The Syndicate

DF is the master at posting low, sounding civilian, and providing actual views in the posts he does post.

I can't remember having played with him when he is bad. It would have been many years ago if I have. I don't see much different from his civ meta.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:
Golden wrote:I find JJ's case on DF to be incredibly persuasive.
Based on what?

Actually you know what? I'm not sure it's your case at all. It's the posts you've pulled out. In which case I should look for myself and see what it is you've left out.

I think DF could well be Team Webber. I want to look back and see what he had to say about sig, but he seemed to be much more willing to talk about people who were speculated to be on team 2. His BR vote looks good. Most of the suspicion of LC was that he was on Team Webber, so I think DF could have been in a very good position to see the LC/golden feud as civ/civ (there was a NK attempt on me by mafia 2)... At around that time I had theorised a webber team of LC/sig/TB/G-Man - I tihnk the focus on TB could be very indicative of someone who wanted to keep the focus off the people who actually were on team one and potentially undermine the whole idea at the source.

The G-Man stuff feels particularly disingenuous and like a bus.

I'll read back, but I see a legitimate webber team possibility there.

I find JJ's case on DF to be incredibly persuasive.

Into The Woods – No one is alone. A musical about consequences, responsibility, adulthood, and the human condition, this show may be my favorite Sondheim piece. Into the Woods will break any tie that may exist in a lynch poll. Upon this role’s death, all ties will result in a no-lynch. Into the Woods also may pardon one lynch.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:
Golden wrote:@JJ - read the role cards, one of them (into the woods?) decides. But we think they may be dead.
i can't find them? i see the "character" list in the OP, but nothing about about role mechanics.

lol if that's been somewhere this whole time and i didn't notice

Yeah, the original post. Not all roles are revealed, but some have been (through various polls or actions, we think - they have happened during the course of the game, we don't know precisely why).

Fun fact: I have passed sloonei for most posts in this game. Tomorrow, I will in turn be passed by JJ.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:
Golden wrote:The biggest reason I have for bass being bad?

Team 2 tried to get him lynched (eg BR) and when it hadn't succeeded they tried to NK him. I think they might have known something.
i get the feeling Bass is a pretty easy target on a consistent basis, primarily because of the silly-reasons-for-lynches he leaves everyone with. disengagement, maybe laziness, lack of substantive self-defense. Team 2 tried to lynch him perhaps, but i would assert that numerous players alive and dead have been trying to lynch him in some capacity for a while now.

They tried to lynch him... and then tried to NK him...

Why the persistence?

I'm not saying it's overly persuasive, but even at the time it struck me as oddly persistent.

The biggest reason I have for bass being bad?

Team 2 tried to get him lynched (eg BR) and when it hadn't succeeded they tried to NK him. I think they might have known something.

Epignosis wrote:I already switched my voted to nijuu. I think she's naught nijuu.

Bass gets lynched for really stupid reasons.

Lynch nijuu.

Bass has also won 5 games this year, many bad, by skating by because the only reasons he gives you to lynch him are silly ones.

I would switch my vote to ninja in the case of a tie.

@JJ - read the role cards, one of them (into the woods?) decides. But we think they may be dead.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:I thought the Cobalt votes from the last day were suspect primarily because i thought the general case against Cobalt seemed weak. The case against Bass seems a little better at least, even if it still hinges more on small pings and less on real meat than I'd like. If Bass flips town, that'll be a terrible look for everyone who represents overlap between these two lynches:

Golden
ninja
Marsh
Scotty
nutella

Did you understand my case on Cobalt?

TGG quit because Epi was allowed to sub back in as another role.
TGG had been responsible for killing epi
TGG only quit after epi had said his views had not changed from dying and 'he knew who killed him'
The only epi had suspected on day one who was not proven to NOT be on TGG's team was cobalt
When I asked Cobalt why TGG quit later on (after stating that I felt it was because epi returned) cobalt claimed to believe it was only internet issues, even after having posted in a thread in which TGG was indiciating very strongly that he disagreed with the concept of people subbing back in...

I didn't think it was weak at all. It was one of those things which was very evidential beyond just what happened in this thread, and I felt like I could not have moved on without knowing one way or the other, I would have continued to have a need to resolve it.

