The Syndicate

MacDougall wrote:

Dragon D. Luffy wrote:

MacDougall wrote:

Dom wrote:Bass is probably bad.

I don't trust Mac.

Big talk from the guy who was chaos posting early in the game and has now settled into mundane normality like an ex project manager knocked up by her team leader and exiled to housewife duties for the next 18-30 years.

It's funny how his post describes you perfectly.

Show me my chaos posts.

Dragon D. Luffy wrote:

MacDougall wrote:

Dragon D. Luffy wrote:Doubling down on Mac. I'm tired of him not even reading the posts accusing him. And going omgus on me after calling me a civ read multiple times early? Not classy, Mac.

This is a joke of a post. First of all, I read the posts. Second of all, there was nothing in the posts that I could refute. I am playing more reserved and quieter. Third of all, when did I civ read you early "multiple times"? Fourth of all, you aren't doubling down. That would infer you have two votes. You are just revoting. Use correct terminology otherwise you will never get that raise you so desperately crave.

"Doubling down" is a figure of speech. Don't be an ass.

As for your other question:

MacDougall wrote:

Dragon D. Luffy wrote:

Glorfindel wrote:Working on the assumption that a 'Prefect' is a position of some significant authority and influence, can anyone explain to me why Golden only has one vote? I mean SERIOUSLY? He was (is?) The Syndicate's representative at the Mafia Championships. He won a s#*^load of awards on this site this year (including The Syndicate MVP). He has demonstrated an ability for intelligent analysis and shown that he has the courage of his convictions (from my experience of him in Arkham Mafia). On top of all that, he's just a really nice guy... If anyone out there is still undecided, I'll be voting for him and for the reasons stated, I think you should too.

This is a mafia game, not a job interview. We are judging whether people are civ or bad.

This guy is a civ ^

I only found one post, so I take back the "multiple".

Using hyperbole to push your anti-Mac agenda. You should be damned ashamed of yourself. And that one post was so unremarkable that I forgot even having written it.

MacDougall wrote:Why did you vote for me?

MacDougall wrote:

Dragon D. Luffy wrote:

MacDougall wrote:

Dragon D. Luffy wrote:

MacDougall wrote:Yeah his vote on me that he didn't explain aside he looked competent in this game.

Fuck all you who tried to lynch me yesterday while I was incapable of speaking in my defence. Luffy did you silence me and try to get me lynched swine?

You had 4 days to make yourself look like a civ. You didn't so I don't give a shit if you didn't have an extra day.

And who sileneced you on day 2, 3 and 4, btw?

I'm sorry I didn't spend the first 4 days trying to "look like a civ".

If you really require an answer as to why I didn't post a lot it's because I work about 60 hours a week and have a 5 year old. And since when was me being quiet indicative of me being bad?

You being quiet wasn't.

You being more pacific than Glorfindel was.

What does that mean?

MacDougall wrote:

Turnip Head wrote:I went with Mac and Bass.

Why?

MacDougall wrote:

Dragon D. Luffy wrote:Doubling down on Mac. I'm tired of him not even reading the posts accusing him. And going omgus on me after calling me a civ read multiple times early? Not classy, Mac.

This is a joke of a post. First of all, I read the posts. Second of all, there was nothing in the posts that I could refute. I am playing more reserved and quieter. Third of all, when did I civ read you early "multiple times"? Fourth of all, you aren't doubling down. That would infer you have two votes. You are just revoting. Use correct terminology otherwise you will never get that raise you so desperately crave.

MacDougall wrote:

Dragon D. Luffy wrote:

Glorfindel wrote:Working on the assumption that a 'Prefect' is a position of some significant authority and influence, can anyone explain to me why Golden only has one vote? I mean SERIOUSLY? He was (is?) The Syndicate's representative at the Mafia Championships. He won a s#*^load of awards on this site this year (including The Syndicate MVP). He has demonstrated an ability for intelligent analysis and shown that he has the courage of his convictions (from my experience of him in Arkham Mafia). On top of all that, he's just a really nice guy... If anyone out there is still undecided, I'll be voting for him and for the reasons stated, I think you should too.

This is a mafia game, not a job interview. We are judging whether people are civ or bad.

This guy is a civ ^

MacDougall wrote:

Dom wrote:Bass is probably bad.

I don't trust Mac.

Big talk from the guy who was chaos posting early in the game and has now settled into mundane normality like an ex project manager knocked up by her team leader and exiled to housewife duties for the next 18-30 years.

MacDougall wrote:I voted for you as well. Hope that's ok. I don't find your suspicion of me genuine. You aren't trying.

