The Syndicate

The day I was lynched, given my -2 vote advantage, I only needed one more person to move from me to Tranq to force a tie and [maybe] survive. Tranq gets mislynched, and then the civilians don't have the necessary numbers to lynch me unless they work with the Master team. They know they can't though, or they lose by default anyway -- the Masters outnumber them as soon as I'm dead.

The Master team can't lynch me alone either, or at best they can tie -- but civilian intervention keeps me alive. The Master team can't night kill me, because both of my survivals are still in tact. My -2 vote advantage then becomes insurmountable within one cycle, and I win.

I had a plan, and I had a way to victory. That's why I kept going so hard, in addition to just trying to respect the "Champion" in the title of the game. As it happened, Sloonei getting shot hurt my chances. Had that not happened, I would have been able to enact the same plot the day I was lynched instead of a day later.

nutella wrote: ↑Mon Mar 23, 2020 10:34 pmjay found who it was

I went 0 for 7

Epignosis wrote: ↑Mon Mar 23, 2020 10:34 pm If you don't know, I did steal Dyslexicon's role in chat with Dom's BTSC, which gave me the leverage I had late gate. I also discussed juliets being the Monitor and suggested he talk with her next (I think I did that anyway).

Still had to lie about the role a little.

The Sabie Incident was remarkable. Night 2:

"sabie is at risk of being shot. We'll need to swap her with someone unlikely to draw any attention from night kills. Michelle seems like a good choice. She is under the radar without being a major suspect. Only Turnip Head seems to suspect her much. So unless TH is exactly a vigilante and decides to kill exactly Michelle exactly tonight, we're okay."

I'd like to claim an assist for mislynching three people via pure survivalism

Good game gang. Well played other baddos and Tranq! Thanks for a memorable GOC, Black Con.

My gravestone will be marked by a heroic statue. He gave his life for the greater good. He gave himself to cruel death so that we may prosper. Bless JaggedJimmyJay.

I really hope this doesn't lose the game. The numbers are ambiguous.

He should be lynched today. Seems unlikely if everyone is just frozen on me in a state of terror. Take it with you when your terror turns to despair.

I've made my suspects clear. I don't see many permutations of this game where Tranq is a civilian. I think he is a more likely Master teammate of Epi or Tony than they are of each other.

Michelle wrote: ↑Thu Mar 19, 2020 11:20 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu Mar 19, 2020 11:17 pm

Epignosis wrote: ↑Sat Mar 14, 2020 7:59 pm

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Sat Mar 14, 2020 7:45 pm Epi, is Ted a baddie?

I'd lynch him.

Closest thing to an Epi read on ted in the last four phases

that is not a read, is a killing intent

"Closest thing" to a read. I have no idea what Epi's suspicion of ted is.

Epignosis wrote: ↑Thu Mar 19, 2020 11:19 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu Mar 19, 2020 11:17 pm

Epignosis wrote: ↑Sat Mar 14, 2020 7:59 pm

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Sat Mar 14, 2020 7:45 pm Epi, is Ted a baddie?

I'd lynch him.

Closest thing to an Epi read on ted in the last four phases

What does it mean Basil?

That you're bad and pretending to do something at the last minute of a day that has been dominated by my execution

Michelle wrote: ↑Thu Mar 19, 2020 11:17 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu Mar 19, 2020 11:11 pm Y'all are going to have to make a decision. Michelle, what's your take? juliets, what's your take? Let's go.

I can't face Jack endgame if I don't follow his read he spent more than a day on. If he had evidence, this is much more important to check.

^ genuine

Epignosis wrote: ↑Sat Mar 14, 2020 7:59 pm

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Sat Mar 14, 2020 7:45 pm Epi, is Ted a baddie?

I'd lynch him.

Closest thing to an Epi read on ted in the last four phases

Y'all are going to have to make a decision. Michelle, what's your take? juliets, what's your take? Let's go.

[mention]TonyStarkPrime[/mention] what do you think of a ted lynch? Answer quickly.

Epignosis wrote: ↑Thu Mar 19, 2020 11:07 pm You called him good. I don't believe you are good.

