The Syndicate

Jackofhearts2005 and speedzeye

Jack's stuff

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Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Mon Oct 29, 2018 4:33 pm
Bullzeye wrote: ↑Mon Oct 29, 2018 4:32 pm
speedchuck wrote: ↑Mon Oct 29, 2018 12:14 pm I am town tho
I'm not town. Lie detect that. It'll come back untrue.
This is a true and a false statement no matter your alignment.

Amusing observation; ultimately means little.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Mon Oct 29, 2018 5:04 pm
Bullzeye wrote: ↑Mon Oct 29, 2018 5:00 pm Should we not just lynch all the Slytherins first since they'll probably end up evil if they aren't already?
Mind your tongue, Zeye.

*sneers*

Banter.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Wed Oct 31, 2018 11:17 pm
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Wed Oct 31, 2018 6:07 pm
Bullzeye wrote: ↑Tue Oct 30, 2018 3:59 pm Don't really have time to catch up before the lynch, but I can see from the Who Posted list that Nova still hasn't checked in so I will vote there today.

[VOTE: novaselinenever] aubergine
I am not inclined to give Bullzeye credit for this, and indeed it might make the vote worse. There was a time when an off-wagon whatever vote on a mafia teammate was *el classico* as the resident hazelnut spread likes to say. I cannot remember recent examples of the phenomenon, though I have hardly paid the same kind of attention recently. It's a token distancing maneuver.
Eh. If it doesn't give him any credit, it's not a very good distancing move now is it?

Jack shoos away my beef with Bullzeye's D1 vote based on what I would call a dubious premise.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Thu Nov 01, 2018 10:05 am If Bullzeye is so good at mafia, why is he in Hufflepuff house?

Jokes.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Fri Nov 02, 2018 5:26 pm
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Fri Nov 02, 2018 4:18 pm
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Fri Nov 02, 2018 4:13 pm Speedball is a superhero who is like a living bludger.
Tell me about INH and Soneji.
I’d rather lynch them than Luna, Bullzeye or Owner.

I don’t have any reason to townread either. Sonjei’s Luna push looks like a known mislynch push. INH’s reactions to pushes on him look kinda suspect.

Would rather lynch INH or Soneji than Bullzeye.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Mon Nov 05, 2018 2:17 pm
speedchuck wrote: ↑Mon Nov 05, 2018 11:34 am
Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Sat Oct 27, 2018 1:42 pm - This is not a bastard game, so I will not lie to you. However, it is possible for abilities that obtain information to be fooled.
Screw all of last night's foolishness you dillweeds.

INH was scum. Nova was scum. DDL does not lie to us publicly, as said above. These were reveals, not cop checks or ability related info.

10 points to Hufflepuff.
Agreed.

And 10 points to GD for no good reason, as is tradition.

I actually think the mafioso MO in response to Mac's wild theorizing is "no that's stupid, what a silly stupid thing", so both of them get an eyeball for this.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Mon Nov 05, 2018 2:44 pm It’s not a strategy. It’s a side effect.

Tell me about FE Nutella.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Mon Nov 05, 2018 2:49 pm speedchuck

Talk to me about LC while you’re at it.

Couple'a token prods here, one of which pertains to a confirmed mafioso. I'd like it more if it hadn't been the second "oh yeah, plus this guy" post.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Mon Nov 05, 2018 2:58 pm Lean civ
DH
Jay
Speed
Epi
Quin
Timmer

He's in the lean civ tier of the D3 reads list. Dunno why.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Mon Nov 05, 2018 2:59 pm
speedchuck wrote: ↑Mon Nov 05, 2018 2:53 pm
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Mon Nov 05, 2018 2:49 pm speedchuck

Talk to me about LC while you’re at it.
That's not exactly a solo moi suspicion. Others have stated it first, and I'm a caboose on this train.

After JJJ brought up the INH-vote-and-salad stuff I'm looking to move.
I know but I want to know why you’re voting for him.

Pressing the issue on speedchuck's LC vote. It's a decent thing with follow-up given that if this analysis were red all three would have to be teammates.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Mon Nov 05, 2018 3:10 pm
speedchuck wrote: ↑Mon Nov 05, 2018 3:05 pm Jackofhearts2005

speedchuck wrote: ↑Mon Nov 05, 2018 2:01 pm [VOTE: Long Con] aubergine

I feel better about Owner than Long Con.
I was doubting Owner at the time, and buying some of the suspicions on LC/Glorf/Owner/Jack that have been made on the page prior to this vote.