And Luffy because of similar.

nutella wrote:

Dragon D. Luffy wrote:And yeah I'm aware she made an ISO but that could have been done on purpose so yeah.

I think I'm gonna vote for nutella and Bass, and maybe possible Mac.

Is that sentence about me? What does it mean? "Could have been done on purpose" what do you think I accidentally farted out a post?

Golden wrote:The problem with allowing genuine inactives to survive is it makes the end game quite problematic and less fun. For me there is no easy solution.

MacDougall wrote:

Dragon D. Luffy wrote:

MacDougall wrote:

Dragon D. Luffy wrote:

MacDougall wrote:Yeah his vote on me that he didn't explain aside he looked competent in this game.

Fuck all you who tried to lynch me yesterday while I was incapable of speaking in my defence. Luffy did you silence me and try to get me lynched swine?

You had 4 days to make yourself look like a civ. You didn't so I don't give a shit if you didn't have an extra day.

And who sileneced you on day 2, 3 and 4, btw?

I'm sorry I didn't spend the first 4 days trying to "look like a civ".

If you really require an answer as to why I didn't post a lot it's because I work about 60 hours a week and have a 5 year old. And since when was me being quiet indicative of me being bad?

You being quiet wasn't.

You being more pacific than Glorfindel was.

What does that mean?

MacDougall wrote:

Dragon D. Luffy wrote:

MacDougall wrote:Yeah his vote on me that he didn't explain aside he looked competent in this game.

Fuck all you who tried to lynch me yesterday while I was incapable of speaking in my defence. Luffy did you silence me and try to get me lynched swine?

You had 4 days to make yourself look like a civ. You didn't so I don't give a shit if you didn't have an extra day.

And who sileneced you on day 2, 3 and 4, btw?

I'm sorry I didn't spend the first 4 days trying to "look like a civ".

If you really require an answer as to why I didn't post a lot it's because I work about 60 hours a week and have a 5 year old. And since when was me being quiet indicative of me being bad?

Sloonei wrote:

MacDougall wrote:Yeah his vote on me that he didn't explain aside he looked competent in this game.

Fuck all you who tried to lynch me yesterday while I was incapable of speaking in my defence. Luffy did you silence me and try to get me lynched swine?

I'm in favor of putting pressure on this Dragon fellow today.

MacDougall wrote:Yeah his vote on me that he didn't explain aside he looked competent in this game.

Fuck all you who tried to lynch me yesterday while I was incapable of speaking in my defence. Luffy did you silence me and try to get me lynched swine?

insertnamehere wrote:

Dragon D. Luffy wrote:"I PLAY ENTIRELY ON META READS AND TUNNEL VISION, DO YOU HAVE A PROBLEM WITH THAT?"

Golden wrote:

Dragon D. Luffy wrote:All the love amounts to me, a dead guy, and a bunch of people saying they "might" vote for him.

Does it bother you how many people say they 'might' vote for him?

I'm not saying it is suspicious on any person for thinking that about Mac, I'm just saying the fact of it bothers me. He seems to be an option plenty of people are happy to throw a vote on to today.

Golden wrote:

Dragon D. Luffy wrote:The next person to claim that I only started suspecting Booms or Mac now will get voted in the following lynch poll. If you are not reading the game, at least admit it.

You only started suspecting Boom and Mac right now!

Just kidding. I admit that I'm not reading the game.

I do, however, think you have a much higher chance of being right about Mac than you do about Boom. I'm good with Boom.

My possible votes right now - CapsFan, DP, Simon (not sure why people keep sleeping on Simon, some good evidence was raised about why he is Nanman and he seems to have vanished since it was)... maybe Mac on the outside, although I'm kind of suspicious about how much love he is getting for a vote all at once.

Dragon D. Luffy wrote:Also one think I just noticed: for all the meta talk about how Mac likes to pressure people and play aggressively, I don't recall seeing him do that since day 1. It's like he just attacked people enough to make people say "yep, that's the Mac we all know" then got satisfied and slipped into the shadows.

Turnip Head wrote:

Dragon D. Luffy wrote:Also one think I just noticed: for all the meta talk about how Mac likes to pressure people and play aggressively, I don't recall seeing him do that since day 1. It's like he just attacked people enough to make people say "yep, that's the Mac we all know" then got satisfied and slipped into the shadows.

I agree. I think Mac is phoning it in atm.

