The Syndicate

colonialbob wrote: ↑Thu Dec 27, 2018 11:50 pm And no I can't point to any specific moment I was like "damn I'm so civ" because I wasn't thinking about appearing civ because I am civ so I don't have to worry about trying to blend

Idk if that's true? As I civ I am still very concerned about appearing civ too. Mislynches are real common and there's lots of manipulation happening all the time. You can't just not care about how you're perceived no matter what role you are, I don't think that's how this game works.

colonialbob wrote: ↑Thu Dec 27, 2018 11:43 pm So far your best argument is "he's so town he has to be mafia which... wew lads

Which is what I said about Mac multiple times...

I was gonna get back into this discussion but it seems like you guys got it handled and there were crazy alien lights all up in the sky by my house so who knows maybe this really is the end.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Thu Dec 27, 2018 11:27 pm

colonialbob wrote: ↑Thu Dec 27, 2018 11:25 pm

Dana wrote: ↑Thu Dec 27, 2018 11:23 pm

colonialbob wrote: ↑Thu Dec 27, 2018 11:12 pm Oh man Mac silenced DH lol

Why do you say this?

Because Mac claimed he can see everybody around him and that fits with Darth Malignus the silencer

I thought it would be funny.

So you did silence DH? Why is this the first time you used your silencing power? And wouldn't you be able to see around you anyway just due to being mafia or is that not how it works

I mean Mac said the only people who would oppose would be the other mafia team or indie chaos enhancers. I don't think it's a perfect plan but it seems good enough to me. I know literally nothing so info is pretty cool I think

colonialbob wrote: ↑Thu Dec 27, 2018 11:12 pm Oh man Mac silenced DH lol

Why do you say this?

colonialbob wrote: ↑Thu Dec 27, 2018 10:57 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Thu Dec 27, 2018 10:25 pm For the uninitiated:

1. I am Jagged Blade. So is speedchuck, sorsha and juliets (obvs).
2. We killed Turnip Head.
3. We didn't kill Kylemii.
4. Epignosis stripped my win condition on night 2 so I can't win as Mafia.
5. Epignosis as The Hunger joined our team (at the time we didn't know it was him). We were given the chance to send him a message to prevent him hungering us. Someone (not me) sent him a message that effectively revealed all of us to him.
6. Epi left the team and then info dumped our names to the thread.
7. I by process of elimination due to being able to see most of the players positions every night have worked out who the Mafia are.
8. I know there are alternate wincons around.
9. I am asking you to let me live til I am the last Mafia standing to give me long enough to maybe find a benign 3p win con. Which I already have been searching for and have a clue on how to find.

So I believe all of this up to 6, not sure I believe 7, 8 is pretty obvious, and 9 is "lol nope" levels. Like I've seen too many baddies (usually SK of course) pull the "you need to leave me alive to have a chance" and it turns around and bites civs. I mean, you do still presumably have a night kill which is not a town friendly thing. And I mean shit you've already said you can't win as long as Epi is alive which may or may not be that much longer since he's not necessarily a town-friendly indy.

That said, I'm willing to hear what you have to say tomorrow, and I don't think you're necessarily an auto-lynch or anything. But I have a hard time figuring out how eliminating a NK is a negative thing for town.

So you're saying that you don't believe that he knows who the other mafia team is? If he is just trying to survive until Epi dies and he gets his win condition back, why would he out himself and his team and not just continue pretending to be a civ?

MacDougall wrote: ↑Thu Dec 27, 2018 10:56 pm Speedchuck is unfortunately very unwell and is going back to the hospital today so please keep him in your thoughts and direct positive energy his way.

Sorry you have to go back to the hospital but I hope you get well soon!

Epignosis wrote: ↑Thu Dec 27, 2018 10:50 pm

Dana wrote: ↑Thu Dec 27, 2018 10:46 pm

Epignosis wrote: ↑Thu Dec 27, 2018 10:43 pm I won't be voting Mac Day 8. If that is the wish of the majority, so be it, but I won't be joining in. I hope that makes sense.

If he can help us get more mafia that we otherwise wouldn't know about and isn't a threat to us anymore I won't vote to lynch him right away either.

I'm not voting for him out of principle. It has nothing to do with what he can offer. Mac drew a crap hand and had the balls to bring it in the thread anyway, and then was gracious enough to step down when it was good to do so. I admire that.