Owner was linked to LC, but I thought Owner more likely town than LC. I threw a vote down to unravel that puzzle. Both have gone up in my estimation since then, as I looked back to see why I townread Owner and JJJ brought up LC things.
Can you be more specific about the suspicions you agreed with?

Continued. The tenacity of the questioning is good. I wish I could feel more heat under it though. It feels rather dead. Minor gripe.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Mon Nov 05, 2018 9:22 pm Can’t unring the bell. Juliets is confirmed town to me.

I can see town and scum motivation for Jay, Speed, Nutella and Quin’s reactions.

Jay probably not w/w with Speed, Nutella. Speed probably not w/w with Jay, LC. Quin maybe not w/w with Jay either.

Jack dissociated speed from LC and I in possible w/w dynamics. If speedchuck is bad, then this isn't ideal. I don't understand where that dissociation came from anyway. He expanded a bit here; I am still underwhelmed.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Wed Nov 07, 2018 4:08 pm
speedchuck wrote: ↑Wed Nov 07, 2018 4:06 pm
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Wed Nov 07, 2018 4:02 pm
speedchuck wrote: ↑Wed Nov 07, 2018 3:49 pm
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Wed Nov 07, 2018 3:46 pm I’m taking Sloonei out of my poe.
Which way?
Gently.
I don't know whether you're taking him out of the suspect pool or out of the townfirm pool.

And why?
Suspect pool.

I was being cheeky about his flawless “I haven’t read” logic but seriously I think Sloonei is spewed good by LC flipping bad. Jay disagrees but whatever.

This exchange would represent such boring mafioso-mafioso chatter. I hope it isn't for their sake. So boring.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Wed Nov 07, 2018 10:34 pm speedchuck

Why did you tell Kara who you think the vig is?

Fair question.

I'm skipping some mechanics babble here. It exists. Meh.

Bullzeye and speedchuck's stuff

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Bullzeye wrote: ↑Mon Oct 29, 2018 5:13 pm
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Mon Oct 29, 2018 5:05 pm If you have the elder wand, raise your hand kthx.
Be hilarious if this game follows the movie continuity and whoever has the wand just has its snapped fragments.

Banter.

speedchuck wrote: ↑Sat Nov 03, 2018 10:41 pm
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Sat Nov 03, 2018 6:45 pm Shiiiit. Kyle was my transfiguration homework hookup.

And good job vig
Spoiler: show
You got rid of a grifindor

If all the Griffendors are dead, they can't win the house cup.

Then Hufflepuff might have a chance!

... aw who am I kidding.

Banter.

speedchuck wrote: ↑Mon Nov 05, 2018 12:40 pm
ColinIsCool wrote: ↑Mon Nov 05, 2018 12:39 pm
speedchuck wrote: ↑Mon Nov 05, 2018 12:38 pm Why don't we talk, Colin? I want to pick someone's head, and you're the only person around.
Pick away
Firgive me if I missed it, but who are your townlocks? Why?

What's off about Jack?

Jack-specific prod of Colin. Okay.

speedchuck wrote: ↑Mon Nov 05, 2018 12:51 pm
ColinIsCool wrote: ↑Mon Nov 05, 2018 12:48 pm Jack, somebody made a case on him that I liked a lot. LC? I’d have to go back.
Please find it. Jack hasn't been the presence I'd expect from him. I want to see what you saw.

I feel like this post can be insightful about this interaction. It's almost equal parts "Colin has given me a way to capitalize on Jack's laziness" and "Colin has given me a reason to acknowledge Jack's laziness" -- those are very different things. I might actually lean toward the former, which would be a decent dissociation. speed continues to explore Jack via DharmaHelper here. His language here is so neutral that I no longer even care about the previous point and revoke any credit. Fucking meh.

speedchuck wrote: ↑Mon Nov 05, 2018 3:05 pm Jackofhearts2005

speedchuck wrote: ↑Mon Nov 05, 2018 2:01 pm [VOTE: Long Con] aubergine

I feel better about Owner than Long Con.
I was doubting Owner at the time, and buying some of the suspicions on LC/Glorf/Owner/Jack that have been made on the page prior to this vote.

Owner was linked to LC, but I thought Owner more likely town than LC. I threw a vote down to unravel that puzzle. Both have gone up in my estimation since then, as I looked back to see why I townread Owner and JJJ brought up LC things.

Pseudo-salad featuring Jack.