I feel much differently about Bass today. The vote really is because I've been in other games, and not because I have a particularly great suspicion.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:Are all of the Bass voters totally resigned to that vote? Or are we going to field a discussion of any other potential moves? The votes just continue to be tacked on to him so safely and it's not a great way to learn anything. hopefully it's a mafia flip.

I'm not committed, I just haven't really had time to devote to think hard in the last while in this game.

The problem with this game was, we had named so many mafia so early, all their teams could really do was let them die and start from scratch. We aren't in a great position.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:my only exposure to Epi prior to this game was Day/Night 1 of economics. it was said then that his volatile methods of casing MP and DDL were typical of him. i would then ask if this version of Epi is "typical", in which he makes a habit of saying nothing at every opportunity?

Yes, it's typical. Regardless of alignment.

Epignosis wrote:
Golden wrote:
Epignosis wrote:
Golden wrote:
Epignosis wrote:I'm voting Golden.

Way to go, fella.
I'm surprised you still chose to vote for me after my response to your case
I didn't read it.
You should.
Does my singular vote bother you?

No, I just think you might get something out of it.

Also, I'd like to know if you think bubbles could be jekyll or not? Do you personally think that is possible?

Epignosis wrote:
Golden wrote:
Epignosis wrote:I'm voting Golden.

Way to go, fella.
I'm surprised you still chose to vote for me after my response to your case
I didn't read it.

You should.

Epignosis wrote:I'm voting Golden.

Way to go, fella.

I'm surprised you still chose to vote for me after my response to your case

I was too busy winning in two elsewheres in 24 hours.

Right, I'll vote for Bass for starters. I have long felt he would be a good fit for team Webber. But then I need to start reading again.

What JJ and MM said. Sorry I've been a bit absent. I need to take some time to actually do some other things but I'll be back here proper before end of day.

Sometimes RL sucks

Scotty's post about epi = my favourite post in mafia ever. Epi playing darts in the dark. It's brilliant

Where is splints? Why has she been so quiet? Add her to my suspect list. Dfaraday too. I need to do some really good examining.

Also, I'd like to hear more from canuck, primarily because she is one of the few people I do trust. And I trust epi too, despite his case on me.

Welcome back scotty! I'm glad you didn't die. Now you know what it is like to be me!

Metalmarsh89 wrote:Hey Golden, what do you think about the fact that it is Day 9 and we are both alive?

I think the curse is well and truly broken. We are currently both in three games together and in all of them it's beyond night 2!!

The big one in your suspicion is something I said AFTER you said we were teammates?

You know what you just did, epi? You played my quotes out of order.

Here is the order they were written and should be read...

Golden wrote:If Cobalt and BR die in the next two days, then it's time for me to start evaluating the other cases like ninja and nutella.

Golden wrote:I like Ninja's defence.

I did evaluate my suspicion of ninja. I came to the conclusion that I do not think she is bad.

Epignosis wrote:What you need to question is how I figured out you and nijuu are teammates.

I really don't need to question how you 'figured out' something that isn't correct.

What I do need to question is 'what team do you think we are on together' - because I am not on either team and I think there is ample evidence in the thread to prove it - evidence I already trotted out once when timmer accused me of being on team BR. Tell me which one, I'll show you why you are wrong. Ninja might well be bad, I'm certainly not. You won't even be able to pin jekyll on me if you lynch me. There won't be any doubt.

Me being bad doesn't check out.

Oh, by the way, you still haven't answered what I really want to know from you.

Do you think bubbles could be jekyll?

Which team am I on with ninja, epi?

I'm not sure that scotty was the singer. He just theorised the singer was dead.

My list of people I'm focussing on today.

Bass
Nutella
Hedgeowl
MM
Neverwhere
TH (aka SVS 2.0)

I also think we have really quite a bit of a problem in that we are running out of active players.

Scotty wrote:Golden, did you learn anything from the past few days?

No, but MM is wrong about jekyll knowingly working with the silencer. The vote for Cobalt was entirely my own. I'm sorry to see he was civ, but from my perspective I needed to get him out of the way because I would have kept coming back to him over and over.

On the other hand, I would like to know epi's view on whether or not jekyll could be bubbles or not.

I now need a new list of suspects, so I need to pledge to be here more than I've managed to be in the last week. For what it's worth, so far:

I like Ninja's defence.
I need to take a close look into bass's interactions with team webber. I think that case has a lot of merit.
I want to know why epi was targetting devin, even though I suspect I already may know the answer. As far as it 'helping his win condition', I just took that of an epi way of saying 'because I think he is mafia', not that epi has some special kind of win condition.

