The Syndicate

This is the way the game ends
This is the way the game ends
This is the way the game ends
Not with a bang but a whimper.

That all being said,[VOTE: Ilario] aubergine in case you folks do hammer early. As someone who tends to favor vote analysis, it feels gross to have so few votes recorded in this game.

My top-to-bottom list at this time:

1. Dizzy
2. Marmot
3. NAA
4. Johanna
5. Falcon
6. Ilario

If afforded the grace and time, I will continue my reviews this evening. I believe that the presence of four baddies in this Heist instead of the typical three requires us to let go of the archetypal dismissal of some possible teammate connections. The more baddies on a team, the more they have to diversify their approaches to one another.

The general attitude of “I don’t want to work hard at this today if you’re just going to chop me” is just another piece of evidence to me if Ilario’s guilt. You slacked and it’s crunch time. Put up or shut up. He’s still not going into his reasoning behind his thoughts. It’s just a lot of empty platitudes; it’s a facade.

Ilario, if you don’t work hard at this today, then you can’t possibly hope to have any shred of grace extended to you tomorrow after I flip town. If you are somehow civvie, then your efforts and attitude today will lead to an almost immediate hammer of you tomorrow, which all but means you’re accepting a town loss right here and now.

If you are chopped today instead of me, then I expect more or less the same result, but I don’t accept it as an inevitability. If you folks don’t hammer this phase out early, I plan to examine Falcon again through the combined lenses of Dolby and SOA. I might very well get chopped today but I don’t want the town to throw itself into dire straits by leaving two baddies alive when the hammer is likely to be just 4 votes. The more concrete a reason and an answer that I can leave for my thoughts and suspicions, the more likely I provide even just a sliver of daylight for the remaining civs to use to find that final baddie.

It is not our deaths that define us. Rather it is what we do in light of our impending death that reveals our purpose, our character, and our commitment to the cause and to the game.

ilario wrote: ↑Tue Sep 21, 2021 9:34 pm Okay let me clear some things:

I was busy with irl duties and assignments for majority of yesterday day phase, I also had committed to a team game earlier and it was my day to play so what little time I had to spare was spent there. I intended to come back for the second half of day 4 in order to make up for my absence but then the day ended early which is something that almost never happen on MU so I wasn’t expecting that.

I’m not new to forum mafia, and I’m a good wolf. I’ve tricked spf the last 3 times I wolfed against her and JJJ townread me confidently the only time I ever wolfed against him. I’m not posting this to brag or anything but to assert that I’m no fool when it comes to mafia. If I see soa get voted out the previous day for not playing enough, then I don’t ever decide to follow suit the next day by 0 posting as his partner and getting into the same predicament he did. I also wouldn’t so obviously align myself with my partner like the way that I’ve interacted with soa this game. There is a lot of focus on how I read soa this game which I feel like is being blown out of proportion. Sure the read was wrong, but it was a day 1 read and it was a read that I started to reconsider as the game went on. Spf is a confirmed town and she also trd soa, dizzy who I’m very confident is town also trd soa.

Acknowledging my error on soa is fine and I’m okay with being held accountable for it but i feel as though the good I have done this game shouldn’t be ignored. I got one read wrong on d1 but all my other reads seemed to be good, I trd spf and jjj immediately. Sloonei soon followed. I found dizzy as town and then towards the end of the day suspicion was building on marmot and I towncased him and defended him when slots like sloonei were pressuring him. In a world where dizzy and marmot are town, that’s 5 townies I helped find and solidify a core with initially.

I was also quick to find NAA and Johanna as towny on d2 and I think at most, there would be 1 mafia in between them, if none. So again, I would argue that’s another point in my favour.

So where I’m at now is that I can agree that that gman is very likely to be a hit, that’s something I’ve felt for a while now.

I don’t intend to spend much other time than this post to talk about myself. I feel as though there will be an inclination to follow jjjs reads, which is understandable, he’s a good player that put in significant effort into the game and if I were anyone else other than the person he accused I would probably consider following his solve myself. I also don’t think falcon is mafia, after seeing a few flips and having time to think I don’t feel like falcon makes sense as mafia to me this game. There was a point in d1, where sig was being voted and I recall soa trying to rally people into voting falcon. It doesn’t not make sense for soa to bus a teammate in that scenario where wolves had a free town miselim lined up with sig.

I feel confident in dizzy and falcon both being town. I intend to spend the rest of the day combing through to make sure nobody else that I initially townread had been miscleared so that I can Atleast leave town with a legacy solve in the instance I ever get voted.

On a side note: a part of me still doesn’t believe that tsp is fruit vendor and I keep getting the paranoia that someone like NAA is trying to do some kind of tricky play where they hide as fruit vendor thinking that tsp is a Vt covering for them. Tsp just isn’t playing the game like a clear would, he barely has any thread presence and doesn’t assert himself into the game, nor do I see any drive to solve from him. I Believe his claim so little that I even went back to check my inbox to see if that maybe I was a fruit vendor who didn’t notice, and I suggest others do the same.

Also a PS to dizzy: I get that you may feel peer pressured to be suspicious of me and that’s fine. I still think ur town but if u fos me that’s cool and understandable, regardless the outcome of this game I meant everything I said and I think ur hilarious and just great to be around, hopefully we can town again in the future.

That RL sometimes dumps a wagonload of crap in our laps is understandable. I have a long list of unfortunate events to share once this game is over. But we can't hide behind it or use it as an excuse at this point.

You just soft cleared four of the seven remaining players not named Ilario in your post up there. The three you didn't soft clear are me, Marmot, and TSP. If, as you say, TSP is faking a fruit vendor claim, then you seem to still think he's town. (He's got to be town or else we're living in the stupidest spot in the multiverse for team strategy.) You hedge and say that there COULD be a baddie between NAA and Johanna. Does that mean you look for two baddies in the pool of Johanna/Marmot/NAA tomorrow if I am mischopped today?

Also, why? We all need a lot of why from you.

The following selected reading focuses on Ilario's progression from concern about singling out the early no- and low- posters through adding low-posters to his POE, and eventually doubling down on low posters as the most viable options. What you will also find is a complete lack of reasoning behind this progression and the low-posters in his POE. Let's begin:

Early uncertainty about no-posters, some (perhaps) telling wit, and a caution.

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Playing a little of the 'golly, I just do not know what to do' bit:

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Check those time stamps...

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ilario wrote: ↑Tue Sep 14, 2021 12:11 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue Sep 14, 2021 12:06 pm
ilario wrote: ↑Tue Sep 14, 2021 12:02 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue Sep 14, 2021 12:01 pm
ilario wrote: ↑Tue Sep 14, 2021 11:57 am You and jay mostly slid just because I found Johanna and NAA to be very towny today. At which point I reached a threshold of having too many townreads. At that point I asked myself who am I more likely to be misreading. On one hand I have players such as Johanna, naa, soa who seem relatively new to FM. On the other hand I have seasoned vets with a decade worth of experience who were are commanding voices in the game that’s leading us to a poe that I don’t feel all to comfortable with. At that point I figured it’s likely that I’m misreading someone in the latter.
That is not an unfair thought process. But I am town, and I am confident at the present that Jay is too.

I will not ask you to adopt a town read on either of if it is not what you feel in your heart. But I think, rather than dealing in accusations, we talk about that aforementioned POE. You say you have not felt comfortable with the direction it has been going. Excluding Jay and myself (for the sake of this mental exercise), what other changes would you make?

Well what’s the current poe looking like fypov ? I’ll tell you what I’ll add in fmpov
I am specifically asking about what you perceived the POE to be at the time that you decided you were uncomfortable with. At the moment you began to distrust SloonJay, what specifically was the source of that distrust?
I perceived the poe to be mostly the low posters/some combination of gman/dolby/marmot/Johanna/naa

This post is explaining Ilario's distrust of Sloonei. Reading the whole thing shows Ilario to be a little cagey in giving Sloonei a direct answer. Sloonei presses for more and gets an answer. Ilario's sus of Sloonei and JJJ were due to Ilario's perception that their POE was just attacking low-posters. But why? We never get into the why. At this point Ilario must still find Sloonei and JJJ suspicious for their POE, but in the next post...

ilario wrote: ↑Tue Sep 14, 2021 12:15 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue Sep 14, 2021 12:12 pm
ilario wrote: ↑Tue Sep 14, 2021 12:11 pm I perceived the poe to be mostly the low posters/some combination of gman/dolby/marmot/Johanna/naa
How would you rank those players?
I would rank the Johanna and naa pretty highly

I thought marmot was town yesterday, if u and jjj are both town and If I am misreading someone then it’s probably marmot

Gman/Dolby id be shocked if there isn’t Atleast one scum in that pair

...Ilario suddenly has Dolby and myself at the bottom of the barrel. So should he really still be leery of JJJ and Sloonei's POE if he has adopted part of it as his own? Also, why Dolby or me? There is no why. Is it perhaps because Ilario realizes that he's got to start playing ball or he'll start to stand out? Pretty big shift in just a matter of minutes.

And now a continuation of reads without reasons...

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ilario wrote: ↑Wed Sep 15, 2021 4:27 am
staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Tue Sep 14, 2021 11:50 pm 1-2 wolves in dolby/g-man, 1 wolf in illario/limecoke, 1-2 wolves in falcon/SoA/TSP
disagree on the last part

ilario wrote: ↑Wed Sep 15, 2021 4:30 am I still maintain that soa is more villagery than the jjj/sloonei duo and I’m willing to die on that hill

This is a doozy of a double-feature. SPF was right: 1 wolf in Dolby, 1 wolf in Ilario, and at least one wolf in SOA. Ilario's comment about dying on the hill that SOA was more towny than JJJ and Sloonei was hyperbole that is meant to put a rational amount of distance between him and SOA, but I think he needs to make good on it now that JJJ and Sloonei are both confirmed town. Ilario had already adopted the pairing of me and Dolby, so it's convenient that he was able to agree on that third of SPF's solve. Plus the added bonus of nailing the second third. These two posts reek of TMI.

ilario wrote: ↑Wed Sep 15, 2021 5:15 am
staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Wed Sep 15, 2021 5:11 am
ilario wrote: ↑Wed Sep 15, 2021 2:22 am
staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Wed Sep 15, 2021 12:54 am @ilario -

when you get the chance, could you please discuss your read on lime coke in more detail? it is true that you briefly engaged with lime coke about your concerns, (https://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/viewt ... 18#p855818), accepted lime coke's explanation, (https://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/viewt ... 33#p855833), and then brought up the exact same concern a dayphase later. is there anything else about lime coke that you find especially concerning?

the question here, i think, is whether or not it's wolfy for ilario to wolfread lime coke with that specific reasoning. given that:

A. illario had a pretty gradual build-up of suspicion of lime coke throughout his ISO

B. illario made other posts that implied his issues with lime coke extended beyond: "i don't like he outed his read on me" (https://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/viewt ... 727#p85572)

C. illario tends to read other players based on how they are reading him

i do not think that his read on lime coke is inherently wolfy. it fits with whatever conception i have of what an "illario wolfread" looks like. i find it believable that the read could come from ilario as a villager, but it would help me a lot if he was more specific about his concerns
A) the sus wasn’t build up. It was there from the beginning, I just didn’t want to express it immediately because I hate it when people gang up on lc regardless of his alignment. I wanted him to settle into the game first to avoid any potential toxicity.

B) my other reasons are not anything unique to what’s already been said. I didn’t like when he mentioned there’s slots scummier than himself as a way to defend himself, but this has already been mentioned. And his initial tr on sloonei also felt awkward to me.

I’m similar to you in that I haven’t seen that eureka moment where lcs towniness hits me, and that usually happens fairly early when he’s town
mm okay, who would u say ur top suspicion is right now outside of lime coke?
Gman probably but that’s boring

"My other reasons are not anything unique to what's already been said." That doesn't matter. If you have reasons, you share them. Ilario never has.

ilario wrote: ↑Fri Sep 17, 2021 5:42 am Hmmmm I think gman is the most likely to be a hit fmpov

I believe that this post came when SOA and I were pretty popular in the poll. Again, no explanation of why.

ilario wrote: ↑Fri Sep 17, 2021 5:43 am And then afterwards I’d probably explore into falcon/Dolby

He knows that he can't push Dolby too far out of focus or it looks fishy. This post does make me ponder Falcon's status a bit more though. SOA was already under fire, while Ilario still enjoyed at least low-level townreads from enough players to keep him safe enough from the POE. With one teammate in the line of fire, and another trending down, does Ilario make his follow-up to a mischop a two-teammate combo? That's a hard upside to sell, and I need to think more on it.

And at last, some vote waffling.

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Ilario entered the game well and used that entrance and a triad that was a little too accepting of what would normally be Day 0 happy-go-lucky vibes to leverage his way into a low- to mid-level town read. Throughout the game, Ilario has been reluctant to offer reasons for his POE and his votes. He's been sheeping off the vibes, trends, and POEs of the thread without being called out on it. Until now. Hiding behind the excuse of "my other reasons are not anything unique to what's already been said," is cover for "I don't have reasons and don't want to fabricate any if I don't have to."

I don't know what Ilario thinks about anyone or anything in this game. I think that is because he doesn't want so stitch together a series of lies and have it picked apart. Please, by all means- go back through his ISO and prove me wrong. Find his original concrete thoughts on why Dolby, I, or anyone else belong in his POE. I maintain that it's not to be found.