Jack is on the wrong side of a D3 POE.

speedchuck wrote: ↑Mon Nov 05, 2018 4:13 pm Yeah sure [VOTE: Glorf] aubergine

The only reason not to do it is because I suspect Jack some, and there's no way this is a bus.

Eh?

Ew.

Jack is light green in the greenest rainbow list of all time / Again

speedchuck wrote: ↑Tue Nov 06, 2018 4:52 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Nov 06, 2018 4:45 pm Who is bullzeye? Bullzeye's slot is a scum slot.
That's me.

TBF I have you as town in tone and action and everything except your weirdness with the vigs and fake flips and stuff. My rainbow list was more of a POE list.

And Jack is almost down there with you. He keeps jumping back and forth.

Ew again.

~~~

Conclusion

That started okay; it was kind of up and down. The last few points on the speedchuck side though are ew.

ORANGE

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sat Nov 10, 2018 1:48 am Are you really going to do all of these? That's... a lot of work.

I am the one written of in the prophecies. I am the bringer of balance. I am the harbinger of mafia annihilation. I am JaggedJimmyJay.

Also nutella is helping so it's not all that much.

Jackofhearts2005 and Quin

Jack's stuff

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Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Tue Oct 30, 2018 1:39 pm
Quin wrote: ↑Sat Oct 27, 2018 7:45 pm harry potter and the goblet is the best book but the worst movie and if you disagree im killing you first
But firebender dance tho.

Banter.

This is the second picture banter post. I'm not going to share them.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Mon Nov 05, 2018 2:58 pm Lean civ
DH
Jay
Speed
Epi
Quin
Timmer

This was the third-highest tier in Jack's D3 reads list. There's very little preceding this to indicate any progression on Quin (or any read origin). Take it or leave it.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Mon Nov 05, 2018 9:22 pm Can’t unring the bell. Juliets is confirmed town to me.

I can see town and scum motivation for Jay, Speed, Nutella and Quin’s reactions.

Jay probably not w/w with Speed, Nutella. Speed probably not w/w with Jay, LC. Quin maybe not w/w with Jay either.

Salad-adjacent if not outright salad. Quin is named among others in a post that serves little purpose on the Quin front specifically. There's a town or a scum motive. He's maybe not w/w with me. Okay then. He expanded here and was more concrete in his separation of Quin and I.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Wed Nov 07, 2018 12:09 pm
Quin wrote: ↑Wed Nov 07, 2018 12:29 am fyi INH could have been resurrected with the resurrection stone. If scum got possession of it then it effectively became a throwaway item they'd want to use straight away, since it's no use to them as all roles flip. No fuckery there.

Unless he was resurrected by town in which case admit yourself to St. Mungo's ASAP.
Resurrection stone doesn’t pure rez in the lore and this is the first rez.

We can assume the rez is a one shot or has some sort of major drawback. Otherwise, why didn’t scum rez previously? Even if they just got it, why didn’t town rez previously?

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Wed Nov 07, 2018 12:39 pm
Quin wrote: ↑Wed Nov 07, 2018 12:47 am @ whoever rezzed INH

I'm not mad, I'm just disappointed. And you're fucking nuts.
Might not have been on purpose.

[Crucio]: This spell will torture a student, roleblocking them for a night and forcing them to reveal what spells they know.

[Imperio]: This spell will take control of a student’s actions. Any abilities they use will be redirected to a target of the user’s choice. The student being controlled cannot be forced to self-target. This ability can only be used once in the game on each player.

It’s one thing to rez a scumbuddy and waste the town’s time. Meaner to force a townie to burn their one shot rez one a wolf.

Mehchanics. Boring.

I'm going to use that term moving forward.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Wed Nov 07, 2018 4:10 pm Obviously we need to lynch INH, Speedchuck and Quin for being in the wrong houses. We can just fast forward now.

k jokes

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Wed Nov 07, 2018 4:19 pm
juliets wrote: ↑Wed Nov 07, 2018 4:14 pm Ok, I have been debating this at work and have decided that given the confusion about the night actions I should at least clear one of them up (or make it more confusing).

When I got Glorf's role card I was blown away to see that he had the Phoenix. I suspect he was waiting to use it if JJJ died but of course I don't know for sure. So I promptly did what Colin has been begging everyone to do and I used it, targeting Turnip Head. When dawn came I felt punched in the stomach to see that INH had been rezzed. I suspect I was targeted with Imperio though the only way that makes much sense is if the mafia already knew where the Phoenix was. I mean, why would they target me of all people with Imperio?

So mix that into the cake batter and see if we get a less lumpy cake - or is it now more lumpy?

lots of linki which I will read now
Did Glor fail N1 or more likely N2? If they misdirected you into a dead player, they had to know you had a phoenix.

This means scum misdirect shenanigans very unlikely to be the cause of Speed/Quin discrepancy.

mehchanics

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Wed Nov 07, 2018 9:00 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Wed Nov 07, 2018 7:41 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Wed Nov 07, 2018 2:53 pm If Quin is bad and was targeting his teammate Long Con, what ability might he have been using?
Was this question ever answered?
Additionally, I want to ask who we'd believe more in the Quin vs. Speedchuck split if poutanko's cop claim didn't exist?
And also if there's a scenario in which all three of speedchuck, quin, and poutanko are town and telling the truth?