It could even be a rational punctuation fetish!!!!!

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So Cobalt, you think that Bass is on team 2?

Riddle me two things.

First, why did Bonnie and Clyde target bass for a kill? (That's the problematic one, for me).

Second - did BR's view on Bass change after corruption? She went pretty hard after him early on. Honestly, my instinct says that I don't remember BR continuing to go after Bass that hard after night 3, so this one actually might fit in with your case. But it's something worth looking in to.

Scotty wrote:
Metalmarsh89 wrote:I was not insanified. And considering what the roles do, I do doubt that the insanifier would be on the Wildhorn team and the same team as the Silencer. Also, insanifying the obvious lynch target of G-Man the other day would be a waste of time for Mafia 2. Instead, I think the Insanifier is on Mafia 1.

But I do believe the Insanifier and Jekyll and Hide are working in tandem. Would you agree? Any idea? I notice that not only was timmer "supposed" to be silenced, but his vote was "accidentally" place on Epignosis.

Oh, and with BR being the most suspicious player going into today, it makes sense that someone would target her with a redirect.
It would make sense that a civ would redirect the silencing. And since timmer really wasn't talking much leading up into Day 6 (His only post was about him being hungover and that he thought BR was scum), that little bit he did say COULD be BR. Seems benign enough before timmer has a chance to lay his suspicions on her again. It will be interesting come Day 7 whether or not silencing is still around.

"But I do believe the Insanifier and Jekyll and Hide are working in tandem." On the surface it would appear that way, but if you think it's on team Webber, how can they work in tandem if not for coincidence?

Actually, I'm very confident after looking at the history that insanity only works on even days. Cobalt Day 2, GMan Day 4, Me Day 6. I don't think that it's a particularly mafia-aligned ability. I'm still thinking it's an independent role doing it.

If you are right about it only being on even nights, then ?I bet it is Andrew Lloyd Webber. Kills on odd nights, targets someone to be insanified on even nights. Similar to how wildhorn had the corruption ability on odd nights.

"seemer" just means a baddie who 'seems' civilian when lynched. Normally, they would appear to be a random civilian role, but I've never actually hosted a game with a seemer so I don't know how 'random' the role they appear to be actually is.

And I can very much break down that role... later, I have to catch a train now.

Scotty wrote:Also I was insanified, so I guess that answers my question as to whether or not that asshat role is still roaming around.

Good to know.

Actually, the hooded figure in the death post for BR suggests to me that the scene with the hooded figures was, in fact, BR being recruited on night 3.

Which probably means (given the lack of any similar event on night one) that there is only one person corrupted, since those were the only opportunities wildhorn had to do it. Just my thinking. Obviously it's hard to know for sure.

I really don't like the fact that Jekyll & Hyde is a seemer. It's possible that it is even bubbles.

Cobalt wrote:HOW MANY MORE OF MY SCUM READS NEED TO FLIP BAD BEFORE Y'ALL QUIT ACTING LIKE I'M SOME KIND OF CRIMINAL SLIPPING THROUGH THE CRACKS OR SOME SHIT.

Literally eat me. Not the best case scenario but I was still right.

Some of your scum reads on team one, perhaps?

Well played, BR. How ironic that LC should be able to 'corrupt' you. I bet it happened on night one

Thats four baddies down and four to go. I know I've been thinking cobalt, but at this stage I'm definitely ready and willing to read back and start thinking through as many suspects as possible.

@timmer - oh, by the way, I think I can now safely say this. Jekyll and Hyde's ability is one I knew was out there, and it is one which has unfortunately affected me negatively, because I chose not to pursue epi 2.0 to the ends of the earth and get him lynched.

I'm also now fairly confident that epi 2.0 is not bad. TGG quit over his return (would he have done that if epi was his teammate? No, I don't think so) while LC's team set out to get me to go after epi, probably to stop me feuding with LC.

timmer wrote:Have to head out the door, gotta vote quick, should be obvious.

Hey, timmer, you point out my day four vote and then you go doing that????

Now I'm incredibly suspicious of you. At least before I could understand why you were calling out on my day four vote. Now I find out that you probably know exactly what was going on.