PS- I still intend to go back through and look at others. I don't have a lock-solid solve because I need to take this one baddie at a time. I am 97% sure that I will vote for Ilario today but I don't want to give up the time afforded us to research and make gains past this chop.

Marmot wrote: ↑Tue Sep 21, 2021 7:14 pm @G-Man when you get a moment, could you talk about your Johanna suspicion?

G-Man wrote: ↑Fri Sep 17, 2021 10:04 pm 'Threading the needle' is still an apt description for Johanna's ISO in my eyes. She has been very steady and consistent, but never aggressive. She reads, thinks, and responds. She seems to have a dry, cheeky sense of humor, which matches the subdued tone of he game-related content. I said before that I would like to see her rock the boat a little, but that doesn't seem to be her M.O. here. Her on-point content suits me better than a few other folks, but she still feels a little too at-the-radar for me to embrace her as a full townread.

I notice that she consistently ends up in or near the bottom of your POE, but this is the only post I've found in your ISO which actually talks about her (with the exception of your full player readlist, but that says the same thing).

There's a newness factor to Johanna that plays a role in my hesitancy to give her a full town read. Her tone is just so even and mild that it's almost a little off-putting. It's as if she exists in a kind of 'uncanny valley' for civvie behavior in my mind. The act that she is very new to me must play a role in that, but there's also NAA giving off Mac vibes, so I won't be able to sort that out until postgame. I know there was at least one of our baddies whose interactions with her (or her interactions with them) seem out of bounds for a teammate, so I will try to find that as well.

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Tue Sep 21, 2021 5:27 pm Are you willing and capable, G-Man?

That I am, but I will need the full phase.

I sped through Dolby’s and Ilario’s ISO’s today at lunch. I came away feeling like that ISO pairing looks worse than the pairing of SOA and Falcon. I have a 6:30 meeting tonight and I brought a pile of work home today to do afterwards, but I should be able to dig back into Dolby and Ilario’s ISOs later this evening.

NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Tue Sep 21, 2021 5:03 pm Let's hammer and move on.

This is a bad idea. There are still two baddies left in the game. They would love nothing more than to join a rah-rah rush to judgment and help burn our final mischop. Slow and steady wins the race.

We ISO’d the crap out of SOA after he flipped. We should do the same with Dolby now too. Jay is gone, but that doesn’t mean we can’t pick up the ISO slack. Hammering is easy. Drilling into ISOs takes finesse. Let’s find out who is willing and capable of ISOing the POE. It just might be illuminating.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Mon Sep 20, 2021 6:24 am My current lead theory is that falcon is the patsy and mafia are trying their absolute best to get him chopped to force us into Limlo. That would apply to both ilario and G-Man.

The main wrench is that falcon legitimately has been suspicious, and I think he’s a decent fit with SoA. As of now I don’t think I chop him before G-Man, and certainly not before Dolby.

The vote I placed on Falcon comes from legitimate suspicion from civvie me. It’s not a conceit or ploy on my part to help the baddies win. I don’t want the baddies to win.

Also, it starts a second prospective wagon. Piling onto one wagon doesn’t generate as much information to glean from the results about those who remain. Vote Dolby if you think that’s the right move. This feels right for me.

Lastly, thinking independently is more appealing to me than just rolling over and doing whatever the remaining resident Type-A supatown tells us to do.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Mon Sep 20, 2021 12:22 am It’s impossible to gain a mischop.

That sucks.

Marmot wrote: ↑Mon Sep 20, 2021 12:12 am Dolby -> falcon -> G-Man -> NAA -> Johanna

That's the way I see it pending an ilario review, but given we only get one wrong guess, Johanna doesn't exist on this list, because we only get 4 more chops at most.

Third in line is suitable for me, so long as we chop two baddies before I'm "dealt with." I'm a mischop. I'd rather be a mischop that happens with a buffer than a mischop that loses us the game.

It's currently (6+1)v3. If we chop a baddie today, then it becomes (5+1)v2. That would give us two mischops as our buffer instead of one, right? If we get two in a row, we're at (4+1)v1, which is just as comfy I think.

It's late. Maths might not be right. Bed.

Marmot wrote: ↑Sun Sep 19, 2021 11:47 pm
Even if you don't read the JJJ outcomes of the interactive analyses, he at least did a reasonable legwork compiling the interactions to save time.

Those will hopefully be my breakfast reading in the morning.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Mon Sep 20, 2021 12:02 am @G-Man I’m not clear on your explanation for Dolby being more likely innocent (relative to SoA) than falcon. Could you expand or restate?

It's not a 'Dolby is more innocent' thing. It's a 'Falcon is more guilty' thing just because Falcon's been on my radar for a phase longer. I didn't pick up on Dolby until I read his ISO and saw that the forest wasn't as impressive as some of the individual trees.

Perhaps I can deep dive into Dolby again over lunch, but I have to prep for my evening obligation at lunchtime as well.

There's a process involved with being a baddie. You have to figure out what you're going to do at the start of the game with your teammates. With two teammates, it's typical to split the difference- sus one and tr the other. Sometimes you wait to see how each one does early on. If someone missteps, that's the one you use as your sus for chop cred. Sussing both or TRing both is a high-risk/low-reward track record in my mental notes, because it may become obvious if you are the first one to get chopped. With three teammates, you're almost certain to find at least one to sus. Maybe it's sus one, TR one, and waffle on the third.

Falcon seems like the teammate that SOA selected to sus. He started a little waffley on Falcon, but then just kind of settled on him as a comfortable baddie read. SOA echoed comments of others about Falcon sus, but there's little if any original reasoning to why he leaned toward Falcon being a baddie. Even after throwing his vote on the Dolby train, his next post was about Falcon and how he could still see him as bad. If SOA, Falcon, and Dolby are on the same team, that's a bit awkward for him to be open to chopping two teammates at the same time, but perhaps that's the point. If Dolby and Falcon were chopped, we might second-guess SOA's likelihood of a double-bus. There's still the 4th member out there though.

In a world where Falcon is innocent, then this is a ploy to try to remind everyone that Falcon is low on people's lists in the hopes a Dolby scum flip pivots into a Falcon mischop. In a world where Dolby is innocent, this is a setup for an I-told-you-so to divert the next chop to Falcon instead of himself once Dolby flips town. For me, it's easier to digest the scenario where SOA is in a pinch and has to accept Dolby as his self-preservation vote while also having to maintain his faux-sus read on Falcon.

I want to vote so I at least leave another vote on the record to be analyzed when this day is over. If I have time, I will try to explore the rest of my POE in relation to SOA. Godspeed and good luck if I can't make it back before EOD/hammer.

[VOTE: Falcon] aubergine

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sun Sep 19, 2021 4:57 pm
G-Man wrote: ↑Sun Sep 19, 2021 4:49 pm What reservations do you still have about NAA that you lumped him into that POE cluster? He doesn't appear in your formulations.
I don't have reservations. I was basing that statement on your reads list. Dizzy and Marmot were "bet the game" level town and NAA wasn't, per your list.

Do you believe ilario and falcon fit together as mafia teammates?

Teammate equity isn’t something I have explored yet between those two. I jumped the gun stitching my Lime Coke-Falcon theory together, so I put that sort of exercise on ice for until we chopped one. Right now I’m more focused on finding the most concrete link between my POE pool and SOA. I’m not a 4-D team-solver like you.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sun Sep 19, 2021 4:36 pm ilario has to answer for his SoA read. Moreover he tried to prioritize voting falcon before SoA yesterday.

No problem seeing him as mafia.

@G-Man if you’re town then you have a very clear-cut view of the game. You can clear me. You can clear Tony. You bet the game on Marmot and Dizzy as town.

You should have a narrow field by the numbers. It would be exactly three among Johanna, Dolby, ilario, falcon, and NAA. Is that the case?

Taking Tony's claim as true, then my revised and simplified groupings shift into this:

TOWN
Dizzy
Marmot
NAA
Tony

POE
Dolby
Falcon
Ilario
Johanna

What reservations do you still have about NAA that you lumped him into that POE cluster? He doesn't appear in your formulations.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sun Sep 19, 2021 4:19 pm Please refrain from hammers for at least 24 hours, so I can make the most of my poisoning. I’m still recovering from Bengals rage.

Quickly:

Team theory 1: G-Man, Dolby, ilario

Team theory 2: G-Man, Dolby, falcon

If either is correct that’s a winning POE pool anyway. If not, it’s ip to the people named here to change the dynamic.

There's a G-Man-shaped error in both of your team theories.

I don't hold out much hope of 'changing the dynamic' for you since you've left very little latitude in your mind to consider my innocence all game long, but we'll see if you can prove me wrong.

Marmot wrote: ↑Sun Sep 19, 2021 3:47 pm Just gonna put these here.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Fri Sep 17, 2021 8:06 pm Do Dolby and Son of Anarch fit together as mafia teammates?

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From Dolby

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Dolby wrote: ↑Sun Sep 12, 2021 12:49 am
sig wrote: ↑Sat Sep 11, 2021 10:00 am
Son of Anarch wrote: ↑Fri Sep 10, 2021 9:07 pm Oh and by the way, I was kinda thinkin' about this earlier.

Isn't it better for the fruit vendor to claim right away? Basically an IC, yeah? Could have me (the watcher) go on 'em too. I know it's delayed mechanics and all, but still useful as long as I'm not killed.

And for everyone's efforts on this page, I'm gonna slap a small townread on all of you good folk right away. I'm warning ya though, my mind changes easily, but gettin' good vibes from this crowd. I like Jimmy's idea too, about Stayposi being naturally on guard about his early buddy-buddy with her. He seems like a good player, so I think her being naturally curious about all of that is pretty nice as far as ground zero reads go.
Hate this post, I’m always against claiming earlier especially d1
Weird callout. Especially since Anarch already established themselves as pro-mech claim where they claimed watcher. Just takes the call for fruit vendor to claim, which isn't bad, and strips away a past context which makes it look better.

Townreads Dizzy

Don't care about the response to the SPF stuff.

sig wrote: ↑Sat Sep 11, 2021 6:18 pm Also son of arch is just doing a very obvious omgus and salty that I disagree with others on his town rwae
would have to read for context

Basically the whole ISO is being defensive and talking about Anarch. I strongly dislike the sus on Anarch from sig, nor do I like that beyond the Dizzy toneread it's the only thing he's put out. There is space to improve since he hasn't backread but does not look good.

Dolby wrote: ↑Sun Sep 12, 2021 1:19 am I'm gonna ignore any followup until I'm done with Anarch

Dolby wrote: ↑Sun Sep 12, 2021 1:32 am Watcher claim and encouraging Fruit Vendor to out are kinda towny.

Son of Anarch wrote: ↑Fri Sep 10, 2021 11:11 pm
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Fri Sep 10, 2021 10:57 pm staypositiveffiend
Sloonei

TonyStarkPrime

Son of Anarch

More people please
Being concerned about others read on you. Bad look

Susses LC for piggybacking JJJ. A good look that they both had similar thoughts towards the slot.

Having a catchup post is towny and I'd rather crash than read it

I think that the TSP vote is unnatural coming from scum and moving against a potential pocket.

Don't like the sig vote but apparently a number of people agree with it so won't hold it against him

Scum in 0 posters is a yikes

I think he comes off better between him and sig

I want to sleep

Dolby wrote: ↑Tue Sep 14, 2021 3:49 am Dizzy - looking back I think that some of the stuff that I'm worried about with JJJ applies here
falcon - don't remember a word they've said rn
G-man - same
ilario - towny, triad 2 posts better than posts near start of game
JJJ - have some level of paranoia towards here. This is most relevant in a world where G-Man and Jo are both town
Johanna - null. I don't think their day two entrance changes anything for me wrt to her either (there may be good JJJ points here). The only thing that looks even remotely bad is her characterization of TSP's behavior.
LC - vibes
Marmot - can be town
NAA - hank_scorpio_fire.gif
SOA - vibes
Sloonei - probs good
TSP - town (obv)

gn

Dolby wrote: ↑Wed Sep 15, 2021 2:11 pm I kinda just like LC on skim

I want them to articulate how they feel about Anarch but that's about it

Dolby turned sig's suspicion of SoA into his own suspicion of sig. Classically this might be called a chainsaw defense, and it's not the best look. Dolby's review of SoA himself is pretty limited and ends in positive feedback "vibes". I don't know why he brought up Anarch in that last post referencing Lime Coke.

From Son of Anarch

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Son of Anarch wrote: ↑Sun Sep 12, 2021 10:36 am
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JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sun Sep 12, 2021 12:06 am Son of Anarch is an interesting case. I think that, on a holistic level, he looks pretty decent. There are some isolated moments where he might be a bit s t i l t e d though. I think I could even be reading him that way as a byproduct of his penchant for replacing the "ing" with " in' ". Replacin' as it were. I know that's dumb, but I'm just trying to make sense of a dumb concept like "stilted".

Still generally a town read, just with a bit more trepidation than some others have shown.
Hey Jimmy, I appreciate the town read n' all, even if it's comin' with some strings attached. Can ya maybe quote a post or two where ya feel I might be stilted?

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sun Sep 12, 2021 12:08 am
staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Sun Sep 12, 2021 12:03 am (perhaps i should be taking a closer look at my read on Son Of Anarch - i wrote him off as town almost immediately when i have no idea what his range is like or how competent of a wolf he is)
I was having this thought just a moment before I read your post. My current stance is that Son of A Narc is town and perfectly agreeable and a helpful voice in the thread. But he's also new to me, but clearly not new to the game, and a player in that position could very quickly and easily disarm us if they know what buttons to push.

