The Syndicate

Do either of you have any desire to make any sort of case against me?

Which makes less sense: Long Con’s self-vote, or Tony’s roleclaim?

Tony’s “everybody tell me your character” approach does line up pretty well with speedchuck’s role.

At some point I’ll look around for evidence of that mikey target.

Tony has claimed other abilities.

My character is the guy whose name looks like a typo, for what it’s worth.

[mention]TonyStarkPrime[/mention] wanna tell us everything you can about your role now?

Long Con wrote: ↑Sat Apr 11, 2020 12:12 pm Day 1 I forgot to use my ability because I'm used to using abilities at night. Day 2 I targeted ts account, and I was able to target a player at night, and be told if they’re an assassin character or not. Day 3 I targeted Tony to verify the truth of his claim, and I got nothing from it.

I should stop asking questions.

I struggle with the claim that you “got nothing” from Tony’s role. Surely you’d still get something, even if he was bad. “Getting nothing” implies he’s vanilla.

Long Con wrote: ↑Sat Apr 11, 2020 12:08 pm Desmond Miles: each day, beginning on Day 1, I can target a player and use a nerfed version of their ability the following phase (results may vary).

I see.
What has Desmond done?

Long Con wrote: ↑Sat Apr 11, 2020 12:06 pm Ok, well then my "spirit vote" is on Tony. His role claim is a lie. I'm Desmond, and I'm Civ, and there's no way in hell he wouldn't have tried to kill me last night if he had the chance. I assume he tried to target someone else with his power (likely to kill Desmond if you can find him). He was trying to draw me out so he'd know who to target.

Sloonei, I'm town, and voting Tony is the way for us to win the game.

What does Desmond do?

I guess we can massclaim now. It’s gonna happen one way or another.

My ability is somewhat similar to Mac’s, but without the kill. Every other night I can “climb a tree”, which makes me unable to be targeted by anyone else who can’t climb trees.

I’m not voting yet because it’s lylo, but my vote is beginning the day in spirit on Long Con.

Oh jeez

What’s the deal with Tony? @gods

Can anyone who hasn’t shared a Team of 3 please do so? I’d like us all to be able to compare our results.

Funnygurl555 wrote: ↑Thu Apr 09, 2020 9:39 pm speed's biggest scum reads were turnip and lc, ftr.

Argument against speed here is that he's the player who's paid the least attention to the game, but he could very well have been 2 for 2. Does that happen naturally?

Long Con wrote: ↑Thu Apr 09, 2020 9:00 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu Apr 09, 2020 8:26 pm Epignosis currently has three votes: Long Con, speedchuck, and ts account.

His teammates want this day to be over more than the civilians do.

If you're afraid of a sudden hammer move, I can change the vote.

That is not what I’m saying.

Long Con never needed to vote for himself. He'd already given leetic a town read, so he couldn't justify a vote there. But leetic pushed hard for ted to be lynched that same day, and LC never really commented on that case. It would have been a far more sensible move, regardless of his alignment, to vote alongside his prominent town read who was being lynched, rather than to plop down a self-vote to tie himself with his prominent town read. A ted vote on Day 1 would have made it a 4-4 tie between ted and leetic, rather than Long Con and leetic. That move makes no sense unless he expects to survive, and even if that is the case then he is allowing leetic to be lynched after having spent a considerable amount of time and effort producing a town read on him.

Epignosis currently has three votes: Long Con, speedchuck, and ts account.

His teammates want this day to be over more than the civilians do.

funnygurl is the only permanent member of the roster I can fully remove from the POE. If she's bad she deserves to win.

Mikey is hanging on in the POE by a slim thread. My best efforts to paint him as bad rely on too many hypotheticals falling into place.

Tony's role claim is weird, but his insistence on it today went beyond the realm of anything I'd expect from a mafioso who doesn't need to do anything at lylo.

The best argument for Long Con is still his Day 1 vote, but that was weird in every way. Turnip Head didn't flinch at it, and with the POE where it is now, and with the roles we've seen, I do not have a hard time imagining there was a convoluted gambit in play there. Maybe Turnip Head didn't flinch because he knew what was really going on.

speedchuck has no compelling argument to be town.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu Apr 09, 2020 7:35 pm

ts account wrote: ↑Thu Apr 09, 2020 7:34 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu Apr 09, 2020 7:33 pm Who gives a crap?

...Well, I do.

Hiding behind that cowardice only serves to make you look worse than you need to look.