If these are things that have already been discussed then you can just slap me and point me in the right direction. But I'm hung up on these reported night actions right now and feel like it's the most pressing issue we've got right now.
I trust Quin more.

k why

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Wed Nov 07, 2018 10:40 pm
Quin wrote: ↑Wed Nov 07, 2018 10:37 pm
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Wed Nov 07, 2018 10:36 pm
Quin wrote: ↑Wed Nov 07, 2018 10:34 pm Speedchuck just confirmed himself as scum and that his teammate is in Slytherin. Nice!
I don't get it. Please explain while I sit with my legs crossed and listen nice a nice boy.
diricrawl cannot switch actions directed at one person to another, diricrawl can only switch actions directed at the owner to another. speedchuck has maintained the first, which is a mechanical impossibility.

he also says his floo powder buddy is the reason for this, who can only be a Slytherin since they last won the house cup.
Speed is saying his floobuddy (who is Kara because she already said so) dirticrawler switched herself with Speed.

Therefore, someone who have had to misdirect Kara and him for his info to be wrong.

He’s still bad but you misunderstood.

picking my nose at these mehchanics

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Fri Nov 09, 2018 1:47 am 7 player poe
Chuck
Quin
Luna
Kara
Sprityo
Colin
...
Pou

Quin's in the POE. Everyone included Quin.

Jack offers up some resistance when poutanko was intent to clear Quin. Good call, the logic is at least sound. Doesn't mean a whole lot to me.

Quin's stuff

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~~~

Conclusion

The meat of their interaction is mechanics-focused, which elicits a loud groan from me. It isn't teammate-indicative, but man I hate mechanics. Bleh. Otherwise this is a bunch of nothing.

YELLOW

karavalenge wrote: ↑Sat Nov 10, 2018 1:12 am Basically, I am not taking this game as seriously as the rest of you are, so I'm doing things my way. That includes a really dumb call like flooing Speed, but I have nothing else I'd use from the house cup. I already asked to be lynched earlier and nobody responded to it, I think that lynching me if Speed flips town is the dumbest thing you said seeing as I'm actively trying to make him look better even though so many people have him as scum. Not because I "know" he's town, but because I found him genuine in what he was saying and decided to speak with him privately.

If there's one thing I am not going to do in a mafia game, it's lynch someone just because they've asked me to do so. We only have so many lynches at our disposal, and if you're a civilian that would represent the loss of one of them. Nope.

Jackofhearts2005 and sprityo

Jack's stuff

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Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Wed Oct 31, 2018 10:23 am
lapluie wrote: ↑Sat Oct 27, 2018 7:59 pm helo checking in
Hi, Lap.

It's the "hi" tell, as seen from Infected_alien9 in DFS.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Wed Oct 31, 2018 1:44 pm
poutanko wrote: ↑Wed Oct 31, 2018 1:34 pm
speedchuck wrote: ↑Wed Oct 31, 2018 1:25 pm
poutanko wrote: ↑Wed Oct 31, 2018 1:21 pm D0 has no effect on that, D1 is. I don't get how you read Lap as bad due to you viewing her 1 post on D0 as she did it because she urged to.
I didn't get the argument before this, but it's a good point. Mafia wants to make good use of their abilities. Would the bad guys really be okay losing out on a roleblock/kill/other whatever dark arts or regular ability because Lap didn't post?

Not that they have any say in it.

If Lap is laying low on purpose, is it because she doesn't know the rules? Or because she doesn't care about the scum having actions?
Jay view:
>Lap made a post because she felt the need to

My view:
>Lap did it D0, what reason is possible to make her feel the need to post on D0?? If she did it D1 then okay I can see why Jay view her that way.

Basically ^ feel free to ask me if there's something not clear from my post. I'm not native speaker

Is Lap a known inactive?
Lap’s on the quiet end and gets mislynched sometimes.

Half-defense.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Mon Nov 05, 2018 3:48 pm Lynching Sprityo feels like a cop out.

Literal defense.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Mon Nov 05, 2018 3:52 pm I suddenly am more okay with lynching Sprityo.

k.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Wed Nov 07, 2018 1:46 pm
sprityo wrote: ↑Wed Nov 07, 2018 9:08 am it got swept under the rug like an unwanted stepchild
Poor Arry Potta.

Banter.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Thu Nov 08, 2018 2:44 pm
sprityo wrote: ↑Thu Nov 08, 2018 12:01 pm what? Jay and Mac and DH DONT know everything? First I’ve heard of this statement
They're distancing from each other obv.

Banter.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Thu Nov 08, 2018 3:46 pm
sprityo wrote: ↑Thu Nov 08, 2018 3:44 pm Also Juliets I think there’s merit in investigating why Epi was killed and who he had voiced suspicions for at the time
Okay sure. Why don't you tell us about Luna and Colin or my thoughts on Mac's thoughts on this?

Gentle sort of prod, pressure-free.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Fri Nov 09, 2018 1:26 am You should look and Sprityo some more.

Joke.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Fri Nov 09, 2018 1:47 am 7 player poe
Chuck
Quin
Luna
Kara
Sprityo
Colin
...
Pou

Included in the POE. Everyone included sprityo.

sprityo's stuff

sprityo wrote: ↑Thu Nov 08, 2018 3:39 pm
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Thu Nov 08, 2018 2:14 pm I think you're all thinking way too hard about the whole Speedchuck/Quin fiasco. There's some overwhelming evidence that nobody is even considering.

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Speedchuck is always mafia

Phew, thank goodness someone said it

Joke.

