MP thinks my case on her is "astute" and "definitively convincing", but nonetheless spends the ENTIRE DAY talking about how we should lynch LC instead, and subtly pushing zomb as the detective
Here's an example of his conversations with me, in which he tries to stay on my good side by agreeing with me, while simultaneously trying to steer the thread away from a Ninja lynch and towards an LC lynch:

MovingPictures07 wrote:

Canucklehead wrote:

MovingPictures07 wrote:Duly noted, splints, I'll go check the roles again. Admittedly I don't have them all memorized.

Canucklehead wrote:

MovingPictures07 wrote:Wow, Canuck, that's astute. I hadn't been pinged at all by Blooper but when you present her posts like that, I don't understand how I wasn't. Very good detective work.

Here's where I'm at right now:
Blooper: Solid candidate for Toon Patrol, possibility for Judge (though no reason to believe it's true, IMO), possibility for civilian (seems doubtful about Canuck's points, but still a possibility)
LC: Solid candidate for Toon Patrol, solid candidate for Judge (though I still don't understand why Zomba is acting like she KNOWS LC is Judge), practically no possibility for civilian (I suppose it's possible but I don't see it)

I see the point regarding if LC is the Judge, then what's the point in lynching him today? It's a very good counterargument, and I otherwise would be leaning Blooper, but there are two questions I have that I just don't understand:

1) How would Zomba know that LC is the Judge?
2) How would a baddie team know that LC is the Judge and devise a plan for Bass to slip up, on purpose? In this case, both the baddie team would have to either know LC is the Judge OR have gotten lucky, AND the slip up had to be purposeful, which frankly I still don't believe is the case.

I could see why a vote for either candidate would be prudent today, but I personally am still leaning LC.

I don't understand why your uncertainty about LC being the Judge and zomba's and the baddies knowledge or lack thereof acctually makes you want to vote LC more?? Shouldn't that put doubt in your mind and make you want to vote him less.....or at least tomorrow??

What do you mean? Not sure I follow.

I still think there's a solid possibility that LC is Toon Patrol, don't you?

Yes, but because I have doubt about that (and doubt about his Judge-ness), I think Ninja is a much better bet. LC isn't going anywhere, and there is a LOT more uncertainty surrounding him. I think the prudent thing to do is lynch a weasel, and wait to see what people like Eloh have to offer about LC as the day goes on.

Fair enough. I still stand by my feelings on the matter, but I can see where you're coming from, and your perspective probably makes more logical sense.

He eventually does vote Ninja, once it seems clear that the popular opinion is with saving LC for another day, but that's because he knows the baddies have a save up their sleeves. His fake frustration after the failed lynch is pretty funny, in retrospect.
Also worth noting is how touchy MP is about possible "infodumping" by Eloh. His team is under serious pressure, and it shows in his irritability.

Before I get into the Bass stuff, I think it's worth noting that MP had 3 1/2 pages worth of posts from Day 0-Night 3. From Day 4 (when things reeeeaaaallly started to get ugly for the baddies) until now, he's had only 1 1/2 pages of posts. Obviously RL factors may have contributed to that catastrophic drop off, but I also think the fact that his team was spontaneously combusting around him didn't really give him a huge incentive to be involved in the thread, either.....just an observation.
Anywho.

Day 4: Bass lynch

Here is MP's first post after my big case on Bass (but before Bass' "slip"/the LC set-up):

MovingPictures07 wrote:Canuck, that's outstanding analysis. I didn't even think of that when I read through yesterday, I suppose because I've been just seeing standard behavior from Bass and Blooper and haven't felt pinged by either of them. I think you're probably onto something. I'm curious what Bass is thinking for today's cycle and hopefully he can defend against the points you've made. I would say I'm definitely leaning in that direction for a vote now, but that I agree with BF's most recent post that we should discuss this out fully and figure out where we should go. I don't think people should give up who they feel is most suspicious to vote someone less so (like I did against BF on D1, lol), but we definitely want to avoid a super spread out vote today because I feel that was dangerous yesterday.

