The Syndicate

Garden Gnome wrote: ↑Thu Jun 03, 2021 5:34 pm
Made wrote: ↑Thu Jun 03, 2021 5:04 pm Garden gnome missed the radar, smh

@Garden Gnome whatchu bout?
I got poisoned.
What do you need to know about me?

not much actually! that works out really well lmao. Rough shake tho, I'll catch you in graveyard chat??

Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu Jun 03, 2021 5:26 pm Also can't really help but doubt the validity of "I think Jay and Guillo interactions should be investigated" when the premise of that mutual suspicion is something that has never existed anywhere.

I meant Jay and Garden, i just didn't know it. You asked me for my reads of a game I haven't read, so I tried my best off the top. I don't have notes, and I forgot Garden was playing. So I accept my chop, my language comprehension and lack of object permanence are clearly to the detriment of town if I'm not making sense, but I don't think my route points are nonsensical here.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu Jun 03, 2021 5:23 pm
Made wrote: ↑Thu Jun 03, 2021 5:21 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu Jun 03, 2021 5:16 pm
Made wrote: ↑Thu Jun 03, 2021 5:02 pm I wouldn't put faking mason's past Nanook
Made wrote: ↑Thu Jun 03, 2021 5:05 pm
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu Jun 03, 2021 5:04 pm If you think the mason claims can be fake, pairing me with Guillosooa is a bizarre choice.
how so? didn't y'all claim lovers or something?
This might be a perspective slip of sorts from Made. In his first post he acknowledges that Nanook has claimed to be one half of a mason pair. In his next post he claims to suspect jay and guillotine/esooa as a pair because he believes they have claimed lovers together.

These two reads should not exist together. Nanook only claimed mason after being indirectly outed via Guillotine. There has never been anything suggestive of a Jay/Guillo pairing. If Made has the game awareness to know that Nanook is a mason, then he should not be mistakenly reading Jay and Guillo/esooa as lovers.
I feel like he needed to create fake suspicion against as many people as he could muster and accidentally slipped two completely contradictory views of the game.
I mean i knew that Nanook claimed mason, and Jay claimed lovers. Their partner's names both started with G and I only technically speak english.
How did you become aware of nanook's claim?

he said it, someone mentioned that Nanook and Lomo were off radar, so i read them and saw he claimed

Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu Jun 03, 2021 5:16 pm
Made wrote: ↑Thu Jun 03, 2021 5:02 pm I wouldn't put faking mason's past Nanook
Made wrote: ↑Thu Jun 03, 2021 5:05 pm
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu Jun 03, 2021 5:04 pm If you think the mason claims can be fake, pairing me with Guillosooa is a bizarre choice.
how so? didn't y'all claim lovers or something?
This might be a perspective slip of sorts from Made. In his first post he acknowledges that Nanook has claimed to be one half of a mason pair. In his next post he claims to suspect jay and guillotine/esooa as a pair because he believes they have claimed lovers together.

These two reads should not exist together. Nanook only claimed mason after being indirectly outed via Guillotine. There has never been anything suggestive of a Jay/Guillo pairing. If Made has the game awareness to know that Nanook is a mason, then he should not be mistakenly reading Jay and Guillo/esooa as lovers.
I feel like he needed to create fake suspicion against as many people as he could muster and accidentally slipped two completely contradictory views of the game.

I mean i knew that Nanook claimed mason, and Jay claimed lovers. Their partner's names both started with G and I only technically speak english.

Made wrote: ↑Thu Jun 03, 2021 5:10 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu Jun 03, 2021 5:08 pm
Made wrote: ↑Thu Jun 03, 2021 5:05 pm
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu Jun 03, 2021 5:04 pm If you think the mason claims can be fake, pairing me with Guillosooa is a bizarre choice.
how so? didn't y'all claim lovers or something?
You acknowledged that nanook had claimed mason in your post.
I thought he claimed with someone else. my stupid is not AI, i promise

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Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu Jun 03, 2021 5:08 pm
Made wrote: ↑Thu Jun 03, 2021 5:05 pm
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu Jun 03, 2021 5:04 pm If you think the mason claims can be fake, pairing me with Guillosooa is a bizarre choice.
how so? didn't y'all claim lovers or something?
You acknowledged that nanook had claimed mason in your post.