~~~

Conclusion

The only truly relevant interactions mostly feature Jack standing up for sprityo, either explicitly or implicitly. They're compatible as teammates, though it isn't entirely striking.

ORANGE

nutella wrote: ↑Fri Nov 09, 2018 11:49 pmWtf jay how do you do this.

Would anyone like it if I threw together a quick tutorial on my methods for generating ISO analyses quickly?

k i hunt now

Off-hand, the biggest reason I excluded Colin was the way LC handled him late in D3.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Fri Nov 09, 2018 6:07 pm Here you go you big babies.

Sloonei - 5
Kara - 5
ColinIsCool - 4
sprityo - 4
Quin - 3
Lunalee - 3
Speedchuck 2.0 - 1

I think the only way this changes the total is to bring Colin into a tie, so she’s got you covered.

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@nutella, if you take 5 or 6 of the slots below, I will take the rest. You can choose yourself or I can hand them out, whatever. Thanks again for helping.

DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Fri Nov 09, 2018 4:42 pm Here's your totally useful and completely worthwhile and not at all pointless list of names you wanted. Can we actually hunt baddies now?

Remember that time you did nothing all game and I had to win for you by doing things my way?

@DharmaHelper, can I have four more non-Hufflepuff suspects? I'm doing a thing.

DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Fri Nov 09, 2018 3:30 pm Pretty wild how Glorf/Juliets had a rezz this whole time and the one time it gets used a baddie gets rezzed huh

A 7-player process of elimination pool would be super

sorry I think juliets posted a list that I forgot to add, so she good

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Fri Nov 09, 2018 3:11 pm Who are we missing on the spreadsheet?

Everyone not named Jackofhearts2005, Sloonei, nutella, speedchuck, ColinIsCool, JaggedJimmyJay

Anyone remember that time I made a case against INH and DharmaHelper was like "omg lol is this like a third-party no u??"

wild so wild

speedchuck wrote: ↑Fri Nov 09, 2018 3:08 pm *pulls Colin out of tinfoil POE*
*places Jay into Colin's place*

Continue

spreadsheet updated!

DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Fri Nov 09, 2018 3:07 pm "I am suspicious of Long Con in case he gets fucked on today and flips bad but also check out this cool and good post of reasons why he's totally not bad lol I'm so random uwu"

I tend to adhere to a certain trait that we in the business of hunting for bad guys call "thoroughness", and it's really quite a concept. You see, the idea is that you check into all sides of a dialogue and carefully consider the information available before you make a final decision, or moreover influence others on that decision. It's a rather controversial notion I understand, but I really think it can go far if given the chance.

DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Fri Nov 09, 2018 3:04 pm Pretty wild how Jay forgot about 2 pages of me going after Long Con when he made that pretty cool and good and fun post about "Maybe LC is bad but maybe not lol IDC I'm so random UWU"

I have a way of droning out your posts.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Fri Nov 09, 2018 2:55 pm My first comment was about the speedchuck/quin conflict. Note my confusion in another post where poutanko responded to me.

You've been around and seen a lot in this game now. Do you still feel hopelessly behind?

DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Fri Nov 09, 2018 3:02 pm
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Fri Nov 09, 2018 3:02 pm
DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Fri Nov 09, 2018 3:00 pm Lol remember when Jay said he forgot I made a case on Long Con but also he had that pretty interesting post about how he was less confident about Long Con and still had his doubts about an LC lynch right on the same page as my case lol wow wild game so far huh.
My suspicion came from his eagerness to jump on any mention of salad and the way he handled Colin's calls for resurrections.
Wow lol thats wild Jay that's pretty crazy my guy wow lol.

DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Fri Nov 09, 2018 3:00 pm Lol remember when Jay said he forgot I made a case on Long Con but also he had that pretty interesting post about how he was less confident about Long Con and still had his doubts about an LC lynch right on the same page as my case lol wow wild game so far huh.

My suspicion came from his eagerness to jump on any mention of salad and the way he handled Colin's calls for resurrections.

poutanko wrote: ↑Tue Nov 06, 2018 8:07 pm ....it's not read
N1 - Bullz
N2 - Colin

Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue Nov 06, 2018 8:22 pm Some sort of redirection doesn’t seem like it should be out of the question.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue Nov 06, 2018 8:30 pm
speedchuck wrote: ↑Tue Nov 06, 2018 8:28 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue Nov 06, 2018 8:27 pm
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Nov 06, 2018 8:23 pm [VOTE: speedchuck] aubergine

Lynch him. The mafia rezzed INH and could have shenanigans planned, even if unlikely. They weren’t ready to lose speedchuck today.
What’s the evidence against speed?
Pout says she has a cop check on me.
How did I miss this?

What the hell is this, Sloonei?

poutanko wrote: ↑Tue Nov 06, 2018 8:07 pm ....it's not read
N1 - Bullz
N2 - Colin

I was thinking about this.

poutanko has said that her role has been obliviated, which may indicate that the mafia team had identified her divination [cop] ability. If so, that information could not have been secured until at least Day 2, after N1 actions were resolved.

This would suggest the following:

N1 was less likely to be tampered with than N2. Indeed, for the speedzeye check to have been screwed up, it'd have to reflect either the mafia redirecting poutanko without knowing her role (rather random choice), or performing some manner of swap with Bullzeye (a high-probably vigilante target, yikes).

speedchuck wrote: ↑Fri Nov 09, 2018 2:19 pmLink or it didn't happen.

k

speedchuck wrote: ↑Fri Nov 09, 2018 2:14 pmI stopped caring about suspicion.

I once won as a serial killer due at least in part to the fact that I kept insisting this once I had been outed.

speedchuck wrote: ↑Fri Nov 09, 2018 2:08 pm TL;DR I made the right decision and you guys all suck at the watcher role and suck more for criticizing me.

You keep saying you're being "criticized", which is bunk. You're being suspected. I just showed you a clear record of a mafioso doing exactly what you've claimed to do, and I cannot remember ever seeing a civilian do it.

That doesn't mean your case is closed, but the emotion you're feeding into your posts looks outright fake at this point. Nobody criticized shit.

Golden wrote: ↑Sat Feb 25, 2017 3:54 pm
JaggedJimmyJay wrote:Please walk me through your strategy for watching those players when you did.
I figured my best strategy was probably finding people who I could confirm as town. At first (with jay) I went for someone I thought the town might help, but since then I've gone with the top three target (in my opinion) for people who might mess with them.

Also, the reason I was trying to keep this quiet is because with this knowledge my role is more or less useless. Keeping the perception I was a standard watcher could have drawn the kill away from others. But obviously that didn't work.

speedchuck wrote: ↑Wed Nov 07, 2018 12:16 pm
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Wed Nov 07, 2018 12:14 pm Why did you watch the people that you watched, speedchuck?
Bullz watched you. I can't ask him why. Possibly because town Jay is a possible N1 mafia target. And technically you were! Not that I know what was done.