BF, I'm glad we've both been able to take a step back on that matter. not cleared , but you're definitely not even within my radar of possible votes today.

BF, what in particular about Sophie's posts have been alarming? I didn't intend on harping on her today or voting for her because I'm trying to reevaluate, but I am curious: What do you make of her switch from focusing on low posters to abandoning it completely? That and her lack of transparency is what was throwing me off.

I'll be busy today because I'm spending one of my last days with Annie before she goes to Houston for training for her new job, but I promise to be back at least once before I cast my vote if I can.

fingersplints wrote:

blindfaeth wrote:

MovingPictures07 wrote: What is everyone else thinking? I feel we definitely need to see if we can have more discussion today because there was not enough last Day period.

Yeah, there was definitely not enough chatter last day period. And the vote was super scattered because of it.

I think my gut is telling me bea or zombs, personally. I'd also like to point spotlights at Bass and nijuu - if for no other reason, I sense they are flying way under the radar. I don't hear them being mentioned enough at all. Does anyone have a reason these two could be naughty? Their relative silence makes me nervous-

I had the same feeling about both. I always get a bit paranoid about quieter players since they seem careful and don't really post enough to give you any reason to be able to suspect them. I'm not sure if I would consider either quieter then normal. I'm trying to compare ninja's game now to when I have seen her as a baddie, but I can only think of Zelda she was bad in. so I'm curious what llama thinks since he was her teammate that game. (I guess Elo too since she was her teammate that game too. no offense Elo, but I trust llama more this game, and that's the only reason I am more curious what he thinks)
I don't know about bass. I was giving him the BOTD for all the game since he has RL stuff, but i agree he should be looked closer at. I am not suspicious of him for voting me, but I don't like that he still really hasn't elaborated. I guess I just feel that if he was bad, he would have voted for one of the more serious vote getters instead of voting for me. but I'd have to check the timing of his vote and how many were placed/left to see. When I saw his mom last though, she did say he learned everything he knows about mafia from SVS, so he might be more devious then expected

This is funny, splints, because you pretty much stole almost everything I was thinking about these two players when I read BF's post. Now I feel weird because this doesn't happen to me often due to my talking too much. :P

Regarding Blooper's bad game, she's like juliets to me. I can never tell whether she's being bad or good, all of her posts just read Blooper to me, so my opinion on her is probably worthless.

Two things stand out to me here: first, the strange linking together in his first paragraph of Bass and Blooper. While I had mentioned Blooper in my post (because bf had brought up both names together as being low posters), I did so explicitly to say that I was not suspicious of her at the time. It's super odd to me, then, that in his direct response to me, MP automatically links them together in the context of my suggestion that Bass's vote (not Blooper's, who I said I thought was civ) had been controlled by the Judge. MP says "I didn't even think of that when I read through yesterday, I suppose because I've been just seeing standard behavior from Bass and Blooper and haven't felt pinged by either of them.".........which is pretty strange, since I only mentioned being pinged by Bass. An unconscious coupling of Bass and Bloops in MPs mind? Just a little odd semantic thing, but interesting in retrospect.

The second thing I think is worth noting in this post is MP's generosity and openness in wanting Bass to come back and defend himself. MP thinks I'm on to something in my suspicion of Bass, and thinks he is likely going to vote there, but he's also really curious about who Bass wants to vote for and is really hopeful that Bass will come and defend himself?!?! His language is pretty contradictory there, because he has to make sure he can justify both a vote for Bass if he needs to, and a reason not o vote for Bass if at all possible.

Then, after the slip up/frame LC plan has gone down, this is MP's response (which is posted just 12 minutes after Ninja's, and 10 minutes before Bass' next post....a convenient temporal convergence of people who usually aren't in the thread much, probably because they were strategizing like mad in their chat):

MovingPictures07 wrote:LMAO!! This is classic. I'm so disappointed I didn't get to see this unfold in action. Sorry, Bass, but this is just too funny.

