The Syndicate

Seanzie wrote: ↑Tue Nov 29, 2022 8:51 pm I guess Golden is probably more likely mafia WKing me since Marmot actually knows me well enough to have a townread on me.

I dunno what WKing is but it sounds dirty and I’m clean.

S~V~S wrote: ↑Tue Nov 29, 2022 8:49 pm
lucy wrote: ↑Tue Nov 29, 2022 8:37 pm
S~V~S wrote: ↑Tue Nov 29, 2022 8:30 pm o you think this is a thing that should be taken into account regarding suspicions?
do you believe it explains my hyper fixation? or anything else about me? if yes then you should adjust your mental model of me, which therefore changes your read, but don't entirely drop read on me, simply see my actions from a different mindset that only you can create of mine. until then all I can do is talk more about the game which gives you more information in building a thought process that I follow
Are you actually falling back on that? Do you do that every game? I doubt it.

The only reason I reminded Golden was that he was trying to guilt me out over suspecting you, and I was fairly sure why. You think that's why I shouldn't suspect you? You think we should be able to do things that people find suspicious and fall back on this? I am disappoint.

I am leaving my vote where it is. I will not vote for you again unless it is a group consensus, or question you, for that matter.

Have a good evening

I wasn’t asking to do anything to you svs.

lucy wrote: ↑Tue Nov 29, 2022 8:48 pm
Golden wrote: ↑Tue Nov 29, 2022 8:46 pm
lucy wrote: ↑Tue Nov 29, 2022 8:45 pm
Golden wrote: ↑Tue Nov 29, 2022 8:42 pm Beas first post was high-effort, don’t think she’s a good counterwagon.
that's funny because I mafia read that post
Do you know bea?
I do not

The post isn’t AI in my view. But it is high-effort, I can see the amount of bea-energy that went into it. I’d not be willing to counterwagon her on ‘low poster’ basis.

Seanzie wrote: ↑Tue Nov 29, 2022 8:46 pm
Golden wrote: ↑Tue Nov 29, 2022 8:45 pm
Marmot wrote: ↑Tue Nov 29, 2022 8:42 pm I feel very distracted

I don't want to kill sean. Him chilling on the sidelines while his wagon chills at 5 votes seems kinda townie for him imo.

Why? I don't know. Gut feeling I guess. I also do think of Sean as an active lurker in games, as in he's kinda always there and ready to respond to something that catches his eye, and that seems to be existing here.
I really do think sean is a bad vote and we’re walking into entropy.

Even an anti-spew theory doesn’t align with unvoting, for me. That feels more like he reached a sabi townread.
I don't townread Sabi, I just no longer really felt like they are a wolf.

I will vote to save your arse if we can agree on a counterwagon.

lucy wrote: ↑Tue Nov 29, 2022 8:45 pm
Golden wrote: ↑Tue Nov 29, 2022 8:42 pm Beas first post was high-effort, don’t think she’s a good counterwagon.
that's funny because I mafia read that post

Do you know bea?

Marmot wrote: ↑Tue Nov 29, 2022 8:42 pm I feel very distracted

I don't want to kill sean. Him chilling on the sidelines while his wagon chills at 5 votes seems kinda townie for him imo.

Why? I don't know. Gut feeling I guess. I also do think of Sean as an active lurker in games, as in he's kinda always there and ready to respond to something that catches his eye, and that seems to be existing here.

I really do think sean is a bad vote and we’re walking into entropy.

Even an anti-spew theory doesn’t align with unvoting, for me. That feels more like he reached a sabi townread.

lucy wrote: ↑Tue Nov 29, 2022 8:41 pm bea/sonej/fingersplits are good counterwagons, 1-2 posters

Beas first post was high-effort, don’t think she’s a good counterwagon.

Fingersplints complete absence is unusual.

Sabiplz wrote: ↑Tue Nov 29, 2022 8:38 pm Anti spew time

You talking about Sean?

Sabiplz wrote: ↑Tue Nov 29, 2022 8:31 pm Also neuro divergent lol

Look, it’s a club!