Turnip Head wrote:

nutella wrote:Mac, I really don't know how to tell. Tbh I haven't noticed him very much, he seems to come in and give his two cents or point out a couple things/people he finds suspicious -- he accused me of sounding "fake" a couple times without much explanation. Someone who knows his meta better than I do said something along the lines of his style being aggressive(? was that the word they used?) and that he looked more or less his usual self, but I don't know, I've barely noticed him this game despite a decent post count. I'll ISO him right now because I'm curious now.

I think that's my main vibe re: Mac this game. He doesn't seem as conversational as I'm used to seeing him. He sort of just dips in and out and doesn't stir up too much trouble.

Dragon D. Luffy wrote:I've decided I want to uphold Turnip Head's legacy. I am voting for Mac today.

He went AWOL after Day 1, when people were commenting on how aggressive he was. Now he just shows up once a day and drops a vote on Dunny.

This sounds like it was done on purpose. He stayed agressive until people said "this is the Mac we all know!" and then vanished when it was good enough.

Mac needs to go.

I just need to find another person to vote for. I wanna vote Boomslang (again) and Russ (again), but will wait another day to see if I get something more fresh to vote for.

Dragon D. Luffy wrote:Actually, I just looked at his ISO and he didn't disappear completely, but his playstyle is way less aggressive than how it was on day 1. Now he just sitcks to making small length comments on low posters (dunny, BWT, Simon, etc) and defending Dom (WIFOMWIFOMWIFOMWIFOM).

Dragon D. Luffy wrote:Alright I don't have anything to add myself so I'm gonna make a proposition to you all.

Talk about the following people:

Boomslang
Bullzeye
Dragon D. Luffy
Elohcin
Nerolunar
Quin

All those are players with 5 or more posts, which posted on day 2 or later, and yet nobody seems to be talking about them.

Yes I included myself. I fit the above criteria so it's only fair. And it feels awkward when nobody wants me dead, I don't like it. Talk about me more please.

Don't have an opinion on them? Well it's a great time to ISO them. Go.

Dragon D. Luffy wrote:Not gonna quote stuff unless strictly necessary because the site is too slow.

Boomslang

A lot of talk about game mechanics on Day 0/1. Neutral read. Then votes MM/TH because they "wanted to duel". Somewhat suspicious, since you could have used all the time you discussed duel mechanics to pick a better case. But whatever it's D1.

Shows up on Day 2 again and actually starts playing in more serious way. Goes for both Jan and Sorsha, with some convincing arguments. Votes for Jan/MM "following up on his previous vote on MM". Which one, the one you picked "because he wanted to duel?" What about Sorsha?

This reeks of WIFOM. This guy is in my scum list.

Dragon D. Luffy wrote:

Nerolunar wrote:

Boomslang wrote:

Nerolunar wrote:

Boomslang wrote:

Dom wrote:Boomslang, does a careless player mean an evil player that needs to be kept on the other side of the wall?

I'd say a careless player needs to be carefully vetted until we can figure out what's going on Case in point is Nerolunar. "I guess you could say I am guilty of saying the same thing, which I kind of am Ugh. I am a goddamn hypocrite." I really don't like this defense. If you're calling your own behavior out as shady, you're asking us to trust your civility on nothing but your word. I agree with the punishment of BWT's self-voting, but that's about it.

That's not what I meant. I am a hypocrite because I voted timmer because of reasons(not being able to understand the game and the different arguments being thrown around) I exhibit myself. It wasn't really a "defense" more like an elaboration of my previous vote. I don't think I am acting "shady" - more the opposite by doubting my own point of view about things. If you disagree, let me know. I think you reached a little here with your interpretation.

But you still made the vote, and you still say that you didn't make it for good reasons. If we can't trust you to make informed, useful votes, how can we trust that you're working the best interests of the town?

In retrospect, no, my vote was poorly made. I know that, but nobody makes completely rational and utilitarian choices all the time, whether it is town or not. I am in no way proud of my scumhunting abilities(again, see transistor) and I have never been. I suck, I really do. But I also try to improve, especially as a civilian because thats the alignment I am worst at.

I value transparency more than anything, and being able to question or criticise my own previous line of thoughts is what ultimately will help me improve and learn from my mistakes. I don't want to cruise along faking false confidence just for the sake of appearing linear or composed.

With that said, lynch me if you want. I trust the dice.

This post makes me feel better about Nero. He is playing the game in a way similar to how I like to play myself.

And the post in the quote makes me feel worse about Boomslang. It looks like he is imposing standards to Nero that are not necessarily alignment indicative. I'd love if every player was as rational and informed as possible, but the real world doesn't work that way and I think Booms's view comes across as too naive.