I watched Long Con because I knew something would happen there, and I could possibly get townfirms or scumfirms out of it. Vigs, protections, etc. It worked, sorta. Quin threw a wrench into things.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Fri Nov 09, 2018 1:54 pm Speed watched the only player that he’d never catch a scum player killing, the basically outed goon.

And his rationale for doing so is identical to Golden's.

speedchuck wrote: ↑Fri Nov 09, 2018 12:44 pmI don't understand the question.

This is the post that started everything. The WHOLE CONTROVERSY is trying to explain this post. The reason I suspect Quin is that I am unable to explain it.

It isn’t merely about what Quin claimed to do and to whom, but also when he claimed it. There was no controversy at this point. That was no need to explain himself or to lie or to do anything at all. But he still said it.

What does that mean to you?

Quin wrote: ↑Tue Nov 06, 2018 6:26 pm
timmer wrote: ↑Tue Nov 06, 2018 6:25 pm
speedchuck wrote: ↑Tue Nov 06, 2018 6:21 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Nov 06, 2018 6:19 pm Why do you think he didn't?
Night actions. Timmer didn't visit Long Con last night.
This is correct. I assumed that any attempt at using my vig would be tampered with, so I used a different item to avoid having an obvious killshot redirected.
god damn it timmer you wasted my patronus

@speedchuck, explain this post in context within the bounds of your controversy with Quin.

nutella wrote: ↑Fri Nov 09, 2018 3:32 amand mostly the one thing that makes it hard is wifom. god I love wifom as a concept we wouldn't exist without it

I have brought the notion of wifom into real-world conversation many times, because it is applicable to so many situations. I might even turn it into a research question in my lab.

nutella wrote: ↑Fri Nov 09, 2018 3:23 am anyway sure I could do a few of those

I appreciate it.

Ideally more people will give me a POE list so I can determine who the seven will be. Yes, mafia team, that means you get to fuck with the strategy based on the names you select. Be my guest.

I want to assemble a cooperative POE list of seven players, and then analyze the interactions of all possible two-way combinations within that group. The next natural step after eliminating individual players within POE is to eliminate potential teams, which can in many cases result in the removal of one or more suspects from the pool. Imagine a chart like the one in the spoiler below:

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The columns and rows meet at any given dynamic between potential teammates. Note the intersection of Jack and sprityo, colored red. This would mean that one of us had analyzed the interactions of those two people and determined that they could definitely make sense as mafia teammates. Green colors would represent unlikely mafia teammates (and everything in between works like any rainbow list). NOTE: this chart is just an example, so everyone should ignore the colors. I haven't done any of these analyses yet. The names included reflect my own POE, so a cooperative group hasn't been compiled yet.

As you can see, there are 21 possible combinations here, and that's quite a lot of analysis. I probably can do it all myself if I must, but frankly having another set of eyes would be better beyond just sharing the workload.

nutella wrote: ↑Fri Nov 09, 2018 3:10 am jay what would your big project entail? I could maybe do some over the weekend (not until I get off work tomorrow)

I guess there's really no harm in saying what it is. Stand by for one moment...

I hope the next post in this thread has this many reads!

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Fri Nov 09, 2018 2:30 am I’m supposed to be doing laundry but what if I got drunk and played mafia?

Normally that would be a depressing thing, but you're a married man. Go crazy.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Fri Nov 09, 2018 2:21 am
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Fri Nov 09, 2018 2:20 am Y'all blendy bastards love to lose four civilian games just to set up one mafia win.
What if I told you I never do anything as a townie to make it easier on myself as a wolf?

Are you sure, Morpheus?

Y'all blendy bastards love to lose four civilian games just to set up one mafia win.

~ Guy is in POE

~ Try to get guy out of POE

~ Guy be like nawwww

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Fri Nov 09, 2018 1:56 am
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Fri Nov 09, 2018 1:55 am Jackofhearts2005, what has inspired your turn on nutella (for the better)?
Iirc, there were a number of posts that were like “Oh there’s no way she’s teamed with LC.”

Please show me.

[mention]Jackofhearts2005[/mention], what has inspired your turn on nutella (for the better)?

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Fri Nov 09, 2018 1:50 am I almost put Jay on that last spot. And DH. And Mac and Timmer. Fake cop claim is my favorite tinfoil when push comes to shove I guess.

So your true POE is the entire game other than Glorfiets and nutella.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Fri Nov 09, 2018 1:27 am And “not it” on that teamup.

