Fleabag Mafia mafia win

[Dyslexicon]

JJJ, Ilario, Dolby, SOA



That's a good POE

If I'm not mistaken, you're vote has been off main wagons on both days now. How are you going to impact the game to a town win? Right now Dolby and SOA have wagons on them, so if you were to choose one of them, which one would you vote?

[Dyslexicon]

Town has exactly one more mischop available before we enter elimination phases (final X). The margin for error is tiny and we cannot afford to have even one member of the town faction say "whatever, I'll just die".

Do you have any anti-alignments that stands out to you? Or in other words, is there anyone you feel are mafia in most worlds? I'll take a look at this tonight myself.

[Dyslexicon]

What do you think of the potential for ilario and Dyslexicon to both be mafia?

Sigh tbh tbh. Jimmay, I'm town.

[falcon45ca]

JJJ, Ilario, Dolby, SOA



That's a good POE

If I'm not mistaken, you're vote has been off main wagons on both days now. How are you going to impact the game to a town win? Right now Dolby and SOA have wagons on them, so if you were to choose one of them, which one would you vote?

I vote for the players I think are scum. How am I supposed to know how I'm going to impact the game for a town win? That's a strange question. What's your answer to that question for yourself?


Between Dolby and SOA, I'd like to pull a move I've recently seen from @Master Radishes tie em' up and let it rand.

[Johanna]

Town has exactly one more mischop available before we enter elimination phases (final X). The margin for error is tiny and we cannot afford to have even one member of the town faction say "whatever, I'll just die".

Do you have any anti-alignments that stands out to you? Or in other words, is there anyone you feel are mafia in most worlds? I'll take a look at this tonight myself.

He did make that chart yesterday...

[Marmot]

JJJ, Ilario, Dolby, SOA



That's a good POE

If I'm not mistaken, you're vote has been off main wagons on both days now. How are you going to impact the game to a town win? Right now Dolby and SOA have wagons on them, so if you were to choose one of them, which one would you vote?

I vote for the players I think are scum. How am I supposed to know how I'm going to impact the game for a town win? That's a strange question. What's your answer to that question for yourself?


Between Dolby and SOA, I'd like to pull a move I've recently seen from @Master Radishes tie em' up and let it rand.

What if one of them is town and the other is scum?

[Dyslexicon]

JJJ, Ilario, Dolby, SOA



That's a good POE

If I'm not mistaken, you're vote has been off main wagons on both days now. How are you going to impact the game to a town win? Right now Dolby and SOA have wagons on them, so if you were to choose one of them, which one would you vote?

I vote for the players I think are scum. How am I supposed to know how I'm going to impact the game for a town win? That's a strange question. What's your answer to that question for yourself?


Between Dolby and SOA, I'd like to pull a move I've recently seen from @Master Radishes tie em' up and let it rand.

I'm trying to work with people to chop the players I think are mafia. My point is this: Your vote doesn't do anything if you're on a lone wagon, and it also makes it so that you don't have to choose.

Let it rand is a fine answer though.

[Dyslexicon]

I think Johanna's reaction to my claim is towny, but probably more important, I think her other posts are towny as well. Mafia usually doesn't outright lie about dreams and kills. I don't know Johanna, of course, but out of the PoE, I think she's the least likely mafia and I think someone else already expressed this (probably Jimmay?)

[Johanna]

I dunno how to link posts so I'll just quote here

I'm arrogant again and feel like the game is solved.



I removed my 6 strongest town reads... and they're all legitimately strong. That left me with the following POE pool:

Dolby
falcon
G-Man
Johanna
Lime Coke
Son of Anarch

Within that set, Johanna only has two fits. So she can't be mafia with these premises accepted.

Thus we're left with only two teams that can work:

Dolby, falcon, G-Man, Lime Coke
Dolby, G-Man, Lime Coke, Son of Anarch

Put another way, the mafia team is: [Dolby, G-Man, Lime Coke] plus one of [falcon, Son of Anarch].