I thought he claimed with someone else. my stupid is not AI, i promise

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu Jun 03, 2021 5:07 pm
Made wrote: ↑Thu Jun 03, 2021 5:05 pm
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu Jun 03, 2021 5:04 pm If you think the mason claims can be fake, pairing me with Guillosooa is a bizarre choice.
how so? didn't y'all claim lovers or something?
You're doing it again, I'm afraid.

Gnome and I are casual lovers. Guillotine and Nanook are masons.

do you and Gnome have btsc?

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu Jun 03, 2021 5:04 pm If you think the mason claims can be fake, pairing me with Guillosooa is a bizarre choice.

how so? didn't y'all claim lovers or something?

Garden gnome missed the radar, smh

@Garden Gnome whatchu bout?

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu Jun 03, 2021 4:57 pm @Made I appreciate your efforts to get involved, but I can't say I have any idea where you're going with any of that.

just trynna see if y'all missed some stones, legacy reads from sean could of been huge

Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu Jun 03, 2021 4:34 pm
Made wrote: ↑Thu Jun 03, 2021 4:33 pm What even is a modified tracker?
What are your thoughts on the claims of living players? Why have you not claimed?

I think the attention you're putting on me is odd but i kinda appreciate it cuz it grounds my play. The Desperado stuff on you give you a pass for today, but if i were around I'd prob tinfoil at Fx

I like lomo's case on Jay, I think Jay/guilo interactions need to be looked at by non Jay person that's not comf biased as you seem to be on jay. This is doubly true if Martin is town and we're correctly assuming we have 2 scum left. Jay has the gavial hell in the cell working for him, but I do see him being the kind of confident player who would be willing to go for that play for the wifom

I wouldn't put faking mason's past Nanook, it's seeming like this game has a lot of btsc, so the idea of a neutral or evil align btsc sounds, but the case isn't really that compelling to me.

I think Mac's town on tone, he's as meme-y as he was in zelda mash and modern family, in comparison to spiderman where he ignored all my jokes. I think the fact that we're being shipped means we either only have one scum left in a player with less associative reads like martin, or it's just Jay/Guillo. based on my read of threads state, one scum is prob most likely

Allcrab reads fairly clean to me, but that might just be lack of familiarity with the player compared to the

I've already spoken on Alison, and I don't feel like being roasted on TangleStarkPro again. this is all off the top, so if i'm forgetting someone, that person auto sus af for missing my radar

but yeah, sorry for inactivity y'all, i normally don't get too into a game unless we're losing, or i'm getting turbo'd and that didn't really happen till today. I think we still got this tho

Seanzie wrote: ↑Sat May 29, 2021 3:30 pm
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Sat May 29, 2021 3:30 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Sat May 29, 2021 3:28 pm
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Sat May 29, 2021 3:27 pm Reminder that if hawk is town there's probably a mafia between Sean and alison
Elaboration?
Sean implied a track on hawk (could be a motion detect, idk), if hawk flips green that implicates him or Alison, who claimed redirector iirc
Uhh... no I didn't?

negative on hawk. I'm assuming this means that modified means one shot, but unable to be reloaded and gonna go elsewhere

What even is a modified tracker?

Alison wrote: ↑Mon May 31, 2021 9:15 pm Seanzie red checked Owner the day after a scum flipped. If it was a crazy gambit, it's not one we're catching on D4.

this. Was there any other checks or was it just a one shot, i don't think his role said one shot

Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu Jun 03, 2021 4:29 pm
Made wrote: ↑Thu Jun 03, 2021 4:26 pm
Seanzie wrote: ↑Mon May 31, 2021 10:16 pm List of shot targets for Sloonei:

Seanzie: OC, maybe Guillo
Jay: OC or Made???
Martin:
Guillo: Guillo
Alison: OC>Gnome>Actv
OC: OC???
Bunny: Martin >OC???
Actv: None found.
Allcrab: None found.
Gnome: None found - Read OC as town (perhaps worth noting since OC seems the consensus)
LoMo: OC???
Mac: Guillo???
Made: None found.
Nook: Martin? (perhaps worth noting, Nook said not OC)
Tangy: None found.

@Actvscenei @Allcrab @Garden Gnome @Made @Tangrowth please give a target if you havent.

Others, please correct this list if I got something wrong.