If he can gain a new win condition from the map, I won't stand in the way of that. If others wish to lynch him, I won't stand in the way of that.

Well that makes sense and I hope he can gain a new win condition also but if he even if he does he is still jagged blade and the civs can't win unless he dies (or does him getting a new win condition change our win condition too? idk)

Epignosis wrote: ↑Thu Dec 27, 2018 10:43 pm I won't be voting Mac Day 8. If that is the wish of the majority, so be it, but I won't be joining in. I hope that makes sense.

If he can help us get more mafia that we otherwise wouldn't know about and isn't a threat to us anymore I won't vote to lynch him right away either.

sabie12 wrote: ↑Thu Dec 27, 2018 10:12 pm Also in regard to all this stuff mac has been saying it all doesnt sound very good if theres only 4 of us left it doesn't sound like we have very good odds then siiiiggghhhh. And DH was silenced which is interesting since no one else has been silenced all game have they?

I mean I agree it's not great but I think we still have a chance especially if Mac is telling the truth and I think he is. If speed flips jagged blade I don't see any reason not to listen to Mac unless he's secretly corrupt remnant or there's some other sort of crazy manipulation going on but like occam's razor you know? And yeah I don't think anyone else has been silenced yet.

So 5 Indies then? DH, Quin, Epi, INH and/or Tranq. Indies just have to stay alive though right? So can they count as part of the town too because four civs left is so few and that's scary

Ah okay my bad. I mean it's not often (I think? I haven't played that many games) that mafia is just like "yo it's me I'm bad but here's some helpful stuff too" so why wouldn't we want to hear you out? It's strange for sure but as long as there's not more random funny stuff going on which is always a possibility I don't see why the rest of the civs wouldn't listen.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Thu Dec 27, 2018 9:31 pm Thank you for at least entertaining me Dana I appreciate it.

Well this has been fun, glad you were entertained, guess I'll [VOTE: speedchuck] aubergine then.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Thu Dec 27, 2018 9:18 pm The other team won't waste a NK on me. That would be hilarious and dumb.

I mean it makes complete sense to me. They know that you know who they are and if they kill you then you can't tell us. I don't understand how that would be dumb of them to do. Am I missing something here?

MacDougall wrote: ↑Thu Dec 27, 2018 9:08 pm Ultimately it's not up to me anymore. It's up to the rest of you to discuss.

Wait hold on I still have questions. How did you work out who was on the other team? Also say we lynch speedchuck today and you don't tell us who's on the other mafia team for your leverage (which I still don't really understand because you're gonna have to get killed anyway for the civs + Indies to win what does staying alive a few more days do for you?), what's stopping the other team from NKing you to keep you quiet and picking off the rest of the civs and winning?

MacDougall wrote: ↑Thu Dec 27, 2018 9:02 pm

Dana wrote: ↑Thu Dec 27, 2018 9:00 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Thu Dec 27, 2018 8:58 pm The Corrupt Remnant have been brilliant. One died by our hand, one by the info of a lie detector. The other two will win if you don't leave me alive long enough to help you.

So if you guys knew who they were why haven't you been NKing them?

It's a numbers game. Can't let any team gain too much of a numbers advantage. The board is set up evenly right now.

I don't understand, why can't you kill the other team to let your own team have an advantage? Or are you saying the hosts wouldn't let that happen?

S~V~S wrote: ↑Thu Dec 27, 2018 9:00 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Thu Dec 27, 2018 8:58 pm The Corrupt Remnant have been brilliant. One died by our hand, one by the info of a lie detector. The other two will win if you don't leave me alive long enough to help you.

Did I miss where the hosts said there were four on a team?

Maybe he is assuming they have 4 because his team had 4?

MacDougall wrote: ↑Thu Dec 27, 2018 8:58 pm The Corrupt Remnant have been brilliant. One died by our hand, one by the info of a lie detector. The other two will win if you don't leave me alive long enough to help you.

So if you guys knew who they were why haven't you been NKing them?

I mean it's a good one I think but this is crazy

What a strategy

Also like good job though if you were mafia this whole time I knew I trusted you too much for it to be true. Man why am I so bad at this game?

MacDougall wrote: ↑Thu Dec 27, 2018 8:52 pm

Dana wrote: ↑Thu Dec 27, 2018 8:44 pm Oh snap it's getting wild up in here. So just to be absolutely clear Mac you're admitting to being mafia with speedchuck? Why would you tell us that I'm so confused. Is speedchuck cool with this?