[Dyslexicon]

Town has exactly one more mischop available before we enter elimination phases (final X). The margin for error is tiny and we cannot afford to have even one member of the town faction say "whatever, I'll just die".

Do you have any anti-alignments that stands out to you? Or in other words, is there anyone you feel are mafia in most worlds? I'll take a look at this tonight myself.

He did make that chart yesterday...

Lol =p

My mind doesn't work in charts tbh, I'm looking for more words. I want to know why the charts are what they are, cause I'm not in Jimmay's brain like Sloonmeister. But I'll do the same exercise later tonight.

[Johanna]

And here is the full version

Highly doubt they're mafia teammates
Mostly doubt they're mafia teammates
They could be mafia teammates
They fit together pretty well as mafia teammates

Note: as always I did not write meticulous notes to be posted for this, as it becomes spammy. Instead anyone can ask me to expand on any block and, as time permits, I will try to do so.

When I do this I normally work with fewer levels, but I wanted to be extremely thorough about this one given my worries about the state of the game. Some quick takeaways:

- NAA doesn't have enough fits. Town.
- Sloonei doesn't have enough fits. Town.
>> Each of them has three technical fits, but those fits don't fit with each other.

- Tony can probably be assessed on mechanical bases instead of this.

- ilario, Johanna, and Marmot are all close to meeting the same standard, but technically it is possible if my views are correct for them to be mafia.

- Dolby, falcon, G-Man, and Lime Coke all fit together as pairs, meaning that is a viable mafia team. I would call it my lead theory.

- Some other foursomes that technically can work:
>> Johanna, ilario, Dolby, G-Man
>> Johanna, ilario, Dolby, Dizzy
>> Probably more, but I need more time to exhaustively work through it. Separate post maybe.

- Obviously I can be wrong about stuff. I can't worry about that. This is the result of my work.

[Marmot]

Let it rand is never fine. I object!!

[Johanna]

Town has exactly one more mischop available before we enter elimination phases (final X). The margin for error is tiny and we cannot afford to have even one member of the town faction say "whatever, I'll just die".

Do you have any anti-alignments that stands out to you? Or in other words, is there anyone you feel are mafia in most worlds? I'll take a look at this tonight myself.

He did make that chart yesterday...

Lol =p

My mind doesn't work in charts tbh, I'm looking for more words. I want to know why the charts are what they are, cause I'm not in Jimmay's brain like Sloonmeister. But I'll do the same exercise later tonight.

One huge flaw in the charts is that low posters tend to have higher association potential simply because they haven't had many interactions on the thread, and those are I think how JollyJimmyJoe chose his colours.

[Dyslexicon]

Dolby/G-Man "safest" choices from that chart. But I'm not sure I agree with it tbh.

[Johanna]

There's also one thing that I keep forgetting to say but I think is kind of funny, which is that when I started catching up because my notifications mentioned Jimmy first I thought he was actually the host and it took me all of page 1 and wondering why the fuck was the host posting like a player to realise my brain had screwed up.

[Dyslexicon]

Let it rand is never fine. I object!!

It's not really fine, but it's funny lol

[Dyslexicon]

There's also one thing that I keep forgetting to say but I think is kind of funny, which is that when I started catching up because my notifications mentioned Jimmy first I thought he was actually the host and it took me all of page 1 and wondering why the fuck was the host posting like a player to realise my brain had screwed up.

Johanna/Jimmay anti-teamed

[Marmot]

There's also one thing that I keep forgetting to say but I think is kind of funny, which is that when I started catching up because my notifications mentioned Jimmy first I thought he was actually the host and it took me all of page 1 and wondering why the fuck was the host posting like a player to realise my brain had screwed up.

It's a bastard game

[Johanna]

By the way, DUNE is an okay movie. Such wow, very spectacle.

Fans might really like it, but it kind of has no soul and the story feels kind of inherently silly to me.

[Johanna]

There's also one thing that I keep forgetting to say but I think is kind of funny, which is that when I started catching up because my notifications mentioned Jimmy first I thought he was actually the host and it took me all of page 1 and wondering why the fuck was the host posting like a player to realise my brain had screwed up.