There were a few times I guessed when skimming people's ISO's, so sorry if I am misrepping anyone here.
nvm Found this
This is a list of proposed targets for me to shoot with my desperado shot. It has nothing to do with seanzie’s role.

I just remembered that he had red check, I'm assuming that who he tracked?

Seanzie wrote: ↑Mon May 31, 2021 9:16 pm
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Mon May 31, 2021 9:12 pm Shooting mason claim is a waste of a shot
I'mma put the likelyhood that Guillo is mason at <1%. I stand by my earlier statement though that OC makes more sense as they are in the collective PoE, not just mine.

If Sean tracked guilo and thinks it's unlikely that they're masons what did he see?

Seanzie wrote: ↑Mon May 31, 2021 10:16 pm List of shot targets for Sloonei:

Seanzie: OC, maybe Guillo
Jay: OC or Made???
Martin:
Guillo: Guillo
Alison: OC>Gnome>Actv
OC: OC???
Bunny: Martin >OC???
Actv: None found.
Allcrab: None found.
Gnome: None found - Read OC as town (perhaps worth noting since OC seems the consensus)
LoMo: OC???
Mac: Guillo???
Made: None found.
Nook: Martin? (perhaps worth noting, Nook said not OC)
Tangy: None found.

@Actvscenei @Allcrab @Garden Gnome @Made @Tangrowth please give a target if you havent.

Others, please correct this list if I got something wrong.

There were a few times I guessed when skimming people's ISO's, so sorry if I am misrepping anyone here.

nvm Found this

do we know who seanzie tracked and when?

Sloonei wrote: ↑Wed Jun 02, 2021 5:59 pm
Made wrote: ↑Wed Jun 02, 2021 5:55 pm And to be fair, yesterday I pushed cleared players lmao. The first player I iso'd today way Allcrab, Ur not reading my post sloonei
You asked a question about whether Allcrab was cleared and offered no follow-up.

RE: Martin, I also feel like his reaction to Hawk's roleclaim on Day 3 looked authentic. I do not know whether or not Mafia Martin reacts as strongly as he did there, but my guess is that he does not.

I mean it's probably dishonest to call what i'm doing isoing, I'm kinda just hopping around thread following my nose. I don't know the exact steps that go me from Allcrab to reading Martin's iso, but I probably telegraphed it. The thoughts I'm having are the thoughts i'm saying.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed Jun 02, 2021 5:52 pm Wow look at that. Made and Mac last to claim.

I'll claim mine if you claim yours

Sloonei wrote: ↑Wed Jun 02, 2021 5:46 pm
Made wrote: ↑Wed Jun 02, 2021 5:43 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Wed Jun 02, 2021 5:42 pm
Made wrote: ↑Wed Jun 02, 2021 5:40 pm let's try this one!
[VOTE: Martin] aubergine
Your focus so far today has been almost exclusively spent on Martin. Why is this?
This isn't true, but I'm reading his iso so that's where my heads at. Do you have thoughts on Martin?
Yes, you have already asked me for them and I gave them to you.
Let me rephrase my concern: You came into today as the consensus top suspect. You have begun the day by picking Martin's name as the one you will be ISOing first. You have very quickly and very vehemently (by your standards in this game so far) campaigned for Martin to receive votes. Without looking at anyone else first.

It makes me think you pre-selected Martin as the most viable mischop in the game last night, and now you're trying to push us there.

I mean thoughts outside of what you said re: looking townie for the push on OC. Do you have thoughts on the context of the push now that you know that OC was scum?

And to be fair, yesterday I pushed cleared players lmao. The first player I iso'd today way Allcrab, Ur not reading my post sloonei

Sloonei wrote: ↑Wed Jun 02, 2021 5:42 pm
Made wrote: ↑Wed Jun 02, 2021 5:40 pm let's try this one!
[VOTE: Martin] aubergine
Your focus so far today has been almost exclusively spent on Martin. Why is this?

This isn't true, but I'm reading his iso so that's where my heads at. Do you have thoughts on Martin?

Lomo has low Activity meta right? any Percs have insights on what's the difference between their town play and scum play?

let's try this one!
[VOTE: Martin] aubergine

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Wed Jun 02, 2021 5:32 pm
Made wrote: ↑Wed Jun 02, 2021 5:31 pm
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Tue Jun 01, 2021 1:34 am Eh that's probably a bad read, nvm

Martin still not mafia unless Alison is too tho
What's the relation between Martin and Alison?
Alison is hard townreading him

Any takes on Martin outside of Alison?

