The Syndicate

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Sun May 03, 2020 7:57 am
Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Sun May 03, 2020 7:25 am I'm literally never trusting nanook in a game again

Also probably never taking those plans because I should have at least stopped to think what abilities the last mafia might have.

Damn. GG.
I mean, tbf...this is a much better scum game than I’m usually capable of.

Nah, you are now going to my "impossible to read" pile, for at least the next 2 years.

Congratulations.

What is worse is that whatever you do doesn't seem to work with other people but resonates with me. So I guess I'll just follow other people when it comes to you, now.

I'm literally never trusting nanook in a game again

Also probably never taking those plans because I should have at least stopped to think what abilities the last mafia might have.

Damn. GG.

[mention]TonyStarkPrime[/mention] if you come here after the day ends and say you forgot to send the action, you're gonna be lynched.

Kingmaker would be cool, too. Doesn't quite increase our win chances but is fun. Though at this point it doesn't matter much.

I'd suggest we try to do something that slightly increased our win chances. Though I can't think of anything.

Otherwise just do something inocuous like "you have to claim a role or your vote won't count", or "you have to make at least one post in haiku for your vote to count".

Hyena wrote: ↑Sat May 02, 2020 5:43 pm
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Sat May 02, 2020 5:41 pm Tbh it just sounds like you’re looking for an avenue you don’t get TKed in now
Explain Speedchuck not posting then. It feels like you're trying to avoid that topic.

I guess he doesn't care to?

He has no abilities, no vote power, no obligation to come here. If he decides not to post again and instead focus on his real life or in the other game he is also playing, he is free to.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Sat May 02, 2020 3:55 pm If the poll goes through, we still don’t 100% know your poll isn’t a day action.

Hyena got mod confirmation this won't be an issue.

Hyena wrote: ↑Fri May 01, 2020 8:16 pm Guys, are you sure there's no chance of two mafia being alive right now? I'm getting paranoid about how little fight there is against the plan.

It's not entirely impossible but I'd like to see how the hosts justify it. We have almost every civ role revealed and mine seems to be the strongest. Civs needed a much stronger setup if they were to face 4 mafia.

Also I'm seeing the right number of fight you would expect if one mafia is left.

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Fri May 01, 2020 4:37 pm
Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Fri May 01, 2020 4:33 pm
TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Fri May 01, 2020 4:31 pm
Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Fri May 01, 2020 4:28 pm Anyway, I won't waste any more time with you.

Everyone: stay on hyena. Hyena: vote for someone who refuses to vote for you. If Tony refuses to join, lynch him tomorrow. If he joins but we don't see a night gimmick by him, lynch him tomorrow. GG.
Not everyone stay on Hyena Nanook or you should stay off Hyena
Literally why

If everyone votes for Hyena there will be no night kill

If one townie leaves the hyena wagon then scum can do the same, perform a night kill (on me) and tomorrow there will be two unconfirmed players. And we'll be forced to actually figure the game out instead of riding a into a free win.

Jack,me,DDL- Hyena
Nanook-TSP
If you don't die, you're confirmed town because you weren't blocked. If you do, Nanook killed you.

What if mafia decides just not to kill?

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Fri May 01, 2020 4:31 pm
Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Fri May 01, 2020 4:28 pm Anyway, I won't waste any more time with you.

Everyone: stay on hyena. Hyena: vote for someone who refuses to vote for you. If Tony refuses to join, lynch him tomorrow. If he joins but we don't see a night gimmick by him, lynch him tomorrow. GG.
Not everyone stay on Hyena Nanook or you should stay off Hyena

Literally why

If everyone votes for Hyena there will be no night kill

If one townie leaves the hyena wagon then scum can do the same, perform a night kill (on me) and tomorrow there will be two unconfirmed players. And we'll be forced to actually figure the game out instead of riding a into a free win.

Anyway, I won't waste any more time with you.

Everyone: stay on hyena. Hyena: vote for someone who refuses to vote for you. If Tony refuses to join, lynch him tomorrow. If he joins but we don't see a night gimmick by him, lynch him tomorrow. GG.

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Fri May 01, 2020 4:25 pm
Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Fri May 01, 2020 4:22 pm The doctor is the number one priority for the mafia to kill.

The moment I claimed, I basically commited suicide.

The doctor should only ever claim if it's lylo or if people are trying to lynch him. Claiming just for the sake of it is stupid if you are a doctor.
if you die tonight -- somehow -- we win, no?

If for some unholy reason two or more players decide to rebel against this hyena plan, our whole cover is gone and we are back to a normal 2v1 lylo tomorrow. Without the doctor.

Which is what you are probably hoping for, right?

The doctor is the number one priority for the mafia to kill.

The moment I claimed, I basically commited suicide.

The doctor should only ever claim if it's lylo or if people are trying to lynch him. Claiming just for the sake of it is stupid if you are a doctor.