This is not something I would take action on right now, but it is something I would be mindful of if the game begins to take a shape that we do not like.
Hey man, I'm tellin' you all to be scared of me I'm not scum this game, but I can tell you all that I'm not half-bad.

Dolby wrote: ↑Sun Sep 12, 2021 12:49 am
sig wrote: ↑Sat Sep 11, 2021 10:00 am
Son of Anarch wrote: ↑Fri Sep 10, 2021 9:07 pm Oh and by the way, I was kinda thinkin' about this earlier.

Isn't it better for the fruit vendor to claim right away? Basically an IC, yeah? Could have me (the watcher) go on 'em too. I know it's delayed mechanics and all, but still useful as long as I'm not killed.

And for everyone's efforts on this page, I'm gonna slap a small townread on all of you good folk right away. I'm warning ya though, my mind changes easily, but gettin' good vibes from this crowd. I like Jimmy's idea too, about Stayposi being naturally on guard about his early buddy-buddy with her. He seems like a good player, so I think her being naturally curious about all of that is pretty nice as far as ground zero reads go.
Hate this post, I’m always against claiming earlier especially d1
Weird callout. Especially since Anarch already established themselves as pro-mech claim where they claimed watcher. Just takes the call for fruit vendor to claim, which isn't bad, and strips away a past context which makes it look better.

Townreads Dizzy

Don't care about the response to the SPF stuff.

sig wrote: ↑Sat Sep 11, 2021 6:18 pm Also son of arch is just doing a very obvious omgus and salty that I disagree with others on his town rwae
would have to read for context

Basically the whole ISO is being defensive and talking about Anarch. I strongly dislike the sus on Anarch from sig, nor do I like that beyond the Dizzy toneread it's the only thing he's put out. There is space to improve since he hasn't backread but does not look good.
I appreciate your analysis here, Dolby. Keep sheepin' my reads and I'll take care of ya, although I gotta say, I kept confusin' you for ilario here because of the avatar.
I don't think any of the spoiled bits are that important and to be honest with you all, the quoting on this website is a bit difficult/hard to keep up, so I'm just gonna be talkin' about things without quotes and then if ya need me to quote for whatever reason, just ask me.

@ilario I think Marmot's recent posts are alright. It doesn't really sway me one way or the other. I guess you could say his posts are mostly safe, but not really that scummy t'me. I know that's kinda avoiding givin' a direct answer, but probably wouldn't feel comfortable labeling the dude one way or the other.

And Sloonei man, I honestly don't know what you're tryin' to say there. I get you don't want to enforce a read on Jimmy or make people think you have to follow your read, but I think from my perspective it seems pretty obvious that ya town read the guy. Reason bein' that you haven't really contested the triad idea, keep askin' leading questions that sorta attempt to guide people towards the read, and I don't think you'd give Jimmy this much thread control if ya thought the guy was scum, eh? So I don't get why you're makin' such a big deal about not givin' a read on him.

Dyslexicon had a good point earlier by the way. I know ya guys haven't ever played with me, but I think some of my posts here are pretty hard to fake as scum just in general. I'd listen to the good man here and town read me to make the game easier on you all Hah, but if you don't wanna that's okay too. I just wanna remind you all though that cowboys are good at catchin' criminals.

Also, I accept my place in the triad with you Ilario. I was readin' over your ISO earlier and I'm thinkin' you're just town. Reason being that I think some of your ideas and posts are just too whacky to be scum and your confidence is so fire. I know I said earlier confidence could be scum-indicative, but it's the kinda confidence that's enforced for the sake of pushin' the game along and not the kind of confidence I see a wolf present in order to be town read. Dyslexicon seems like a pretty cool dude as well, high-energy and all. Not that that makes someone town, but I've seen him present a few reads or push in a few directions that I feel like would be pretty ballsy to do, also everyone else seems to town read him and I doubt the whole thread would be wrong on that sorta read since he seems to be a regular on the site.

Here's a reads list for everyone's trouble by the way (it's not ordered between tiers):

Stayposi
Ilario
Jimmy
Dyslexicon
NAA

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Dolby
Sloonei
Marmot
Falcon

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G-man
Johanna

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Lime Coke
TSP

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sig

Son of Anarch wrote: ↑Mon Sep 13, 2021 8:17 pm Eh... If I had t'pick 4 people. Now that's really tough, but I'm gonna say right now it'd have to be...

Dizzy
Jimmy
Ilario

and for the fourth... I'm not too certain here. Maybe someone I haven't looked into too much but got good vibes from like Dolby or heck, even Johanna. That might be jumpin' the gun though. I think I'll slot Dolby in there.

Son of Anarch wrote: ↑Tue Sep 14, 2021 5:57 pm I do like your team theory kinda. I'm unsure about Dolby bein' there because I thought the day 1 content was good. Day 2 hasn't been as great, so I'll give ya that.

Son of Anarch wrote: ↑Tue Sep 14, 2021 5:58 pm I don't know if the Johanna, ilario, Dolby, G-Man team works though. That's all three of the 0-posters day 1 in one team, which seems unlikely. Although not impossible I guess due to how thread felt before they started postin'