My guess:

Epignosis
speedchuck
Long Con

I could be wrong. No kidding. Any guess "could be" wrong. One has to try. You're about to lose nutella and I, and I want to know where you are before I leave.

This would be my exact guess as of this moment.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu Apr 09, 2020 6:32 pm We could consider sending him to the great beyond though. I am open to it. We've used 51 of our 72 hours. I want to hear from everyone though:

Do you think we would benefit from a 24 hour break to facilitate cooling down, thinking clearly, and revving up for Day 4? Or No?

Remember that nutella and I are gone.

We get a 24 hour break regardless of when we hammer.

Funnygurl555 wrote: ↑Thu Apr 09, 2020 6:27 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu Apr 09, 2020 6:23 pm

Funnygurl555 wrote: ↑Thu Apr 09, 2020 6:21 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu Apr 09, 2020 6:17 pm We have two players who weren’t in the game for two days and now are here for one phase only after passing me a golden apple that shoots people. Tony can have a weird role.

did you eat the apple

Nope. I fired a bullet from it.

what happened afterwards? do you still have it?

I have relinquished the apple.

Funnygurl555 wrote: ↑Thu Apr 09, 2020 6:21 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu Apr 09, 2020 6:17 pm We have two players who weren’t in the game for two days and now are here for one phase only after passing me a golden apple that shoots people. Tony can have a weird role.

did you eat the apple

Nope. I fired a bullet from it.

We have two players who weren’t in the game for two days and now are here for one phase only after passing me a golden apple that shoots people. Tony can have a weird role.

speedchuck wrote: ↑Thu Apr 09, 2020 6:07 pm [VOTE: Epi] aubergine I think we have like an hour left unless I miscounted days

We have another day

oh hm

speedchuck wrote: ↑Thu Apr 09, 2020 5:35 pm

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Thu Apr 09, 2020 5:33 pm

speedchuck wrote: ↑Thu Apr 09, 2020 5:32 pm

Funnygurl555 wrote: ↑Thu Apr 09, 2020 5:30 pm

speedchuck wrote: ↑Thu Apr 09, 2020 5:29 pm

Funnygurl555 wrote: ↑Thu Apr 09, 2020 5:28 pm

ts account wrote: ↑Thu Apr 09, 2020 5:27 pm

...I just said that.

oh oops

hahahahaha

Isn't that usually a 3P role though?

nah. it'd be a mechanic that incentivizes town to hide their roles

So a scumrole.

Yeah that would make a lot more sense.

alignments are distributed randomly to roles.

Are they?

Yes

Maybe nanook could just get in here and tell us who's mafia.

Turnip Head wrote: ↑Thu Apr 02, 2020 6:53 pm This kind of defeatism always ends in a civilian lynch

Turnip Head on Long Con as the clock ticked away with Long Con tied for the lead Day 1.

Day 1 poll: ugh

Could there be soup involved in all of this?

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Thu Apr 09, 2020 5:12 pm

ts account wrote: ↑Tue Apr 07, 2020 11:40 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue Apr 07, 2020 11:37 pm What if he wasn't confident enough in any of his reads to justify killing someone?

That should not be a real thought. A vigshot is simply a public cop check. It is always beneficial to use it if one is given to you (and funnygurl is right in her post, that night 1 seems more optimal to use it than night 2, if macdougall was indeed given the option).

what

Tony's entire presence here runs contrary to so much else that I almost have to believe him.

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Thu Apr 09, 2020 4:54 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu Apr 09, 2020 4:53 pm

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Thu Apr 09, 2020 4:49 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu Apr 09, 2020 4:45 pm

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Thu Apr 09, 2020 4:44 pm Confirm existence of.

At this point I think you're going to need to expand.

I’ve hinted to it. It’s underwhelming. As to your previous question, I’ll point out that Mac had a Vig shot that could only hit people with pirate ships, something which is currently looking to be very limited (and thus far solely town).

but if mac was killed on a night that he also killed then we know at least one mafia member must have a ship.

trust me i did too much research into this.

Yes and I maintain this didn’t happen.

Why?

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Thu Apr 09, 2020 4:49 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu Apr 09, 2020 4:45 pm

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Thu Apr 09, 2020 4:44 pm Confirm existence of.

At this point I think you're going to need to expand.