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Fri May 01, 2020 4:20 pm
Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Fri May 01, 2020 3:31 pm I still think claiming wasn't the best move for me, but I got a feeling Tony might try to use that to convince others to drop the Hyena plan, so that's it.
HOW in TARNATION would it not be the best move for you?!? Give me a scenario where it helps you to not claim. What, scum has a one shot "kill Dr Fauci" power?

Is this your first mafia game?

[mention]Hyena[/mention] can you change your vote for Tony? Just in case he is just being dense and the real scum decides to jump on whatever wagon he creates.

I still think claiming wasn't the best move for me, but I got a feeling Tony might try to use that to convince others to drop the Hyena plan, so that's it.

That said the mafia has no reason not to kill me now. Then again, their target choices haven't been exactly making sense.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Fri May 01, 2020 3:00 pm I mean, if everyone is voting Hyena, DDL should target nobody because there won’t be a kill anyway and that leaves his options open? Doesn’t really matter, though.

I was going to do it anyway because this is role madness so it never hurts to add a layer of protection.

I'm like 90% convinced it's Tony now, though.

Just staying on Hyena cuz the plan is really that good.

Hyena wrote: ↑Fri May 01, 2020 2:55 pm Whatever you do, DDL, do NOT reveal who you were protecting the previous night, assuming you can't save the same person two nights in a row.

Gotcha.

I'm Dr. Anthony Fauci btw

This is why I wanted to avoid claiming. I literally have my ability written on my character's name. It would have caused me to die immediately.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Fri May 01, 2020 2:20 pm
Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Fri May 01, 2020 1:39 pm Policy lynch Jack or Tony if they are not on Hyena when the day ends.
I don’t policy lynch at lylo but if Tony isn’t voting Hyena at eod, it’ll be a bad look.

It's not a bad look. It's confirmation of guilt. He realized our strategy is ending his chance of winning so he is rebelling against it.

Ok fine.

I'm the doctor.

If mafia kills me tonight because someone refuse to vote Hyena, lynch that person.

Policy lynch Jack or Tony if they are not on Hyena when the day ends.

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Fri May 01, 2020 12:31 pm now if I try to avoid a hyena Lynch everyone's going to assume it's because I'm scum

Yes.

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Fri May 01, 2020 12:29 pm Before night comes -- which is a while -- I want full claims from Nanook and DDL.

You'll have to wait.

[VOTE: Hyena] aubergine

A bit of an anti-climatic ending to the game, but I'll take it.

Jack and Tony if you fail to use your abilities tonight I'll come back after the game to haunt you.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Fri May 01, 2020 10:39 am
Hyena wrote: ↑Fri May 01, 2020 10:28 am Okay guys, there would be no night poll if Tony votes for me and is scum. Awesome. <3
I misread this.

You're saying we can safely lynch you and confirm Tony and me.

At that point Dragon D. Luffy you'd absolutely vote Nanook in F4 after Tony and I prove we aren't blocked, right?

Well yeah I'll easily follow game mechanics info ober anything else.

Hyena can't you ask it to Epi hypotetically? Maybe he can answer something.

Like, "what would happen if I the person making the night gimmicks was scum and voted for me?"

I'd vote Tony over Nanoon tbh.

If we all vote for Hyena we stop a scum kill, and potentially confirm Jack and Tony.

If Jack and Tony's gimmicks both work, then tomorrow I just gotta vote nanook and hope you guys trust me more than you trust him (sounds easy enough).

If either Jack or Tony fail to confirm themselves we lynch them and win.

The only problem is the possibility of Tony not getting roleblocked because he sent them in the day instead of night. I don't know if we can actually confirm how that works.

I'm inclined to take Hyena's gambit, tbh. Two town confirms at this point is looking very valuable.

[mention]TonyStarkPrime[/mention] why have you stopped with the gimmicks?

Hyena wrote: ↑Fri May 01, 2020 12:34 am
Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Wed Apr 29, 2020 7:28 pm
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Wed Apr 29, 2020 7:23 pm You guys go first.
juliets/speed/tony
Here is DDL's PoE. What happens though if we get into a F3 of Jack/DDL/me? That would require a lynch on Nanook, and a night kill on Tony, right?

The Tony one is optional though.

I could lynch you too.

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Fri May 01, 2020 12:03 am At this point I am willing to entertain three minutes of discussion on why Jack is scum. Those three minutes begin now and end approximately when I complete this paper.

Jack has a history of making insane gambits.

It's gotten past the point of WIFOM and back to me starting to suspect Jack.

...

Why are they not shooting Jack

Or me, for that matter

Oof, sorry juliets. I hope you don't take it personally, it's just that at this point we were likely to lynch civ anyway.

But hey if we are wrong this mafia is probably gonna kill... I dunno, speedchuck, which makes it even easier to find scum tomorrow, right?

... right?

I don't think I have it in my heart to get mad at nutella in this game, but whatever.