I'm pretty much in agreement with the sentiments expressed by Canuck that, while I could entertain this to be intentional, it does not appear to be. There were no votes cast at the time, right? And I echo that LC's two subsequent posts struck me as odd as well, like he was trying to play it off.

Man, I feel like I have nothing to contribute for the second time this day period. Stop having all the fun without me, guys!

I have to pop back out of here and I am not sure whether I'll be back in time later AND there's no reason to hold my vote. Lol. So I'll vote now. I'll go ahead and vote for Bass. I understand and share Canuck's paranoia, but looking at it rationally I don't think we have to worry about another switch; I think that was a one-time deal. If someone wants to put a vote or two elsewhere though, I don't see the harm in that.

Votes Bass

blindfaeth wrote:Well and keep in mind doom probably submits the player they vote for and Maybe which role should do it. But he isn't picking the specific player, or else he'd know everyone in the mafia team.

This is astute, BF, I think you're right.

Epi, is this how Doom's power works?

blindfaeth wrote:

Sophie wrote:why are so many people vouching for MP? that makes me nervous, first BR and LC, then bea, am probably missing soeone

whaths the rest of the people take on MP?

all i gotta say about me is im civvie, it might sounded that i contradicted mtself, but i just made a mistake i cant explain in the thread, im just saying the civvies will sufer a lot if i die, but, then again, it could help the case cause then civvies will know who to lynch next. im ok to being killed, i dont think i will be offendidly (thats probably isnt even a word) defeinding myself on the thread or pulling quotes and posts. Im civvie but if you dont wanna believe me its fine. I trust it will be ok in the end and the civvies left will do whats gotta be done

FWIW re Sophie this was one of the other alarming posts I saw. I thought the chatter about "so kill me, I'm civ And it will hurt the cause" was a little.. Unnecessary? Not that many were talking about her at this point to really make her a main lynch candidate, so it feels like an over reaction to me. I've done this before when I'm bad. You feel like everyone is accusing you but really it's only a couple people.

Duly noted, BF, thanks. I'm interesting though, what do you make of this in light of the recent... events? :P

So, this is a great post because MP gets to laugh genuinely at their gambit working, gets to do some distancing by getting his vote in early and with no fuss, and gets to get the ball really rolling on the LC framing. Well played.



And that's really it for the Bass lynch. Not a huge amount there, but enough for it to be really quite telling when you read it knowing that Bass, Blooper, and MP are all teammates.

Day 1:
Pushes for both bf and MM, to distance from Aces. Golden calls him on it, this is his response:

MovingPictures07 wrote:

Golden wrote:I'll add to this, because I think I should get this out in case something goes wrong.

Aces was around the thread and on the site plenty after he stopped posting. Eventually he backed off, hoping that suspicion of him died away and if he let it go I would stop posting about him and the lynch would go another way.

Shortly after, MP comes in and starts pushing for an MM lynch. He takes the heat off Golden v Aces (he doesn't see anything there), and makes several pushes to lynch MM. He doesn't vote for MM, but Aces does.

If Aces is bad, I think MP has done a very classic team tactic to get the heat off Aces and put it on someone else. If we were to lynch Aces today and he's bad, we'd do well to back it up with MP tomorrow.

This is an interesting theory, but it's wrong because I'm not bad.

You misunderstand me. I was not pushing an MM lynch. I expressed my thoughts not only about MM but about every other player about whom I had thoughts. I said I intended to vote BF or MM, but I thought my intention was that I was leaning more toward a BF vote because I actually find his behavior more suspect. Re-read what I've said and let me know if you think that was not the case.

You say I saw nothing between you and Aces and that is true. I haven't played with you or Aces in a long time, and I'm accustomed to Aces being quiet and not aggressive. I saw him aggressive in Death Note, and I won't elaborate since the game is ongoing and I have inside knowledge, but inevitably that influences my viewpoint of him. I don't have a read on either of you at the moment. How is that taking the heat off of you and Aces?

