Lawyers, Guns and Money- [TOWN WINS!]

[Matahari]

ebwop to my list post- Golden's posts starting at 480 to 486, felt like classic Town Golden to me. I respect whenever a player decides to change their meta, Idk if that sounds right, I still say playstyle. But I needed to see that flash of Old Golden to feel the town coming through.

I looked up Soneji, They only made 2 posts, so they go in with the group of players I wish to hear something from.

[Golden]

And at the time, there were 2 votes on you? Golden and scotty?

Yes, 2 votes and a few others casting suspicion. Wolves take lazy cheapshots in those situations. SVS fits that archetype perfectly.

Would you have thought svs more or less wolfy if she had voted for you at the same time?

I don't know. It would've depended on how they voted.

Sean's approach to SVS gives me town vibes.

[Golden]

Golden seems inordinately concerned w/ my sus on their slot...noted

Yup that's definitely it.

[Golden]

I'm quite happy with my vote for marmot right now. The way he reacted to it is not in keeping with what I'd expect from town marmot.

[falcon45ca]

Sabi's a wolf.

SVS isn't.

Scotty still like 69% wolf.

Talk to me about Sabi

This:

Checking in before work

This is the weirdest and quietest D1 ever esp for 18er

is a wolf.

Yeah, I didn't like that either...I'm never a fan of "oh jeepers, this game blahblahblah" kinda stuff


I'm more curious if you have a specific Sabi reason, not something that would apply to any player posting like that

[falcon45ca]

I'm quite happy with my vote for marmot right now. The way he reacted to it is not in keeping with what I'd expect from town marmot.

How would you expect Town Marmot to react? How does that contrast with the way he has reacted?

[falcon45ca]

Checking in, shaking off the rust.

How's the rust? Have you tried CLR?

[Golden]

I'm quite happy with my vote for marmot right now. The way he reacted to it is not in keeping with what I'd expect from town marmot.

How would you expect Town Marmot to react? How does that contrast with the way he has reacted?

Not particularly react to me having voted for him... especially before finding the vote itself/reading the thread.
Certainly not with a post that says 'golden has posted 75 times and his vote is on someone who hasn't posted yet'.

He was inordinately concerned about making me look bad for what was (know to him or not) a joke vote that he would ordinarily make himself.

[Golden]

I think perhaps the most interesting thing is that when he got to my vote and saw it was essentially a joke vote he joined in on the joke and self-voted, but it hasn't changed his relative stiffness around me. I perceive a missing lightness.

[robyn]

i’ll do some iso’s and make a readslist + further analysis after school

[robyn]

sorry for leaving for the night

[Golden]

sorry for leaving for the night

Burnout is a real thing. Part of why I’m changing my meta.

[Golden]

I don’t think a vote for Lucy is the way to go today.

[Sabiplz]

I really hate Seanzie reaction and push on me because

1) he's familar enough with me

2) he knows I'm used to more active games

3) I don't think he actually believes his push on me.

[Sabiplz]

Sabi's a wolf.

SVS isn't.

Scotty still like 69% wolf.

Talk to me about Sabi

This:

Checking in before work

This is the weirdest and quietest D1 ever esp for 18er

is a wolf.

Yeah, I didn't like that either...I'm never a fan of "oh jeepers, this game blahblahblah" kinda stuff


I'm more curious if you have a specific Sabi reason, not something that would apply to any player posting like that

@falcon45a did I not do the same thing during Anni g2 for D1?

Is this behavior normal or abnormal for me?

[Sabiplz]

Ugh I'm going back to work. I finished up orientation

[Seanzie]

And at the time, there were 2 votes on you? Golden and scotty?

Yes, 2 votes and a few others casting suspicion. Wolves take lazy cheapshots in those situations. SVS fits that archetype perfectly.

Would you have thought svs more or less wolfy if she had voted for you at the same time?

I don't know. It would've depended on how they voted.

Sean's approach to SVS gives me town vibes.

Explain.

[Seanzie]

Sabi's a wolf.

SVS isn't.

Scotty still like 69% wolf.