For the first time in these reviews I find myself actually moved by real suspicion. These are not encouraging posts and I think quite supportive of SoA and Dolby as mafia partners. The initial reads list is whatever. Dolby is in the second-highest tier. That's at least questionable but not necessarily terrible. The other three posts all stand out to me in a bad way though. Dolby gets the token "maybe" placement among SoA's four town reads, and it would form an inverse player salad. The next post about my team theory dissuades the inclusion of Dolby as mafia while simultaneously giving a reason to suspect him. The final post again dissuades a mafia read of Dolby before providing a counter-justification. These are not pretty caveats.

~~~

Do they fit?

Yes, SoA and Dolby fit togther well. If one is mafia I think the other is a high prospect to be with him.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Fri Sep 17, 2021 8:53 pm Do falcon45ca and Son of Anarch fit together as mafia teammates?

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From falcon45ca

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falcon45ca wrote: ↑Sat Sep 11, 2021 12:50 pm
Son of Anarch wrote: ↑Sat Sep 11, 2021 12:48 pm Hey all. Just caught up on the thread, some thoughts below

VVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVV

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Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Sat Sep 11, 2021 7:38 am
Son of Anarch wrote: ↑Fri Sep 10, 2021 9:07 pm Oh and by the way, I was kinda thinkin' about this earlier.

Isn't it better for the fruit vendor to claim right away? Basically an IC, yeah? Could have me (the watcher) go on 'em too. I know it's delayed mechanics and all, but still useful as long as I'm not killed.

And for everyone's efforts on this page, I'm gonna slap a small townread on all of you good folk right away. I'm warning ya though, my mind changes easily, but gettin' good vibes from this crowd. I like Jimmy's idea too, about Stayposi being naturally on guard about his early buddy-buddy with her. He seems like a good player, so I think her being naturally curious about all of that is pretty nice as far as ground zero reads go.
Hi, Son. Hope I can call you Son, cause I think that's kind of funny.

I just wanted to tell you that I'm currently single and looking to mingle. And I was wondering if you wanted to go on a date with me? It would entail peace and love and good things, and us never voting each other this game. You are town, and I am town. Let me know kk *squeaks and runs*
Hey there Dyslexicon. I'm lookin' forward to playing this game with you. Unfortunately, don't think my girlfriend would want me to be going on any dates with someone else so I'm gonna have to turn ya down there. And well... Can't promise you I'll never vote you this game, but I gotta say I like the free-flowing thought pattern you seem to be exhibiting here so I probably won't be votin' you any time soon unless you get on my bad side.he

sig wrote: ↑Sat Sep 11, 2021 10:00 am
Son of Anarch wrote: ↑Fri Sep 10, 2021 9:07 pm Oh and by the way, I was kinda thinkin' about this earlier.

Isn't it better for the fruit vendor to claim right away? Basically an IC, yeah? Could have me (the watcher) go on 'em too. I know it's delayed mechanics and all, but still useful as long as I'm not killed.

And for everyone's efforts on this page, I'm gonna slap a small townread on all of you good folk right away. I'm warning ya though, my mind changes easily, but gettin' good vibes from this crowd. I like Jimmy's idea too, about Stayposi being naturally on guard about his early buddy-buddy with her. He seems like a good player, so I think her being naturally curious about all of that is pretty nice as far as ground zero reads go.
Hate this post, I’m always against claiming earlier especially d1
Ya know, I'm thinkin' this response to me is actually kinda bad. It's one of your first posts and already you're sayin' you hate my posts because you're against the general philosophy of 'em instead of saying you just disagree with the approach. That's kinda something I think wolves are more prone to do. They'll try to magnify something that might not be agreeable and make it seem like the post is bad when in actuality it's just a disagreement in playstyle. But I'm a nice guy, so I'm gonna give you a chance.

@ShēpInWolfsClothing what about the post is bad other than your disagreement of it?
@TonyStarkPrime care to explain your townreads on sig and falcon? Gotta say I disagree with at least sig for reasons I describe up top, no real opinion on falcon as of yet.

And also why I'm on the subject:

@falcon45ca Why'd ya specifically call out that crowd with their townreads? I'd say there's been quite a few players this game that have been ridin' the town read train, includin' myself a bit.

Oh yeah and since it's been talked about a bit, I'm just gonna say that another reason I have Stayposi as town now is because while she's not postin' as much as the rest of us, her posts are pretty... "powerful" in a sense. I'd like to call it somethin' like high-impact posting. I'm willing to listen to Dyslexicon's opinion of course, but I don't think she's got scum vibes like some of the other people I've been talkin' about.

And another thing too that I noticed... I still kinda feel like Lime Coke is mirroring the thread. He seems almost scared to make strong statements and has even qualified a few of them like his townread on ilario. Dunno... think I'm just gettin' the vibe that he's a bit uncomfortable.
Who else has been posting huge town reads list? I'll puke all over their shoes too

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Sat Sep 11, 2021 10:10 pm
Son of Anarch wrote: ↑Sat Sep 11, 2021 6:29 pm Sig's defensive reaction ain't good... Kinda yikes if ya ask me.
Redundant. If it ain't good, you don't need to also tell us it's yikes.

Why do I feel you're trying to sell me something?

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Sat Sep 11, 2021 10:10 pm
Son of Anarch wrote: ↑Sat Sep 11, 2021 6:29 pm Sig's defensive reaction ain't good... Kinda yikes if ya ask me.
Redundant. If it ain't good, you don't need to also tell us it's yikes.

Why do I feel you're trying to sell me something?

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Sat Sep 11, 2021 10:11 pm
Son of Anarch wrote: ↑Sat Sep 11, 2021 6:03 pm Also I'm thinkin' there's probably a scum in the 0-posters. Not sure if mafia the syndicate is the same, but on mafia scum a ton of folk hate randin' mafia to the point where they'll barely post. It can get pretty annoyin' and well... we've got three guys here not speakin' and I don't feel super bamboozled yet. I think I'm gonna make an enemy out of anyone who comes into the thread now.
Pushing low posters D1? Never seen scum do that before...

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Sun Sep 12, 2021 5:27 pm
Son of Anarch wrote: ↑Sun Sep 12, 2021 5:14 pm
falcon45ca wrote: ↑Sun Sep 12, 2021 5:13 pm
Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Sun Sep 12, 2021 4:59 pm
falcon45ca wrote: ↑Sun Sep 12, 2021 4:55 pm [VOTE: Ilario] aubergine
This chop won't happen.
If you had to choose between the people having votes already, who would it be?
Also what's your thoughts on Sig?
Not with that kind of attitude.

GTH sig is town
What’s he done to “earn” your town read?
He hasn't, a GTH read from me is the same as a gut read.

I feel he'd come across more agenda-y if he were Maf

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Tue Sep 14, 2021 7:24 pmSon of Anarch - Doesn't come across as overly wary or shy about approaching the game & giving reads.

[etc trustfall snip...]

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Thu Sep 16, 2021 10:35 pm
Son of Anarch wrote: ↑Thu Sep 16, 2021 10:34 pm
falcon45ca wrote: ↑Thu Sep 16, 2021 10:33 pm
Son of Anarch wrote: ↑Thu Sep 16, 2021 10:30 pm hello. i didn't get to see EOD. work has me so swamped. who died
I have a sneaking suspicion that Nanook tagged you (like he did everybody) and you can go check for yourself.

It's D3, derp clears are for D1
I honestly didn't think tags did anything on this site but thanks for the passive-aggression bud
Sorry about that.

I wasn't trying to be passive.

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Tue Sep 14, 2021 8:44 pm
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Sep 14, 2021 7:52 pm
falcon45ca wrote: ↑Tue Sep 14, 2021 7:50 pm
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Sep 14, 2021 7:46 pm Thanks for doing those everyone.

@falcon45ca, how do you feel about the solve I proposed? From your perspective only one of the possible teams can be correct.
I'm sorry, what's the solve?
From this
and this

I determined the mafia team must be either:

Dolby, G-Man, Lime Coke, falcon
or
Dolby, G-Man, Lime Coke, Son of Anarch
Oh ok.

I don't think LC is Maf, doesn't feel right, ditto SOA. I'd put ilario in their spot Otherwise this is a POE I can work with.

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Tue Sep 14, 2021 8:46 pm I'd actually put Dizzy in over SOA.

Ilario, Dolby, Dizzy, G-Man is my POE atm

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Thu Sep 16, 2021 10:36 pm JJJ, Ilario, Dolby, SOA

That's a good POE

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Fri Sep 17, 2021 10:43 am
Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Fri Sep 17, 2021 10:28 am
falcon45ca wrote: ↑Thu Sep 16, 2021 10:36 pm JJJ, Ilario, Dolby, SOA

That's a good POE
If I'm not mistaken, you're vote has been off main wagons on both days now. How are you going to impact the game to a town win? Right now Dolby and SOA have wagons on them, so if you were to choose one of them, which one would you vote?
I vote for the players I think are scum. How am I supposed to know how I'm going to impact the game for a town win? That's a strange question. What's your answer to that question for yourself?

Between Dolby and SOA, I'd like to pull a move I've recently seen from @Master Radishes tie em' up and let it rand.

There are some moments here where falcon treats SoA with a bit of a sharp edge. I am inclined to temper any assessment of that given that falcon's M.O. is to treat everyone with a sharp edge. It doesn't seem to lead anywhere of note. You'll see that between 14 Sep and 16 Sep, falcon's perception of SoA shifts from "not worthy of the POE, Dizzy goes in over him" to "in the POE". That splits around the Lime Coke mischop. The last sentence of the last post emerges again; I mentioned it when assessing falcon/Dolby. It'd be kinda funny if he encouraged a tie between his teammates given that he literally wouldn't care which one goes. I won't speculate too much. This stuff is overall kinda wet fish.

From Son of Anarch

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Son of Anarch wrote: ↑Sat Sep 11, 2021 12:48 pm Hey all. Just caught up on the thread, some thoughts below

VVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVV

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Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Sat Sep 11, 2021 7:38 am
Son of Anarch wrote: ↑Fri Sep 10, 2021 9:07 pm Oh and by the way, I was kinda thinkin' about this earlier.

Isn't it better for the fruit vendor to claim right away? Basically an IC, yeah? Could have me (the watcher) go on 'em too. I know it's delayed mechanics and all, but still useful as long as I'm not killed.

And for everyone's efforts on this page, I'm gonna slap a small townread on all of you good folk right away. I'm warning ya though, my mind changes easily, but gettin' good vibes from this crowd. I like Jimmy's idea too, about Stayposi being naturally on guard about his early buddy-buddy with her. He seems like a good player, so I think her being naturally curious about all of that is pretty nice as far as ground zero reads go.
Hi, Son. Hope I can call you Son, cause I think that's kind of funny.

I just wanted to tell you that I'm currently single and looking to mingle. And I was wondering if you wanted to go on a date with me? It would entail peace and love and good things, and us never voting each other this game. You are town, and I am town. Let me know kk *squeaks and runs*
Hey there Dyslexicon. I'm lookin' forward to playing this game with you. Unfortunately, don't think my girlfriend would want me to be going on any dates with someone else so I'm gonna have to turn ya down there. And well... Can't promise you I'll never vote you this game, but I gotta say I like the free-flowing thought pattern you seem to be exhibiting here so I probably won't be votin' you any time soon unless you get on my bad side.he

sig wrote: ↑Sat Sep 11, 2021 10:00 am
Son of Anarch wrote: ↑Fri Sep 10, 2021 9:07 pm Oh and by the way, I was kinda thinkin' about this earlier.

Isn't it better for the fruit vendor to claim right away? Basically an IC, yeah? Could have me (the watcher) go on 'em too. I know it's delayed mechanics and all, but still useful as long as I'm not killed.

And for everyone's efforts on this page, I'm gonna slap a small townread on all of you good folk right away. I'm warning ya though, my mind changes easily, but gettin' good vibes from this crowd. I like Jimmy's idea too, about Stayposi being naturally on guard about his early buddy-buddy with her. He seems like a good player, so I think her being naturally curious about all of that is pretty nice as far as ground zero reads go.
Hate this post, I’m always against claiming earlier especially d1
Ya know, I'm thinkin' this response to me is actually kinda bad. It's one of your first posts and already you're sayin' you hate my posts because you're against the general philosophy of 'em instead of saying you just disagree with the approach. That's kinda something I think wolves are more prone to do. They'll try to magnify something that might not be agreeable and make it seem like the post is bad when in actuality it's just a disagreement in playstyle. But I'm a nice guy, so I'm gonna give you a chance.

@ShēpInWolfsClothing what about the post is bad other than your disagreement of it?
@TonyStarkPrime care to explain your townreads on sig and falcon? Gotta say I disagree with at least sig for reasons I describe up top, no real opinion on falcon as of yet.

And also why I'm on the subject:

@falcon45ca Why'd ya specifically call out that crowd with their townreads? I'd say there's been quite a few players this game that have been ridin' the town read train, includin' myself a bit.

Oh yeah and since it's been talked about a bit, I'm just gonna say that another reason I have Stayposi as town now is because while she's not postin' as much as the rest of us, her posts are pretty... "powerful" in a sense. I'd like to call it somethin' like high-impact posting. I'm willing to listen to Dyslexicon's opinion of course, but I don't think she's got scum vibes like some of the other people I've been talkin' about.

And another thing too that I noticed... I still kinda feel like Lime Coke is mirroring the thread. He seems almost scared to make strong statements and has even qualified a few of them like his townread on ilario. Dunno... think I'm just gettin' the vibe that he's a bit uncomfortable.

Son of Anarch wrote: ↑Sat Sep 11, 2021 12:52 pm
falcon45ca wrote: ↑Sat Sep 11, 2021 12:50 pm
Son of Anarch wrote: ↑Sat Sep 11, 2021 12:48 pm Hey all. Just caught up on the thread, some thoughts below

VVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVV

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Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Sat Sep 11, 2021 7:38 am
Son of Anarch wrote: ↑Fri Sep 10, 2021 9:07 pm Oh and by the way, I was kinda thinkin' about this earlier.

Isn't it better for the fruit vendor to claim right away? Basically an IC, yeah? Could have me (the watcher) go on 'em too. I know it's delayed mechanics and all, but still useful as long as I'm not killed.