Now, with that said, I do find MM's self-vote and leave trick counterproductive, and while I do think a vote for him is based on principle (as rabbit astutely observed), but I also think a vote for him made sense in-game as well. If someone is going to vote out the player on D1 who had contributed little to baddie hunting, surely MM would be a candidate.

I don't understand how I was the one pushing an MM lynch when many players latched onto the comment made by LC. I merely expressed my thoughts about self-voting and MM's lack of baddie hunting.

I am a bit shocked how many folks voted for MM, but I don't see why they shouldn't have. It does make me a bit nervous though, especially Aces, who I was almost certain was going to vote for you.

You'll notice that he sidesteps Golden's (accurate) point that MP's pushing of MM was a way of turning the conversation away from Aces. Cleverly, he instead FURTHER turns the conversation away from Aces by pretending like Aces is some vague and mysterious character that he couldn't possibly have an opinion on, and that also he's hosting him so he shouldn't comment (more on this later), and that what we should REALLY be talking about is MM and how many people are voting for him and who started the train and....Aces, who is Aces??

Soon after, MP (who, you'll recall was previously unable to form an opinion on the mysterious Aces and unwilling to talk about his play in an ongoing game) pops in to drop in this one-liner that is a "casual" and heavily caveated defense of Axes (a defense that is very consciously and carefully worded so, if called on it later, he can deny that it's a defense at all but rather that he was just providing context):

MovingPictures07 wrote:Rabbit, if it helps, Aces played Death Note almost exactly as he has now, and he helped lynch a civilian. He was NKed, so his alignment is unknown.

Hmmmm. It seems MP actually has a pretty precise opinion on Aces (and is totes willing to talk about his ongoing game) when it can be used to help justify Zomb's "huge asset" comment and take Some of the heat of his teamies....

Later (after he's already thrown his vote away on bf), he rabidly jumps on fs in defense of zomba, and then vehemently denies he was defending zomba (lies!):

MovingPictures07 wrote:

fingersplints wrote:I'm voting zombrella in case I fall asleep before the lynch is over. I don't see how she could say Aces is a huge asset and is now backpedaling away. I am actually very excited to play with Aces, as I don't think I have in years, but he hasn't posted a lot and I don't see him as contributing significantly more then the other two she mentioned. And I don't see how one civvie death would be more important then another. What if Ace has a lousy ability and llama has a game changing one
I don't know. Something is just not sitting right with me there.

Woah, wait a minute. Didn't you voice some suspicion (differentued from mine) of BF earlier, after previously saying you didn't want to vote for him because it was his first game back in a while, and THEN later say you could see yourself voting MM for his self-vote.

Where does this come from? Why did you not mention either of those previous thoughts of yours at all?

This pinged me.

MovingPictures07 wrote:

thellama73 wrote:Geez, MP. If you love Zombrella so much, maybe you should just marry her. Snowman's not around, you know.

I'm not defending Zomba; I'm calling out splintseu for inconsistencies and I would like her to explain. Do you not agree with my observations?

Whoa, nelly!! Llama's post was CLEARLY jokey and light hearted, but MP panics and is all like "I'm not defending zomba, what're you talking about? Why would I defend zomba! It's not like she's on my team and totally just messed up and called our other teammate a huge asset or anything!".
Overreaction much? Llama didn't even use the word "defend". MP freudianly provided that one on his own.

Then we have this last post for the day, in which he once again denies having an opinion on Aces, but again subtly defends him by suggesting that he can't see him as bad because he's too coloured by DN:

MovingPictures07 wrote:

Golden wrote:

MovingPictures07 wrote:

fingersplints wrote:I'm voting zombrella in case I fall asleep before the lynch is over. I don't see how she could say Aces is a huge asset and is now backpedaling away. I am actually very excited to play with Aces, as I don't think I have in years, but he hasn't posted a lot and I don't see him as contributing significantly more then the other two she mentioned. And I don't see how one civvie death would be more important then another. What if Ace has a lousy ability and llama has a game changing one
I don't know. Something is just not sitting right with me there.