Dragon D. Luffy wrote:

Boomslang wrote:

Glorfindel wrote:Just another observation here...

As I understand it, part of the case that brought MM undone was his inconsistency in voting for Dr Wilgy for Prefect on Day 0 and then voted to have him duel on Day 1 - is that correct? I note that another player did a similar thing in that Boomslang voted MM for Prefect on Day 0 and then voted him for the dueling ring on Day 1.

The vote for MM's prefecture was mid-poll (i.e. 39th out of 62) so it wasn't really influential and it was MM's only vote for Prefect. I'm not sure what this says but personally, I didn't vote anyone for Prefect about whom I had doubts

Well, if you're not sure what it says, what do you think it says? Or is this one of those baddie "let's plant a seed without actually taking sides and hope it grows into a mighty lynching tree" moves?

Why is it that you always seem to appear only when people mention you?

Dragon D. Luffy wrote:No.

If meta reads and tunneling on the same inactives since d1 are not good enough for you, then we have to disagree.

Your omgus has annoyed me enough already though. And your tunneling. You have been on a campaign to discredit every opinion of mine since I've first suspected you. That's very disingenuous.

*Votes Boomslang and Mac*

Dragon D. Luffy wrote:Boomslang you are giving a number of reasons you think I'm bad but failing to explain why thy mean anything.

Why is it bad that I suspect Mac for meta and activity. What is it bad that I'm tunneling on him and you? Why is it bad that I made the same vote as Mac back on day 1?

You can't just list everything I have done in the game, yell "BAD!" and expect to be taken seriously. You need to do more.

Dragon D. Luffy wrote:Well I voted Boomslang first back in day 2 so there is that.

His response has been to systematically call every post of mine suspicious since then.

nutella wrote:Huh, DDL is acting rather odd. He's suddenly all over Boomslang for calling his posts suspicious without explaining why, when in his reaction to Boom's post he is essentially doing the same exact thing. And ignoring the fact that DP's votes have been specifically suspicious? Weak, DDL. Pay attention.

Scotty wrote: I'm an idiot and must have read that TH died but didnt register in my brain. Wow.

Dragon D. Luffy wrote:I've decided I want to uphold Turnip Head's legacy. I am voting for Mac today.

He went AWOL after Day 1, when people were commenting on how aggressive he was. Now he just shows up once a day and drops a vote on Dunny.

This sounds like it was done on purpose. He stayed agressive until people said "this is the Mac we all know!" and then vanished when it was good enough.

Mac needs to go.

I just need to find another person to vote for. I wanna vote Boomslang (again) and Russ (again), but will wait another day to see if I get something more fresh to vote for.

Well hold on a sec there, chief. What kind of legacy did TH put out to uphold?

How do we even know he was good? There are 2 teams, you know..

That being said, I see the argument on Mac and wouldn't be averse to seeing him duel.

Sloonei wrote:I am not good at fitting two mafia games into my head at one time. That, coupled with my late entry here and the size of this one, has resulted in me once again feeling mostly lost. The good news for Glorfindel is that I've kinda shaken off my initial scum read on him. The bad news for everyone is that I'm back to not really having any strong reads. Rather than drown myself even more by trying to read everything, I'll go back to my usual strategy of asking people questions.

I'll start with what has been my biggest question in the game: Nutella. I've been reading her as a strong townie based off of her tone and the volume of her content, but I've admittedly not done a thorough investigation of her. I've also seen a few people express very vague suspicion of her ("I think she's lying", "She seems off", etc.). Does anyone have a more substantial case to offer against Nutella? If there's reason to suspect her, I'd like to know about it.

Scotty wrote:I don't have lots of time today, but I'm just gonna put these statements out there:

-I think Quin is bad. I may or may not have time to form a case on him, but this is based on mostly tone.
-LoRab looks good this game.
-I don't buy TH's rebuttal after being silenced, nor do I understand why we dropped that case entirely. He can be very articulate when he wants to be, and comments like he has made such as [paraphrasing] 'I play this way because I'm trying to play a specific game' is raising my alarms. I may or may not be voting for him this phase.
-I don't feel like CapsFan warranted any votes yesterday or the day before. Volunteering for a battle and then chickening does not a baddie make.
-I think killing Soneji, who has made no appearance this game, is a VERY odd choice. I think there are several people in this game that would kill an inactive to increase the challenge. Because that must be what that is, right? A challenge? There is no other rational explanation for Soneji dying last night. That only helps the civs. Whoooo would do that as bad?