Talk to me about Sabi

This:

Checking in before work

This is the weirdest and quietest D1 ever esp for 18er

is a wolf.

Yeah, I didn't like that either...I'm never a fan of "oh jeepers, this game blahblahblah" kinda stuff


I'm more curious if you have a specific Sabi reason, not something that would apply to any player posting like that

No.

[Seanzie]

I really hate Seanzie reaction and push on me because

1) he's familar enough with me

2) he knows I'm used to more active games

3) I don't think he actually believes his push on me.

Do you think my push on you makes me a wolf?

[Sabiplz]

I really hate Seanzie reaction and push on me because

1) he's familar enough with me

2) he knows I'm used to more active games

3) I don't think he actually believes his push on me.

Do you think my push on you makes me a wolf?

Yes because town Sean would not be this limp and half ass with his push on me.

[Kate]

And at the time, there were 2 votes on you? Golden and scotty?

Yes, 2 votes and a few others casting suspicion. Wolves take lazy cheapshots in those situations. SVS fits that archetype perfectly.

Would you have thought svs more or less wolfy if she had voted for you at the same time?

I don't know. It would've depended on how they voted.

Sean's approach to SVS gives me town vibes.

Explain.

I think the Sean v svs issue was somewhat of a misunderstanding. Do you two play together often or ever? I understood svs's side of it (that is why didn't specifically ask you svs) but I've known her forever and a day at this point and I more-or-less less speak her language. I follow the logic of her argument, and not so much Sean's. That's not to say I think he is definitely lying. But that either he doesn't understand her particular playstyle OR he os fabricating his defense and then fabricating an offense against her. I definitely do not buy that she'd use a stereotypical baddie archetype on day 1.

My eye is more on Sean from this exchange. Not to mention the (unexplained? I'd have to go back and look) sudden switcheroo to svs is town? And why Sabi, is that just tunneling like you said you'd do when the game started. Yea, I think I just semi convinced myself.

None of this when looked at as a complete picture screams town to me. I'm putting my vote here, at least for now.

[VOTE: Seanzie] aubergine

[Golden]

And at the time, there were 2 votes on you? Golden and scotty?

Yes, 2 votes and a few others casting suspicion. Wolves take lazy cheapshots in those situations. SVS fits that archetype perfectly.

Would you have thought svs more or less wolfy if she had voted for you at the same time?

I don't know. It would've depended on how they voted.

Sean's approach to SVS gives me town vibes.

Explain.

Your explanation for why SVS fits as mafia is something I feel like you only say if you believe it... it's a tightrope to accuse someone of trying to elim you, when they literally voted for someone who was voting for you BECAUSE of their vote for you. It took me several passes to actually understand your point, because it was convoluted. But when I understood it, I saw the core 'gut' feels of 'I think SVS doesn't care whether I'm elimmed' and I got it. And I liked your follow up answer too.

[Kate]

I really hate Seanzie reaction and push on me because

1) he's familar enough with me

2) he knows I'm used to more active games

3) I don't think he actually believes his push on me.

Anyone out there who knows these 2 players better than I do who can weigh in on Sabi's statements?

[Golden]

Also I do like it when someone asks me to explain a town read on them lol. I'm not sure an under pressure mafia asks me to explain why I town read them.

[Golden]

Could be wrong, but Lucy and Sean are two of my very few town reads and I don't like the way this vote is shaping up for now.

[DrWilgy]

Hehehehehe

[VOTE: Seanzie] aubergine

[Kate]

Could be wrong, but Lucy and Sean are two of my very few town reads and I don't like the way this vote is shaping up for now.

I don't have any reason to suspect Lucy, but not so crazy about Sean's play on day 1. We just posted 2 very different interpretations of that Sean v svs dayonegate. Any thoughts on my post?

[Golden]

Hehehehehe

[VOTE: Seanzie] aubergine

I am cry laughing at this post.

[Kate]

Hehehehehe

[VOTE: Seanzie] aubergine

Are we laughing in place of licking this game? You continue to be an enigma, Doctor Wilgy.

