The Syndicate

After PoopGate

Sloonei
nutella
speedchuck

Kylemii

F.Z.
Epignosis
Long Con

nutella wrote: ↑Wed Jan 17, 2018 8:03 pm So it was poop? And you think LC ate it?

It was poop. Kyle is a quality Mafia player and isn't likely to have some glowing beacon of a tell which shows itself in the first three posts. LC may have eaten it. I am investigating his teeth presently.

nutella wrote: ↑Wed Jan 17, 2018 8:03 pmI ate it, but I puked it back up.

What'd you mean when you said "rekt", presumably about Kyle?

Long Con wrote: ↑Wed Jan 17, 2018 3:55 pm This section is sketchy, Kyle, it reads like it's written by someone with a mafia alignment. "you've never even seen me play as mafia before" implies you're mafia now, and the statement that there's "not enough to build correlation from" implies that there could be enough at some point, but if you're Civ, then the idea would be that "correlation is impossible because I'm not bad."

This section is sketchy, Long Con. You've shoved words into Kylemii's face and said "These are the civilian words. You didn't say the civilian words." as if there aren't multiple possible examples of a civilian response to my poop.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Wed Jan 17, 2018 7:48 pm Insincere

Sloonei wrote: ↑Wed Jan 17, 2018 7:48 pmBogus

Kylemii wrote: ↑Wed Jan 17, 2018 7:33 pm Jay's usual civvie MO is to scatter bricks around on day 0 and 1 in order to start building discussion and put out reads. What Jay's done here is try to throw a single large brick at me, which causes no variation in discussion at all. The only discussion happening right now is surrounding me.

The only way that tactic comes from a responsible civvie mindset is if Jay really and truly believes in whatever he thinks my tell is

Please tell me about the discussion that was happening in this game thread before I threw a brick at your face.

Do people actually read all the roles before games even start?

speedchuck wrote: ↑Wed Jan 17, 2018 1:24 pm If I may make an observation, regarding the setup:

Tevye can get BTSC with his daughters. In doing so, he can confirm them town to himself. So that's neat.

However, if he doesn't search for them, the town gains a cop in the match-maker. Match-maker can search for BTSC, which would (if Tevye doesn't submit actions) only be held by the mafia.

We trade off a BTSC-finder and a town searcher/btsc/lover thing for a cop. Does anyone think this is a good idea?

Game with infodumping and role-claiming: cop > probabilistic/interval civilian BTSC inclusive of four

Game without infordumping and role-claiming (like this one):

I'm going to say the cop is slightly weaker in this case. Without reveals, civilian BTSC becomes one of the strongest available roles, because it is easier to read -- it involves two people simultaneously vouching for each other. A cop can only promote reads him or herself, and it might not be as easy for others to figure out that there is an information basis behind those reads.

It's debatable though. speedchuck is a civilian for discovering that this question is worth asking.

Kylemii wrote: ↑Wed Jan 17, 2018 1:11 pm okay so you think a 48 hour long game with teens who kept being terrible dicks to each other is going to be indicative of how I play in a real game as mafia?

one game isn't enough for real tell correlation, famous poker player sneezes the first time they roll a full house you don't just assume that they have a full house the second time they sneeze

So you recognize the parallel then?

Kylemii wrote: ↑Wed Jan 17, 2018 1:01 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Wed Jan 17, 2018 12:34 pm

Kylemii wrote: ↑Wed Jan 17, 2018 12:18 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Wed Jan 17, 2018 10:31 am Kyle is with the Russian Police. Discuss.

strongly disagree

I'm afraid that is irrelevant. I know your tell and you have revealed yourself. I am sorry to wreck your game so quickly, but it's just how this works.

that's actually 100% false? first of all, I am a kind and hard-working citizen of Anetevka, so that part's wrong

second of all you've never even seen me play as mafia before, the only player in recent history who has is dunya and even then it was just one game under unique circumstances, not enough to build correlation from

I spectated your sc2 game.

Kylemii wrote: ↑Wed Jan 17, 2018 12:18 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Wed Jan 17, 2018 10:31 am Kyle is with the Russian Police. Discuss.

strongly disagree

I'm afraid that is irrelevant. I know your tell and you have revealed yourself. I am sorry to wreck your game so quickly, but it's just how this works.

Kyle is with the Russian Police. Discuss.

I'm here to catch the diddler on the roof.