And for everyone's efforts on this page, I'm gonna slap a small townread on all of you good folk right away. I'm warning ya though, my mind changes easily, but gettin' good vibes from this crowd. I like Jimmy's idea too, about Stayposi being naturally on guard about his early buddy-buddy with her. He seems like a good player, so I think her being naturally curious about all of that is pretty nice as far as ground zero reads go.
Hi, Son. Hope I can call you Son, cause I think that's kind of funny.

I just wanted to tell you that I'm currently single and looking to mingle. And I was wondering if you wanted to go on a date with me? It would entail peace and love and good things, and us never voting each other this game. You are town, and I am town. Let me know kk *squeaks and runs*
Hey there Dyslexicon. I'm lookin' forward to playing this game with you. Unfortunately, don't think my girlfriend would want me to be going on any dates with someone else so I'm gonna have to turn ya down there. And well... Can't promise you I'll never vote you this game, but I gotta say I like the free-flowing thought pattern you seem to be exhibiting here so I probably won't be votin' you any time soon unless you get on my bad side.he

sig wrote: ↑Sat Sep 11, 2021 10:00 am
Son of Anarch wrote: ↑Fri Sep 10, 2021 9:07 pm Oh and by the way, I was kinda thinkin' about this earlier.

Isn't it better for the fruit vendor to claim right away? Basically an IC, yeah? Could have me (the watcher) go on 'em too. I know it's delayed mechanics and all, but still useful as long as I'm not killed.

And for everyone's efforts on this page, I'm gonna slap a small townread on all of you good folk right away. I'm warning ya though, my mind changes easily, but gettin' good vibes from this crowd. I like Jimmy's idea too, about Stayposi being naturally on guard about his early buddy-buddy with her. He seems like a good player, so I think her being naturally curious about all of that is pretty nice as far as ground zero reads go.
Hate this post, I’m always against claiming earlier especially d1
Ya know, I'm thinkin' this response to me is actually kinda bad. It's one of your first posts and already you're sayin' you hate my posts because you're against the general philosophy of 'em instead of saying you just disagree with the approach. That's kinda something I think wolves are more prone to do. They'll try to magnify something that might not be agreeable and make it seem like the post is bad when in actuality it's just a disagreement in playstyle. But I'm a nice guy, so I'm gonna give you a chance.

@ShēpInWolfsClothing what about the post is bad other than your disagreement of it?
@TonyStarkPrime care to explain your townreads on sig and falcon? Gotta say I disagree with at least sig for reasons I describe up top, no real opinion on falcon as of yet.

And also why I'm on the subject:

@falcon45ca Why'd ya specifically call out that crowd with their townreads? I'd say there's been quite a few players this game that have been ridin' the town read train, includin' myself a bit.

Oh yeah and since it's been talked about a bit, I'm just gonna say that another reason I have Stayposi as town now is because while she's not postin' as much as the rest of us, her posts are pretty... "powerful" in a sense. I'd like to call it somethin' like high-impact posting. I'm willing to listen to Dyslexicon's opinion of course, but I don't think she's got scum vibes like some of the other people I've been talkin' about.

And another thing too that I noticed... I still kinda feel like Lime Coke is mirroring the thread. He seems almost scared to make strong statements and has even qualified a few of them like his townread on ilario. Dunno... think I'm just gettin' the vibe that he's a bit uncomfortable.
Who else has been posting huge town reads list? I'll puke all over their shoes too
Eh... When I wrote that post I was mostly thinkin' about Lime Coke and myself, but you responded to Lime Coke while I was writing and I didn't see it. So I guess that explains that. Just curious now about why you hate townreads so much?

Son of Anarch wrote: ↑Sat Sep 11, 2021 12:53 pm
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sat Sep 11, 2021 12:53 pm falcon has established a pretty deliberate “early town reads make me sick” reputation in recent memory. In this particular case I am not yet inclined to provide any credit for fitting into that very easy costume of self-built meta.

Need more.
So are you saying it's just for show or it's actually how he feels?

Son of Anarch wrote: ↑Sun Sep 12, 2021 10:36 am
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JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sun Sep 12, 2021 12:06 am Son of Anarch is an interesting case. I think that, on a holistic level, he looks pretty decent. There are some isolated moments where he might be a bit s t i l t e d though. I think I could even be reading him that way as a byproduct of his penchant for replacing the "ing" with " in' ". Replacin' as it were. I know that's dumb, but I'm just trying to make sense of a dumb concept like "stilted".

Still generally a town read, just with a bit more trepidation than some others have shown.
Hey Jimmy, I appreciate the town read n' all, even if it's comin' with some strings attached. Can ya maybe quote a post or two where ya feel I might be stilted?

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sun Sep 12, 2021 12:08 am
staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Sun Sep 12, 2021 12:03 am (perhaps i should be taking a closer look at my read on Son Of Anarch - i wrote him off as town almost immediately when i have no idea what his range is like or how competent of a wolf he is)
I was having this thought just a moment before I read your post. My current stance is that Son of A Narc is town and perfectly agreeable and a helpful voice in the thread. But he's also new to me, but clearly not new to the game, and a player in that position could very quickly and easily disarm us if they know what buttons to push.

This is not something I would take action on right now, but it is something I would be mindful of if the game begins to take a shape that we do not like.
Hey man, I'm tellin' you all to be scared of me I'm not scum this game, but I can tell you all that I'm not half-bad.

Dolby wrote: ↑Sun Sep 12, 2021 12:49 am
sig wrote: ↑Sat Sep 11, 2021 10:00 am
Son of Anarch wrote: ↑Fri Sep 10, 2021 9:07 pm Oh and by the way, I was kinda thinkin' about this earlier.

Isn't it better for the fruit vendor to claim right away? Basically an IC, yeah? Could have me (the watcher) go on 'em too. I know it's delayed mechanics and all, but still useful as long as I'm not killed.

And for everyone's efforts on this page, I'm gonna slap a small townread on all of you good folk right away. I'm warning ya though, my mind changes easily, but gettin' good vibes from this crowd. I like Jimmy's idea too, about Stayposi being naturally on guard about his early buddy-buddy with her. He seems like a good player, so I think her being naturally curious about all of that is pretty nice as far as ground zero reads go.
Hate this post, I’m always against claiming earlier especially d1
Weird callout. Especially since Anarch already established themselves as pro-mech claim where they claimed watcher. Just takes the call for fruit vendor to claim, which isn't bad, and strips away a past context which makes it look better.

Townreads Dizzy

Don't care about the response to the SPF stuff.

sig wrote: ↑Sat Sep 11, 2021 6:18 pm Also son of arch is just doing a very obvious omgus and salty that I disagree with others on his town rwae
would have to read for context

Basically the whole ISO is being defensive and talking about Anarch. I strongly dislike the sus on Anarch from sig, nor do I like that beyond the Dizzy toneread it's the only thing he's put out. There is space to improve since he hasn't backread but does not look good.
I appreciate your analysis here, Dolby. Keep sheepin' my reads and I'll take care of ya, although I gotta say, I kept confusin' you for ilario here because of the avatar.
I don't think any of the spoiled bits are that important and to be honest with you all, the quoting on this website is a bit difficult/hard to keep up, so I'm just gonna be talkin' about things without quotes and then if ya need me to quote for whatever reason, just ask me.

@ilario I think Marmot's recent posts are alright. It doesn't really sway me one way or the other. I guess you could say his posts are mostly safe, but not really that scummy t'me. I know that's kinda avoiding givin' a direct answer, but probably wouldn't feel comfortable labeling the dude one way or the other.

And Sloonei man, I honestly don't know what you're tryin' to say there. I get you don't want to enforce a read on Jimmy or make people think you have to follow your read, but I think from my perspective it seems pretty obvious that ya town read the guy. Reason bein' that you haven't really contested the triad idea, keep askin' leading questions that sorta attempt to guide people towards the read, and I don't think you'd give Jimmy this much thread control if ya thought the guy was scum, eh? So I don't get why you're makin' such a big deal about not givin' a read on him.

Dyslexicon had a good point earlier by the way. I know ya guys haven't ever played with me, but I think some of my posts here are pretty hard to fake as scum just in general. I'd listen to the good man here and town read me to make the game easier on you all Hah, but if you don't wanna that's okay too. I just wanna remind you all though that cowboys are good at catchin' criminals.

Also, I accept my place in the triad with you Ilario. I was readin' over your ISO earlier and I'm thinkin' you're just town. Reason being that I think some of your ideas and posts are just too whacky to be scum and your confidence is so fire. I know I said earlier confidence could be scum-indicative, but it's the kinda confidence that's enforced for the sake of pushin' the game along and not the kind of confidence I see a wolf present in order to be town read. Dyslexicon seems like a pretty cool dude as well, high-energy and all. Not that that makes someone town, but I've seen him present a few reads or push in a few directions that I feel like would be pretty ballsy to do, also everyone else seems to town read him and I doubt the whole thread would be wrong on that sorta read since he seems to be a regular on the site.

Here's a reads list for everyone's trouble by the way (it's not ordered between tiers):

Stayposi
Ilario
Jimmy
Dyslexicon
NAA

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Dolby
Sloonei
Marmot
Falcon

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G-man
Johanna

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Lime Coke
TSP

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sig

Son of Anarch wrote: ↑Sun Sep 12, 2021 5:14 pm
falcon45ca wrote: ↑Sun Sep 12, 2021 5:13 pm
Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Sun Sep 12, 2021 4:59 pm
falcon45ca wrote: ↑Sun Sep 12, 2021 4:55 pm [VOTE: Ilario] aubergine
This chop won't happen.
If you had to choose between the people having votes already, who would it be?
Also what's your thoughts on Sig?
Not with that kind of attitude.

GTH sig is town
What’s he done to “earn” your town read?

Son of Anarch wrote: ↑Sun Sep 12, 2021 5:15 pm Gotta agree with whoever said Falcon Man is being contrarian for the sake of contrarian. That read has me a bit puzzled compared to the other ones.

Son of Anarch wrote: ↑Sun Sep 12, 2021 5:18 pm
Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Sun Sep 12, 2021 5:17 pm [VOTE: Falcon] aubergine
Now this might just be the spice I was talkin’ about

Son of Anarch wrote: ↑Sun Sep 12, 2021 5:21 pm Alright Dizzy, I’m game.

[VOTE: Falcon Man] aubergine

Son of Anarch wrote: ↑Sun Sep 12, 2021 5:25 pm A new triad emerges. Me, Dizzy, and Stayposi. I dub us the falcon killers

Son of Anarch wrote: ↑Mon Sep 13, 2021 7:22 pm Ah man, can't say I'm stoked about that at all. My Internet was down until around this aftenoon so backreadin' wasn't really possible for me. I'm gonna say though that I still think Falcon Man's EOD wasn't the greatest and I'd like to hear some of the other thoughts on that.

Another interestin' thing is that if SPF is poisoned that might reflect well on the triad 'cause they were kinda all huddlin' together, yeah? Normally if you're tryin' to pocket someone you don't kill them. That's just a basic read though.

Son of Anarch wrote: ↑Mon Sep 13, 2021 7:37 pm
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Mon Sep 13, 2021 7:33 pm I just ran through the end of the day and frankly found it meaningless. That doesn't necessarily mean the posts cannot be assessed meaningfully, but that's why I don't care to play ketchup. The thread becomes a contextless void to me.

Would anyone be able to describe for me, as you saw it, the progression of events/posts/whatever that caused falcon to become a wagon? I poked in here and there when my phone was dying and saw votes on him, but had no context in the moment.
It's simple. Falcon Man at end of day voted Ilario, when my pal Dizzy told him no one was gonna vote Ilario he basically said that "you never know". Then when me and Dizzy gave him the ol' 1-2 vote and Stayposi joined in, he accused two of us of bein' mafia. One being me, as he scum read me earlier and the other person bein'... TBD... I don't think he ever clarified who the second scum on him was. So that gave me the confidence to just hold my vote and to watch what happened.

Son of Anarch wrote: ↑Tue Sep 14, 2021 12:03 am
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Mon Sep 13, 2021 11:59 pm
Son of Anarch wrote: ↑Mon Sep 13, 2021 11:57 pm If someone could ask me a few questions or somethin' to help me get on some sorta track that'd be swell
What would you say has changed most about your view of the game, if anything, since sig flipped town?
To be fully honest, not that much. I think Sloonei got a little scummier to me 'cause I didn't like the way he was handlin' the discussion between me and sig. I think it's kinda weird how we had more than one person sayin' sig was explicitly town rather than sayin' he should have more time to post, I already find Falcon Man to be the most suspicious on that list to start with. Other than that, I'm not super shocked the dude flipped town. I'd need to examine the wagon too because there's probably at least one wolf on there considerin' how votes went. Overall, still feelin' pretty good about game and game state.

Son of Anarch wrote: ↑Thu Sep 16, 2021 10:38 pm
falcon45ca wrote: ↑Thu Sep 16, 2021 10:36 pm JJJ, Ilario, Dolby, SOA

That's a good POE
What are the chances this is 4 town?

Okay, so a few notes:

SoA's first few interactions with falcon are pretty neutral stuff and not suggestive of much. So it's noteworthy that SoA placed falcon in the second-highest tier of his reads list, suggesting some level of town read. That is immediately countered in the posts that follow with assertions of doubt, piggybacked from things other people said (e.g. "falcon is overly contrarian"). We see that SoA took an anti-falcon stance toward the end of Day 1, and dubbed his triad with Dizzy and ilario as "the falcon killers".

Then he didn't post again on Day 1. That was 1.5 hours prior to the deadline, and he didn't make another falcon-related post. He didn't make another post AT ALL. The leader of the falcon killers, or at least their namer, didn't do anything to make that name a reality. He did leave his vote on falcon, but I think it was evident to the people in the game that sig was most likely to be eliminated. So I award zero points, and kinda think it looks worse.

In the time that has followed EOD1 SoA's presence has taken a nosedive, so he's had no impact on matters of falcon or otherwise.