It's a bastard game

So that's why there are three watchers and three fruit vendors

Spoiler: show

and three sleepwalkers, surely.

Spoiler: show

and probably six mafia!

[Dyslexicon]

I'm hardclaiming SK, but I'll town side

[Johanna]

First rule of town is always yeet the 3P.

VOTE: DIZZLYXICON

[Dyslexicon]

First rule of town is always yeet the 3P.

VOTE: DIZZLYXICON

Sigh. Alison 3p flashback. I TOLD YOU ALL TO DO IT I TOLD YOU I TOLD YOU EVERYONE ELSE WAS TOWN WHY DO I WRITE IN A WAY THAT MAKES PEOPLE THINK I DON'T KNOW WHAT I'M TALKING ABOUT

[Dyslexicon]

I'm still not healed lol

[Marmot]

I'm hardclaiming SK, but I'll town side

Hello fellow 3p, we should probably unite forces huh

[Marmot]

The only way to heal from GOC 2020 was to roll mafia in the first place

[NotAnAxehole]

Town has exactly one more mischop available before we enter elimination phases (final X). The margin for error is tiny and we cannot afford to have even one member of the town faction say "whatever, I'll just die".

Do you have any anti-alignments that stands out to you? Or in other words, is there anyone you feel are mafia in most worlds? I'll take a look at this tonight myself.

He did make that chart yesterday...

Lol =p

My mind doesn't work in charts tbh, I'm looking for more words. I want to know why the charts are what they are, cause I'm not in Jimmay's brain like Sloonmeister. But I'll do the same exercise later tonight.

One huge flaw in the charts is that low posters tend to have higher association potential simply because they haven't had many interactions on the thread, and those are I think how JollyJimmyJoe chose his colours.

One might define that as the purpose of PoE...

[Marmot]

Can someone write a musical number explaining the use and benefits of PoE, with like people dropping dead all over the stage and everything

[Marmot]

Wow, I still haven't gotten out of bed yet!

I'mma go make some sex, be back later

[Johanna]

I'm still not healed lol

You okay hun?

[NotAnAxehole]

@Johanna @Dyslexicon

Since you're here, do you both agree to take me and Marmot as town?

[NotAnAxehole]

This is not a loaded question because the game is in a state where realistically it's either speed run into a win or a loss, you guys can feel free to talk all day and all night, but I just want to understand if I actually have to pay attention to the thread or if we can semi reliably rely on doing any order of:

Falcon
SoA
Ilario
Dolby

And then if we hit town, we take the 50/50 on:

G-Man
Johanna

If we didn't hit town on the first 3, we just bulldoze the last 2 ftw.

[Johanna]

I don't see a scummy bone in either o' youse

Spoiler: show

but then again I don't have x-ray vision.

Spoiler: show

Maybe I should ask Superman

Spoiler: show

or just my radiologist cousin.

[Johanna]

Spoiler: show

I don't actually have a radiologist cousin

[Marmot]

Being a consensus townread is unfamiliar territory. Should I change how I dress or something

[Marmot]

Spoiler: show

Maybe I'll become a radiologist like Jo's cousin

[NotAnAxehole]

Being a consensus townread is unfamiliar territory. Should I change how I dress or something

Do you agree on the game state at least?

[JaggedJimmyJay]

And then if we hit town, we take the 50/50 on:

G-Man
Johanna

Why are these two 50/50?

[NotAnAxehole]

I feel like it's a simple, yet low probability problem with 0 information.

If we can all agree on the game state (minus the people in the PoE - because who the fuck cares), then we just need to either find 1/2 town (leaning Johanna) or 1/4 town (leaning Falcon - but there are two 1-way interactions I wanted to revise and a purple block that needs investigating).

[NotAnAxehole]

And then if we hit town, we take the 50/50 on:

G-Man
Johanna

Why are these two 50/50?

I'm not interested in a discussion unless a consensus is established prior. Diving into details is pointless, without the plan town loses.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

And then if we hit town, we take the 50/50 on:

G-Man
Johanna

Why are these two 50/50?