Speedchuck is doomed regardless. I am telling you this because the other Mafia team killed Juliets and I know who they are and would like for them to die.

So why not tell us who the other mafia are so that we can lynch them if you want them dead?

Tranq wrote: ↑Thu Dec 27, 2018 3:54 pm

sabie12 wrote: ↑Thu Dec 27, 2018 6:01 am I do wonder why dana and inh keep saying they're alone when they've been hanging out for the past two days.

I've been trying to wrap my head around this. They could be telling the truth, it is possible for two players to share the same square without having BTSC. But you're saying this happened two days in a row?

My very first mafia game I had civ BTSC with a different person every night and DH was mafia and convinced me he was civ and I hardcore trusted him the whole entire game until the very end when I learned he was bad all along and it really messed me up. Now I am wary of talking to anyone ever. Also I don't "keep saying" I said once that I want some friends, I just want to make sure they're good ones you know?

S~V~S wrote: ↑Thu Dec 27, 2018 7:22 am Also Juliets role sounded pretty good, and it wasn't. She was most def bad. Portalman didn't sound particularly sinister, either. I would be leery of lynching people based on role descriptions.

I gotta say I am not loving people lying about being alone. I have not spoken directly to anyone but the host since Night 2.

Yes exactly this about the role names. And also I am not lying, I can't speak for INH but even though I've been near people, I had no way to know who they were and I didn't want to trust chance, so I've been trying to lay low map-wise to not get killed.

Oh snap it's getting wild up in here. So just to be absolutely clear Mac you're admitting to being mafia with speedchuck? Why would you tell us that I'm so confused. Is speedchuck cool with this?

Tranq wrote: ↑Thu Dec 27, 2018 5:25 am

Dana wrote: ↑Thu Dec 27, 2018 3:36 am How would telling me who you wanted me to talk to be breaking the rules if saying you yourself wanted to talk to me isn't? Is this breaking the rules because we are talking about the lack of talking right now?

What? It would be breaking the rules because it would reveal who i've had BTSC with

Oh yeah true I guess I didn't put that together haha my bad don't mind me

MacDougall wrote: ↑Thu Dec 27, 2018 4:01 am

Dana wrote: ↑Thu Dec 27, 2018 3:04 am Hey Mac how did you know DH and Jack were chilling?

The important thing is that I do.

Idk I feel like the how is kinda important too but no one seems to like explaining how

Tranq wrote: ↑Thu Dec 27, 2018 3:26 am

MacDougall wrote: ↑Thu Dec 27, 2018 2:33 am I think Tranq is the Dark Worshipper and I think he killed Lorab and Sorsha. I also think he has been trying to lure Dana to him so he can sacrifice her to finish his weird ass win con.

Nope, none of these things. I'm a civ. My weird ass stuff ended when i failed the Day 3 lynch.
Your Epignosis theory sounds believable, though i'd rather focus on lynching an actual baddie.
Someone using an item or a square could've sent you a message.

Oh wait so you're saying that what INH is claiming is actually you? I'm confused. I remember some talk about one of you being the copy animal and copying the other that day but I don't remember how that resolved?

Tranq wrote: ↑Thu Dec 27, 2018 3:15 am @Dana
Your questions don't look fake to me.
I've been on the squares i mentioned to you. You had no reason to trust me but you did, so i'm trusting you now. I don't think you're bad. Telling you who you'd be meeting up with would be breaking the rules, though.

Can you give your thoughts on the players i mentioned?
If it's between speedchuck and timmer as Jack said, who do you think tried to kill DH?
Any other suspects or people you trust? What do you think of INH?

Honestly I'm not sure how much trust has to do with it I just want some friends it's lonely out here. And I don't usually trust myself on who I do and don't trust if that makes sense? Like for example Mac has been making great points all game and seeming really good and I think I trust him quite a bit so that concerns me and makes me think he's bad you know?

Also you told me you thought I was bad yesterday. How would telling me who you wanted me to talk to be breaking the rules if saying you yourself wanted to talk to me isn't? Is this breaking the rules because we are talking about the lack of talking right now?

I would have to go look back on speedchuck and timmer, I honestly don't remember much of what was going on with them. I think I liked timmer very early on (like day one or two maybe?) but I know that doesn't mean much now. I trusted Enrique a bit but I was worried it was just friendship bias since I know him better than I know the other players in this game. Not super useful information now that he's been killed but idk I feel like I wouldn't have been too surprised if he had flipped bad. Glad he didn't though, good job out there pal.