Woah, wait a minute. Didn't you voice some suspicion (different from mine) of BF earlier, after previously saying you didn't want to vote for him because it was his first game back in a while, and THEN later say you could see yourself voting MM for his self-vote.

Where does this come from? Why did you not mention either of those previous thoughts of yours at all?

This pinged me.

Pinged me too. Once again, if that comment from zombs is suspicious, then it's suspicious to SAVE ACES.

I just feel like the civvies are spreading their votes all over the show and getting played.

I do admit it's weird. I have to head out now, but with time pending, I'll re-read Aces after I let D1 sink in and let you know if I find anything of note. Upon reading his posts in real time, I don't have an opinion, but I suppose that's true of roughly 75% or more of the players right now for me. Maybe my opinion of him is unfairly being painted by DN and trying to compare it with games I played with Aces years ago where he was much quieter.

My current suspect list is as follows:
1) BF
2) MM
3) Splints
4) juliets

....AND THATS JUST DAY 1!!!!

I'm gonna post this now, because it's getting too long to be wieldly on my phone, but next I'm gonna look at the Bass lunch, the Ninja "lynch", and the zomb lynch...
Stay tuned!

Also, I'm doing this while lying in bed and sing my phone, so I may e a little less generous on the pull quotes than I would otherwise be. Apologies!

I'm working on my MP case now. I hope you'll all seriously, seriously consider it. I also hope you'll bear in mind that MP has played an excellent game, and made very few "mistakes" or indications of his alignment in thread, so what I'm pulling together may not seem damning on its own....but consider it in the context of all the other information we've surmised together, and I think it is utterly undeniable that MP is theist weasel. I don't have a doubt in my mind about it. I hope you'll all agree with me.

But gice ne a little bit to pull some quotes and do some exposition, I'll have it done before I fall asleep tonight.

FS is not a baddie. Do not vote for her.

We need to lynch MP. He has totally fooled me me all game, and I absolutely bought what r was selling before, but it was a scam.
He's the last baddie.

Bf, I am really, really sorry I went after you yesterday. I was totally wrong, and was missing a very crucial piece of information. I hope you'll forgive me? And I hope everyone else will be willing to listen to me, even though I've been so wrong these last few days.

I am not wrong anymore.

I no longer think we should vote BF. At all.

Any chance we can do shorter cycles? Maybe 12h nights? Waiting is harrrrd

MovingPictures07 wrote:Wow. This game is crazy. bea's reveal is crazier than a fox with a lady fox!
.

Lulz. What does this even mean?

Ugh. That was so unnecessary.
I am going to be super mad if I die tonight, and even madder if you don't all lynch bf tomorrow

I'm going to go ahead and vote bf because I have to leave. I believe he's the last baddie, and has played an excellent game.
I hope other people will also vote bf. If not, I hope we will work out a tie to save civs. Worst case, I think losing bea is the less bad option (sorry bea).

I would much rather lynch bf than do a no lynch/tie.....but I don't seem to have the support I need.

MP, how do you feel about setting up a tie? Give bf time to talk, give us time to sort shit out?

Fuckballs. I have to leave in , like, 2 minutes.

Because I think Sophie's power is valuable. I don't know about bf's. I don't have a lot of valuable slots left open on my spreadsheet.

linki: that ^^ was to fs

That is correct. Process of elimination.
Also, I'm happier being wrong about bf than wrong about Sophie.

I am not Maroon. I've said that several times.

Ninja was not Maroon, either. I think Maroon died loooong ago.

BF has schooled us all, I think.

I'm paranoid, too...but I'd rather be wrong about lynching bf than wrong about lynching Sophie.

