The Syndicate

I'm not a huge fan of silencers either, but I don't fault hosts for throwing them in there once in a while. If the game is meant to be classically constructed, there are only a handful of other standard mafia-aligned power roles commonly employed (i.e. roleblocker, role cop, godfather, strongman). A silencer just adds a little spice and diversity.

I do agree though that it's not great to prevent someone from talking in a game designed around talking.

In fact I prefer to disallow silencers from targeting any player twice period.

Yes I can agree with silencing being a no-double-target role.

I think anything that significantly hampers the civilian control over the lynch is a problem. I think anything that significantly hampers the mafia control over their night kills is a problem. Those are the fundamental means by which each faction progresses toward their win conditions, and screwing with them more than a little bit is not something I'm ever keen on as a host. Others differ, that's fine, it's a free planet.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Wed Nov 15, 2017 2:11 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Wed Nov 15, 2017 12:51 pm If there aren't protective/blocking roles then I don't think there's even a reason to implement a rule against double-targeting. I think that's something that has just become typical or standard here over the years. There are sites that never have that rule. RYM rarely had it.

It could make a watcher/tracker, or a roleblocker overpowered. They could all just plant themselves on a particular player and reap the results of whatever occurs.

Roleblocker agreed. Watcher/tracker meh. They have no unique insight about the value of targeting any single player, and if they do catch someone red-handed once by repeat targeting then they guarantee that their max utility is getting one catch -- something they're supposed to aspire to anyway with those roles. I think that'd be a silly strategic decision for any investigative role.

Kylemii wrote: ↑Wed Nov 15, 2017 2:06 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Wed Nov 15, 2017 12:33 pm Spacedaisy protects kylemii
Spacedaisy protects Kylemii

Awww thanks

Yeah that's an error. I one of those should be someone else. I can't remember.

If there aren't protective/blocking roles then I don't think there's even a reason to implement a rule against double-targeting. I think that's something that has just become typical or standard here over the years. There are sites that never have that rule. RYM rarely had it.

It occurs to me that we haven't posted the actions, though they may be known now.

Day 1

DrWilgy lynched

Night 1

dunya watches Spacedaisy
Spacedaisy protects Long Con
SpankGangsta kills Long Con (failed)

Day 2

MovingPictures07 lynched

Night 2

dunya watches speedchuck
Spacedaisy protects kylemii
speedchuck kills Long Con

Day 3

Quin lynched

Night 3

dunya watches sig
Spacedaisy protects Kylemii
speedchuck kills dunya

Day 4

No lynch

Night 4

speedchuck kills Spacedaisy

Day 5

colonialbob lynched

Night 5

sig killed

End game

The only reason I think a "no double targeting" rule has any value is to prevent protective roles from completely dictating mafia kill decisions (to permanently protect a single player, for example). I think that problem persists in a lesser form if the mafia team cannot double target between members.

I agree with that ruling. If the entire mafia team isn't allowed to double-target (between differing members) with their night kills, then the purpose of the double-targeting rule is wasted. Otherwise you get this:

N1: Mafia kills Long Con (fail, protected)
N2: Neither mafia nor doctor can target Long Con
N3: Mafia can now target Long Con, but so can the doctor

No thanks.

Nobody singlehandedly lost this game. There were numerous factors which contributed to the end result:

~ The mafia team was active throughout (if considering Jack), and an active mafia team is by default more difficult to solve than an inactive mafia team.

~ The total civilian effort was fantastic through 90% of Day 1 and then it fell off of a cliff. The DrWilgy lynch was really bad from my perspective, and it was an unfortunate way to end one of the most active Day 1s we've ever had in a heist game here. It seemed like a great deal of hard work was forgotten at the last minute and the easiest lynch available (the guy being weird) was selected instead of one informed by the discussion.

~ From Days 2 through 5, the game slowed significantly. Indeed, nearly half of the posts in this game thread occurred on Day 1 -- let that sink in. It is of course understandable that some folks had things going on in real life and that's perfectly fine. The entire civilian faction just shut down though, and it allowed speedchuck and later Jack to simply take over the game. They became essentially unlynchable because they were the most influential voices in the thread. Even if they were suspected they weren't getting lynched, and I think they were both pretty comfortable. A comfortable mafia team is rarely going to lose.

~ The no lynch at 5 vs 2 was the worst-possible strategic move for the civilians when it occurred. Any lynch available, even of a civilian, would have been better in that situation.

~ At 4 vs 2, a no lynch actually would have made sense. Inactivity and a lack of team cohesion prevented it though, and left the door open for the endgame shenanigan vote switches.

I don't mean for this to be critical of anyone. Shit happens. Civilians grow with every loss.

Kylemii wrote: ↑Wed Nov 01, 2017 6:03 pm

MovingPictures07 wrote: ↑Wed Nov 01, 2017 5:57 pm

Kylemii wrote: ↑Wed Nov 01, 2017 5:55 pm definitely not cool with the Wilgy train, what's this about?

Why aren't you cool with it?

a sudden surge of "lynch the guy who talks weird" after all the discussion we've had today? how could anyone be cool with that

Best civilian post in the game

The 5 vs 2 no lynch was enough to inspire me to lay out all my present civilian philosophy in a video presentation.

That's twice now Cap'n Sloonbeard has been thwarted by mutineers.

SQUAAAWWWK walk the plank walk the plank scurvy landlubbers

Day 4 poll:

SQUAAAWWWK walk the plank walk the plank

Or don't.

Nobody was lynched.

SQUAAAWWWK woman overboard woman overboard
DAY 4 WILL LAST 48 HOURS.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue Nov 07, 2017 8:12 pm If he be the evildoer ye all seek, I've got no reason not to feed him to the sharks. Let's see what ye all came up with then...

SQUAAAWWWK feed 'em to the sharks feed 'em to the sharks hoist the sales walk the plank filthy scab filthy scab

speedchuck wrote: ↑Mon Nov 06, 2017 11:20 am MP is still on the poll. I reckon we should lynch him again.

SQUAAAWWWK fix the poll fix the poll walk the plank hoist the sails scandalous scandalous

SQUAAAWWWK walk the plank walk the plank!

MovingPictures07 has been lynched. He was:


Night 2 begins and will last 24 hours.

sig wrote: ↑Sat Nov 04, 2017 2:33 pmthen have a date so I'll be in and out all day

SQUAAAWWWK scandalous scandalous scandalous

Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu Nov 02, 2017 7:00 pm Play nice, lads, and make sure you put a filthy scab in the water at the end of the day! Arr!

SQUAAAWWWK filthy scab filthy scab walk the plank

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Tue Oct 31, 2017 9:30 am When does the poll lock? I'm not seeing a time here.

SQUAAAWWWK when does the poll lock when does the poll lock

Sloonei wrote: ↑Mon Oct 30, 2017 2:55 pmThe deadline for Day 1 will be 6 PM EST on Wednesday, the 1st. Remember that all votes must be cast in the poll to officially count.

SQUAAAWWWK deadline at 6 deadline at 6 hoist the sails walk the plank

Sloonei wrote: ↑Mon Oct 30, 2017 2:55 pmSo hoist the sails and get to work, sing a shanty and keep one good eye out for any shady dealings that go on on me ship. Shadier than the usual, I mean. Yarr.

SQUAAAWWWK hoist the sails walk the plank

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sun Oct 29, 2017 2:17 pmThose who be deemed guilty shall walk the plank. Arrr!

SQUAAAWWWK walk the plank walk the plank