I'll give you Cobalt, but if you would prefer someone who isn't already a top candidate, how about Scotty.

Dom wrote:It is now day 7. You have until 10:30PM EST on JULY 7th to lynch someone.

Having said that, Dom said this - so this, and not the poll, is when the poll closes, you might need to check what that is in your time zone. I think Dom said it because he has to make the poll go for 48 hours but he wants to get the timing back on track to a reasonable hour.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:when does this phase end? i see the time at the top of the poll, but i dunno what time zone that refers to.

You can set the entire forum to reflect your time setting in the User Control Panel, and the poll time will move with it.

And also, the random attempt on Bass from Bonnie and Clyde has me thinking of BR too, since she was the one who seemed most convinced he was bad.

eg 'he wouldn't kill epi' and 'he wouldn't stage a fight with cobalt'...

When LC flipped mafia team two is when that clicked into place for me.

I'm changing my vote to BR too - I expect Timmer to say it's a late change to go with the flow. But I feel better staying as far away from ties as possible in this game.

Here is the thing I see on BR, splints.

She did offer opinions on LC... opinions about why he was not on mafia team one.

timmer wrote:And BR, YOU are the easy lynch? ?? Bubbles was easy. Covalt is easy. Not you.

This is absolutely true, and it's why BR has continued to take a back seat for me. The first time she was lynchable was yesterday, and I went for bubbles because there was a reasonable theory for why she could be on either team (so it was useful information to see which way she would have flipped, if bad) whereas I only see BR being on team 2.

S~V~S wrote:I don't think I will be voting for you, Golden. I think people talk about baddies faux NKing themselves more than it ever really happens. Plus I have been BTS with LC quite a bit over the years, and I don't ever recall him setting up fake scenes in the thread. It could be that that has changed, last game I played with him he totally pulled the wool on me, but staged fights does not seem like his thing, or yours either for that matter, but I don't have the experience there as much as I do with LC. Although I must say I am rather curious about why you keep back burnering Ninjabloop.

For the same reason I keep backburning BR. I can only lynch one person per day, and I have to do them in some order or another. There has not been a point in this game since about day 2 where I haven't had a long list of people I already believe are bad and given all of them but one have been correct so far, I haven't felt the need to re-evaluate.

If Cobalt and BR die in the next two days, then it's time for me to start evaluating the other cases like ninja and nutella.

Hey, looks like the hooded figures may have been 'company' not any wildhorn corruption.

timmer wrote:@Golden, while I concede that my thoughts on you are less certain than my thoughts on Black Rock (who essentially just NO U'd me again), a number of your defences are a bit problematic. Yes you survived a kill but you seem content to just state that it was known who tried to kill you and build your defense around that while in fact we have aciv ninja role exposed in the front page and we have seen mafia kills show up on what seem like the wrong nights. So I do not see how you can brush off any chance of you being bad because you survived a kill. Also I have not started that I think you are on one team or another, but both you and Black Rock defend from the stance of Mafia 2. I dont try to s lot people into specific roles I just find what seems scummy.

I won't be cutting for you any time soon, but when Black Rock flips bad I will be studying you quite a bit add a potential teammate. I'm at work now so my posting will be sporadic.

Actually, your case of my voting pattern WAS based on being mafia 2. Unless you think that when I called out TGG before G-Man even subbed in and continued to push that angle, I was doing a complete bus job there as well.

And we know wildhorn kills on even nights, so your theory that someone else killed me would require that wildhorn's kill was blocked AND someone else killed me AND I was saved by the doctor AND wildhorn's kill was not referenced.

And hey, I hadn't looked at the front page for a while, but suddenly a whole lot of roles are revealed :o

Timmer, I honestly cannot believe you actually can still believe it. I'm very surprised you didn't immediately go 'oh, yeah, I see your point'. Because your case on me is literally the most flawed case I have ever seen on me. There is no real feasibility to it whatsoever. Why did you ignore the points I raised about the fact that I was pretty much the first person calling BR out, four days before you were? She was calling me full of shit back then when I was trying to get her lynched.

It's even more flawed than Pilate trying to claim I was teammates with Isaac after I tried to get him lynched for 7 days. But it's pretty much on that level.

Oh, one last thing I just remembered Timmer...