[Kate]

Hehehehehe

[VOTE: Seanzie] aubergine

I am cry laughing at this post.

Me too, and I'm not even sure why.

[Golden]

Could be wrong, but Lucy and Sean are two of my very few town reads and I don't like the way this vote is shaping up for now.

I don't have any reason to suspect Lucy, but not so crazy about Sean's play on day 1. We just posted 2 very different interpretations of that Sean v svs dayonegate. Any thoughts on my post?

I agree that Sean's logic was hard to follow. Part of why I think it's not mafia, that's an awfully convoluted fake suspicion. I took some time trying to follow it, and once I followed it, I understood it on a gut level.

[Golden]

I don't think Sean is right about SVS. Even if SVS is bad I don't think Sean's reason for why is right. I just get it on a deep level. Perhaps it's the vibing of someone who has spent many games tunnelling SVS for not getting her vibe/playstyle.

[Kate]

Could be wrong, but Lucy and Sean are two of my very few town reads and I don't like the way this vote is shaping up for now.

I don't have any reason to suspect Lucy, but not so crazy about Sean's play on day 1. We just posted 2 very different interpretations of that Sean v svs dayonegate. Any thoughts on my post?

I agree that Sean's logic was hard to follow. Part of why I think it's not mafia, that's an awfully convoluted fake suspicion. I took some time trying to follow it, and once I followed it, I understood it on a gut level.

I understand it now, on an intellectual level...not gut. My gut feels the opposite. I'm not sure the actual suspicion was all that convoluted, just the explanation of it was.

[falcon45ca]

Sabi's a wolf.

SVS isn't.

Scotty still like 69% wolf.

Talk to me about Sabi

This:

Checking in before work

This is the weirdest and quietest D1 ever esp for 18er

is a wolf.

Yeah, I didn't like that either...I'm never a fan of "oh jeepers, this game blahblahblah" kinda stuff


I'm more curious if you have a specific Sabi reason, not something that would apply to any player posting like that

@falcon45a did I not do the same thing during Anni g2 for D1?

Is this behavior normal or abnormal for me?

Yes you did, and that's why I'm curious if he has a read that's more specific to your playstyle

[falcon45ca]

[VOTE: soneji] aubergine

[jack shepherd]

And at the time, there were 2 votes on you? Golden and scotty?

Yes, 2 votes and a few others casting suspicion. Wolves take lazy cheapshots in those situations. SVS fits that archetype perfectly.

Would you have thought svs more or less wolfy if she had voted for you at the same time?

I don't know. It would've depended on how they voted.

Sean's approach to SVS gives me town vibes.

Explain.

I think the Sean v svs issue was somewhat of a misunderstanding. Do you two play together often or ever? I understood svs's side of it (that is why didn't specifically ask you svs) but I've known her forever and a day at this point and I more-or-less less speak her language. I follow the logic of her argument, and not so much Sean's. That's not to say I think he is definitely lying. But that either he doesn't understand her particular playstyle OR he os fabricating his defense and then fabricating an offense against her. I definitely do not buy that she'd use a stereotypical baddie archetype on day 1.

My eye is more on Sean from this exchange. Not to mention the (unexplained? I'd have to go back and look) sudden switcheroo to svs is town? And why Sabi, is that just tunneling like you said you'd do when the game started. Yea, I think I just semi convinced myself.

None of this when looked at as a complete picture screams town to me. I'm putting my vote here, at least for now.

[VOTE: Seanzie] aubergine

I agree. looking back at old posts, I think it’s a little weird how Sean immediately switches blame on a dime like that. Seems suspicious.

[VOTE: Seanzie] aubergine

[S~V~S]

Checking in, shaking off the rust.

How's the rust? Have you tried CLR?

Laughed out loud at work.

[S~V~S]

Could be wrong, but Lucy and Sean are two of my very few town reads and I don't like the way this vote is shaping up for now.

Can you give me a good reason for trying to limit suspicion to a small group of people for non thread reasons?

I can’t find a good civ reason for that focus on Lucy’s part, and her constant attempts to bring discussion back to a non thread related coincidence.