I'm not interested in a discussion unless a consensus is established prior. Diving into details is pointless, without the plan town loses.

I’m just making sure you’re not still relying on Dizzy’s rescinded claim.

[Marmot]

Being a consensus townread is unfamiliar territory. Should I change how I dress or something

Do you agree on the game state at least?

Almost. I'd replace ilario with g-man in my list.

That said, a poe of 4 right now doesn't feel right, especially after Lime Coke was a miss yesterday. It feels too easy. Like, if ilario, Dizzy, JJJ and myself are all town, how did we collectively get sig, and then that one wrong?

[JaggedJimmyJay]

This is the JJJ despair post.

I don't know why that's despair. That's a very subjective assessment, so I'll just ask a related but different question:

- Would it be wise for me, as a town member, to keep pummeling away at what I have been doing without reconsidering my approach with no dead mafia and only one mischop still available?

There's some interesting language here...you pummeling away, the wording there makes it sound as tho it's fatiguing for you, defeating.

You've had quite a bit of success playing Maf, you're a very talented player. Tell me, do you throw out your playbook cuz' of 2 mislynches?


This post is also subtly seeded with the despair I mentioned, and it's antithetical to your town play IMO

Why didn’t you answer the question?

[NotAnAxehole]

And then if we hit town, we take the 50/50 on:

G-Man
Johanna

Why are these two 50/50?

I'm not interested in a discussion unless a consensus is established prior. Diving into details is pointless, without the plan town loses.

I’m just making sure you’re not still relying on Dizzy’s rescinded claim.

Ah, you could have lead with that.

I don't actually think that complicates things at all.

In which case, I still put

Town:

JJJ
Sloonei
Dyzzy
Marmot
Me
TSP

Falcon
Johanna

Speed yeet everyone else and see if we've won.

[NotAnAxehole]

Being a consensus townread is unfamiliar territory. Should I change how I dress or something

Do you agree on the game state at least?

Almost. I'd replace ilario with g-man in my list.

That said, a poe of 4 right now doesn't feel right, especially after Lime Coke was a miss yesterday. It feels too easy. Like, if ilario, Dizzy, JJJ and myself are all town, how did we collectively get sig, and then that one wrong?

Yeah, my bad I missed the post rescinding.

[NotAnAxehole]

Dolby's perspective this game has been so stale. I'd say he's almost certainly mafia. Also contrarian for the sake of it, and parking vote whenever possible without having to justify anything

Ilario has only jumped in in cases where he had a clear direction / target / intention, also the misread on Lime Coke apparently is a big deal for him

G-Man's posting has been to prevent the narrowing of PoE

SoA just ceased to exist albeit, could be town

I would yeet the first two and expect it's 2/2, then I'd re-evaluate G-Man, SoA, Falcon, Johanna

[NotAnAxehole]

Also, occam's razor / most reasonable thing to do right now is kill someone who voted on both town who is also not eliminated in the PoE.

[NotAnAxehole]

Dolby's perspective this game has been so stale. I'd say he's almost certainly mafia. Also contrarian for the sake of it, and parking vote whenever possible without having to justify anything

Ilario has only jumped in in cases where he had a clear direction / target / intention, also the misread on Lime Coke apparently is a big deal for him

G-Man's posting has been to prevent the narrowing of PoE

SoA just ceased to exist albeit, could be town

I would yeet the first two and expect it's 2/2, then I'd re-evaluate G-Man, SoA, Falcon, Johanna

Another point to add is that SoA despite his D1 activity hadn't dissociated himself very much from other players, which makes me think he was more concerned about posting than say people who were careless like JJJ and Sloonei.

[Johanna]

Spoiler: show

Maybe I'll become a radiologist like Jo's cousin

Spoiler: show

I swear I'm not lolcatting.

[Johanna]

Also, occam's razor / most reasonable thing to do right now is kill someone who voted on both town who is also not eliminated in the PoE.

Yeah, that's actually pretty reasonable.