I actually did initially die due to a host error. Do you really think Dom forgets I survived if he knew it was part of a baddie plot? Go back and read that bit of the game.

This is me when I read Timmer's case...

Because I have never in my entire mafia career seen a case that shocked me more than that one. You'd have to completely ignore things like how upset Long Con quite obviously was at me etc... you should read the start of that exchange again and how it escalated. I honestly don't know how you could possibly arrive at that conclusion.

timmer wrote:In short (too late), Golden talks up BR being bad, but too often ends up voting someone else.

Too late????

This is about the fifth post in which I expressed my suspicion of BR, including having voted for her, on DAY TWO

Spoiler: show

Golden wrote:So, I don't have a whole lot of recent games to go on, BR, where you have been civ, so I picked one that I know you were civ in. Roger Rabbit.

On day one, you expressed:

Suspicion of: MM, zombs, aces
An unwillingness to vote/civvie vibes from: rabbit, golden, juliet
Other acknowledgement of: LC, MP

And you even mentioned 'everyone else'.

Look at this post form day one in that game:

Black Rock wrote:I'm really having a hard time with this lynch. Plus my sister calls me like 5 mins ago to talk, I had to tell her I have Mafia to vote in. She thinks I'm a little crazy but got off the phone.

Ok, here's a start of a list.
MM - I feel like he was called out on the self vote and then people came to his rescue. I liked LC's point but wasn't completely sold. MP points out he's done it a lot recently, MM then proves he hasn't. To me that just adds to what LC said and he was a baddie in film that self-voted and could be playing the same safe tactic. Who knows. I'm not likely to vote for him at this point because it looks awfully like a bandwagon, which makes me think he's civ.

Juliets has been a little flip floppy but she still sounds like the charming civ she always does.

Zombie girl does seem a little different in this game and maybe she is struggling with being a baddie. I know I did my first.

I am going to go back and read Goldens case on Aces, I know them both well and maybe I can see something there. The first time I tried to read it my sister called.

I think every one else I have nothing to say about or look civvie. Except for Rabbit who is evil either way.

Stop posting, I'm running out of time here.
And this one from night one:

Black Rock wrote:Ugh! I hate doing this but Rabbit you are making a mountain of a mole hill and painting your own scene. Maybe I just read the thread differently than you but you are putting way too much credit on LC. His original post towards MM was HOURS before the vote was up. It was a singular that he had left alone. Yet you give him all the credit because a bunch of people took it as an easy way out?

MM Voters.

Metalmarsh89 - self voted, caused the suspicion
AceofSpaces - the baddie
juliets - seemed shifty this day period, one to watch
Bass_the_Clever - Came in and took an easy way out quoting LC
nijuukyugou - I can't remember anything about her at this point.
Zomberella12 - Thinks aces is an asset (she's new)
Long Con - The original one to call MM on the self vote, imo the most valid vote here
Canucklehead - The last vote on Aces, one of the more suspect to me at this point.

Voter suspects in general.
MP - Decided to vote off after MM had quite a lead
Rabbit - Decided to stay away from the two top vote getters at an important time when his vote could have mattered
Splints - decided to go after Zomba, with the 11th vote tied her with aces. Possibly trying to give voters another option

My list would be as follows at this moment:
1) MP
2) Bass
3) Rabbit
4) Splints
5)Juliets/Canuck I put these two on the same line because I feel sameish about them.

By no means does Aces turning up baddie make MM civvie by default. I don't suspect him at this point but there is still a possibility for now.

Linki Rabbit: It was not the deciding vote. Even if in your opinion it was. By possible votes after it could have changed. Even you could have changed your mind. Canucks vote is the vote that made it impossible for Aces to be in the lead.
So - don't go saying I'm full of shit that you give content as a civ early in the game.

And I pressed it, and I pressed it. I've asked BR for an answer to this about three or four different times in the game. Never have I got one. And no-one else was ever picking up on the case, you can't lynch someone by yourself. So, I lynched more high profile candidates. When you finally caught up on day SIX...

Spoiler: show

timmer wrote:I've just reread Black Rock, and I'm not liking what I read.

No listed Day 1 vote.

Night 1 posted this:

"I think Golden brought up Hedgeowl and I do what to look more into what he was saying there and where it went from there. I will be looking more seriously at Cobalt and I will read LC. I also want to look an nutella and TH. nutella because some of her earlier day 1 posts seemed too agreeable and TH because."