How is this one of your towniest reads?

[Seanzie]

Hehehehehe

[VOTE: Seanzie] aubergine

Tell me more.

[S~V~S]

Ebwop, the whole thing seems opportunistic in the extreme.

[Seanzie]

And at the time, there were 2 votes on you? Golden and scotty?

Yes, 2 votes and a few others casting suspicion. Wolves take lazy cheapshots in those situations. SVS fits that archetype perfectly.

Would you have thought svs more or less wolfy if she had voted for you at the same time?

I don't know. It would've depended on how they voted.

Sean's approach to SVS gives me town vibes.

Explain.

I think the Sean v svs issue was somewhat of a misunderstanding. Do you two play together often or ever? I understood svs's side of it (that is why didn't specifically ask you svs) but I've known her forever and a day at this point and I more-or-less less speak her language. I follow the logic of her argument, and not so much Sean's. That's not to say I think he is definitely lying. But that either he doesn't understand her particular playstyle OR he os fabricating his defense and then fabricating an offense against her. I definitely do not buy that she'd use a stereotypical baddie archetype on day 1.

My eye is more on Sean from this exchange. Not to mention the (unexplained? I'd have to go back and look) sudden switcheroo to svs is town? And why Sabi, is that just tunneling like you said you'd do when the game started. Yea, I think I just semi convinced myself.

None of this when looked at as a complete picture screams town to me. I'm putting my vote here, at least for now.

[VOTE: Seanzie] aubergine

your loss.

Yes, it was unexplained.

[Seanzie]

Yes, 2 votes and a few others casting suspicion. Wolves take lazy cheapshots in those situations. SVS fits that archetype perfectly.

Would you have thought svs more or less wolfy if she had voted for you at the same time?

I don't know. It would've depended on how they voted.

Sean's approach to SVS gives me town vibes.

Explain.

I think the Sean v svs issue was somewhat of a misunderstanding. Do you two play together often or ever? I understood svs's side of it (that is why didn't specifically ask you svs) but I've known her forever and a day at this point and I more-or-less less speak her language. I follow the logic of her argument, and not so much Sean's. That's not to say I think he is definitely lying. But that either he doesn't understand her particular playstyle OR he os fabricating his defense and then fabricating an offense against her. I definitely do not buy that she'd use a stereotypical baddie archetype on day 1.

My eye is more on Sean from this exchange. Not to mention the (unexplained? I'd have to go back and look) sudden switcheroo to svs is town? And why Sabi, is that just tunneling like you said you'd do when the game started. Yea, I think I just semi convinced myself.

None of this when looked at as a complete picture screams town to me. I'm putting my vote here, at least for now.

[VOTE: Seanzie] aubergine

I agree. looking back at old posts, I think it’s a little weird how Sean immediately switches blame on a dime like that. Seems suspicious.

[VOTE: Seanzie] aubergine

You like two games deep, right?

If true, you're excused.

[Kate]

Yes, 2 votes and a few others casting suspicion. Wolves take lazy cheapshots in those situations. SVS fits that archetype perfectly.

Would you have thought svs more or less wolfy if she had voted for you at the same time?

I don't know. It would've depended on how they voted.

Sean's approach to SVS gives me town vibes.

Explain.

I think the Sean v svs issue was somewhat of a misunderstanding. Do you two play together often or ever? I understood svs's side of it (that is why didn't specifically ask you svs) but I've known her forever and a day at this point and I more-or-less less speak her language. I follow the logic of her argument, and not so much Sean's. That's not to say I think he is definitely lying. But that either he doesn't understand her particular playstyle OR he os fabricating his defense and then fabricating an offense against her. I definitely do not buy that she'd use a stereotypical baddie archetype on day 1.

My eye is more on Sean from this exchange. Not to mention the (unexplained? I'd have to go back and look) sudden switcheroo to svs is town? And why Sabi, is that just tunneling like you said you'd do when the game started. Yea, I think I just semi convinced myself.

None of this when looked at as a complete picture screams town to me. I'm putting my vote here, at least for now.