INH seems okay to me, that post earlier in the night seemed genuine and somewhat relatable. I don't think he's a threat and I think we need all the civs we got. Half the players that started are dead and only 3 of them were bad, that's not great for us at all.

Hey Mac how did you know DH and Jack were chilling?

MacDougall wrote: ↑Thu Dec 27, 2018 2:44 am Also Epignosis was The Hunger and he's also The Darkness. He's anti-town as fuck so I'd also like to lynch him at earliest convenience.

I mean he just said he's not interested in lynching mafia anymore so unless that was a joke I'm not sure why he'd tell us that. But sounds good to me I guess

My current theory is that he was working with Enrique somehow because Enrique told me to trust Tranq the first night he tried to meet up with me. So maybe Tranq wanted Enrique to meet me but Enrique got killed instead? But if that was the case idk why Tranq wouldn't have just said so, being vague like this is real sketchy.

Quin wrote: ↑Thu Dec 27, 2018 1:40 am

DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Thu Dec 27, 2018 1:39 am

Dana wrote: ↑Thu Dec 27, 2018 1:38 am

Tranq wrote: ↑Thu Dec 27, 2018 1:31 am

Dana wrote: ↑Thu Dec 27, 2018 1:12 am @Tranq you make a big deal about meeting and then stand me up? Not cool bud

I wanted you to meet up with someone else. I guess they didn't get the location change you suggested in time, or didn't trust you, i guess.

I can see where you are. Don't interact with your square. It won't kill you but it won't help either.
Right, down is a decent good square for you to visit.
Or go right, down, right if you want to learn a new power.

How do you know all these things? What reason do I have to trust you or your companions at all? Who did you want me to meet up with?

What excellent questions.

too bad theyre faked

What's faked, my questions? They are not fake at all I just want some answers.

Tranq wrote: ↑Thu Dec 27, 2018 1:31 am

Dana wrote: ↑Thu Dec 27, 2018 1:12 am @Tranq you make a big deal about meeting and then stand me up? Not cool bud

I wanted you to meet up with someone else. I guess they didn't get the location change you suggested in time, or didn't trust you, i guess.

I can see where you are. Don't interact with your square. It won't kill you but it won't help either.
Right, down is a decent good square for you to visit.
Or go right, down, right if you want to learn a new power.

How do you know all these things? What reason do I have to trust you or your companions at all? Who did you want me to meet up with?

DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Thu Dec 27, 2018 1:14 am

Dana wrote: ↑Thu Dec 27, 2018 1:12 am @Tranq you make a big deal about meeting and then stand me up? Not cool bud

I told you your boi was trippin.

Can't believe I'm saying this but I probably should have listened to you

[mention]Tranq[/mention] you make a big deal about meeting and then stand me up? Not cool bud

Oh and Sorsha too I guess if you were good though I hope you weren't (no offense!) we are just losing too many civs up in here

Rip Enrique
gimme the amulet

Also got this weird thing where every voter for bonus was Colin? Confused.

Wait hold on I'm confused I thought you said bonus was bonus cataclysm

Oh wait yeah true I thought bonus sounded nice but the time thing makes more sense gonna change my vote

DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Wed Dec 26, 2018 1:06 pm

Dana wrote: ↑Wed Dec 26, 2018 8:57 am

Tranq wrote: ↑Wed Dec 26, 2018 4:21 am

Dana wrote: ↑Tue Dec 25, 2018 11:32 pm

Tranq wrote: ↑Tue Dec 25, 2018 7:43 am @Dana Let's try this again. Meet me 1 square to the right of your Day 5 location.

How about 1 square below my Day 5 location instead?

Ok.
@My travelling companions: let's change the meet up to the square Dana suggested.

Oh I didn't realize this would be a group affair. What is going on here?

I'm tellin' ya that Tranq's a wily wascally wabbit. If I was you's I'd hippity hop far far away from him and his apparent posse he just now told you about after securing your trust and luring you into what is for sure definitely a trap.

How certain are you that this is a trap? Why should I trust you more than Tranq when you made the world all fiery and deathful?

Tranq wrote: ↑Wed Dec 26, 2018 4:21 am

Dana wrote: ↑Tue Dec 25, 2018 11:32 pm

Tranq wrote: ↑Tue Dec 25, 2018 7:43 am @Dana Let's try this again. Meet me 1 square to the right of your Day 5 location.