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Tue Jun 01, 2021 1:34 am Eh that's probably a bad read, nvm

Martin still not mafia unless Alison is too tho

What's the relation between Martin and Alison?

@Alison Does remembering Nanook do anything for your read of the game state?

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Wed Jun 02, 2021 5:18 pm
Made wrote: ↑Wed Jun 02, 2021 5:17 pm
Alison wrote: ↑Wed Jun 02, 2021 5:13 pm Let's just vote Made to be honest.

Like what even is the mafia team if Made is town? Is it Mac + Guillo? Is it [Mac/Guillo] + Allcrab who ripped off LoMo's watcher result and TMI'd bunny and has been skating by ever since? It is one of those + Martin who has fooled me?

I am not inspired by any of these possibilities. A mafia team with Made in it makes the most sense regardless of anyone else's alignment.
what points do you have in favor of Mac or Guilo or Allcrab or Lomo that makes them mutually incompatible? Is it Jay's analysis. The issue is if there's 2 scum left it's either those or you're getting got sis.
What's your read on Alison herself?

Town on tone, she's dunking on me in wreckless way i don't think i've ever seen her do as scum, but i have seen her do it town

Alison wrote: ↑Wed Jun 02, 2021 5:13 pm Let's just vote Made to be honest.

Like what even is the mafia team if Made is town? Is it Mac + Guillo? Is it [Mac/Guillo] + Allcrab who ripped off LoMo's watcher result and TMI'd bunny and has been skating by ever since? It is one of those + Martin who has fooled me?

I am not inspired by any of these possibilities. A mafia team with Made in it makes the most sense regardless of anyone else's alignment.

what points do you have in favor of Mac or Guilo or Allcrab or Lomo that makes them mutually incompatible? Is it Jay's analysis. The issue is if there's 2 scum left it's either those or you're getting got sis.

MartinGG99 wrote: ↑Wed Jun 02, 2021 5:05 pm
Made wrote: ↑Wed Jun 02, 2021 4:47 pm
MartinGG99 wrote: ↑Mon May 31, 2021 8:09 pm
Seanzie wrote: ↑Mon May 31, 2021 8:05 pm
MartinGG99 wrote: ↑Mon May 31, 2021 8:03 pm
Seanzie wrote: ↑Mon May 31, 2021 7:49 pm
MartinGG99 wrote: ↑Mon May 31, 2021 7:22 pm
[snip]
I agree he has that comfortable-in-thread impulsiveness that is usually associated with town, but idk if you've ever been town when Guillo's been wolf, but he can fake that. He has compared himself to Gavial a few times, and I think that is actually a good comparison, they both are very good at bringing that impulsive posting style into their wolf games.

I'm not fully convinced he is a wolf, but I think the reasons he is being townread by most are exactly what you described, and having been on the losing side of wolf!Guillo multiple times, I don't think it is as AI as many people do. Take away his impulsive posting style, and what do you get?
Honestly removing "impulsive" from the equation and you can't really see much. I mean, to read him without impulsiveness in mind is kinda like not trying to read him at all fmpov.

The only evaluation at that point is the expectation that he has been hunting in reasonable faith. And whether he has been negatively affected during the night. I can't really think of anything else.
Can you elaborate on this? I'm not sure what you're saying here.
I'm not sure if I can elaborate effectively. I'm just pulling this straight from my head.

I mean. It's his style. I don't know how people read things without considering style, and whether doing so would be accurate.

If he's town I would have to take in that they're impulsive. If they're wolf I would have to take in fake impulsivity. In determining either I would have to consider the impulsivity and how that might influence a !town him unless I'm assuming he's a wolf.
this is a weird take from Martin. I feel like if he's scum, being wishy washing, and then going on at length as to the flavor of the wishwash is the best way to add volume without substances on a slot that might need a mislynch later. Ironically, it's overly careful. I also don't think I would ever compare Gav's game to Gulio's game generally. they're just not similar like that.
A few things:

--I think it's inherently going to look "weird" because of this.

--Wishy Washy? What in the world does that even mean in Forum Mafia?