I'm gonna need a reason that isn't contingent upon me.

juliets wrote: ↑Thu Mar 19, 2020 11:07 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu Mar 19, 2020 11:02 pm @juliets I think you're wrong on at least one of Epi/Tranq, and both would be of zero surprise to me.

I know. I'm trying to think about it but I'm falling asleep. I can't decide whether Epi's apathy is AI or not. I don't remember him being this disinterested in a game.

Consider what this day phase has been so far, and what that implies about someone being apathetic.

I said earlier: the mafia have had the easiest Day 8 of their lives.

Epignosis wrote: ↑Thu Mar 19, 2020 11:05 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu Mar 19, 2020 11:04 pm I am a dick.

It's one of my surest civilian tells.

Want to lynch ted with me?

Why ted?

At least an outside chance the game is lost pending independent win condition and night kill selection. Tots and pears, gang. I have little else to give you at this point.

I don't think there's likely to be a vote exodus necessary to lynch someone else. So, if I am a dead man walking, your job is to find the bad guys starting immediately. Remove me from the pool. I'm dead, I'm gone, I'm good. Go.

I am a dick.

It's one of my surest civilian tells.

[mention]juliets[/mention] I think you're wrong on at least one of Epi/Tranq, and both would be of zero surprise to me.

Epignosis wrote: ↑Thu Mar 19, 2020 10:59 pm I'm a fucking civilian you dick.

don't look like one to me

Someone tell me any Epignosis read that isn't "JJJ bad"

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Thu Mar 19, 2020 10:47 pmto be completely honest the colors seem pretty random given the statements above them

They reflect degrees of confidence in the things I had to say. speedchuck may not have a sterling review, for example, but that emotional appeal means a lot to me.

juliets wrote: ↑Thu Mar 19, 2020 10:19 pm Can you expand on your TSP read?

He fits with Sloonei and Sloonei fits with him

The Mac interaction isn't quite like that. Something's gotta give. I struggle to see a Master team that isn't two of these three people: Epignosis, Tony, Tranq

Epignosis
Doesn't look like a civilian
BTSC theory for civilian role
Can fit with both teams
Would lynch

juliets
Looks like a civilian
Not great fit for Anti-Monitors
Can fit with the Masters in theory; I don't buy it
Would not lynch

Michelle
Looks similar to a civilian
Mechanical clearance from Anti-Monitors
Not great fit with Masters
Would not lynch

speedchuck
Looks like a civilian via emotional appeal
Can fit with both teams
Would not lynch

tedxtr
Looks like a civilian
Mediocre fit with Anti-Monitors
Mediocre fit with Masters
Need convincing

TonyStarkPrime
Looks like a civilian
Doesn't fit well with Anti-Monitors
Fits well with Masters
Would lynch

Tranq
Doesn't look like a civilian
Doesn't fit well with Anti-Monitors
Fits well with Masters
Would lynch

Epignosis wrote: ↑Thu Mar 19, 2020 9:55 pm Pick one person. Who should die today instead of you?

Tranq

juliets wrote: ↑Thu Mar 19, 2020 9:48 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu Mar 19, 2020 9:39 pm @juliets remind me why you like Tranq or direct me to the relevant posts you've already made. Please don't spend a ton of time answering this. Give me the gist.

I liked his scum reads Days 7 and 8, he had the same thought I did about Jack having maybe tracked you to a kill, he thought Sloonei was bad when almost no one was looking at him, and he nailed the description of my game. Also, he hasn't been heavily involved and my memory, corroborated by SVS, is that he's much more involved as scum.

lots of linki

I don't think his suspicion of Sloonei is worth anything. My review -- He didn't say anything about Sloonei at all until Day 6, and by that point I don't think it was unpopular to call Sloonei a suspect. Tranq didn't pursue it with any fervor. He's been too busy planting himself on me. I also don't think his read on you means much of anything. It's not as though he is treading dangerous water with that. It's safe.

I have never seen a "heavily involved" Tranq in my life.

Epignosis wrote: ↑Thu Mar 19, 2020 9:42 pm I thought juliets was a civilian and could do no wrong.

I'm asking for her opinion on a player I suspect. Her opinion may influence my own.

Your posts have been garbage today.