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Wed Apr 29, 2020 9:57 pm My preference is to kill chuck cause I think he’s scummiest.

Right now I’m voting Jules cause obviously she’s more likely to flip red than me

If you want to make it a Jules/hyena wagon instead I’d be tempted tbh

The issue is that in the meantime mafia shoots one of those.

So now we are down to one confirmed and then maybe we would have done better with one confirmed (Jack) and two people we mostly feel good about.

I'm very worried about being pocketed by Nanook tho.

Hyena wrote: ↑Wed Apr 29, 2020 9:38 pm
Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Wed Apr 29, 2020 9:26 pm I'm voting to save Nanook unless the lynch target is like, Jack.
As I've said, I'm willing to talk things out with people and make compromises if people aren't comfortable enough lynching Nanook right now. I just don't want him in any F3 situation, especially if I'm there with him, because 1.) I'm likely to vote him 100% of the time, and 2.) I'm running out of people that are willing to consider that he could be scum. #2 is the main reason why I want him out today. If he's town, I need to see him flip town in order to progress. I realize that's selfish though, so I'm willing to help others I'm townreading to get to a point where they can solve the game.

The fact I'm having a hard time picturing myself in your spot suggests you're probably town.

You have an interesting way of approaching this game.

juliets wrote: ↑Wed Apr 29, 2020 9:37 pm
Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Wed Apr 29, 2020 9:33 pm It's not impossible for him to trick me again. He has done it once. But even early game, he's looked way better than in the game he was bad. He's been scumhunting from Day 2. In the other game the only thing he did was act arrogant to other people for not reading his mind.

And really, I see no reason why a mafia would bother to try to direct me to MP when they could just vote MP like he did and then go in radio silence when I asked for directions, and later blame me for what happened. He could have his cake and eat it, and he didn't.

I think you guys are putting too much stock in individual PoEs when those vary from person to person and can change every day. And juliets continues to be everyone and their dog's second biggest suspect. Because none of us know how to read juliets, so we are letting her coast through a whole game while not participating in the scum lynches while we argue which one of the rest bussed a mafioso.
What do you mean not participate in the scum lynches? Let me refresh your memory: Night 1 I voted sig and I was wrong. Night 2 I voted nutella for self preservation. Night 3 my vote was shared with Jack and it went to MP. I'm willing to listen to what you say about Nanook but you are dead wrong if you think I am mafia and I haven't been on any scum lynches.

Those are town lynches, juliets.

It's not impossible for him to trick me again. He has done it once. But even early game, he's looked way better than in the game he was bad. He's been scumhunting from Day 2. In the other game the only thing he did was act arrogant to other people for not reading his mind.

And really, I see no reason why a mafia would bother to try to direct me to MP when they could just vote MP like he did and then go in radio silence when I asked for directions, and later blame me for what happened. He could have his cake and eat it, and he didn't.

I think you guys are putting too much stock in individual PoEs when those vary from person to person and can change every day. And juliets continues to be everyone and their dog's second biggest suspect. Because none of us know how to read juliets, so we are letting her coast through a whole game while not participating in the scum lynches while we argue which one of the rest bussed a mafioso.

I'm voting to save Nanook unless the lynch target is like, Jack.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Wed Apr 29, 2020 7:23 pm You guys go first.

juliets/speed/tony

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Wed Apr 29, 2020 3:08 pm
Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Wed Apr 29, 2020 3:05 pm
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Wed Apr 29, 2020 11:38 am
juliets wrote: ↑Wed Apr 29, 2020 9:39 am Someone remind me why we town cleared DDL. I can't remember the reason.
He voted radish almost solely at my urging with like 3 minutes in the day, I think without knowledge of the votecount, when he absolutely 100% did not need to.
I did look at the votecount, tbh. Since I had to see the poll to vote.
IIRC you checked in before voting? Idk, maybe I have the order backwards.

No I mean, I opened discord, talked with you, opened the site, saw the poll, and changed my vote.

juliets wrote: ↑Wed Apr 29, 2020 12:16 pm But that's not true. I could have said "I don't approve of a vote for MP, DDL (or anyone I thought Jack was reading as town) or me." That would have made MP one person in a list which is less suspect. Honestly though, if I was mafia I would have forced myself to stay to the end. I wouldn't have left my vote in someone else's hands.

That's WIFOM, and also I have to note that the last time someone misused this argument was in this same game, where everyone and their dog said Sloonei couldn't be mafia because he wouldn't abandon his team.

If you have a real life reason to not come and play, you don't come and play, regardless of who your teammates are. Real life comes first.

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Wed Apr 29, 2020 11:38 am
juliets wrote: ↑Wed Apr 29, 2020 9:39 am Someone remind me why we town cleared DDL. I can't remember the reason.
He voted radish almost solely at my urging with like 3 minutes in the day, I think without knowledge of the votecount, when he absolutely 100% did not need to.

I did look at the votecount, tbh. Since I had to see the poll to vote.

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