MovingPictures07 wrote:

Canucklehead wrote:....and if she's lying, than good on her for a convincing lie. I think this actually IS a part of mafia. That's why Epi built so many info/false info/bts shenanigans into his game. It allows for there to be uncertianty in plays like this,....and (to answer your question) is also the reason I have uncertainty still about you.

This doesn't make sense, Canuck.

Why are you considering uncertainty about me and not her?

You said the baddies have mimic roles, why can't the baddies have a role checker of the players they kill? Epi typically has a role like this, and it would make sense given that Jessica Rabbit requires players to claim a role.

This smells fishy.

It does make sense, actually. No need to be condescending

It is a possibility.
I am considering it.
i'm reading Sophie as genuine, and you as likely genuine, which is why I am considering a bf lynch.


.....but I'm uncertain as hell about all of you.

Going outside to play with my dog for a few minutes! Keep talking, I'll brb

....and if she's lying, than good on her for a convincing lie. I think this actually IS a part of mafia. That's why Epi built so many info/false info/bts shenanigans into his game. It allows for there to be uncertianty in plays like this,....and (to answer your question) is also the reason I have uncertainty still about you.

Yeah, but now that it's happened, we can't pretend it didn't and lynch Sophie.

Sophie wrote:Maybe bf voted bea to look good when i turned out civvie. He knew most votes would go my way

Yeah, I think that's what's going on. Then tomorrow he would turn on bea, who obviously would've voted to save herself.

MP, unless someone else wants to argue with Sophie's role claim, I don't see how she could be lying. No one unrevealed has died since the role was used except BR, and I don't think BR was that role.

If rabbit, bea, MP, and I all vote bf, we should be OK.

However, I still can't decide if bf or MP is the more likely baddie. BF's rush to vote bea today while there was still cray cray discussion going on doesn't look good.

Also, Ithink rabbit is en route from China or something? So he likely won't be around to vote.

I think our best option now is to orchestrate a tie so that no one is lynched....but this will require MP, bea, and rabbit to all be on board......a task which seems.....unlikely.

Sophie, I'm sorry I wasn't around to take part in this discussion earlier. I would have asked you to vote bf with me instead of bea.

Or, MP could also be bad.....but I'm more inclined at this point to think it was bf.

Why is no one listening to what Soph is saying? She's basically claimed a role, a role that she couldn't fake. (Only BR has died without a role reveal since that role used it's power, and I am 99% BR wasn't that role.)
Therefore, I trust Soph about Rabbit.
I also think fs has no reason to try and save bea if fs is the last baddie, and they can't both be baddie since I know Ninja was bad.
So.

OK. So bf is the remaining baddie, yes?
What a fucking great game she's played.
I wish you all hadn't voted so early.

Fs: is is even conceivable to you that bea could be bad? Or are you not even entertaining that possibility?l

Linki: Soph, I agree with fs that MP is much less likely to be bad than bea, rabbit, and you

Linki again: yes, I do know what you are saying. I am not 100% sure I beleive you yet, but I do know what you're getting at

Sophie, can you say anything more about why you are sure that rabbit is good? Is it directly related to why you are sure ninja is bad?

Linki w/fs: yeah, I remember that rabbit comment, too

OK. I dunno what to do. Gonna go to the gym and then get some reading done and maybe come back later. Hopefully someone will have had some brilliant ideas by then.

When's the last time Benny was active?

I think honestly that rabbit, bea, and Sophie might all have to be lynched in turn until we get the baddie, because I cannot decide on which one is more likely bad. I think there are compelling reasons for each one of them to be civ, and circumstanial evidence for each one of them to be bad.

I think we're just going to have to lynch one of them, see what happens, hope we survive the night (which may give us more info, I would think?!), lynch the next one, then if the game STILL doesn't end, hope that Herman can finish it off for us.......providing, of course, that we haven't lynched Herman in the process.

With that said, I think I'm currently torn between bea and rabbit, while Sophie is seeming more genuine to me. I think she and fs are kinda talking about different roles....