How many town losses in a row did you say you've had?

As it pertains to my own analytic idea, it would be very helpful if everyone alive would give me a 7-player POE pool. Even if you already posted one, an update presently would be appreciated.

I want to make effective use of this extended night phase, but I don't want to trudge around in busy work analysis that isn't going anywhere. So I am asking for requests:

Is there a player you feel hasn't been given a critical enough eye?

Is there a player combination you feel might be concerning as potential teammates beyond just that they're both in your POE pool?

I have another idea of my own which might go a long way toward solving the game, but it would be a significant workload (to such a degree that it may be impractical). If anyone is interested in teaming up with me for a larger-scale exercise over the next three real-time days, say so. This is often what it takes to get a civilian win.

In which I attempt to do something with sprityo

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The first post to feature relevant content. I have gone way overboard with color-coding, but you can still have fun with it you arse (whoever you are).

Yellow: These things are observations about the game. They aren't stances taken or inferences about motive, they are purely what happened.

Orange: These things are pseudo-stances in that they can be interpreted to mean something relevant to alignment, but it isn't stated. I don't care for the yellow or orange stuff.

Red: Levity is added to the post. This isn't an issue in isolation, but nor does it add anything of use.

Blue: Guys, I am not playing. Did you hear me? I am not playing. I have replaced into the game, and I am not playing it. K? *eats tacos* Meh

Green: sprityo did actually pledge to do work, "when he needs to", that he wouldn't respond to lynch pressure. When else is there a need? sprityo, do you need to do work yet? Will you ever need to? Was this bullshit?

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Entirely pointless question. No civilian would ever raise INH on purpose, and no mafioso is going to answer it.

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This post actually has a purpose and could say a lot down the road. This was in response to DH's assumption that each house features one mafioso. sprityo, who is a member of house Slytherin, pointed the finger at speedzeye. [mention]sprityo[/mention], please return to this moment and explain what it was about speedzeye that you believed made him the most likely bad guy in Hufflepuff.

This post came on Day 4, so if it was after poutanko's claim then it means considerably less. I guess I'll check before I post this instead of just saying "Jay, do it later" as I often would.

Okay, sprityo's post came about 1.5 hours before poutanko's claim. Cool beans. Please talk about it, sprityo. He reiterated the read here and again here.

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These external declarations that two other people are engaging in town/town combat can often represent TMI, so that's not ideal. It doesn't have to be so. [mention]sprityo[/mention], why does an argument which is a waste of time that accomplishes nothing an indicator that its participants are civilians? Wouldn't that be a nice thing for a mafioso to do to feign engagement?

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sprityo seems to know that all three of DH, Mac, and I are civilians? He does acknowledge a need to "confirm us as good or bad", but I don't get the impression in this post that he takes that seriously. We're all strong enough to do the work so that he doesn't need to do it, and the mafia are playing it tougher by keeping us alive. Those assertions all infer civilian alignments for all three of us.

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Is this why you killed him?

~~~

Conclusion

Well he was already a default POE prospect, and this didn't do him any favors. He looks worse than he looked five minutes ago, so bad got badder.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Thu Nov 08, 2018 10:39 pm Sloonei - 5 - Sloonei and indeed Owner have been the suspect of some periphery doubt but have avoided anyone outright nailing them. Sloonei did make one significant post that I was very impressed by and agreed with the thinking behind so all points are because of that.

Which post was the post that Sloonei posted as you have posted in this post of yours?

insertnamehere wrote: ↑Mon Oct 29, 2018 2:04 pm
Owner of a Lonely Heart wrote: ↑Mon Oct 29, 2018 2:02 pm
insertnamehere wrote: ↑Mon Oct 29, 2018 1:06 pm Alright, I'm now caught up.

Most of the Day so far has just been two different squabbles over semantics. The whole Epi-Juliets thing has been more or less baffling in its scattershot legitimacy. It's the kind of thing that JJJ usually pushes, except with less actual substance, which makes me a tad sus of JJJ. Then there's the whole Owner/DH thing. It definitely feels like Owner is stuck replaying Firefly, while the rest of us are playing a new game. This regression could be scummy or not, depends on what else Owner decides to bring to the table. So far, I ain't impressed.
It's not a regression. It is potentially a meta thing.
Would you trust other people who have played with DH over a ton of games and have seen him as both scum and civ if they were to tell you that you were barking up the wrong tree with your meta characterization of him?

I think this is suggestive that INH knew DH is a civilian.

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