[VOTE: Seanzie] aubergine

your loss.

Yes, it was unexplained.

And you don't care to elaborate?

[Golden]

I can’t find a good civ reason for that focus on Lucy’s part, and her constant attempts to bring discussion back to a non thread related coincidence.

As we've previously discussed, I don't agree with your take on Lucy in the thread.

And I think even if you do think she had inordinate focus on those three people, this framing of it is over-egging it substantially. Lucy did not make 'constant attempts to bring discussion back to a non thread related coincidence'.

[Kate]

@Golden what way are y9u leaning on me and the two spawn?

[Golden]

@Golden what way are y9u leaning on me and the two spawn?

Most likely town to least likely town

Kate
Jack
Dennis

But none of those reads are particularly strong yet. I'll be interested to see whether today's outcome gives insight.

[Golden]

Also all three of you are in 'town range' for me... Dennis is just more 'autumn grass' than 'broccoli'

[S~V~S]

I can’t find a good civ reason for that focus on Lucy’s part, and her constant attempts to bring discussion back to a non thread related coincidence.

As we've previously discussed, I don't agree with your take on Lucy in the thread.

And I think even if you do think she had inordinate focus on those three people, this framing of it is over-egging it substantially. Lucy did not make 'constant attempts to bring discussion back to a non thread related coincidence'.

Hard disagree. Once she realized these were teenagers, and the kids of another player, pretty much every one of her posts were about them.

But you didn’t tell me why your town read is so strong. What are you seeing that I’m not?

[Seanzie]

Would you have thought svs more or less wolfy if she had voted for you at the same time?

I don't know. It would've depended on how they voted.

Sean's approach to SVS gives me town vibes.

Explain.

I think the Sean v svs issue was somewhat of a misunderstanding. Do you two play together often or ever? I understood svs's side of it (that is why didn't specifically ask you svs) but I've known her forever and a day at this point and I more-or-less less speak her language. I follow the logic of her argument, and not so much Sean's. That's not to say I think he is definitely lying. But that either he doesn't understand her particular playstyle OR he os fabricating his defense and then fabricating an offense against her. I definitely do not buy that she'd use a stereotypical baddie archetype on day 1.

My eye is more on Sean from this exchange. Not to mention the (unexplained? I'd have to go back and look) sudden switcheroo to svs is town? And why Sabi, is that just tunneling like you said you'd do when the game started. Yea, I think I just semi convinced myself.

None of this when looked at as a complete picture screams town to me. I'm putting my vote here, at least for now.

[VOTE: Seanzie] aubergine

your loss.

Yes, it was unexplained.

And you don't care to elaborate?

I changed my mind. Decided what I was seeing was not as significant as I thought, and let other people's opinions persuade me. I don't really have anything to add, aside from the fact that my feelings changed.

[Kate]

I don't know. It would've depended on how they voted.

Sean's approach to SVS gives me town vibes.

Explain.

I think the Sean v svs issue was somewhat of a misunderstanding. Do you two play together often or ever? I understood svs's side of it (that is why didn't specifically ask you svs) but I've known her forever and a day at this point and I more-or-less less speak her language. I follow the logic of her argument, and not so much Sean's. That's not to say I think he is definitely lying. But that either he doesn't understand her particular playstyle OR he os fabricating his defense and then fabricating an offense against her. I definitely do not buy that she'd use a stereotypical baddie archetype on day 1.

My eye is more on Sean from this exchange. Not to mention the (unexplained? I'd have to go back and look) sudden switcheroo to svs is town? And why Sabi, is that just tunneling like you said you'd do when the game started. Yea, I think I just semi convinced myself.

None of this when looked at as a complete picture screams town to me. I'm putting my vote here, at least for now.

[VOTE: Seanzie] aubergine

your loss.

Yes, it was unexplained.

And you don't care to elaborate?

I changed my mind. Decided what I was seeing was not as significant as I thought, and let other people's opinions persuade me. I don't really have anything to add, aside from the fact that my feelings changed.

Ok TY.