[mention]juliets[/mention] remind me why you like Tranq or direct me to the relevant posts you've already made. Please don't spend a ton of time answering this. Give me the gist.

Epignosis wrote: ↑Thu Mar 19, 2020 9:37 pm You've accused everyone of being bad at one point or another.

You haven't the faintest idea what I have said or done. That's clear.

Michelle wrote: ↑Thu Mar 19, 2020 9:32 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu Mar 19, 2020 9:21 pm

Epignosis wrote: ↑Thu Mar 19, 2020 9:20 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu Mar 19, 2020 9:16 pm Folks want to clear this guy all game long based on BTSC when a janitor exists, and we deserve what we get.

Who is "this guy?"

Epignosis

you didn't read my posts. I cleared him based on the way Sloonei talked about him and his presence in the lynch d4 level.
Do you think I am wrong? It's just logic, not mafia science but looks solid.

I can understand why you might like him on the basis of Sloonei's comments. That was my initial take. Consider Epignosis's comments on Sloonei though. I hated that review.

Remind me what you like about his Day 4.

Epignosis wrote: ↑Thu Mar 19, 2020 9:34 pm It applies to all of it. You are conducting speculation that I know to be false. I know my role. You are stirring up shit. I was using a well-known laconic phrase (Google it).

I am responding to speculation that I know to be questionable. I have been saying this about you for days now. Days and days. You have no idea what the hell I have posted. You're bad.

Epignosis wrote: ↑Thu Mar 19, 2020 9:30 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu Mar 19, 2020 9:30 pm

Epignosis wrote: ↑Thu Mar 19, 2020 9:27 pmIf.

Was Dizzy not?

Was Dizzy not what?

A civilian. Or does your "if" refer to some other component of what I said?

Epignosis wrote: ↑Thu Mar 19, 2020 9:27 pmIf.

Was Dizzy not?

Michelle wrote: ↑Thu Mar 19, 2020 9:21 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu Mar 19, 2020 9:16 pm Folks want to clear this guy all game long based on BTSC when a janitor exists, and we deserve what we get.

The janitor killed only Dizzy. He can be town or 3rd. I "suspect" him as villager.

How do you explain the double deaths from some nights?

That's what I mean. If Dizzy was town, the Master team knew his role and nobody else did. So they could comfortably claim it in BTSC with Dom.

The only double death I can speak to is the one Turnip Head described -- trying to kill you and hitting sabie instead.

Epignosis wrote: ↑Thu Mar 19, 2020 9:20 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu Mar 19, 2020 9:16 pm Folks want to clear this guy all game long based on BTSC when a janitor exists, and we deserve what we get.

Who is "this guy?"

Epignosis

I gotta get back to my coursework. I'll be around in a bit

Michelle wrote: ↑Thu Mar 19, 2020 9:16 pm If I am allowed to post a link to an outside forum I will post a recent town Ted game.

This has never been an issue before. [mention]Long Con[/mention]

Folks want to clear this guy all game long based on BTSC when a janitor exists, and we deserve what we get.

Epignosis wrote: ↑Thu Mar 19, 2020 9:12 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu Mar 19, 2020 9:10 pm

Epignosis wrote: ↑Thu Mar 19, 2020 9:07 pm I buried Radishes and I buried MacDougall. Deal with it Jimmayy.

You didn't bury MacDougall. Horseshit. You were the worst-looking Player-on-Mac review I did.

Who didn't bury Radishes?

I tied Mac up. No, I didn't use the vote tag, which is why your lazy ass "I'm going to ISO everyone" failed to see it. I tied Mac up and could've easily gone the other way if I meant to. You are so busy you're lazy.

I don't give a shit about your vote. We've talking about votes all game long. I know you voted for Mac. That means fuck all right now. Your words were shit. You didn't even read what I just shared with you.

Epignosis wrote: ↑Thu Mar 19, 2020 9:07 pm I buried Radishes and I buried MacDougall. Deal with it Jimmayy.

You didn't bury MacDougall. Horseshit. You were the worst-looking Player-on-Mac review I did.

Who didn't bury Radishes?

Meaningless appeals to consistency and "you trusted me before in that other post!" are bad.

Check the other direction, boss