--This isn't directly a take on Gulio. This is a take on what Seanzie asked me in regards to *how* one should read Gulio (shown in red glow); in no way is this going to lead directly to a deletion. I was arguing that he was suggesting to me to ignore Gulio's impulsiveness, and that is problematic because both wolf and town Gulio would use that and thus it would have to be considered even if it were NAI.

--What am I being very careful or overly careful about? What should I be concerned about that's supposedly making me careful here?

weird/sus, same thing, but avoiding hard stances is pro scum. What is your read on Gulio right now?

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Wed Jun 02, 2021 4:58 pm
Made wrote: ↑Wed Jun 02, 2021 4:57 pm
Made wrote: ↑Wed Jun 02, 2021 4:55 pm Also, do we know how many scum are left?
my thought is if there's one, a power move this late in the game makes more sense, if there's 2, less so, which makes martin look a little better in that situation
Probably 2, but I don't know what you mean. What's Martin's power move?

His giant wall on OC. Depending on who holds poison power, it make sense as scum to dunk on your teammate, and ride it into a winning Lx--especially if the writing was on the walls for OC (I don't know how much that was the case cuz I wasn't in thread at the time). Winning L3 or L5 with this play better position rather than L5 on a flimsy raft. @MartinGG99 were you town in Nanook's "bastard" game?

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Wed Jun 02, 2021 4:56 pm
Alison wrote: ↑Wed Jun 02, 2021 4:56 pm Made's posting this day has been incredibly bad.
Yeah he can be chopped.

#cantchopwontchop

keep up friends, this play is bout to be legendary. bout to come off the bench for the game winning shot

Made wrote: ↑Wed Jun 02, 2021 4:55 pm Also, do we know how many scum are left?

my thought is if there's one, a power move this late in the game makes more sense, if there's 2, less so, which makes martin look a little better in that situation

Also, do we know how many scum are left?

MartinGG99 wrote: ↑Mon May 31, 2021 4:46 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Mon May 31, 2021 12:12 pm I want everyone to continue telling me who they think I should shoot.

Remember that I die if I’m wrong, so my target should be the safest; the person most likely to flip mafia. Do not volunteer to be shot yourself. Do not give me your deepwolf tinfoil suspects. I want to know who everybody believes has the highest chance of being on the mafia team.

I will shoot with plenty of time left on the clock for people to adjust their reads and votes accordingly before the deadline.
@Sloonei, I think you should shoot Orange.

Even though they've given out reads without hesitancy; I do feel a slight problem with how it was conducted. It also felt rushed in order to be performative, if you look at the level of simplicity in the notes linked below.

orangecrush wrote: ↑Thu May 27, 2021 4:17 pm hello everyone i actualy only fecognise some of you but i am excited to play here

i have not been able to catch upw tith everything but i have started to

so far i have these people town: Act (though am becoming cautious with him the more i read), Jay, Tangrow, Guil, Dana, Alison (lesser town read)

orangecrush wrote: ↑Thu May 27, 2021 4:19 pm i am scum reading gnome mac and hawk and this stage

im about 25 pages in i think

by the way i can give reasons for any of these people want but i didnt wana go to spam the whole thread with my notes that i hav spent the day making
Linked pictures of their notes: https://ibb.co/276szJS and https://ibb.co/FBb41Wn
Mini-Fun Fact: Apparently in the notes for "556" refers to a post by or mentioning Dana. I can't find it; what I find is a post by Tangrowth (Link: https://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/viewt ... 72#p793072 ). But that's the only mistake I see in there.

It feels like they all have at least 2 notes on each player and that's it. They're trying (or rushing) to "read" everyone without really focusing on a single player. Collectively the notes look okay or good but honestly it's disturbing to me that they're reading the game and looking to take notes on everyone rather than pursuing whatever they find suspicious or concentrating on something. I find it incredibly hard to not see this as potentially fakeable or performative by a wolf.

They also, based on the 2nd picture of their notes, don't have any based on Sonny interactions or reads. They should know that their slot is town, and I would suspect that if they're if trying to read everyone then one of the first places I would look is where I know people would be wrong (i.e. pushing a known town slot). But I haven't seen any evidence of that.