How about 1 square below my Day 5 location instead?

Ok.
@My travelling companions: let's change the meet up to the square Dana suggested.

Oh I didn't realize this would be a group affair. What is going on here?

DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Wed Dec 26, 2018 12:01 am

Dana wrote: ↑Tue Dec 25, 2018 11:32 pm

Tranq wrote: ↑Tue Dec 25, 2018 7:43 am @Dana Let's try this again. Meet me 1 square to the right of your Day 5 location.

How about 1 square below my Day 5 location instead?

Don't go there it's boobytrapped to explode.

You know, at this point I wouldn't even be surprised. If I go to meet Tranq and get murdered instead honestly it's my own dumb fault. Except it would be Tranq's fault so please lynch him if I die thanks

Tranq wrote: ↑Tue Dec 25, 2018 7:43 am @Dana Let's try this again. Meet me 1 square to the right of your Day 5 location.

How about 1 square below my Day 5 location instead?

S~V~S wrote: ↑Sun Dec 23, 2018 9:39 am @Dana, You had said you only played one bad game. I recall when you first started, you and another young lady started at about the same time. One was on my bad team, and she did not even show up, she just gave up day one. Said she hated being bad and refused to play. Was that you, or was that someone else? I don't recall the game, or I would look it up. I have been BOTD with you partially because of that, but I have been thinking about it, and I am thinking it wasn't you.

linki, Someone brought him back, maybe?

No, the only time I was bad was with llama, and I think it was a very short game. I didn't really like being bad but I wouldn't refuse to play due to it, I am just not very good at it. I started with a friend named made but I don't think he was bad in our first game either. I don't remember anyone else starting around the same time as me, but it's definitely possible, there's much more to this site than just what I've seen.

Hi everyone, happy holidays to you all! [VOTE: DDL] aubergine due to sig info

Quin wrote: ↑Sun Dec 23, 2018 5:13 am

Dana wrote: ↑Sun Dec 23, 2018 5:00 am

Quin wrote: ↑Sun Dec 23, 2018 4:56 am

Dana wrote: ↑Sun Dec 23, 2018 4:45 am

Tranq wrote: ↑Sun Dec 23, 2018 4:15 am @Dana might be the Kraken. Can anyone counterclaim this? I am disappointed, and now i have no reason to trust her.

I am not the Kraken but I think you might be. Why are you disappointed, because I didn't trust your "meet me in the alley" tactic? Sorry but that seemed a little too sketchy for me. Tell me, how did you know where I was?

dana waited until the day after the question this info wow get yourself a baddie right here folks

It was a little difficult for me to question things when I couldn't really talk yesterday.

this aint gonna fly when we all know all you had to do yesterday was cough at the end of every post

That's not all I had to do, maybe you should look a little closer. Not sure if I'm allowed to talk about exactly what happened but there was more to it than that.

Tranq wrote: ↑Sun Dec 23, 2018 5:10 am

Dana wrote: ↑Sun Dec 23, 2018 4:45 am

Tranq wrote: ↑Sun Dec 23, 2018 4:15 am @Dana might be the Kraken. Can anyone counterclaim this? I am disappointed, and now i have no reason to trust her.

I am not the Kraken but I think you might be. Why are you disappointed, because I didn't trust your "meet me in the alley" tactic? Sorry but that seemed a little too sketchy for me. Tell me, how did you know where I was?

The Kraken wouldn’t have been able to travel to the square i wanted to meet you on. Which is why i asked you to come.
@INH: What are your thoughts on Dana?

I definitely could have gone to meet you, I just chose not to because I didn't trust you. You also didn't answer my question.

Quin wrote: ↑Sun Dec 23, 2018 4:56 am

Dana wrote: ↑Sun Dec 23, 2018 4:45 am

Tranq wrote: ↑Sun Dec 23, 2018 4:15 am @Dana might be the Kraken. Can anyone counterclaim this? I am disappointed, and now i have no reason to trust her.

I am not the Kraken but I think you might be. Why are you disappointed, because I didn't trust your "meet me in the alley" tactic? Sorry but that seemed a little too sketchy for me. Tell me, how did you know where I was?

dana waited until the day after the question this info wow get yourself a baddie right here folks

It was a little difficult for me to question things when I couldn't really talk yesterday.