I just need a better choice than Sean as a counter

Sabiplz wrote: ↑Tue Nov 29, 2022 8:33 pm @Golden I self meta because everyone who played with me will tell you my rep is I tunnel regardless. When I was mafia tunneled on the same town player for most of the game till I got him miselim and no one bath an lash because that is what I do as town and wasn't out of the norm.

I didn’t ask that question, I think it was svs. I’m cool with self-meta, I don’t necessarily 100% trust it but I think it has value.

S~V~S wrote: ↑Tue Nov 29, 2022 8:30 pm
lucy wrote: ↑Tue Nov 29, 2022 8:27 pm
Golden wrote: ↑Tue Nov 29, 2022 8:24 pmMe too.
*hugs*

you too Marmot

and if I were older I'd definitely have been hit with an Aspergers diagnosis, I've been hit with an autism test when I was 4 and 17, dunno what happened while I was 4 but I got put into special ed until I wiggled out and took 12-14 AP's in hs

I was an adult, it explained a lot about my youth.

Do you think this is a thing that should be taken into account regarding suspicions?

Also, again, if not you who should I vote for?

Amazing how much it makes sense of eh!

For me, I spend so much of my mafia time machining what’s in a persons brain that made them decide to post a thing that it’s helpful in understanding that ie I might make different assumptions about the intent/meaning of a post.

Marmot wrote: ↑Tue Nov 29, 2022 8:26 pm
Golden wrote: ↑Tue Nov 29, 2022 8:22 pm
Marmot wrote: ↑Tue Nov 29, 2022 8:09 pm The amount of posts was also noteworthy to me, given your play in Game 1 of Anniversary and your status as the post count leader in that game.
Pingy ping pingy ping ping

I cannot imagine anyone who knows me even slightly would think ‘you know what? Civ golden is quieter than this. Must be mafia golden based on the last game.’
I actually thought that somewhere there was discussion about this after the game, and I thought that discussion suggested that w!Golden likes control the thread and post a lot, but I'm having trouble finding that statement anywhere.

I did find a statement (from you, so I'll take it with a grain of salt), that suggested that you post far more fluff as town, so my suspicion has waned.

I'm still wary of you in the event that Sean flips wolf, but I don't currently find you that suspicious.

Also, it's been so long since I've played with you that I don't really remember your playstyle that well (I only remember distinct moments like G-Man calling you a coward).

You know how hard it is to pick up only one grain of salt?

It probably completely changes the way I read you now from how I used to, SVS.

S~V~S wrote: ↑Tue Nov 29, 2022 8:23 pm
lucy wrote: ↑Tue Nov 29, 2022 8:20 pm
Golden wrote: ↑Tue Nov 29, 2022 8:19 pm
lucy wrote: ↑Tue Nov 29, 2022 7:58 pm
Dennis wrote: ↑Tue Nov 29, 2022 7:55 pm
lucy wrote: ↑Tue Nov 29, 2022 7:53 pm
S~V~S wrote: ↑Tue Nov 29, 2022 8:20 am I am keeping my vote on Lucy for now, I see no town reason for actively trying to limit the suspicion pool to three people
this is shallow analysis, do you think I was ever limiting my sus pool to 3 people?
I got that feeling when you focused on me/Kate/Jack too. You said something about wanting to understand our situation but it gave me the impression you were ignoring everything else.
oh, I just come off like that, usually people aren't really aware that i'm not constantly hyperfocused on one thing at a time (also this is disputed by my mom and brother lol)
Hey Lucy, feel free to ignore this question if it’s too personal. It’s helpful for me.

You neurodiverse?
bingo
I am as well; the syndrome formerly known as Aspergers. Now stop trying to make me feel like a bad person, Golden.