That's a big Night 1 net to cast. I note not only the number of people she listed, but the wording difference between Cobalt and Long Con. "will read Long Con" vs "looking more seriously at Cobalt". The LC comment feels passive, secondary.

Also night 1: "I have no real suspicion of LC."

And also: "I have some suspicion of Cobalt, he is new to me but he seems to be basing his LC suspicion on a different game and some things he says seem off. I'm watching Bass as well."

So we've got Cobalt, Long Con, Nutella, Turnip Head And Bass, all night 1 to be watched.

Day 2: "I'm voting Bass now. I am certain he is bad."

Also: "When you are asking me about Bass have you taken the time to read his posts. Particularly when he does and doesn't mention LC and the context. If you notice he asks Epig a few questions abput LC on day 0 and doesn't again bring him up until night 1. Then he comes in and gives some vague suspicion about vibes and doesn't follow through on anything. From there it only gets worse. His thoughts are the threads thoughts. He's hiding behind everyone elses ideas. The more I read his posts the more certain I am."

Some minor comments about TH.

So Day 2 there is NO talk about Long Con (except for once indirectly, referring to how Bass mentions him). NO talk about Cobalt. NO talk of Nutella. Mild talk of TH, much of it banter. And then full on CERTAINTY about Bass.

So we went from five names to 2, and really just 1.

I'LL PUT THIS IN CAPS FOR EFFECT. THIS WAS THE DAY COBALT GOT ALL OF THE VOTES AND TRIED TO APPARENTLY LYNCH LONG CON. BR said she would look into them, the Cobalt/Long Con shitstorm a-brewed, and she never mentioned any of it.

Day 3: "Just did a huge catch up. Why is TH so forgettable this game. I can't think of any of his opinions." Starts right into another of her listed suspicions that no one is really on, note that TH is absent from the game clearly already at this point.

Nutella mentions sig looking bad. BR: "I missed that, I didn't read the green text. Switching my vote now." Never mentioned sig before this point, but just jumps right on there.

Later same day when listing her suspicions to Golden: "I have several people on my not so naughty list. I haven't seen a reason to mention them because I don't suspect them. I do however believe Gman should be lynched, as well as Bass. I think Gman should probably go first. I however don't believe LC killed Epignosis. It's not his style. I have been trying to stay out of the whole LC thing though. I want to hear enough out of TH to believe him to be good. (I know you technically didn't want to hear about TH and Bass but I don't want them to think I forgot about them.) I'm not seeing what FZ is seeing in Splints. Not sure what to make of you yet Golden. I always lean civ so I have put you in neutral to be on the safe side. I am a personal reader so these newer guys to me "

Look at how many people she's mentioned in there, but doesn't even bother to mention sig who she just jumped on? Also, that's another defence of LC.

Later: "I don't think LC was in on shenanigans with Cobalt. I read it as genuine frustration on both their parts." Another defence of LC.

BR voted sig. So here we had a day where she jumped on an easy bandwagon without hardly any thought. Supported Long Con. And still talked about the absent TH and Bass and now G-Man who was already clearly imploding.

Day 4: states right away she is voting G-Man. REMEMBER THIS LYNCH WAS BETWEEN LONG CON AND G-MAN.

Spends the day picking little fights with MM and FZ. Still lists Bass as her main suspect.

"MM, mostly I want to lynch Gman and Bass in that order. That will give TH plenty of time to come back and explain his absence and non-involvement." Not really mentioning Long Con at all.

Day 5: easy peasy voted for G-Man. We all did.

Day 6 has begun with BR making a sort of comment about TinyBubbles maybe being suspicious.

I encourage people to read her posts. I strongly believe BR is bad. She's barely mentioned the baddies who were lynched while they were alive except to defend them. Except for G-Man who was too obvious, but even there, he made a nice way to try to defend Long Con.

I believe BR is bad and she will get my vote today, most likely. Sorry for the length of the post.

Then I immediately said this:

Golden wrote:Yeah, you are seeing what I'm seeing on BR timmer, I'm glad someone else sees it.

Because I had been banging on about Black Rock for two real time weeks before anyone else picked up on it.