I’ve hinted to it. It’s underwhelming. As to your previous question, I’ll point out that Mac had a Vig shot that could only hit people with pirate ships, something which is currently looking to be very limited (and thus far solely town).

but if mac was killed on a night that he also killed then we know at least one mafia member must have a ship.

trust me i did too much research into this.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu Apr 09, 2020 4:45 pm Without actually claiming your roles, I have a general question:

Does anyone else out there have a role that made them question how it can even make mechanical sense -- i.e. even using it would potentially screw you?

I have a role that makes sense to me.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu Apr 09, 2020 4:38 pm Someone tell me how Tony's claimed role makes any sense whatsoever for a civilian if Desmond is also a civilian -- especially in a 9 vs. 4 game

He has secondary abilities that provide him some utility in the event that he chooses not to kill Desmond.

Why does mafia tony make this convoluted claim?

Funnygurl555 wrote: ↑Thu Apr 09, 2020 4:36 pm

ts account wrote: ↑Thu Apr 09, 2020 4:34 pm Note that, if Desmond is town, wolves achieve parity.

you're gonna have to explain this one man

Tony kills civilian Desmond + Mafia team kill = Game over

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Thu Apr 09, 2020 4:25 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu Apr 09, 2020 4:25 pm "I have an unhealthy amount of trust in life" seems odd coming from the guy who suspects the player with the most verifiable claim in the game right now.

in Mikey

lol

why?

"I have an unhealthy amount of trust in life" seems odd coming from the guy who suspects the player with the most verifiable claim in the game right now.

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Thu Apr 09, 2020 4:19 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu Apr 09, 2020 4:17 pm

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Thu Apr 09, 2020 4:13 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu Apr 09, 2020 4:12 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu Apr 09, 2020 4:09 pm Might Tony be telling the truth?

If he is then Long Con is mafia and the game is over.

explain

why is funnygurl still in your poe?

JJJ's post says that if its not me then it's long con. I don't think it's Long Con. Therefore, it must be someone else. I think funnygurl has been wholly unbelievable.

I'm willing to accept that it's Long Con in place of Speed. I might be wrong and it's both of them. Unsure.

Why can't it be long con? Why isn't ts account named in this post?

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu Apr 09, 2020 4:15 pm

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Thu Apr 09, 2020 4:13 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu Apr 09, 2020 4:12 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu Apr 09, 2020 4:09 pm Might Tony be telling the truth?

If he is then Long Con is mafia and the game is over.

explain

POE

Not Sloonei
Not Funnygurl
Not ts account*
~Not Tony~

Those are the civilians.

*Open to counterarguments still. At face value I think he looks leagues better than Long Con.

Why not ts account?

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Thu Apr 09, 2020 4:13 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu Apr 09, 2020 4:12 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu Apr 09, 2020 4:09 pm Might Tony be telling the truth?

If he is then Long Con is mafia and the game is over.

explain

why is funnygurl still in your poe?

Might Tony be telling the truth?

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Thu Apr 09, 2020 4:06 pm @Jay
I can choose to kill a certain character on any odd night. If I'm scum, I look at the role cards at my team and then I either get more favorable numbers night 1 or I don't vig my mafia teammate. And I definitely wouldn't care about who I was killing.

Do you have any abilities that don't involve killing this dude?

Funnygurl555 wrote: ↑Thu Apr 09, 2020 3:59 pm ok i get my confusion and i don't know why speedchuck would choose to selectively bus only turnip head so hard. there would seem to be a lack of team cohesion since epi and turnip head chose to vote together

that would be the point, i think. speed is singular, unattached.

What is your character?

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Thu Apr 09, 2020 3:52 pm I have a name and I can kill that name at any odd night. I don't need to know who they are. I want claims from TS and Sloonei so I can pull the trigger if they don't claim the character I have

Does this mean you would consider pulling the trigger on me?

speedchuck wrote: ↑Mon Apr 06, 2020 6:52 pm My day 1 hunch is better than a dead wagon. [VOTE: Turnip Head] aubergine

My complaints about their empty posts are still valid, if less sure than before. And I haven't had time to evaluate the case on Radish. Work during a pandemic is awful.

speedchuck didn't talk about Turnip Head at all on Day 2 until this post.

Funnygurl555 wrote: ↑Thu Apr 09, 2020 3:38 pm oh great now i'm just confused

i just noticed speed had his vote on turnip for both eods, which for this community shouldn't mean much i guess, but it's throwing me for a loop.

Day 1 is especially meaningless there. No one else was voting for Turnip. Day 2 holds more sway, but... eh. It's not enough to toss speed out of the POE.