Oh yes I forgot you were too! This is really quite a new revelation for me, I’ve learned a lot in the last few years on that front.

lucy wrote: ↑Tue Nov 29, 2022 8:20 pm
Golden wrote: ↑Tue Nov 29, 2022 8:19 pm
lucy wrote: ↑Tue Nov 29, 2022 7:58 pm
Dennis wrote: ↑Tue Nov 29, 2022 7:55 pm
lucy wrote: ↑Tue Nov 29, 2022 7:53 pm
S~V~S wrote: ↑Tue Nov 29, 2022 8:20 am I am keeping my vote on Lucy for now, I see no town reason for actively trying to limit the suspicion pool to three people
this is shallow analysis, do you think I was ever limiting my sus pool to 3 people?
I got that feeling when you focused on me/Kate/Jack too. You said something about wanting to understand our situation but it gave me the impression you were ignoring everything else.
oh, I just come off like that, usually people aren't really aware that i'm not constantly hyperfocused on one thing at a time (also this is disputed by my mom and brother lol)
Hey Lucy, feel free to ignore this question if it’s too personal. It’s helpful for me.

You neurodiverse?
bingo

It’s not out of the question that this is why I town read you.

Me too.

Marmot wrote: ↑Tue Nov 29, 2022 8:09 pm The amount of posts was also noteworthy to me, given your play in Game 1 of Anniversary and your status as the post count leader in that game.

Pingy ping pingy ping ping

I cannot imagine anyone who knows me even slightly would think ‘you know what? Civ golden is quieter than this. Must be mafia golden based on the last game.’

lucy wrote: ↑Tue Nov 29, 2022 7:58 pm
Dennis wrote: ↑Tue Nov 29, 2022 7:55 pm
lucy wrote: ↑Tue Nov 29, 2022 7:53 pm
S~V~S wrote: ↑Tue Nov 29, 2022 8:20 am I am keeping my vote on Lucy for now, I see no town reason for actively trying to limit the suspicion pool to three people
this is shallow analysis, do you think I was ever limiting my sus pool to 3 people?
I got that feeling when you focused on me/Kate/Jack too. You said something about wanting to understand our situation but it gave me the impression you were ignoring everything else.
oh, I just come off like that, usually people aren't really aware that i'm not constantly hyperfocused on one thing at a time (also this is disputed by my mom and brother lol)

Hey Lucy, feel free to ignore this question if it’s too personal. It’s helpful for me.

You neurodiverse?

Marmot wrote: ↑Tue Nov 29, 2022 7:58 pm
Golden wrote: ↑Tue Nov 29, 2022 2:13 pm I'm quite happy with my vote for marmot right now. The way he reacted to it is not in keeping with what I'd expect from town marmot.
What would you expect from town Marmot?

He’d call me the cutest mafia.

Seanzie wrote: ↑Tue Nov 29, 2022 7:43 pm Ehhh... [VOTE: unvote] aubergine

Seanzie just took this from 5-3 on him to 5-2 on him.

I’m this is wolfing I’ll bite my hat.

Sabiplz wrote: ↑Tue Nov 29, 2022 7:29 pm The votes on me are bad and might be attempt to save Seanzie.

Whatever I should be d1ed because playing mafia is a distraction at work

Might be? I literally said ‘I think sabi is a better vote than Sean’. I am outright putting my hand up that my vote is partly about not eliminating someone I think is town.

I don't really know sabi yet. Would be keen on meta reads about whether being so firm/tunnelly on day one is AI for her.

I'm not convinced sabi is bad but I think it's better odds than Seanzie at this point.

[VOTE: sabiplz] aubergine

Sabiplz wrote: ↑Tue Nov 29, 2022 6:43 pm
Golden wrote: ↑Tue Nov 29, 2022 5:44 pm The most pingworthy thing sabi has said on day one is that she thinks Wild Dennis should have a take on her on day one when they haven’t met before.
How was it pingy? Dennis hasn't played or met anyone except family members. He had a read on marmot but not me and atp in the game marmot barely had content.

So explain

I don't think that you think that "Dennis has a read on marmot" = "Therefore Dennis should have a read on me too".

I also think I have 'endearingly rational' and 'endearingly irrational' modes. It's like four way volleyball in here.

Dennis wrote: ↑Tue Nov 29, 2022 5:43 pm
Golden wrote: ↑Tue Nov 29, 2022 5:42 pm
S~V~S wrote: ↑Tue Nov 29, 2022 5:41 pm Golden you’re being irritatingly rational.

Leaving work bbl about 90 minutes xox thread
I’ll return to irritatingly irrational soon
Does it come in like, waves? Because you've been back and forth a lot.