So before you go saying I'm her teammate, how about you actually read my full post history and think about what has happened in the game, eh, instead of just looking at my vote patterns and picking out a handful of recent quotes - every single one of them, by the way, reiterating my suspicion of BR because I never wanted it to get lost or be forgotten about despite the fact noone else would run with it.

Timmer, so we are back to the theory that I tried to night kill myself and had a protection, that I faked the entire massive argument with Long Con and invented him as G-Man's teamie to make myself look better, only to have him flip as my own teammate, etc...

You have to think I've gone to pretty extreme lengths for that idea to check out.

Not only that, but I have thought BR is bad the ENTIRE GAME since long before you have.

What you have is me having a long baddie list:

sig was on it
G-Man was on it
cobalt was on it
LC was on it
bubbles was on it
BR was on it...

I'm just working my way through them. I can't lynch them all at once, but I absolutely guarantee you I'm on board for a BR lynch, and I do not care if it happens today or if cobalt happens today, as I've been saying for a really long time. There is pretty much no way I am or was ever going to deviate from this list until every one of them was dead - the one diverging point was if cobalt had been right about bubbles being on team one, then I would have thought better about him.

As soon as bubbles made a legacy post, I regretted not voting for BR instead, but votes weren't changeable yesterday, so that is what it is.

So honestly - think that one through, and come back to it, and tell me exactly where I am protecting BR as opposed to just working through my lynch list methodically and being completely consistent about who is on it.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:is there significant evidence against Cobalt, or has he drawn the ire of players primarily because of his abrasive style?

My evidence is this - apologies for it being slightly long winded.

TGG quit the game after epi subbed in for MP. After some time, some thinking, and some reading of posts by TGG in other places, I came to the view that the reason TGG quit was not entirely because of internet issues (as he claimed in the thread). Rather, I thought that at least part of the reason for his quit was because he was in the team that killed epi, and was upset that he had been allowed to sub back in.

This led me to suggest G-Man (TGG's replacement) was on team 1, which when he was lynched proved to be correct.

Epi's first two posts after subbing back in, and just before TGG quit, were to say 'I know who killed me' and 'my suspicions haven't changed'. This led me to believe that epi was killed because he was on to one of mafia team 1 on day one, and TGG was specifically upset because they had killed him to get rid of a threat.

So then the question becomes, who was TGG's teammate that they killed epi to protect? SVS was indy, LC on team 2. If you were to reread epi's posts from day one, something I do suggest you do, I'd be interested to know if you come up with cobalt as I have.

One more thing for SVS and JJ...

Lynch votes have been alternating each day between changeable and non-changeable. It says at the top of the poll each day which one applies.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:hey gang. i'm a real boy now, replacing Bullzeye.

general question for all y'all who care to aid a replacer in need:

what are the most important details of the game so far and the current climate of the game that i must know to adequately grasp what's going on?

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Golden wrote:Yeah, it's definitely been a clear part of Cobalt's style.

I could see myself shifting my vote to Black Rock, but for now I like it on Cobalt.

SVS, let me provide you with a brief synopsis. Bound to miss stuff, because it's just my own perspective but hopefully it helps you.

Mafia one had Sig and G-Man. They also tried and failed to kill Sloonei, and successfully killed epi 1.0 and FZ.

Mafia two had Long Con. They tried to kill me and bass and successfully killed sloonei. They also had a missing (possibly blocked) kill where we don't know the identity of the potential victim or even if a NK was sent in.

G-Man was caught because TGG subbed out after epi was allowed to sub back in. I have raised the question as to whether or not he was upset about epi subbing in because epi was on to one of his teammates, but this hasn't been resolved yet.

The people around currently who seem to have the most people suspicious of them are Cobalt, BR, Ninja and nutella, so they might be good places to form opinions to begin with.

TH didn't particularly have any heat that I can think of, so you probably have a bit of time to catch up.
Thanks, Golden. To your eyes, why was Sloonei so high profile? I am in for the night, and plan to start reading back some. I was going to start with suspects, but perhaps I will start with Sloonei.

Also, the biggest thing is probably the existence of two mafia teams, negating somewhat the likelihood of there being any players in the game who are not actively hunting for mafia to at least some extent.

You've also missed some PMs from the host (probably) that some of us have got that helps with figuring out some roles. For instance, we know that Long Con (wildhorn) had two possible opportunities to 'corrupt' someone before he was lynched. But we don't know what corruption looks like, or if it occurred, for sure.

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