24 hours later, their reads list don't really change all that much, even though their notes would suggest they can change reads on a single post or two:

orangecrush wrote: ↑Fri May 28, 2021 5:28 pm
orangecrush wrote: ↑Fri May 28, 2021 5:25 pm
Seanzie wrote: ↑Fri May 28, 2021 5:02 pm @orangecrush since you're here, would you mind listing out some townreads/scumreads you have as of where you're at right now? Explanations are welcome but not necessary. It will just help give us some content to read you off of.
im town reading Act, Dana, Guil, Tangrowth

town lean for Jay and Martin and Sloonei

scum reading Gnome and Mac

scum lean on Hawk

can elaborate on any you wish just ask
also Seansie i am town reading you i have felt good about our interactions up to now
There's also other problems I have:

orangecrush wrote: ↑Thu May 27, 2021 4:58 pm my scum read on hawk is similar to my read on gnome btw i dont think they have been able to successfully generate genuine content and are leaning on things like flavor and in hawks case picking on obvious jokes trying to shade them

as for macdougal for those that were playing the last game on mafia cafe he is giving me solvis vibes, i was able to get solvis easily because of his annoying approach to the thread which seemed to be an attempt at derailing actual town activity from taking place.
The statement on MacDougal reads as "they're probably town despite their approach so what I'm going to do is back this scum-read up with some past player I've caught who was doing something similar", especially when they make no similar outside references when talking about Gnome or Hawk in the same post. Or in any other post about Gnome or Hawk, really.

orangecrush wrote: ↑Thu May 27, 2021 8:28 pm
Seanzie wrote: ↑Thu May 27, 2021 7:34 pm Oh, so like... probably... Hawk is actually a mafia 1-shot healer, and didn't use their shot yesterday on Alison so they still have it, and thought they might be able to clear themselves by healing LC today, but then if Hawk claimed 1-shot healer, there would have been serious questions about why he still had a shot left, so they had to claim 2-shot.
Just saw this and it actually makes a lot of sense to me in regard to my doubt about the shot discrepancy
This "Hey I agree" serves little to no purpose. If anything it looks a bit of a bad pocket attempt.

orangecrush wrote: ↑Fri May 28, 2021 10:20 am
Guillotine wrote: ↑Fri May 28, 2021 9:45 am @orangecrush do you townread or do you scumread Alison?

if you look at the read klist i posted when i joined you will see that I have alison listed in my town column as a lesser town read, this is still the case. they have made some posts that i agreed with (had the same thoughts as) you can refer to my chart if you need to see which ones, the reason the town read is slightly lesser is that they made one TMI-ish psot which is also referenced in my chart if you go take a look, this one stood out to me. I have definitely been following the more recent discussions about other TMI possibilities in Alisons game so far. however my gut is that they are town just because of our thoughts being very similar and knowing im town i think the thought process for her being similar to my is encouraging
This reeks of self-consciousness. The green-colored area answers the question. The rest of the post goes beyond the original question to make themselves look good, especially the orange-colored area. Not to mention it seems like they were fence-sitting Alison a bit.

orangecrush wrote: ↑Sun May 30, 2021 7:23 pm
Alison wrote: ↑Sun May 30, 2021 7:15 pm
orangecrush wrote: ↑Sun May 30, 2021 5:32 pm Actually self admittedly shit posting is anti town because it disrupts the thread which could be used for good solving discussion and it clogs up the thread with stuffs that we don't need. Like I've already said Gavlis did this in the last hame I played exactly the same and yes he was scum

Fake red checking someone if you are town would be hilariously anti-town so the question is Just how bad are you as town because if the answer is not very then the plausible explanation is anti-town you is not actually town this game.

Any reasonablly good town lplayer doesn't have to fake check someone to get people to vote them too they can get those votes anyway, wouldn't you agree with that?
lets kill this

Sonny's posting plummeted after a bad start to the game by scum and now his replacement is trying to get mac run up for shitposting and faking checks
I can't speak for sunny but I do stand by my reads and am confident in them despite the hawk flip and in my head it makes a lot of sense that such play would be by a scum player, especially after recent games I played. I totally understand voting me though and to be honest I've had a hard time catching up with the game
"I totally understand voting me though" and yet doesn't seem to care about evaluating the votes or positions people have taken on them. This also goes back to my concern they don't care to evaluate people who took stances for or against Sonny (their slot) in order to get a handle of the game.