~~~

Do they fit?

Yes, I think they fit. They might even fit well given SoA's EOD1, but I am not as confident about this one as I was about Dolby/SoA.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Fri Sep 17, 2021 9:20 pm Do G-Man and Son of Anarch fit together as mafia teammates?

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From G-Man

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G-Man wrote: ↑Tue Sep 14, 2021 10:44 pm SOA
-39: experienced player- no passes needed (come at me?)
-41: can’t describe own play style? Odd.
-61: seeking pat on the head or open fishing- don’t force the lure
-63: “interesting” and agreeable
-88: over-equipped try-hard
-148: a bit Mac-like? Hard to pin this personality down
-355: speaking of magnifying things…
-453: feels like too much to explain what it does
-511: lol, come at me bro
-529: difference of cultures i hope
-542: a bit know-it-allish but also a lot of work if a baddie
-1057: don’t complicate the game? You need to think twisty early, just don’t overthink
-1103: “someone inspire me to make contributions”

G-Man wrote: ↑Tue Sep 14, 2021 11:58 pmSOA
The country-boy schtick takes some getting used to. He started out the game pretty confident- almost overconfident at times. At the same time, his early content seemed a bit too agreeable. Maybe not glommy, but agreeable for sure. He is another one that I feel gets a bit too explainy at times, which gives me pause. I don't need a perfect answer each time. Perfect is the enemy of the good. This post goes against my philosophy of trying to think like a baddie and outwit the sneaky plan you might not otherwise see coming. Some of his D1 work seemed a little much for a baddie, but perhaps he's just that confident in his game.

G-Man wrote: ↑Wed Sep 15, 2021 12:10 am Transferring all that to solidify a 6-and-6 format, I arrive at these groupings (alphabetical order, not ranked):

TOWN:
-Dolby
-Dyslexicon
-Marmot
-NotAnAxehole
-Sloonei
-TonyStarkPrime

POE:
-Falcon
-Ilario
-JaggedJimmyJay
-Johanna
-Lime Coke
-SOA

G-Man found a lot of posts to criticize regarding SoA, and stated pretty clear suspicions in the larger reads list with some faint qualifiers. He then included SoA in his POE.

He has done absolutely nothing with that since. Yikes.

From Son of Anarch

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Son of Anarch wrote: ↑Sun Sep 12, 2021 10:36 am
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JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sun Sep 12, 2021 12:06 am Son of Anarch is an interesting case. I think that, on a holistic level, he looks pretty decent. There are some isolated moments where he might be a bit s t i l t e d though. I think I could even be reading him that way as a byproduct of his penchant for replacing the "ing" with " in' ". Replacin' as it were. I know that's dumb, but I'm just trying to make sense of a dumb concept like "stilted".

Still generally a town read, just with a bit more trepidation than some others have shown.
Hey Jimmy, I appreciate the town read n' all, even if it's comin' with some strings attached. Can ya maybe quote a post or two where ya feel I might be stilted?

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sun Sep 12, 2021 12:08 am
staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Sun Sep 12, 2021 12:03 am (perhaps i should be taking a closer look at my read on Son Of Anarch - i wrote him off as town almost immediately when i have no idea what his range is like or how competent of a wolf he is)
I was having this thought just a moment before I read your post. My current stance is that Son of A Narc is town and perfectly agreeable and a helpful voice in the thread. But he's also new to me, but clearly not new to the game, and a player in that position could very quickly and easily disarm us if they know what buttons to push.

This is not something I would take action on right now, but it is something I would be mindful of if the game begins to take a shape that we do not like.
Hey man, I'm tellin' you all to be scared of me I'm not scum this game, but I can tell you all that I'm not half-bad.

Dolby wrote: ↑Sun Sep 12, 2021 12:49 am
sig wrote: ↑Sat Sep 11, 2021 10:00 am
Son of Anarch wrote: ↑Fri Sep 10, 2021 9:07 pm Oh and by the way, I was kinda thinkin' about this earlier.

Isn't it better for the fruit vendor to claim right away? Basically an IC, yeah? Could have me (the watcher) go on 'em too. I know it's delayed mechanics and all, but still useful as long as I'm not killed.

And for everyone's efforts on this page, I'm gonna slap a small townread on all of you good folk right away. I'm warning ya though, my mind changes easily, but gettin' good vibes from this crowd. I like Jimmy's idea too, about Stayposi being naturally on guard about his early buddy-buddy with her. He seems like a good player, so I think her being naturally curious about all of that is pretty nice as far as ground zero reads go.
Hate this post, I’m always against claiming earlier especially d1
Weird callout. Especially since Anarch already established themselves as pro-mech claim where they claimed watcher. Just takes the call for fruit vendor to claim, which isn't bad, and strips away a past context which makes it look better.

Townreads Dizzy

Don't care about the response to the SPF stuff.

sig wrote: ↑Sat Sep 11, 2021 6:18 pm Also son of arch is just doing a very obvious omgus and salty that I disagree with others on his town rwae
would have to read for context

Basically the whole ISO is being defensive and talking about Anarch. I strongly dislike the sus on Anarch from sig, nor do I like that beyond the Dizzy toneread it's the only thing he's put out. There is space to improve since he hasn't backread but does not look good.
I appreciate your analysis here, Dolby. Keep sheepin' my reads and I'll take care of ya, although I gotta say, I kept confusin' you for ilario here because of the avatar.
I don't think any of the spoiled bits are that important and to be honest with you all, the quoting on this website is a bit difficult/hard to keep up, so I'm just gonna be talkin' about things without quotes and then if ya need me to quote for whatever reason, just ask me.

@ilario I think Marmot's recent posts are alright. It doesn't really sway me one way or the other. I guess you could say his posts are mostly safe, but not really that scummy t'me. I know that's kinda avoiding givin' a direct answer, but probably wouldn't feel comfortable labeling the dude one way or the other.

And Sloonei man, I honestly don't know what you're tryin' to say there. I get you don't want to enforce a read on Jimmy or make people think you have to follow your read, but I think from my perspective it seems pretty obvious that ya town read the guy. Reason bein' that you haven't really contested the triad idea, keep askin' leading questions that sorta attempt to guide people towards the read, and I don't think you'd give Jimmy this much thread control if ya thought the guy was scum, eh? So I don't get why you're makin' such a big deal about not givin' a read on him.

Dyslexicon had a good point earlier by the way. I know ya guys haven't ever played with me, but I think some of my posts here are pretty hard to fake as scum just in general. I'd listen to the good man here and town read me to make the game easier on you all Hah, but if you don't wanna that's okay too. I just wanna remind you all though that cowboys are good at catchin' criminals.

Also, I accept my place in the triad with you Ilario. I was readin' over your ISO earlier and I'm thinkin' you're just town. Reason being that I think some of your ideas and posts are just too whacky to be scum and your confidence is so fire. I know I said earlier confidence could be scum-indicative, but it's the kinda confidence that's enforced for the sake of pushin' the game along and not the kind of confidence I see a wolf present in order to be town read. Dyslexicon seems like a pretty cool dude as well, high-energy and all. Not that that makes someone town, but I've seen him present a few reads or push in a few directions that I feel like would be pretty ballsy to do, also everyone else seems to town read him and I doubt the whole thread would be wrong on that sorta read since he seems to be a regular on the site.