New meta baby. But to be honest it’s just me being me. You don’t wanna be in my brain.

The most pingworthy thing sabi has said on day one is that she thinks Wild Dennis should have a take on her on day one when they haven’t met before.

S~V~S wrote: ↑Tue Nov 29, 2022 5:41 pm Golden you’re being irritatingly rational.

Leaving work bbl about 90 minutes xox thread

I’ll return to irritatingly irrational soon

Sabiplz wrote: ↑Tue Nov 29, 2022 5:32 pm
Dennis wrote: ↑Tue Nov 29, 2022 5:29 pm [VOTE: Sabi] aubergine

Definitely not a certain vote and I'm suspicious on a few others, but Sabi has been all over the place with, in my opinion, weak arguments. Planting my vote here for now.
Explain?

I have been consistently on Seanzie this whole game? Where have I jumped around?

I know. Seanzie and he does not match his meta or how he plays as town.

He tunnels me every game and this game its an empty shell of his usual tunnel. Like he's phoning it in.

Do better kiddo

Let’s say Seanzie could townclear. Maybe he declares himself town cop, or you can imagine a different scenario where he could. Right now the likely pathway is by being elimmed.

How does your perspective of the game shift if you know Sean is town?

Kate wrote: ↑Tue Nov 29, 2022 5:28 pm
Golden wrote: ↑Tue Nov 29, 2022 5:08 pm Also I’m judging Dennis and jack through the lens of being Kate’s twins and that sucks for them and it’s completely unfair but bad luck!
Ironic, prior to today, being Kate's twins has been nothing but a privilege and an honor.

Scotty wrote: ↑Tue Nov 29, 2022 5:24 pm
lucy wrote: ↑Tue Nov 29, 2022 5:17 pm [VOTE: Scotty] aubergine

just seeing how this feels
try eating a spoonful of cinnamon instead, you’ll get the same result

I like chewing on cinnamon sticks

lucy wrote: ↑Tue Nov 29, 2022 5:20 pm @Golden why do you townread me, I've done nothing

That is a very existential perspective. Posting is doing something.

lucy wrote: ↑Tue Nov 29, 2022 5:17 pm [VOTE: Scotty] aubergine

just seeing how this feels

How did it feel?

Also I’m judging Dennis and jack through the lens of being Kate’s twins and that sucks for them and it’s completely unfair but bad luck!

Sabiplz wrote: ↑Tue Nov 29, 2022 4:57 pm
Golden wrote: ↑Tue Nov 29, 2022 4:54 pm You're trying harder than Jack is, Dennis.

That's not inherently a bad thing. But I think rolling mafia in your first game would make you more likely to try harder than Jack currently is.
I disagree that it purely has to do with a mafia rand tbh

I didn’t say purely

Plus Kate is the best

Dennis wrote: ↑Tue Nov 29, 2022 4:58 pm
Golden wrote: ↑Tue Nov 29, 2022 4:54 pm You're trying harder than Jack is, Dennis.

That's not inherently a bad thing. But I think rolling mafia in your first game would make you more likely to try harder than Jack currently is.
Thank you.

I can see why, but being 100% honest, I'm just trying to interact a lot, get a feel for how this works, what to look for, etc. Jack is... not so interested in the game, and that's why he isn't posting so often. I also love thinking games so I just naturally wanna be involved.

Like I say, it’s comparative rankings not ‘I think you’re bad’

And I rate Kate highest because I am better equipped to get a read on an old friend.

Dennis wrote: ↑Tue Nov 29, 2022 4:54 pm
Kate wrote: ↑Tue Nov 29, 2022 4:48 pm
Dennis wrote: ↑Tue Nov 29, 2022 4:44 pm
Kate wrote: ↑Tue Nov 29, 2022 4:13 pm @Golden what way are y9u leaning on me and the two spawn?
PSA: Please refrain from ever calling me 'spawn' again.
Ok, spawn.
Please, I beg of you.

Seems like Wild Dennis is ok

You're trying harder than Jack is, Dennis.

That's not inherently a bad thing. But I think rolling mafia in your first game would make you more likely to try harder than Jack currently is.