@Sloonei did this end up influencing your decision to shoot? GTH i see Martin as scum doing what he's framing Gulio of doing, but if he set up the orange shot, that's complicated unless martin thinks he can make it to Fx with this push

Sloonei wrote: ↑Wed Jun 02, 2021 4:46 pm Gavial was a roleblocker.
Sonnycrush was a roleblocker.
Lost monkey claims to be a joat who had a roleblock.

have we had 3 flips of the same role yet?

MartinGG99 wrote: ↑Mon May 31, 2021 8:09 pm
Seanzie wrote: ↑Mon May 31, 2021 8:05 pm
MartinGG99 wrote: ↑Mon May 31, 2021 8:03 pm
Seanzie wrote: ↑Mon May 31, 2021 7:49 pm
MartinGG99 wrote: ↑Mon May 31, 2021 7:22 pm
Guillotine wrote: ↑Mon May 31, 2021 7:13 pm i had town cred before Nutella flipped because i solved,
Idk about anyone else but I never really town-read you for solving other than "you weren't hard-pushing people that I cared about". And when you did do that, it looked like it needed a fake-claim from you.

You've been keeping this sort of innocent or impulsive essence with you since SoD1 which I read as likelier town than not. If you were faking this act I figured you would've slipped at some point.
I agree he has that comfortable-in-thread impulsiveness that is usually associated with town, but idk if you've ever been town when Guillo's been wolf, but he can fake that. He has compared himself to Gavial a few times, and I think that is actually a good comparison, they both are very good at bringing that impulsive posting style into their wolf games.

I'm not fully convinced he is a wolf, but I think the reasons he is being townread by most are exactly what you described, and having been on the losing side of wolf!Guillo multiple times, I don't think it is as AI as many people do. Take away his impulsive posting style, and what do you get?
Honestly removing "impulsive" from the equation and you can't really see much. I mean, to read him without impulsiveness in mind is kinda like not trying to read him at all fmpov.

The only evaluation at that point is the expectation that he has been hunting in reasonable faith. And whether he has been negatively affected during the night. I can't really think of anything else.
Can you elaborate on this? I'm not sure what you're saying here.
I'm not sure if I can elaborate effectively. I'm just pulling this straight from my head.

I mean. It's his style. I don't know how people read things without considering style, and whether doing so would be accurate.

If he's town I would have to take in that they're impulsive. If they're wolf I would have to take in fake impulsivity. In determining either I would have to consider the impulsivity and how that might influence a !town him unless I'm assuming he's a wolf.

this is a weird take from Martin. I feel like if he's scum, being wishy washing, and then going on at length as to the flavor of the wishwash is the best way to add volume without substances on a slot that might need a mislynch later. Ironically, it's overly careful. I also don't think I would ever compare Gav's game to Gulio's game generally. they're just not similar like that.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Wed Jun 02, 2021 4:23 pm I can entertain suspicion of Guillotine too, and I think in a Made-town world Mac/Guillotine is actually a believable pair. But he's not my first guess.

I can work with this

I'm on the case Jay

Sloonei wrote: ↑Wed Jun 02, 2021 4:23 pm
Made wrote: ↑Wed Jun 02, 2021 4:22 pm HI friends, sorry for missing yesterday, i got my start of day/end of days dates twisted. Before I waste my time in iso hell, is Allcrab cleared for any reason? I see they claimed on day 2 and alison didn't buy it, but then they got a red check on owner.
Why do you ask?

cuz you embarresed me yesterday, and I'm trying not to spend all my time in thread reading cleared folk :P

HI friends, sorry for missing yesterday, i got my start of day/end of days dates twisted. Before I waste my time in iso hell, is Allcrab cleared for any reason? I see they claimed on day 2 and alison didn't buy it, but then they got a red check on owner.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Mon May 31, 2021 2:53 am
Made wrote: ↑Mon May 31, 2021 2:40 am
Sloonei wrote: ↑Mon May 31, 2021 2:40 am
Made wrote: ↑Mon May 31, 2021 2:38 am That said, where is your head on Jay's 4 hit 3?
I have no idea what this means.
Jay's PoE
I am not fully up to date on what names are in and out of it, but if I've learned anything over the last 10 years it's that I probably agree with Jay's POE.

This post is perfectly unhelpful.
the list is Act, Gnome, Me, and OC. The 10 years in agreement this time?

MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon May 31, 2021 2:43 am
Made wrote: ↑Mon May 31, 2021 2:42 am
Sloonei wrote: ↑Mon May 31, 2021 2:40 am Should we fill Made in on the details he's missing now?
I would very much enjoy that
don't do it sloo it's a trap

Hi! am I missing something big right now? and If so, how stupid do I look?

Sloonei wrote: ↑Mon May 31, 2021 2:40 am Should we fill Made in on the details he's missing now?

I would very much enjoy that

Sloonei wrote: ↑Mon May 31, 2021 2:40 am
Made wrote: ↑Mon May 31, 2021 2:38 am That said, where is your head on Jay's 4 hit 3?
I have no idea what this means.

Jay's PoE

Sloonei wrote: ↑Mon May 31, 2021 2:22 am @Made what are your thoughts on me, right here and right now on day 4 of this game?

Kinda nullish, as in nothing really pinged me and I'm just noticing that, and I don't like. fwiw I've only really been reading what I've been around for real time, which hasn't been much with you. but I feel like I've read enough post from you where, if you were Jay for example, I'd know how I feel about your slot but reading you this game has felt like I was reading an instruction booklet.

That said, where is your head on Jay's 4 hit 3?

Allcrab wrote: ↑Mon May 31, 2021 2:14 am
Made wrote: ↑Mon May 31, 2021 2:13 am wait wait wait wait wait, is there a reason we're not looking at Tangle???
Belzy desperado shot them and they died.

and that's a good look for her? doesn't that just mean Tangly has some sort of protections?

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Mon May 31, 2021 2:14 am
Made wrote: ↑Mon May 31, 2021 2:13 am wait wait wait wait wait, is there a reason we're not looking at Tangle???
No reason at all. What do you think of Tangle?

I mean she lead the counter wagon against me when owner almost took off. I'm not very well read thread wise, but like that's never townie, right?

wait wait wait wait wait, is there a reason we're not looking at Tangle???

Seanzie wrote: ↑Mon May 31, 2021 2:03 am
Sloonei wrote: ↑Mon May 31, 2021 1:57 am It is a little difficult to reconcile a world where Made is mafia and Day 1 ended the way that it did. Not impossible, but it would not be my first guess. Although I will note that I don't remember Owner making any sort of effort to push him when Day 2 rolled around.
I agree, Made is hard to fit with D1 wagons. The rest of his play is very flat, but he is definitely on the high-end of the PoE IMO just for wagonomic reasons alone.

I have never been described as flat before in my life, and I will not tolerate that kinda character assassination

Sloonei wrote: ↑Mon May 31, 2021 1:54 am
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Mon May 31, 2021 1:48 am
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Mon May 31, 2021 12:58 am Act, Gnome, Made, and OC seem to form my premier suspect tier. Allcrab, bad bunny, lost monkey, and MartinGG99 would have to round out whoever's missing. This doesn't take any third party into consideration.

Are at least three mafia not contained above? I ask whoever cares to ponder.
The reason I ask this question is this:

Allcrab, lost monkey, and Martin all look town to me at face value. If I give Allcrab the nod, then I am generally inclined to do the same bad bunny given Allcrab's view.

If all of the above is correct, I need three mafia within [Act, Gnome, Made, and OC] or something has to be incorrect. It could be that three mafia are in that set if we're very fortuitous. These reads aren't without controversy though, especially if your name is Nanook.
What's the best reason to town read Alison?

Alison seems cocky/"I am a god"y this game, which she was in Stardew Valley where we were hydra partners. Compared to Modern family where her slot was scum and generally was lot tighter to the chest

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Mon May 31, 2021 1:48 am
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Mon May 31, 2021 12:58 am Act, Gnome, Made, and OC seem to form my premier suspect tier. Allcrab, bad bunny, lost monkey, and MartinGG99 would have to round out whoever's missing. This doesn't take any third party into consideration.

Are at least three mafia not contained above? I ask whoever cares to ponder.
The reason I ask this question is this:

Allcrab, lost monkey, and Martin all look town to me at face value. If I give Allcrab the nod, then I am generally inclined to do the same bad bunny given Allcrab's view.

If all of the above is correct, I need three mafia within [Act, Gnome, Made, and OC] or something has to be incorrect. It could be that three mafia are in that set if we're very fortuitous. These reads aren't without controversy though, especially if your name is Nanook.

Okay, so Act, Gnome, OC. Are we dead in the water if they aren't all scum?

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