Here's a reads list for everyone's trouble by the way (it's not ordered between tiers):

Stayposi
Ilario
Jimmy
Dyslexicon
NAA

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Dolby
Sloonei
Marmot
Falcon

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G-man
Johanna

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Lime Coke
TSP

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sig

Son of Anarch wrote: ↑Tue Sep 14, 2021 5:58 pm I don't know if the Johanna, ilario, Dolby, G-Man team works though. That's all three of the 0-posters day 1 in one team, which seems unlikely. Although not impossible I guess due to how thread felt before they started postin'

That's it. G-Man makes the first reads list in the bottom five. Not a single sliver of follow-up except to tell me that my solve including G-Man should be doubted. Yikes.

~~~

Do they fit?

Yikes. They fit plenty. They fit bad.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Fri Sep 17, 2021 9:30 pm Do Johanna and Son of Anarch fit together as mafia teammates?

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From Johanna

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Johanna wrote: ↑Tue Sep 14, 2021 5:57 am I know I said falcon is probably my #1 suspect but that's largely a function of not really having any. As I said, the ones who've made posts that struck me as odd in a bad way are Lime Coke and SoA.
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I'd like to call him Limey.
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But that'd be rude.
TSP definitely posted oddly, but not knowing them at all and given the consistency of it I am happy to chalk it up to posting style. Suggesting that a vt claim watcher was fantastic,
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Thanks Marmot, I forgot that over the night.
they defended someone who was basically tilted for their entire stay on thread and thus were an easy mischop. It was not clear then and I'm not sure why he didn't say his clear was based on meta, but he was right, and his D2 so far just makes him townier.

I hate how NAA is playing but I don't see reason to characterise that as scummy. Confrontational and antagonising, sure. Again I chalk it up to posting style, although in this case I don't think there are reasons to towncore him. Neither are there reasons to suspect him.

So falcon. Yeah, I don't have reasons to think he's a wolf per se, either, and especially now that it's become apparent he's not very well caught up. In my experience, wolves are just as often boldly pushing names as they are cute and cuddly,
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I mean, they are. falcon's main D1 point doesn't really hold.
but what they try to do is to be up to date.

I don't think I can in good conscience vote for a 2-poster. Nobody can say whether they're scum or not based on two posts. So you know, I'm not reading that slot, but it is true that if they don't show up soon they'll have to be up for the chop. I'm just saying give them a chance to show up.

That's the most questionable bit about NAA, his easy-going willingness to lock wolfreads on nothing but literal thin air.

Johanna wrote: ↑Mon Sep 13, 2021 7:24 pm I think the worst posts of yesterday were Lime's burst, although NAI, and SonofAnarch's "you mean you think our interation is t/t" post, which was awkward.

However the more consistently not so great person is falcon. I like some of the things he said and he raised some valid points (like pointing out said weird SoA post), but it is true that he is mostly being contrarian and that's easy to fake.

A priori he seems a good wolf candidate as someone with some thread presence who gets noticed but not a lot of attention.

I am actually intrigued by TSP. Either he was TMIng sig or he just had the right idea. I lean towards the second, at least for now.

Generally I think there have been bad posts and people with bizarre moments but nobody who has been overtly or outright scummy. Kind of glad I got to avoid having to make a bad choice, although I think I would have leant falcon. There has to be at least one wolf in the towncore (why not two) but I wouldn't know where to look.

Also, I kow understand why Dyslexicon gets abbreviated to Dizzy instead of Dys. That was too many posts...

Johanna wrote: ↑Mon Sep 13, 2021 7:38 pm
falcon45ca wrote: ↑Mon Sep 13, 2021 7:34 pm
Johanna wrote: ↑Mon Sep 13, 2021 7:24 pm I think the worst posts of yesterday were Lime's burst, although NAI, and SonofAnarch's "you mean you think our interation is t/t" post, which was awkward.

However the more consistently not so great person is falcon. I like some of the things he said and he raised some valid points (like pointing out said weird SoA post), but it is true that he is mostly being contrarian and that's easy to fake.

A priori he seems a good wolf candidate as someone with some thread presence who gets noticed but not a lot of attention.

I am actually intrigued by TSP. Either he was TMIng sig or he just had the right idea. I lean towards the second, at least for now.

Generally I think there have been bad posts and people with bizarre moments but nobody who has been overtly or outright scummy. Kind of glad I got to avoid having to make a bad choice, although I think I would have leant falcon. There has to be at least one wolf in the towncore (why not two) but I wouldn't know where to look.

Also, I kow understand why Dyslexicon gets abbreviated to Dizzy instead of Dys. That was too many posts...
This is one of those posts that doesn't say much with a whole lot of words.
Well I guess I lied, SoA would be my first suspect for a deepwolf precisely because of that weird post. They were pretty good for the rest of the day though, so I wouldn't jump there immediately.

Johanna wrote: ↑Tue Sep 14, 2021 11:33 am I think I've said lots of things.

If what you want is reads I think SoA and Lime Coke are probably the most dubious consensus town reads, Dolby is a good bean so I want to see him around more, and I don't have anything to judge G-Man by.

TSP and SPF are my lock townreads, then JJJ, you (Sloonei), Dizzy, probably NAA goes here, Ilario, Dolby, Limey/SoA, falcon, I have no read on G-Man... and I completely forgot Marmot existed. Is that normal?
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It can't be normal

Johanna wrote: ↑Fri Sep 17, 2021 5:05 am I think as stated yesterday, that JJJ and Sloonei are always the same alignment. Therefore, JJJ town.

Why is TSP alive is my biggest question. I'm not chopping an uncontested claim but still. I briefly voted G-Man after Dizzy's claim but I'm on No Vote as I try to sort out my thoughts.

I think in my first catch up post I already indicated SoA as a most likely wolf in the D1 towncore and D2 did not alleviate those suspicions so I am very happy to go there.

I always want to see more of Dolby, I stil feel like I haven't seen enough from him but I might need to bow to the consensus that he should be chopped.

I am very flip floppy on Falcon. He often feels performative but he also has many posts that ring honest.

I do not know G-Man.

I feel like J's PoE might contain up to three wolves rather than all four, but I really can't say who the fourth would be and who in the PoE would not be a wolf I think there's reasonable doubt on all of them to scum read them but also there is very little certainty.

Finally, I'm off
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to watch Dune.

Johanna wrote: ↑Fri Sep 17, 2021 5:06 am Anyway, I'm voting [VOTE: SonofAnarch] aubergine for now.

Johanna wrote: ↑Fri Sep 17, 2021 2:49 pm
Marmot wrote: ↑Fri Sep 17, 2021 2:46 pm I don't know if I'm ready to call G-Man scum yet. I think he was put in an unfair position to work out of given his inability to participate at all Day 1, and his presumably limited time to contribute since.

That said, I'd prefer a yeet of Son of Anarch, Dolby, or falcon, not necessarily in that order. I think they all have a lot more working against them based on their own behavior.
My preferred chop is SoA, but I'm not going to go on a vanity wagon. I share your same concerns and I have voiced them repeatedly.

Johanna wrote: ↑Fri Sep 17, 2021 3:15 pm [VOTE: Son of Anarch] aubergine

Johanna's immediate reception of SoA when she joined the game was a negative one, albeit vaguely so. She didn't promote his demise necessarily, though she is clearly doing so on Day 3. I wouldn't say this is super conclusive, but if it points anywhere it points toward non-alignment.

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Son of Anarch wrote: ↑Sun Sep 12, 2021 10:36 am
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JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sun Sep 12, 2021 12:06 am Son of Anarch is an interesting case. I think that, on a holistic level, he looks pretty decent. There are some isolated moments where he might be a bit s t i l t e d though. I think I could even be reading him that way as a byproduct of his penchant for replacing the "ing" with " in' ". Replacin' as it were. I know that's dumb, but I'm just trying to make sense of a dumb concept like "stilted".

Still generally a town read, just with a bit more trepidation than some others have shown.
Hey Jimmy, I appreciate the town read n' all, even if it's comin' with some strings attached. Can ya maybe quote a post or two where ya feel I might be stilted?

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sun Sep 12, 2021 12:08 am
staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Sun Sep 12, 2021 12:03 am (perhaps i should be taking a closer look at my read on Son Of Anarch - i wrote him off as town almost immediately when i have no idea what his range is like or how competent of a wolf he is)
I was having this thought just a moment before I read your post. My current stance is that Son of A Narc is town and perfectly agreeable and a helpful voice in the thread. But he's also new to me, but clearly not new to the game, and a player in that position could very quickly and easily disarm us if they know what buttons to push.

This is not something I would take action on right now, but it is something I would be mindful of if the game begins to take a shape that we do not like.
Hey man, I'm tellin' you all to be scared of me I'm not scum this game, but I can tell you all that I'm not half-bad.

Dolby wrote: ↑Sun Sep 12, 2021 12:49 am
sig wrote: ↑Sat Sep 11, 2021 10:00 am
Son of Anarch wrote: ↑Fri Sep 10, 2021 9:07 pm Oh and by the way, I was kinda thinkin' about this earlier.

Isn't it better for the fruit vendor to claim right away? Basically an IC, yeah? Could have me (the watcher) go on 'em too. I know it's delayed mechanics and all, but still useful as long as I'm not killed.

And for everyone's efforts on this page, I'm gonna slap a small townread on all of you good folk right away. I'm warning ya though, my mind changes easily, but gettin' good vibes from this crowd. I like Jimmy's idea too, about Stayposi being naturally on guard about his early buddy-buddy with her. He seems like a good player, so I think her being naturally curious about all of that is pretty nice as far as ground zero reads go.
Hate this post, I’m always against claiming earlier especially d1
Weird callout. Especially since Anarch already established themselves as pro-mech claim where they claimed watcher. Just takes the call for fruit vendor to claim, which isn't bad, and strips away a past context which makes it look better.

Townreads Dizzy

Don't care about the response to the SPF stuff.

sig wrote: ↑Sat Sep 11, 2021 6:18 pm Also son of arch is just doing a very obvious omgus and salty that I disagree with others on his town rwae
would have to read for context

Basically the whole ISO is being defensive and talking about Anarch. I strongly dislike the sus on Anarch from sig, nor do I like that beyond the Dizzy toneread it's the only thing he's put out. There is space to improve since he hasn't backread but does not look good.
I appreciate your analysis here, Dolby. Keep sheepin' my reads and I'll take care of ya, although I gotta say, I kept confusin' you for ilario here because of the avatar.
I don't think any of the spoiled bits are that important and to be honest with you all, the quoting on this website is a bit difficult/hard to keep up, so I'm just gonna be talkin' about things without quotes and then if ya need me to quote for whatever reason, just ask me.

@ilario I think Marmot's recent posts are alright. It doesn't really sway me one way or the other. I guess you could say his posts are mostly safe, but not really that scummy t'me. I know that's kinda avoiding givin' a direct answer, but probably wouldn't feel comfortable labeling the dude one way or the other.

And Sloonei man, I honestly don't know what you're tryin' to say there. I get you don't want to enforce a read on Jimmy or make people think you have to follow your read, but I think from my perspective it seems pretty obvious that ya town read the guy. Reason bein' that you haven't really contested the triad idea, keep askin' leading questions that sorta attempt to guide people towards the read, and I don't think you'd give Jimmy this much thread control if ya thought the guy was scum, eh? So I don't get why you're makin' such a big deal about not givin' a read on him.

Dyslexicon had a good point earlier by the way. I know ya guys haven't ever played with me, but I think some of my posts here are pretty hard to fake as scum just in general. I'd listen to the good man here and town read me to make the game easier on you all Hah, but if you don't wanna that's okay too. I just wanna remind you all though that cowboys are good at catchin' criminals.

Also, I accept my place in the triad with you Ilario. I was readin' over your ISO earlier and I'm thinkin' you're just town. Reason being that I think some of your ideas and posts are just too whacky to be scum and your confidence is so fire. I know I said earlier confidence could be scum-indicative, but it's the kinda confidence that's enforced for the sake of pushin' the game along and not the kind of confidence I see a wolf present in order to be town read. Dyslexicon seems like a pretty cool dude as well, high-energy and all. Not that that makes someone town, but I've seen him present a few reads or push in a few directions that I feel like would be pretty ballsy to do, also everyone else seems to town read him and I doubt the whole thread would be wrong on that sorta read since he seems to be a regular on the site.

Here's a reads list for everyone's trouble by the way (it's not ordered between tiers):

Stayposi
Ilario
Jimmy
Dyslexicon
NAA

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Dolby
Sloonei
Marmot
Falcon

-------

G-man
Johanna

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Lime Coke
TSP

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Son of Anarch wrote: ↑Mon Sep 13, 2021 7:43 pm Hey you know what, I appreciate the compliment Johanna. Callin' me a potential deep wolf is pretty flatterin', but I dunno if I have it in me to deceive all you nice folk the way I have been.

Son of Anarch wrote: ↑Mon Sep 13, 2021 8:17 pm Eh... If I had t'pick 4 people. Now that's really tough, but I'm gonna say right now it'd have to be...

Dizzy
Jimmy
Ilario

and for the fourth... I'm not too certain here. Maybe someone I haven't looked into too much but got good vibes from like Dolby or heck, even Johanna. That might be jumpin' the gun though. I think I'll slot Dolby in there.

Son of Anarch wrote: ↑Tue Sep 14, 2021 5:58 pm I don't know if the Johanna, ilario, Dolby, G-Man team works though. That's all three of the 0-posters day 1 in one team, which seems unlikely. Although not impossible I guess due to how thread felt before they started postin'

Johanna opens in the SoA bottom five. That seems to undergo a stark change on Day 2, when she is a sort of "first alternate" on SoA's top town reads list just behind Dolby. The progression isn't there, and I tend to wonder if SoA gave up on the prospect of suspecting her given her general purity and improving thread presence. Take that with a grain of salt.

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Do they fit?

I do wish I had a little more to talk about here. I think it looks okay from the SoA side and a little better than okay from the Johanna side with respect to dissociating the two of them, so that is where I will lean.

These (and Ilario's) are helpful to have again. Thanks. Jimmy would have gotten a little more from me on SOA had the thread not hammered early yesterday. I'm interested in seeing how he re-ranks all these (if at all) coming out of the flip and any other legwork he's put in on it since then.

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Sun Sep 19, 2021 3:19 pm
G-Man wrote: ↑Sun Sep 19, 2021 3:16 pmThis makes it sound like both of you want the fruit vendor (if not TSP) to claim and likely get chopped just to verify TSP's claim.
Yes.
If you are fruit vendor, you know TSP is scum, and by not claiming, you're making a huge mistake.
Are you fruit vendor?

There's also no guarantee that TSP is scum by claiming fruit vendor if he really isn't. Civvies often counter-claim (or really multi-claim) to shield the real power role, like what you did with the watcher role. We won't learn that alibi unless someone counters Tony, I get that. If Tony is not really the fruit vendor, then he should probably rescind his claim now too, right?

No, I am not the fruit vendor. Like I said when you fake-claimed watcher, the only power role I could be is the sleepwalker, but I have no way of knowing if I am.

Marmot wrote: ↑Sun Sep 19, 2021 3:07 pm Well, if someone claims fruit vendor today

1) That was a mistake to wait until today

2) I'm voting for them immediately

We have little margin for error, I agree G-Man. But we also can't just ignore it if someone claims. If TSP is actually mafia and not the real fruit vendor, we lose if they don't claim (or we wait until they flip from a nightkill or something)

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Sun Sep 19, 2021 3:08 pm You absolutely HAVE TO CLAIM if you are fruit vendor.

This makes it sound like both of you want the fruit vendor (if not TSP) to claim and likely get chopped just to verify TSP's claim. Just because there is no counter-claim for fruit vendor doesn't necessarily mean that TSP is confirmed. He's still going to just be the presumed fruit vendor. I get where your minds are running with this, as a counterclaim now would force us to reevaluate and possibly reform the POE. I just think the day will be more constructive if we try to pick apart the known baddie's ISO rather than sweating over the neutered fruit vendor.

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Sun Sep 19, 2021 2:51 pm
G-Man wrote: ↑Sun Sep 19, 2021 2:45 pmLINKI: The trouble with fruit vendor is that it's now a claim that's impossible to vet (short of a chop) with Sloonei's death. I don't know that any counterclaims will really push the game forward, especially since Sloonei already claimed whom he targeted. That's easy to work around now.
There is no trouble. There is a known fruit vendor in the game. TSP has claimed it. If anyone else has the role, they must 100% come out and say it.

That would present a distraction though, when we can be analyzing SOA's ISO for breadcrumbs and clues. Anyone claiming fruit vendor now is just going to set up a battle between two players that can only be vetted by chopping one or the other. I think too much information has hit the thread for us to try to reason out the veracity of a counterclaim.

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Sun Sep 19, 2021 2:33 pm
G-Man wrote: ↑Sun Sep 19, 2021 2:29 pmThe big frustration I have with SOA still is that there are posts where he writes quite a bit to say not very much. It keeps his post count up and looks like he's contributing, but after half of his ISO, I dreaded seeing any of his posts with two or more big paragraphs. It feels like filler and I don't like it.

POST-FLIP REVISIT (I fell asleep around 10:30 this morning)- Wow, he came into D3 all squirmy and desperate. Sorry I missed it.
Who's next in line for you?

The first name to cross my lips is Falcon, since he's been in my POE the longest out of him and Dolby. Falcon has been long on name-dropping, but short on reasons for tr and sus.

Maybe we ought to do another round of trustfall and distrustfall?

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Sun Sep 19, 2021 2:38 pm Like, if anyone else has the Fruit Vendor role, the time to cc was a long time ago

LINKI: The trouble with fruit vendor is that it's now a claim that's impossible to vet (short of a chop) with Sloonei's death. I don't know that any counterclaims will really push the game forward, especially since Sloonei already claimed whom he targeted. That's easy to work around now.

TonyStarkPrime continues to be someone that I struggle to read. I think his body of work here in this game comes across as more civ for me, but I can't help but tinfoil a little bit. He fits into that sort of "*shrug* town" slot that could could be a smart baddie. The fact that Sloonei didn't blast Tony as a parting gift to the town makes me feel just good enough to elevate him above a null read. Even reading through his ISO post-flip, I don't think I picked up on anything that might connect him to SOA.

Tweaking my previous groupings based on my latest ISO readthroughs leaves me with these tiers:

Bet The Game On Them Being Town:
-Dizzy
-Marmot

MOST LIKELY TOWN
-NAA

TOWN ENOUGH, BUT MINOR TINFOIL CONCERN:
-Ilario
-Tony

TINFOIL-LEVEL BADDIE SUS
-JJJ
-Johanna

PRETTY SURE YOU'RE JUST BAD
-Dolby
-Falcon

Now I need to read through SOA's ISO again. At least this time I know that all his verbosity was an attempt at baddie cover.

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And in light of JJJ's poisoning, I have to modify that list again. JJJ would never allow teammates to off him or themselves in this sort of scenario just for the mindscrew after losing a member the day before. Keep your numbers advantage in a game this tilted in the mafia's favor from the get-go. I guess JJJ was just the least-threatening member of the triad.

This is what I was working on Saturday morning while [REDACTED BECAUSE RL EXCUSES DON'T CUT IT AT THIS POINT]. I checked the game thread after finishing my SOA review (likely story, right?) and saw that you folks went for the hammer. Good that we got a baddie, but the new timing for EOD really sucks becuase [REDACTED BECAUSE RL EXCUSES DON'T CUT IT AT THIS POINT]. I can only guarantee my availability through tonight. Anyway, my ISO results:

Tough-talking, stick-waving NAA hasn't changed in my mind. He's abbrasive but also productive with his jabs. I can't say he's my third person to bet the game on, but he's as close to a third that I've got right now. The way he has appraoched, trolled, and needled JJJ seems like something that a baddie wouldn't do if they have teammates who have experience with Jay. The fact that Jay hasn't completely launched into NAA and cut him down to size tells me that Jay doesn't find any of it to be so contrived or over-the-top that he sees the framwork of fabrication.