S~V~S wrote: ↑Tue Nov 29, 2022 4:28 pm It didn’t feel like she was just trying to get a read, it was bordering on … I don’t know how to put it, but it didn’t feel like friendly interest. And I understand frustration. But I’ll think about this.

And you know baddies can be frustrated, too.

Yes, I do know. Like me with DH in the last game. I'm not saying 'it makes lucy the superest town who ever towned'. I just don't think Lucy is a good vote today, I think it's making too much of a mountain of something that I think is a molehill.

Dennis wrote: ↑Tue Nov 29, 2022 4:45 pm
Golden wrote: ↑Tue Nov 29, 2022 4:16 pm
Kate wrote: ↑Tue Nov 29, 2022 4:13 pm @Golden what way are y9u leaning on me and the two spawn?
Most likely town to least likely town

Kate
Jack
Dennis

But none of those reads are particularly strong yet. I'll be interested to see whether today's outcome gives insight.
Can you elaborate? Specifically on why you think Jack is more town than me.

Vibes

S~V~S wrote: ↑Tue Nov 29, 2022 4:18 pm
Golden wrote: ↑Tue Nov 29, 2022 4:11 pm
S~V~S wrote: ↑Tue Nov 29, 2022 4:06 pm I can’t find a good civ reason for that focus on Lucy’s part, and her constant attempts to bring discussion back to a non thread related coincidence.
As we've previously discussed, I don't agree with your take on Lucy in the thread.

And I think even if you do think she had inordinate focus on those three people, this framing of it is over-egging it substantially. Lucy did not make 'constant attempts to bring discussion back to a non thread related coincidence'.
Hard disagree. Once she realized these were teenagers, and the kids of another player, pretty much every one of her posts were about them.

But you didn’t tell me why your town read is so strong. What are you seeing that I’m not?

It's not strong. I don't really have any strong reads yet. I said it's 'one of my few town reads' because most people are more in a midzone for me. I think her frustration with you was quite legitimate, and the way she endeavoured to engage with you but ultimately left feeling frustrated and like you wouldn't hear her side of the story came across as town, to me.

The sentence I've highlighted in green contains the answer to itself, in my opinion. Lucy, a teenager, wanting to get a read on the other teenagers in the thread? 100% in line with what I'd expect to see.

Also all three of you are in 'town range' for me... Dennis is just more 'autumn grass' than 'broccoli'

Kate wrote: ↑Tue Nov 29, 2022 4:13 pm @Golden what way are y9u leaning on me and the two spawn?

Most likely town to least likely town

Kate
Jack
Dennis

But none of those reads are particularly strong yet. I'll be interested to see whether today's outcome gives insight.

S~V~S wrote: ↑Tue Nov 29, 2022 4:06 pm I can’t find a good civ reason for that focus on Lucy’s part, and her constant attempts to bring discussion back to a non thread related coincidence.

As we've previously discussed, I don't agree with your take on Lucy in the thread.

And I think even if you do think she had inordinate focus on those three people, this framing of it is over-egging it substantially. Lucy did not make 'constant attempts to bring discussion back to a non thread related coincidence'.

I don't think Sean is right about SVS. Even if SVS is bad I don't think Sean's reason for why is right. I just get it on a deep level. Perhaps it's the vibing of someone who has spent many games tunnelling SVS for not getting her vibe/playstyle.

Kate wrote: ↑Tue Nov 29, 2022 3:33 pm
Golden wrote: ↑Tue Nov 29, 2022 3:30 pm Could be wrong, but Lucy and Sean are two of my very few town reads and I don't like the way this vote is shaping up for now.
I don't have any reason to suspect Lucy, but not so crazy about Sean's play on day 1. We just posted 2 very different interpretations of that Sean v svs dayonegate. Any thoughts on my post?

I agree that Sean's logic was hard to follow. Part of why I think it's not mafia, that's an awfully convoluted fake suspicion. I took some time trying to follow it, and once I followed it, I understood it on a gut level.

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Tue Nov 29, 2022 3:32 pm Hehehehehe

[VOTE: Seanzie] aubergine

I am cry laughing at this post.

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