The big frustration I have with SOA still is that there are posts where he writes quite a bit to say not very much. It keeps his post count up and looks like he's contributing, but after half of his ISO, I dreaded seeing any of his posts with two or more big paragraphs. It feels like filler and I don't like it.

POST-FLIP REVISIT (I fell asleep around 10:30 this morning)- Wow, he came into D3 all squirmy and desperate. Sorry I missed it.

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Fri Sep 17, 2021 10:33 pm
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Fri Sep 17, 2021 10:03 pm
falcon45ca wrote: ↑Fri Sep 17, 2021 9:52 pm @JaggedJimmyJay You've got myself, SoA, Dolby, Gman, and Ilario in a POE of 5?

How are our POEs so similar, yet feel so different? Why does it feel like we're talking right past each other?

Why can't we find each other as town?
I suppose the first thing that would help me if you’re town is to understand how you derived your POE pool. If you’ve chalked up others as town, could you just quickly summarize what inspired those reads? I don’t need a ton.
Can you be more specific? Like, I feel its clear from my ISO why I suspect the players I do.

I've given why I TR NAA, Sloon (before getting poisoned), and Marmot. Are you asking about if I have other TRs beyond them?

It's hard for me to see Johanna as Maf. She feels like she's earnestly trying to solve the game, not steer or direct it. Ditto Dizzy. They both feel genuine in their approach and their reads feel like they're the product of genuine reflection on players and their interactions.

TSP actually I've not really paid attention to. Between the claim, or lack of thread presence...GTH I'd say he's town as well, cuz' he often pushes my mislynch when he's Maf

That's great that you can provide reasons for townreading people, but you need to form some reasons for why your POE is your POE beyond "I don't townread them" and post that. Why is each person in your POE suspicious enough to be considered for today's chop? Maybe everyone should do that too. Fun exercise.

Time for me to go for the night, but I wanted to share some base thoughts on NAA, SOA, and TSP. I still need to comb through their ISOs tomorrow.

NAA: Man do I still get the Mac vibes. Such a pure comparison in my mind, and I remember never giving Mac the benefit of the doubt for at least a year or more. I don't want to make the same mistake and brand NAA someone to be dealt with, but I also need to remember that just because NAA gives me Mac vibes doesn't mean I should grant him any of the grace that I denied Mac early on.

SOA: I don't remember any of his D2 content. I need to hit his ISO hard tomorrow.

TSP: Same as SOA- nothing he's done recently stands out in my mind. I remember there being a claim, but was that Day 1 or early Day 2? I don't like losing sight of players.

Now about my vote. As it stands right now, it's 3-2-3 between Dolby, me, and SOA. I'm inclined to withhold my vote for now because:

1) I haven't finished ISOing, so I don't have everyone sorted into new groupings yet.

2) Voting for someone not on these three wagons doesn't appear to have merit just yet, and it just has a gross taste to it to me.

3) With four baddies alive and well, I don't want to nudge any train any further to the hammer point. I doubt the baddies would be so bold with two mischops still needed, but I'm not inclined to take any chances.

I'm voting No Vote for now to make my vote visually accounted for. I think that leaves SOA as the only vote unaccounted for.

Trusting Marmot doesn't come easily for me because I got burned bad by him once or twice before, but I struggle to find anything in his ISO that gives me the heebie-jeebies. Between him and Dizzy, I guess that gives me 2/3 of my bet-the-game-on-them triad.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Fri Sep 17, 2021 10:09 pm @G-Man current feelings about Son of Anarch?

True story: I haven't thought much about him because he goes AWOL for long stretches. I know- I'm one to talk.

But Jay, can you help me out a little. I glanced through your teammate analyses enough to see where you think people fit and don't fit. Thanks for summing it up in another spreadsheet graphic.

Are the progressions behind your spoiler tags? (sorry, ISOing so I didn't click to open the tags yet)

Do you explain the shift from yellow to orange for SOA to Dolby and to me? Same question for the shift from light green to yellow between falcon and SOA?

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Fri Sep 17, 2021 9:58 pm
G-Man wrote: ↑Fri Sep 17, 2021 6:05 pm
falcon45ca wrote: ↑Fri Sep 17, 2021 5:57 pm
G-Man wrote: ↑Fri Sep 17, 2021 5:33 pm Traipsing around Dolby's ISO, I still see the slightly-punchy logic-based content that won me over here and there, but I'm also seeing that he finds ways to go really soft on just about everyone in the game. He's countered some assertions and suspicions and objected to a few players for things, but those pokes, prods, and punches never turn into any firm suspicions. It looks more like coasting from 10,000 feet.
Nice alliteration.

[VOTE: Gman] aubergine

Too much gussyin' up his words. It just doesn't feel natural
This is (checks ISO), pretty much the most you've said about me all game. Are you all-around allergic to alliteration? Or are you just searching for something to support the saving of your skin?
Your splishy splashy language feels performative. The overuse of tropes underlines an agenda-y approach to the thread.

This is probably due to the fact that we haven't played many (any?) games together before. I can be pretty whimsical.

'Threading the needle' is still an apt description for Johanna's ISO in my eyes. She has been very steady and consistent, but never aggressive. She reads, thinks, and responds. She seems to have a dry, cheeky sense of humor, which matches the subdued tone of he game-related content. I said before that I would like to see her rock the boat a little, but that doesn't seem to be her M.O. here. Her on-point content suits me better than a few other folks, but she still feels a little too at-the-radar for me to embrace her as a full townread.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Fri Sep 17, 2021 7:09 pm @G-Man if you had to bet the game on naming three players as civilians, who might you choose?

Tell you when I finish with the ISOs.

Tarrying on with my tin-foil-lite sus of JJJ.

Sorry, sir, someone has to fill that slot for me each game, and Sloonei's been marked for death.

Tripping up a little over Ilario. For me, they are about a 75% null read. It's a new face to me, in a game full of new faces to me, so it's tough.

This post...

ilario wrote: ↑Sat Sep 11, 2021 9:42 pm Fwiw I think it’s a dangerous road to go down if we already expect the zero posters to be scum heavy, or set an expectation that there’s a high number of scum in the zero posters. Whilst I feel good about the towncore atm the best indicator of that we are going astray would be if the zero posters come in and start towntelling. But I feel as though if we already have an arbitrary expectation that the zero posters will be scum heavy then we set ourselves to a bias and almost predispose ourselves to finding them more scummy than they actually might be once they do start speaking. I think if you approach someone with the mentality of thinking they’re likely to be scum then you’re more likely to misread them.

...I like more on the ISO review, because it's an honest assessment of the potential pitfalls of all the TR lovefest vibes from the first half of Day 1. I don't know that I would bother stringing something like that together if I was a baddie.

I do have a question for @ilario however:

You've been pretty agreeable with the consensus that I am a good chop choice, but why? If it's simply because you've already filled too many civvie slots with other people in your mind, haven't you betrayed your aforementioned admonition? Point to something qualitative that suggests I am a baddie. Otherwise, it seems like you're glomming along with me as an easy chop, which makes me want to hold you in my POE still.

Took a look at Falcon's full ISO just now. Beyond the JJJ tin-foil, which I am sympathetic to up to a point, there's not much meat behind his words or actions. It's coasty, but not as noticeably coasty as Dolby from 10,000 feet. If Dolby is just dipping his toes in the ocean, Falcon's gone in just over the knee. Less responding to others and more original content is needed. He stays in my POE.

There's nothing in Dyslexicon's ISO that makes me think differently about them being above-board. I had to skim it though. If you're fooling me, you're schooling me.

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Fri Sep 17, 2021 5:57 pm
G-Man wrote: ↑Fri Sep 17, 2021 5:33 pm Traipsing around Dolby's ISO, I still see the slightly-punchy logic-based content that won me over here and there, but I'm also seeing that he finds ways to go really soft on just about everyone in the game. He's countered some assertions and suspicions and objected to a few players for things, but those pokes, prods, and punches never turn into any firm suspicions. It looks more like coasting from 10,000 feet.
Nice alliteration.

[VOTE: Gman] aubergine

Too much gussyin' up his words. It just doesn't feel natural

This is (checks ISO), pretty much the most you've said about me all game. Are you all-around allergic to alliteration? Or are you just searching for something to support the saving of your skin?

G-Man wrote: ↑Fri Sep 17, 2021 5:33 pm Traipsing around Dolby's ISO, I still see the slightly-punchy logic-based content that won me over here and there, but I'm also seeing that he finds ways to go really soft on just about everyone in the game. He's countered some assertions and suspicions and objected to a few players for things, but those pokes, prods, and punches never turn into any firm suspicions. It looks more like coasting from 10,000 feet.

This is, of course, very convenient an observation to make for a first ISO review, considering Dolby and I seem to be the favored targets at the moment. Don't think that isn't lost on me.

Marmot wrote: ↑Fri Sep 17, 2021 5:31 pm G-Man probably plays a mean game of scrabble though

True story. Last night I scored 8 points off of placing two letters (Scrabble Junior is just one point for each letter you play), which resulted in the formation of three words:

EM
BOOGIE
BOX
_R

Traipsing around Dolby's ISO, I still see the slightly-punchy logic-based content that won me over here and there, but I'm also seeing that he finds ways to go really soft on just about everyone in the game. He's countered some assertions and suspicions and objected to a few players for things, but those pokes, prods, and punches never turn into any firm suspicions. It looks more like coasting from 10,000 feet.

Marmot wrote: ↑Fri Sep 17, 2021 5:10 pm
G-Man wrote: ↑Fri Sep 17, 2021 5:02 pm 2) Baddies know that the longer they keep Jay in the game, the more suspicious his status becomes.

I know this is an argument that is often made, but I don't think the risk of leaving alive to hunt down the mafia is worth the tinfoil that may come from keeping him around.

Also, there are so many strong players in this game that are probably civilian, it's not all that surprising that JJJ is still alive.

There's also the reality that baddies can only kill one person at a time, and whichever supa-tier civvie is the last one hanging around usually gets the hairy eyeball by virtue of having been perceived as the least-threatening supa-tier civvie in the eyes of the baddie team. Sloonei and Jay had many similar opinions on POE slots, and only one of them can get killed first. If this is the case, then it's just an unfortunate inevitability. Tough break, Jay. Play down to my level a bit, and it won't happen as often.

NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Fri Sep 17, 2021 4:42 pm
G-Man wrote: ↑Fri Sep 17, 2021 3:58 pm
Marmot wrote: ↑Fri Sep 17, 2021 3:29 pm
G-Man wrote: ↑Tue Sep 14, 2021 11:58 pm JAGGEDJIMMYJAY
I have always wanted to catch JJJ as a baddie. I don't believe that I ever have. With only a few games left in my tank, I don't know how many more times our paths will cross. All this notwithstanding, JJJ is the part of the dynamic duo that I am more concerned about. There were a few posts that did not feel like the Jay I remember. It's not difficult for me to read him as supa-towning this thing hard out of the gate like this to maximize the baddies numbers advantage and put this thing to bed neatly and quickly.

SLOONEI
RIght now, he's toeing the line of standard-issue Sloonei. He started out less solvey, but it seems to be increasing. I wasn't a fan of his philosophy of building a POE based on who can be townread the least. He's not the only one who has espoused that line of thought though. Projecting town isn't all that hard in my limited experience. Overall, he feels like a slightly different model Sloonei, but nothing that requires a recall.

Here are the explanations for his reads on the two of you @JaggedJimmyJay. Tbh, the read on you isn't very compelling. I see things like "I've always wanted to catch JJJ as mafia" and "JJJ is certainly capable of supa-towning and wrapping this game up quickly and neatly", and wonder what the conviction that brought him to that conclusion is. Easy tinfoil, but nothing convincing.

The Sloonei read is kinda similar too. In both cases, he makes a comment along the lines of "This player is different than I remember".

It is very curious that one of you ended up POE'd while the other was townread.
These comments on Sloonei and Jay are not just based on how their posts read in this game, but also my perceptions of them from all my experiences with them as an aggregate over the years. They can say they are the same all they like. Sure, both of them have evolved to reach a very similar mindset in how mafia works. Their mantras and methods may be interchangeable, but my interactions with them and my perceptions of them are not.

I can explain further, but I that might hurt some feelings.
Are you still on the JJJ wagon, because I feel like you may be giving the quality of his game too much credit. From my PoV, we kill J's potential partners (all in the PoE - narrow world), and if he's still alive in F3, J is the kill.

The quality of Jay's game is the reason why he can't be a near-term solution. His value as a civvie makes him difficult to chop, while also making him difficult for the baddies to kill for two reasons:

1) Jay is a magnet for protection role powers, like this game's watcher mechanic.

2) Baddies know that the longer they keep Jay in the game, the more suspicious his status becomes.

I've got a little time now before dinner to dig into my POE ISOs. I will admit that one of my failings on Lime Coke was that I was putting the cart before the horse and trying to find teammate potential without a confirmed baddie. I let potential teammate equity on Lime Coke to convince me of their guilt and I was trying to ratchet down on the next chop instead of the one in front of me. Not a good look. My track record on rooting out teammate connections is poor. I don't know why I let myself think I was right this time.

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Fri Sep 17, 2021 12:06 pm
G-Man wrote: ↑Fri Sep 17, 2021 11:52 am
falcon45ca wrote: ↑Fri Sep 17, 2021 10:43 am
Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Fri Sep 17, 2021 10:28 am
falcon45ca wrote: ↑Thu Sep 16, 2021 10:36 pm JJJ, Ilario, Dolby, SOA

That's a good POE
If I'm not mistaken, you're vote has been off main wagons on both days now. How are you going to impact the game to a town win? Right now Dolby and SOA have wagons on them, so if you were to choose one of them, which one would you vote?
I vote for the players I think are scum. How am I supposed to know how I'm going to impact the game for a town win? That's a strange question. What's your answer to that question for yourself?

Between Dolby and SOA, I'd like to pull a move I've recently seen from @Master Radishes tie em' up and let it rand.
Ties are determined by the mafia, per our host. No ties, thank you very much.

Why don’t you (or anyone else posting since apparently) remember this from the rules?
Cuz' I rarely read the rules. I'm more of a shoot from the hip kinda player

This is just so

Thumbs aren’t working right today. That last line should read:

“I can explain further, but I fear that might hurt some feelings.”

Marmot wrote: ↑Fri Sep 17, 2021 3:29 pm
G-Man wrote: ↑Tue Sep 14, 2021 11:58 pm JAGGEDJIMMYJAY
I have always wanted to catch JJJ as a baddie. I don't believe that I ever have. With only a few games left in my tank, I don't know how many more times our paths will cross. All this notwithstanding, JJJ is the part of the dynamic duo that I am more concerned about. There were a few posts that did not feel like the Jay I remember. It's not difficult for me to read him as supa-towning this thing hard out of the gate like this to maximize the baddies numbers advantage and put this thing to bed neatly and quickly.

SLOONEI
RIght now, he's toeing the line of standard-issue Sloonei. He started out less solvey, but it seems to be increasing. I wasn't a fan of his philosophy of building a POE based on who can be townread the least. He's not the only one who has espoused that line of thought though. Projecting town isn't all that hard in my limited experience. Overall, he feels like a slightly different model Sloonei, but nothing that requires a recall.

Here are the explanations for his reads on the two of you @JaggedJimmyJay. Tbh, the read on you isn't very compelling. I see things like "I've always wanted to catch JJJ as mafia" and "JJJ is certainly capable of supa-towning and wrapping this game up quickly and neatly", and wonder what the conviction that brought him to that conclusion is. Easy tinfoil, but nothing convincing.

The Sloonei read is kinda similar too. In both cases, he makes a comment along the lines of "This player is different than I remember".

It is very curious that one of you ended up POE'd while the other was townread.

These comments on Sloonei and Jay are not just based on how their posts read in this game, but also my perceptions of them from all my experiences with them as an aggregate over the years. They can say they are the same all they like. Sure, both of them have evolved to reach a very similar mindset in how mafia works. Their mantras and methods may be interchangeable, but my interactions with them and my perceptions of them are not.

I can explain further, but I that might hurt some feelings.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Fri Sep 17, 2021 11:59 am
G-Man wrote: ↑Fri Sep 17, 2021 11:57 am
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Fri Sep 17, 2021 11:51 am [VOTE: G-Man] aubergine
Tell me why here and why now please.
I currently have more doubts about voting falcon, Dolby, and SoA than I have about voting you.

Thank you. I need to reassess my groupings to see where I am at as well. You are still in my POE, but it’s been a soft placement the entire game.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Fri Sep 17, 2021 11:57 am
G-Man wrote: ↑Fri Sep 17, 2021 11:55 am What do you even want from me?
These are infamous words.

The stupidity of his statement warrants the dreaded phrase. I want to hear from him how my posting holds back the game. Saying it does doesn’t speak it into reality.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Fri Sep 17, 2021 11:51 am [VOTE: G-Man] aubergine

Tell me why here and why now please.

NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Fri Sep 17, 2021 11:33 am
G-Man's posting has been to prevent the narrowing of PoE

This is silly. If I don’t post, it holds back the gamesolving. If I do post, it holds back the gamesolving.

What do you even want from me?

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Fri Sep 17, 2021 10:43 am
Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Fri Sep 17, 2021 10:28 am
falcon45ca wrote: ↑Thu Sep 16, 2021 10:36 pm JJJ, Ilario, Dolby, SOA

That's a good POE
If I'm not mistaken, you're vote has been off main wagons on both days now. How are you going to impact the game to a town win? Right now Dolby and SOA have wagons on them, so if you were to choose one of them, which one would you vote?
I vote for the players I think are scum. How am I supposed to know how I'm going to impact the game for a town win? That's a strange question. What's your answer to that question for yourself?

Between Dolby and SOA, I'd like to pull a move I've recently seen from @Master Radishes tie em' up and let it rand.

Ties are determined by the mafia, per our host. No ties, thank you very much.

Why don’t you (or anyone else posting since apparently) remember this from the rules?

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu Sep 16, 2021 10:48 pm @Dolby
@falcon45ca
@G-Man
@Johanna
@Son of Anarch

For those of you that is/are town-aligned, our ability to win this game is likely contingent upon your desire to win. I don't want this to sound like PRESSURE, and it's certainly not intended as hostile. You've all already done things to contribute. What I mean is that if there are mafia members outside this group, they've already established a foothold in this thread that is going to be extremely difficult to break without your intervention (specifically yours). I'm sure it's irritating to be continually stuck within a POE pool every time you click on the thread, but now is the best and perhaps last chance to turn that around. After two mischops to start the game, I think almost every member of the town faction is going to be open-minded to a new view of the game. I am absolutely listening to everything you have to say and will be stoked every time I see a new post pop up from each of you.

Some or all of you might find me suspicious. That's okay. It's a natural thing to expect under the circumstances. I will try my best to follow my own advice here and give you the best chance of finding my own innocence.

The fact that the current state of gamesolving here on The Syndicate requires an equation of X posts + Y interactions, I accept that I will never leave the POE, probably in any game. There are plenty of reasons that my content has been what it’s been this game (lackluster for the most part), but it’s an equation of (Thread Volume + New Faces) x RL^10. I realize that “RL is busy” is basically part of my meta now, which is sad that those who are familiar with me already know to lower their expectations of me until they can’t because POE, but that’s where we are. I’m not sharing my RL component until post-game because it’s external and doing so just sounds like a lame attempt at asking for sympathy and space. Because the game started at 11-4, there’s room for neither sympathy nor space after the D1 mischop.

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Thu Sep 16, 2021 7:35 pm @G-Man No more thoughts?

Thrilling game of Scrabble Junior was underway at the time. My daughter dropped ‘ripen,’ ‘moor,’ ‘foal,’ and ‘cuer’ like it was no big deal. Proud papa bear tonight!

Seems like this game collapsed like poorly-baked bread since I last posted. I have crazy thoughts on it all as I poke through it.

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